Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[Seaney]

If the cap fits.

Indeed you have shown yourself to be pathetic on several occasions.

[Seaney]

Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isn't tested at all, isn't administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely won't for most people.

You also can't sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

A perfectly rational statement. So will you and your family be front and centre if the vaccine is available before Christmas?

[Franko]

Yes.

[Seaney]

If that happens, hope it all works out for you all.  You are very brave.  (That's the opposite of coward isn't it - yes, yes it is).

[Angelo]

Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isn't tested at all, isn't administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely won't for most people.

You also can't sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To achieve the magical 'herd immunity', it's assumed that 60-70% of people will need to be either vaccinated or have the disease.

Those people will have to bite the bullet in order for everyone to return to some sort of normality.

You freely admit that Covid is unlikely to cause serious short term problems for you.

Given this, to lump the responsibility for achieving this societal figure onto others is a very cowardly stance to take.

That's great but you're making a whole lot of assumptions there.

Covid is unlikely to cause serious health problems to me, I have not caught it yet, I practice all the guidelines such as hand hygiene, mask wearing, social distancing etc.

I'm taking steps to diminish the chance of me catching and spreading the virus. I don't want to put a rushed vaccine that could have serious consequences into my body.

Like I said.

Like I said.

I'm taking measures to avoid catching and spreading the virus. I'm not going to voluntarily administer my body with something that could cause serious long term damage.

If you wish to take that chance then be my guest but I'm not going to.

It's a personal choice, you do what you feel best and I'll do what I feel is best for my own health.

If you want to do it then that's your prerogative but your assertion that I'm a coward because I don't want to jeopardise my own health is just ridiculous.

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If your way of doing that is to put something that could have serious consequences into your body then that's your choice. The leading company in the manufacturing race have acknowledged the vaccine may not even work. It just seems a bit naive that people are so trusting of billion dollar companies. There is huge financial incentive in the vaccine market and of being first to market. I'd be very concerned about the vaccine.

[Seaney]

In fairness it's easy to say any oul shite on these boards to claim the moral high ground, anyone who doesn't have any reservations are very naive.

[Franko]

If that happens, hope it all works out for you all.  You are very brave.  (That's the opposite of coward isn't it - yes, yes it is).

Good lad.  I'll let you know when it's ok to come out from behind the sofa.

[armaghniac]

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If a tested and effective vaccine is available and you do not take it then you are not doing your bit to not spread the virus.

[Chief]

Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isn't tested at all, isn't administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely won't for most people.

You also can't sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

That will be some comfort if your are left with no quality of life!

Undoubtedly not good enough but more comfort at least than if long Covid does the same thing...

[Chief]

Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isn't tested at all, isn't administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely won't for most people.

You also can't sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To not catch it, absent a vaccine, we will need to lockdown indefinitely or in a globally consistent way.

On the first, no thanks.

On the second, hardly likely.

Therefore when a vaccine is ready I'll be having it.

[Angelo]

I take all the necessary precautions in my daily life now, I wear a mask when in public, I wash my hands anytime I'm entering a premises or when I'm in shared spaces with people, I limit my contacts, I practice social distancing. I do my bit to ensure I don't get the virus and not spread it.

If a tested and effective vaccine is available and you do not take it then you are not doing your bit to not spread the virus.

All vaccines are tested, doesn't stop them from having fatal consequences and for me this is far more likely when it has been rushed through as this one has.

Pfizer has said they cannot guarantee effectiveness.

So your point is based on complete uncertainties. I haven't caught the virus yet, I hope to keep it that way by doing what I've been doing.

[Angelo]

Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isn't tested at all, isn't administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely won't for most people.

You also can't sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

Not the same. You may never catch the virus, so you may not be open to potential long term effects.

If you take the vaccine, you are open to potential long term effects.

To not catch it, absent a vaccine, we will need to lockdown indefinitely or in a globally consistent way.

On the first, no thanks.

On the second, hardly likely.

Therefore when a vaccine is ready I'll be having it.

That's your choice if that is what you want to do then that's fair enough.

[Seaney]

If that happens, hope it all works out for you all.  You are very brave.  (That's the opposite of coward isn't it - yes, yes it is).

Good lad.  I'll let you know when it's ok to come out from behind the sofa.

You are too kind, I never went behind it, don't get a nose bleed up on your moral high horse now!

[Seaney]

Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isn't tested at all, isn't administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely won't for most people.

You also can't sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

That will be some comfort if your are left with no quality of life!

Undoubtedly not good enough but more comfort at least than if long Covid does the same thing...

How long is it, its only been around a few months.

[Chief]

Lots of risks in life, crossing the road is dangerous don't you think?  Driving with ejits on the road is dangerous don't you think?  Not wanting to administer a new vaccine into one's body without knowing the long term effects is one of the more cautious approaches, you not think so?

You do understand that by refusing the vaccine, you leave yourself open to contracting a disease...

...without knowing the long term effects??

I fail to see how you are being cautious by going down this route.

You do understand by taking a rushed through vaccine, you leave yourself open to potential adverse reactions in later life, you are taking something without knowing the long term effects?

Just the same as you are by catching the disease.

Except the disease isn't tested at all, isn't administered in a controlled way or environment, and it cripples normal life in a way the vaccine likely won't for most people.

You also can't sue or seek legal redress from the disease. If the vaccine is a bad one in terms of side effects, you can at least seek some legal satisfaction via the courts.

Literally a no brainier...

That will be some comfort if your are left with no quality of life!

Undoubtedly not good enough but more comfort at least than if long Covid does the same thing...

How long is it, its only been around a few months.

To use the same criteria as your using for unknown effects of an undeveloped vaccine I'm going to take a punt and say 1,000,000 years