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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« on: September 17, 2021, 01:25:51 PM »
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.

Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren’t scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won’t win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.

Mayo for a team with so many great individual defenders were opened up a lot, Tyrone missed plenty of easy chances. That 2nd goal was coming from the long kickout had been coming since early on and was a very obvious tactic that Horan had done nothing to negate. I listened to a good few podcasts during the build up and plenty from Mayo thought it needed to be a low scoring game for Mayo to win, conceding 2-14 is always going to make it nigh on impossible to win especially when you've got a half forward line and a full forward who barely contribute to the scoreboard. Even with Cillian O'Connor back next year I don't see Mayo winning it with Horan's tactics, its a definition of madness to keep making the same mistakes time and time again.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All stars 2021
« on: September 17, 2021, 11:09:33 AM »
Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny

Thats the worst team I've seen so far from anyone, 4 Kerry players and 2 from Mayo is comical.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 16, 2021, 12:30:30 PM »
Don't get why Donegal keep getting lauded, they'd plenty of talent but outside of the province they've beaten nobody of note. No semi final since 2014 and lost so many big games they've gone in as favourites under Bonner. I'm so surprised he's been kept on, no doubting there a very talented bunch.

As for Galway, I thought Joyce was given a 2 year term but nothing mentioned since Galways' exit so perhaps it was a 3 year term. So many players made themselves unavailable last year, interesting to see if that it happens again this year. Galway just a huge disappointment, should be doing better.
Until this year Tyrone had beaten “nobody of note” since 2008. That did not mean that they weren’t among the best counties in Ireland capable, with the rub of the green, of beating most of the others on a given day.
The games Donegal are playing against Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry are generally very tight. They are definitely in the same bracket IMO.

They definitely aren't, Tyrone prior to this year had got to a final in 2018 and beaten Donegal in what was affectively a quarter final that year too.

In recent years in the championship Donegal have beaten nobody and got knocked out of the championship by Tyrone twice, Mayo, Galway & Cavan.

Talent wise they've under performed.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 16, 2021, 09:54:16 AM »
Don't get why Donegal keep getting lauded, they'd plenty of talent but outside of the province they've beaten nobody of note. No semi final since 2014 and lost so many big games they've gone in as favourites under Bonner. I'm so surprised he's been kept on, no doubting there a very talented bunch.

As for Galway, I thought Joyce was given a 2 year term but nothing mentioned since Galways' exit so perhaps it was a 3 year term. So many players made themselves unavailable last year, interesting to see if that it happens again this year. Galway just a huge disappointment, should be doing better.


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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« on: September 15, 2021, 06:49:28 PM »
What do the Mayo posters think of Horan?

I think out of the 4 Finals where he's been in charge in 3 of them he's not come out of it looking too good.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All stars 2021
« on: September 15, 2021, 01:53:40 PM »
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.
Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him.

I thought P Clifford was very good until the Tyrone game.

Can you really give someone an All Star based on performances against Tipp & Cork.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All stars 2021
« on: September 15, 2021, 09:51:48 AM »
Lee Keegan would be my player of the year. Was mayo's best player v Tyrone, was sky motm v Dublin. Superb all round player.

Keegan was poor enough against Galway and didn't play particularly well against Dublin for the first 45 minutes either. He was excellent since though, he doesn't deserve to player of the year. What a player though one of Mayo's best players in the 7 finals including the replay; The best player I've seen for Mayo.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All stars 2021
« on: September 14, 2021, 12:11:40 PM »
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.
What did he score against Tyrone and Kerry? 2 points in each game? As much as I rate him and love watching him, that’s not a good enough return for an all star standard inside forward. He also messed up the goal chance against Tyrone, McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

Conroy got 0-3 against Galway, 0-3 against Dublin and 0-2 against Tyrone all from play.

McShane certainly has had a huge impact and can see why you'd mention him but apart from him I don't see anyone else in the running. Flynn is top class but he can't get one based on one good game against Dublin, some might say that's all Clifford did but his performance was spectacular against Tyrone and a level above Flynn's.

I don't see anyone else in the running.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All stars 2021
« on: September 14, 2021, 10:20:15 AM »
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
« on: September 13, 2021, 04:18:32 PM »
Paudie Clifford certainly shouldn't be getting an All Star for his performances against second rate opposition in Cork & Tipp, would be ridiculous.


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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« on: September 13, 2021, 12:10:04 PM »
The curse is nonsense but losing 11 finals in 30 years is the real curse and it weighs down heavily on everyone in Mayo, its not going to be easy to shake off. Think they've always taken something from losing to Dublin as they arguably the greatest team of all time but losing to Tyrone is different. There's no positives at all.


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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland final tickets thread
« on: September 13, 2021, 11:47:06 AM »
I've heard some say there was nearer 50,000 in there but there wasn't. Plenty of people with upper tier tickets went down to the lower tiers; Lots of space where I was in the Upper Cusack.

I know a good few fools who've no interest in football and would only go to finals manage to get in, feel sorry for genuine fans who didn't get in.

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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« on: September 13, 2021, 11:40:13 AM »
A few comments mentioning Tyrone players being better than people thought. I think a lot of this is down to management trust. In the past mccurry would have been off after 20 minutes against Kerry. Management now know to stick with the plan and the players will deliver. Even in the final mckenna was playing poorly but produced a moment of magic for the goal.  Also decision making has improved.  Maybe because they have lost a bit of fear, not looking over their shoulder at the line to see who is warming up to replace them.

McKenna apart from the goal was woeful on the ball, got so much wrong. Would imagine his ability to run and the hope and that he'd produce one moment of magic kept him on which turned to be the case.

Spot on regarding the management, had full belief in the plan and never waivered from it. They knew all day long their was a goal on from the long kickouts. They've done an outstanding job that nobody saw coming.

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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« on: September 13, 2021, 11:22:34 AM »
Before the start of the year if you'd said that Mayo starting 15 would go into the final as favourites people from Mayo would have thought you were crazy but that was the reality. In fairness everyone I met from either county was very confident and expected to win.

Both teams created a similar amount of chances but Tyrone certainly have more forwards who carry more of a threat inside the 45. 0-1 between 4 forwards is not good enough.

I reckon Horan would tell you his midfield pairing will score more then any other but they were dreadful, Loftus in particular missed so many chances that you'd expect him to score.

Mayo give away too many goal chances, that's always been the case under Horan and that's not going to change now. Their always going to have to hit around 20 points to win an All Ireland with the Dublin game been an anomaly. Talent wise their not that far away but you'd have to wonder what lasting affects this defeat will have.

Credit to Tyrone, they played at the level I expected them too and were deserved winners. Players like McGeary, Meyler and McCurry have really surprised me this year; Miles  better players then I thought they were.






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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland final tickets thread
« on: September 10, 2021, 10:17:00 AM »
Mayo and I asume Dublin don't accept new season ticket holders but is their any other county in either code which is sold out?

I do think the system is abused by a few in Mayo who don't go to game and pass them onto to others just so they can guarantee an All Ireland ticket in the event of getting there. Not a lot you can do about it though unless they stick ID's on the season ticket.


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