Leinster Senior Football Championship 2021

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Baile Brigín 2

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But no other sport I know of tries to introduce competition by handicapping the best team...



Yes, but teams playing Dublin are severely handicapped by finances, home venue, etc.

Odd that the Dubs on Croke Park wasn't an issue when they were bad. Then it was simply a funding vehicle for your infrastructural improvements. This has always been the case yet Dublin have only achieved their potential properly recently. So there is more going on.

Ok, but there is an issue now!

You have difficulties with the organisation handicapping Dublin. But when the handicap works the other way - you see it as a sort of entitlement?

I don't think Leitrim having less funding than Dublin is a handicap. Its the reality of a population of 32k versus 1.4m. Football was Dublin's 3rd sport, hurling 5th. A push in the capital was needed and you were perfectly happy to take cheques written on the Hill. Don't bother complaining that Dublin got organised and fulfilled their potential



My argument is that every county that meets Dublin have the handicap of less funding and away matches. Why are the chasing bunch continuously handicapped?

Less funding is new and the money goes to games development in a county generally disinterested in Gaelic games. Dublin are made play in Croker to fund the entire association. Your club has something paid for by the Dubs fans.

But regardless Lille overcame a far bigger material gap than Kildare faced today. It can be done.

So you agree that there is a Handicap in place favouring Dublin football and you have no difficulty with Handicaps?

No. I believe by the nature of a county system you will see that some counties have natural advantages over others. Population being obvious. Some counties are too hilly and windswept for hurling. And so on.

What you are proposing is deliberately punishing success by limiting what a county can put on a field. And no other sport even considers that.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:36:02 PM

What you are proposing is deliberately punishing success by limiting what a county can put on a field. And no other sport even considers that.

My argument is that every county that meets Dublin have the handicap of less funding and away matches. Why are the chasing bunch continuously handicapped?





From the Bunker

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:36:02 PM


What you are proposing is deliberately punishing success by limiting what a county can put on a field. And no other sport even considers that.

I never proposed that! Never said that?

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2021, 11:40:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:36:02 PM

What you are proposing is deliberately punishing success by limiting what a county can put on a field. And no other sport even considers that.

My argument is that every county that meets Dublin have the handicap of less funding and away matches. Why are the chasing bunch continuously handicapped?
I don't think you understand what handicapping means, do you.


That is sport. Some sides are bigger than others. Lille didn't waahh waah. They got on with it and upped their game and closed a far bigger financial gap.

If you don't like the Dubs in Croker, stop taking funding at your club and county as you don't cover yourselves.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2021, 11:53:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:36:02 PM


What you are proposing is deliberately punishing success by limiting what a county can put on a field. And no other sport even considers that.

I never proposed that! Never said that?
You didn't propose splitting Dublin in two?

From the Bunker

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:56:40 PM
You didn't propose splitting Dublin in two?

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
I'm not totally in favour of the split idea. How do you deal with titles, Crests, Colours, venues. How do you deal with the split counties History?

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2021, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:56:40 PM
You didn't propose splitting Dublin in two?

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
I'm not totally in favour of the split idea. How do you deal with titles, Crests, Colours, venues. How do you deal with the split counties History?

But your objections are not sporting in nature, purely mechanical

From the Bunker

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 02, 2021, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2021, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:56:40 PM
You didn't propose splitting Dublin in two?

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
I'm not totally in favour of the split idea. How do you deal with titles, Crests, Colours, venues. How do you deal with the split counties History?

But your objections are not sporting in nature, purely mechanical

Elaborate

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2021, 12:05:49 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 02, 2021, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2021, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:56:40 PM
You didn't propose splitting Dublin in two?

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
I'm not totally in favour of the split idea. How do you deal with titles, Crests, Colours, venues. How do you deal with the split counties History?

But your objections are not sporting in nature, purely mechanical

Elaborate

Your issue seems to be the mechanics, not the idea

From the Bunker

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 02, 2021, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2021, 12:05:49 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 02, 2021, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2021, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2021, 11:56:40 PM
You didn't propose splitting Dublin in two?

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
I'm not totally in favour of the split idea. How do you deal with titles, Crests, Colours, venues. How do you deal with the split counties History?

But your objections are not sporting in nature, purely mechanical

Elaborate

Your issue seems to be the mechanics, not the idea

If Spitting offered more intercounty football to players missing out, at all age groups. I'm in favour. Especially where there is a large pool like Dublin. Where many very good players miss out all the way up.

Artificially creating a handicap causes problems. In the reverse the GAA family realise this the way they have treated Dublin as a special child the last 15 years.

Never beat the deeler

the discussions in here are more boring than the bloody championship. The same posters dancing around each other being totally disingenuous and trying to put words in each others mouths.
Questions being answered with questions. Deflection and false equivalences.

Congrats to Dublin on another title.
For those that suggest Mayo will beat Dublin based on current form, they mustn't be watching Mayo's current form!
If each played like their latest match, Mayo would be 15 points down at half time and maybe win the second half by a point
Hasta la victoria siempre

TheGreatest

Slow, lethargic, labored, sloppy, poor decision making, play like that again the Dubs are gone.

A bit better the second half but that form Mayo and getting a chomping at the bit to get at them.

Still Kerry's to lose. . . .

Jayop

Didn't want to make a new thread for this so sticking it in here because it could well be news for the 2121 Leinster Championship.

Did anyone here mention the news that Rob Kearney is making his GAA comeback for his club in Louth? You'd have to imagine if he has a few games at club level this autumn and is interested in committing to county ball he'd be a no brainer to call up. Would surely give the county a massive lift having such a legend (in another sport) lining out for them. Would bring a real element of professionalism to them and he looks fit as a fiddle.

Cobra

Leinster should invite Kerry to play in their championship next year. Make a go of it.

Rossfan

Louth and Antrim might be in "Connacht" next year if Congress votes in a certain proposal!
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM