AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain

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sid waddell

Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 11:08:40 PM
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No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.

Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.

Heaney Cassidy Barton : all 6 quality forwards.
That Derry team would have one at least two only for meeting a Down team in first round who won the all-ireland that year pulling up.

You don't win an all-ireland without quality productive attackers. Dublin won last 6 on that basis . Tyrone's forwards yesterday were all productive , to think that they took off mattie Donnelly one of the best footballers in ireland over past 10 years , and didn't weaken . Much as people focus on Mayo , Tyrone were  superb yesterday , and they set the standard for the rest of us
Derry's front six weren't six quality forwards by All-Ireland winning standards. Gormley was the only one who was All-Ireland standard as an all round forward including score taking.

Derry won because they had superior fitness and tactics to Cork, superior work rate, and a brilliant platform from midfield and half back.

Not because of their forwards.

The Cork team that day had superior forward class in Colin Corkery, Joe Kavanagh, Mick McCarthy and John O'Driscoll.

Gold

Quote from: Nanderson on September 11, 2021, 09:55:51 PM
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All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS.  Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.

Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
Bullshit. If he was a Dublin player under Jim Gavin he'd have dropped him. He's a great fielder but in all his years he's never worked on the other parts of his game.

He's actually unlucky he never had Jim Gavin as his manager. He wouldn't accept his poor football/shooting skills and he'd have made him work on them or he'd have dropped him from the panel.

How can a lad who's been playing inter county football for so many seasons gave such poor football skills
He sort of reminds me of someone who at underage had a massive physical advantage over everyone else but once they get to senior level the balance swings against them and they can get found out for lack of skill

Exactly
"Cheeky Charlie McKenna..."

whitey

I just saw a clip of  that Donegal buck making gestures during the presentation ceremony yesterday

Lifetime ban from Croke Park would be a good start

Never beat the deeler

Quote from: tyroneman on September 12, 2021, 10:53:20 PM
To echo a point made earlier..   its amazing that Tyrone beat  Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.

I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"

Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.
Hasta la victoria siempre

seafoid

Quote from: mouview on September 12, 2021, 11:38:00 PM
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.

As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.

As Sylvie observed,  you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers

Not so. Galway 98-01 were nearly as pure a footballing side as you'd get. Sure, they'd men that could mind themselves, but never cynical or robustly physical.
Maybe that was an exception
There is a lot of violence in GF.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Horan should watch Groundhog day

https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4

I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

tonto1888

Quote from: seafoid on September 12, 2021, 08:44:40 PM
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.

As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.

As Sylvie observed,  you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers

Very poor post

lenny

Quote from: BennyCake on September 12, 2021, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 12, 2021, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.

Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.

Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must've got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn't score. Not prolific by any means.

In the final anyway

I think brolly got 0.2 in the final but he scored 0.5 in the semifinal v Dublin. Derry not only  had a balanced forward line but also had at least 2 great forwards on the bench in dermot mcnicholl and eamon burns. At that time short kickouts were unheard of so that's why Derry had barton and heaney in the half forward line. Both of them could easily have played midfield on most county teams and were great ball winners from kickouts.

Ball Hopper

Congrats to Tyrone on a great win. 

The big thing I'll take from the semi-final and final is that Tyrone won't beat themselves. 

That's a great start when discussing a team.  Stay cool and do what you can...no need to try the impossible. 

Be calm - over the two games this was best shown by Peter Harte who always looked comfortable and in the right place at the right time.  Not sure if that can be coached.


TheGreatest

Well done Tyrone, Brilliant all year, best team won it outright.

No comment on Mayo.

Rudi

Some points from the game Saturday

Mullen not Rob Hennelly was at fault for McShanes goal.
Aidan O Se is too big & has zero mobility, S&C a major issue here.
Horans decision making during a game is poor, otherwise he is good, but can't think on his feet.
Mayo players should lose the tabloid craving image, even the daft pink boots.
Some of their supporters now look daft counting their chickens before they hatch, free coffee etc.
Left footed free taker from the right hand side of the pitch.
Need to get someone to work on their heads for an All Ireland final.


BennyCake

Quote from: lenny on September 13, 2021, 07:17:28 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 12, 2021, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 12, 2021, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.

Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.

Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must've got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn't score. Not prolific by any means.

In the final anyway

I think brolly got 0.2 in the final but he scored 0.5 in the semifinal v Dublin. Derry not only  had a balanced forward line but also had at least 2 great forwards on the bench in dermot mcnicholl and eamon burns. At that time short kickouts were unheard of so that's why Derry had barton and heaney in the half forward line. Both of them could easily have played midfield on most county teams and were great ball winners from kickouts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship

Estimator

Quote from: lenny on September 13, 2021, 07:17:28 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 12, 2021, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 12, 2021, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.

Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.

Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must've got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn't score. Not prolific by any means.

In the final anyway

I think brolly got 0.2 in the final but he scored 0.5 in the semifinal v Dublin. Derry not only  had a balanced forward line but also had at least 2 great forwards on the bench in dermot mcnicholl and eamon burns. At that time short kickouts were unheard of so that's why Derry had barton and heaney in the half forward line. Both of them could easily have played midfield on most county teams and were great ball winners from kickouts.

Brolly only scored 0-5 throughout the '93 C'ship - 0-3 v Monaghan (sub) 0-1 v Dublin and 0-1 v Cork. Cassidy was probably Derry's best forward in the Ulster Champ, but didn't really perform to the best of his ability in the AI series.

Back to the 2021 AI Final. Tyrone were just to good for a Mayo side that didn't take any of their goal chances. Even if they had, you could sense that Tyrone would still have come out on top. Logan/Dooher got the best of Horan.
Tyrone made subs at the right time and the right men were taken off. Mickey Harte's old rule of get a yellow card, get taken off has stopped. Mayo throwing a man on deep into stoppage time was bizarre, as was O'Donoghue opting for a point with the last free.Not much difference getting beat 5 or 6pts.
O'Shea wasn't at the races at all, won both throw-ins, but a passenger after that. Didn't seem match fit. At one point in the second half (around the Tyrone 21yd line, as Tyrone were trying to pass the ball out of defence) he pointed at a teammate to pick up his man who was running away (towards the Tyrone goal) from him and he was gonna pick up the Tyrone man who was just walking/jogging out in his general direction.

Tyrone have a few lads in the 30+ bracket. Plenty in the 25-27 bracket and the likes of Canavan in their early 20's.  Question is who gets dropped for McShane and Canavan starting next year?? Of the forwards, McKenna, McCurry, Donnelly, Meyler and Sludden are all there on merit. O'Neill might be under pressure to hang on to his place.
Ulster League Champions 2009

Taylor

I think Ball Hopper summed it up very well - Tyrone wont beat themselves.

We were much more composed throughout the game - especially in front of the posts.

Some of the Mayo shooting/decision making was a shambles.

Our midfield was immense as was Morgan, Harte & Myler.

Sludden made a fantastic save on the line which reminded me of the workrate Dublin forwards show.

Special mention to Logan & Dooher - they trusted the lads to play the game

phpearse

Thought Tyrone were so comfortable in possession. Each one of the full back line and half backs looked so composed with ball in hand, able to side step and glide past their opposite number. Never looked rattled at any stage in the game. Not sure what Meyler needs to do to get a MOTM award, thought he was outstanding again and player of the year for me. Always available for the pass and so hard to take the ball from. Great pass for the McShane goal and even better vision for Canavan's chance. Morgan after a blip at the start was excellent. A clear tactic to bomb the restarts down the middle and let them battle for it. I suppose when you have a weapon like that, why not use it. Scored with the free kicks and done all that was asked of him. Some pass to McKenna for McCurry's goal chance. Peter Harte probably had his best year in a Tyrone jersey and couldn't be happier for him. He takes some grief from supporters but the lad is quality and such a civil fella. Deserves all the praise he gets.

You can talk about attitude and tactics but the most pleasing thing for me was how good the players were in possession. The skill levels with the ball and some of the kick passing were top drawer. Was it McKernan that kicked the ball 50 yards to Hampsey from under the Hogan Stand side of the field? Hampsey didn't have to break stride to collect the pass. After the first 10 minutes and when Tyrone settled, you just didn't feel that they would loose that game. Even if Mayo had scored from the penalty, Tyrone you feel would have still pushed on.

Tyrone did have plenty of good breaks during the year but can't argue that they were not the best team in this year's championship. Some achievement from that buch of players. Well deserved.