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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #990 on: September 12, 2021, 11:08:40 PM »
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.

Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.

Heaney Cassidy Barton : all 6 quality forwards.
That Derry team would have one at least two only for meeting a Down team in first round who won the all-ireland that year pulling up.

You don’t win an all-ireland without quality productive attackers. Dublin won last 6 on that basis . Tyrone’s forwards yesterday were all productive , to think that they took off mattie Donnelly one of the best footballers in ireland over past 10 years , and didn’t weaken . Much as people focus on Mayo , Tyrone were  superb yesterday , and they set the standard for the rest of us
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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #991 on: September 12, 2021, 11:15:49 PM »
Congratulations to Tyrone. Best team in Ireland. They won Ulster, the hardest Championship there is to win, they beat Kerry (again) and they beat last year's finalists and this year's favourites.

Judging from afar and confessing I might be missing all manner of stuff that would be known to Tyrone people themselves, I think Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher are due a huge amount of credit for this win. Mickey Harte's were big boots to fill and fill them they did. I know they had a few close squeaks in Ulster but nothing is easy in Ulster. Against Kerry and against Mayo Logan and Dooher out-generalled the opposition and well done to them.

As for Mayo, I see a lot of "where do Mayo go from here?" articles in the papers. Well, back into the pot for the 2022 Championship is the answer there. Where else can they go? Maybe some older players will retire, maybe some will carry on, maybe some will be dropped. Some newer players will be better than what went before, some will be worse, some will be about the same. Maybe there'll be a change on the sideline, maybe there won't. There's a long winter to figure all that out. The chief thing I'd be hoping is that crowds will be able to go to games again. The past two years have been a pain in the ass.

Finally, in the context of this thread, a tip of the cap to Seafóid for his erudite Procrustean reference, and to whichever Tyrone poster came up with the Tyronavirus. Top class work. Up Mayo.

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #992 on: September 12, 2021, 11:21:52 PM »
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.

As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
Agree totally. With rare exceptions, AI champions get there because they have better players, every Tyrone player that played yesterday and several others in the squad have an exceptional skill set . Much as I want to see Mayo get over the line, they still lack the depth of quality in the final third required to win AI. O’donoghue and Conroy will get up to the level required, but they will need more than that. Several Tyrone attackers provided creative attacking quality when it counted. Mayo football ethos emphasises athleticism over flair . No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent. Athleticism alone can get u over most teams but when u get to AIF where athleticism is a given in both teams, it’s going to take something special to win out. If Mayo want to persist with loading their attack with big athletes they’ll never get over the line. Mcshane and matty Donnelly have been exceptional footballers in past few years, but ultimately the additional attacking flair of McKenna , Canavan and a revitalised mccurry was required to get them the AI.

That’s some load of old codswallop !

Insightful intelligent response , I want Mayo to win an AI but Groundhog Day , not enough quality forwards. They need to address that or they’ll never win one

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #993 on: September 12, 2021, 11:25:42 PM »
To echo a point made earlier..   its amazing that Tyrone beat  Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.

In fairness , Mayo were poor enough yesterday.

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #994 on: September 12, 2021, 11:38:00 PM »
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.

As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.

As Sylvie observed,  you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers

Not so. Galway 98-01 were nearly as pure a footballing side as you'd get. Sure, they'd men that could mind themselves, but never cynical or robustly physical.

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #995 on: September 12, 2021, 11:55:54 PM »
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.

Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.

Heaney Cassidy Barton : all 6 quality forwards.
That Derry team would have one at least two only for meeting a Down team in first round who won the all-ireland that year pulling up.

You don’t win an all-ireland without quality productive attackers. Dublin won last 6 on that basis . Tyrone’s forwards yesterday were all productive , to think that they took off mattie Donnelly one of the best footballers in ireland over past 10 years , and didn’t weaken . Much as people focus on Mayo , Tyrone were  superb yesterday , and they set the standard for the rest of us
Derry's front six weren't six quality forwards by All-Ireland winning standards. Gormley was the only one who was All-Ireland standard as an all round forward including score taking.

Derry won because they had superior fitness and tactics to Cork, superior work rate, and a brilliant platform from midfield and half back.

Not because of their forwards.

The Cork team that day had superior forward class in Colin Corkery, Joe Kavanagh, Mick McCarthy and John O'Driscoll.

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #996 on: September 13, 2021, 12:12:23 AM »
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS.  Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.

Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
Bullshit. If he was a Dublin player under Jim Gavin he'd have dropped him. He's a great fielder but in all his years he's never worked on the other parts of his game.

He's actually unlucky he never had Jim Gavin as his manager. He wouldn't accept his poor football/shooting skills and he'd have made him work on them or he'd have dropped him from the panel.

How can a lad who's been playing inter county football for so many seasons gave such poor football skills
He sort of reminds me of someone who at underage had a massive physical advantage over everyone else but once they get to senior level the balance swings against them and they can get found out for lack of skill

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #997 on: September 13, 2021, 01:52:29 AM »
I just saw a clip of  that Donegal buck making gestures during the presentation ceremony yesterday

Lifetime ban from Croke Park would be a good start

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #998 on: September 13, 2021, 02:04:13 AM »
To echo a point made earlier..   its amazing that Tyrone beat  Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.

I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"

Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.
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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #999 on: September 13, 2021, 05:45:59 AM »
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.

As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.

As Sylvie observed,  you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers

Not so. Galway 98-01 were nearly as pure a footballing side as you'd get. Sure, they'd men that could mind themselves, but never cynical or robustly physical.
Maybe that was an exception
 There is a lot of violence in GF.
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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1000 on: September 13, 2021, 05:52:36 AM »
Horan should watch Groundhog day

https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4

I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1001 on: September 13, 2021, 07:01:37 AM »
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.

As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.

As Sylvie observed,  you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers

Very poor post

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1002 on: September 13, 2021, 07:17:28 AM »
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.

Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.

Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must’ve got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn’t score. Not prolific by any means.

In the final anyway

I think brolly got 0.2 in the final but he scored 0.5 in the semifinal v Dublin. Derry not only  had a balanced forward line but also had at least 2 great forwards on the bench in dermot mcnicholl and eamon burns. At that time short kickouts were unheard of so that’s why Derry had barton and heaney in the half forward line. Both of them could easily have played midfield on most county teams and were great ball winners from kickouts.

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1003 on: September 13, 2021, 07:39:41 AM »
Congrats to Tyrone on a great win. 

The big thing I'll take from the semi-final and final is that Tyrone won't beat themselves. 

That's a great start when discussing a team.  Stay cool and do what you can...no need to try the impossible. 

Be calm - over the two games this was best shown by Peter Harte who always looked comfortable and in the right place at the right time.  Not sure if that can be coached.


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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1004 on: September 13, 2021, 08:52:23 AM »
Well done Tyrone, Brilliant all year, best team won it outright.

No comment on Mayo.