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To the point I think BS was trying to make, do we know when Club Championship will begin?

Not to pick an argument here BS, however we have had a club scene for the majority of players over the last few months, we should not ignore the grassroots which has men, woman and children out on our pitches almost every night

The good thing though is we made a few friends amongst the neutrals, and despite shipping 4-15 I don't think Pat Spillane will be having his annual rant. First half 9/10 as good a 35 mins as I've seen for a long time.

Second half 3/10. We ran out of steam, fresh legs obviously needed, changes too slow to happen. Why was Ryan Murray taken off, that was a very strange call as he was still going strong! Was that decision made before the game? Sweeney looked good, Conor Small too when introduced. But too little too late, so many were flagging at that point.

A lot of boys died out there with their boots on. Some great individual performances and if we manage to tweak our defensive policy a bit we can make proper progress next year.

Bring on the club scene now.

Come on MR2 don't let the truth or fact get in the way of a good story

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Sorry don't have latest list

2019?
It doesn't mention this 12 grand they are getting either.. you must have read it somewhere
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Still doesn't say anything about cash etc, a championship panel isn't anything new

Some would say the grammar is getting no better either

Hurson was poor today start of the second half he moved the ball at least 20 yards up the pitch on an Armagh free, unfortunately, like the Whitehill ref the game has to be all about him

refereeing is get worse and wiht all the money that gets spent on it too
Michael Mccann brilliant - Paddy Cunningham hurt?
couldn't fault the effort

That is correct MR2 from my recollection, however a player who has been dismissed during normal time cannot then play in extra time regardless of a new game or not

Happened to take a dander by a neighbouring club there earlier where Drumsurn were playing a friendly, Jesus lads who gave Brady the job as manager? The (bad) attitude of that man is running through them already, yapping and shouting at another. Going to be a long season for them and I would be shocked if they make it to August without Brady gone after a fall out

Not to put a dampener on yesterday lads, however bad form to see the new County PRO interfering with Clare taking a side-line cut, a County Official representing the CB should not be at this carry on, this would not be acceptable in a club game never mind at a crucial point in what was a pretty high profile day for the County.

On a better note, what a performance, the inferiority complex was left in the dressing room and with the positive attitude there could be a bright future for this crop of players

Ah sure here I can't understand why clubs can gets refs out

whatwillbwillb, only one one to solve this from your point of view, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem:

https://antrim.gaa.ie/news/are-you-interested-in-becoming-an-antrim-gaa-referee

Looking forward to seeing you start the revolution and make the county better through your contributions as a ref, oh and get new car shopping I am sure a new Land Rover won't be out of reach with all those expenses you'll be coining in

The thing I have always struggled with is the notion of a 'soft free', if a player is fouled by say a tug of the jersey and slowed down should this not be a free or is the ref being too picky? Does a man have to be half maimed for a free? As MR2 said al too often a ref is perceived to have caused an injury due to not being in control, therefore where is the line drawn?

@Dunsilly King, it is interesting that you have chose two SW referees for your example of evil v good, have they wronged you or your club or something?

The problem may lie with the assessors, I have seen two assessment reports for two different games from Ulster for one of our inter county refs, one was saying that he was letting too much go and to blow everything early and the latter was saying the tackle must be allowed to develop more............seems a no win situation

Very defensive of refs on this forum. I mentioned a couple of years back something i wasnt happy about a ref doing and got completely lambasted on here for it. whilst they should be owed the most credit for their participation in our games they shouldnt be exempt from any scrutiny. Players, managers and comittees get all forms of criticism on here and opinions are shared across the board, but this notion that you cant say anything to or about a ref has to stop. reminds me of the priests in the 70s where you darent of said a word about them....

Not my intention Rodger, my point was that there are comments and prejudices being made in respect of fitness etc, when it comes to the business end of the season it was always be a ref capable of staying with play who is appointed to the games, for the leagues etc and down the ages unfortunately I think it is a case of make the best of what we have.

When it comes to making comments on referees performances I also have no problem with these as long as they are fair and balanced, people will forget three 'easy' frees their free taker may have missed but remember the 'soft' free a ref gave to defeat them by a point, criticism is as valuable as praise as long as it is handed out in a fair, consistent and balanced manner

Ok, point taken, however there will be a lot of refs who will have been looking after themselves also

As you said cut MR2 a bit of slack, I have heard whilst he may not be blowing out of his a** he certainly talks out of it 

Indeed there would not be, therefore being a constant detractor and jumping on any criticism possible is hardly the way to retain and recruit more refs

You do make a good point however, players can be subbed and often are especially as games enter extra time in championship games, why don't we give a bit of credit to those refs still up with the game at those stages

Just said we would have no sporT without them ?