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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: January 12, 2021, 10:27:27 PM »
Tell me Angelo, do you think itís fake news,  the numbers in hospitals at the minute I mean?

Itís a yes or no question, nothing else

In your own time. As you havenít answered It, just added some waffle

Iíve already answered yours, all Lives count. Anyone in my family that needs medical right away and Nhs canít provide that service, Iíll pay for it.

So someone at 70+ is as important as a 20 year old in my view.

I think the numbers need clarity and context. I think they are deliberately misleading and should be clarified by:

A) How many people were admitted to hospital for Covid related reasons
B) How many cases were admitted to hospital for non-Covid related reasons and contracted Covid in the hospital settings?

Do you not want them to be clarified?

Let's asume B is an appreciable %. Why does it matter? Either way they Covid is f**king the health service. I don't think anyone is dandering into hospital at the minute for trivial reasons.

General discussion / Re: The vaccine rollout
« on: January 12, 2021, 10:24:33 PM »
My dad got it at 84. He had no ill effects whatsoever.

My folks both got the AZ one last week, late 80's, no problems at all.

I read a good article that suggested that that the for your average 10 year clinical trial period, the majority of that period is ate up by red tape and documentation.  The article went on to state that if the correct resources were utilised and paperwork etc. was turned around promptly, as opposed to taking many months per document, then its perfectly feasible for a trial to be concluded in less than a year.

That's true regarding the red tape etc. Although some would say the red tape is there to avoid incidences like the morning sickness drug given to pregnant women that caused limb growth issues.
I wonder would anyone on here know if you can do accelerated ageing tests on potential issues, say in 2 years time on the vaccine. I dont see how you could but I know feck all about vaccines.

Checked in to see if there was any rational chat. Two normal responses in a row might be a record.

General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: December 04, 2020, 04:58:55 AM »
Not much point bringing science into this one.
"Wet Pubs", Christ I hate that term....have been closed now since March? Yet it still runs free. Ireland, North and South....Europe.....

At least in the part of Ireland not run by the British, the virus does not "run free", it is under control, and that is because high risk activities like pubs are not open.

Ah look I acknowledge your point. But an infected person shopping, at a leisure centre, church et al, is the same as an infected person drinking.

Are masks not compulsory in shops in the North at this point?

Boris goes a few weeks ahead of 'the Europeans' - he's probably reading this thread and thinking this would be his best path to have even more shite talked.

So so pathetic, did you watch your saviour on the Andrew Marr show? All ifs and maybe and I don't knows!

Sounds like a proper scientist then.


The timeline is a massive worry
Previous vaccines and their side effects
The fact that big pharma is a dirty industry
The self-interest of those trying to get to market first

Listen you can choose to believe everything reported willy nilly. I think when it comes to my health and wellbeing, it's very important to not be naive.

There's explanations for the timeline. I've mentioned a few of the bigger ones above.

With regards to the rest, are you saying you would never take another new vaccine again because Pharma is a dirty industry? Therefore any vaccine could be as a result of a self serving pharma company?

You can choose to believe those explanations without question, I will choose to be sceptical.

And that's what it comes down to, I would be very suspicious of Big Pharma, their motivations to rush through a vaccine and precedent of side effects with vaccines. Given the public will for a vaccine and financial gains of producing one, there is more motivation than ever to rush one through.

And that's what shapes my outlook.

As regard to your second question, the fact is none of us know anything about this vaccine. It hasn't even hit the market yet so for me I question things, I'm going to queue up will my shoulder sleeve rolled without weighing everything up, it you want to embark down that route then that's your choice. I'm not telling you what to do, maybe you should stop trying to dictate to me.
Where did I dictate that you had to take it? Don't take it. I've no issue with that. (I do have a slight one with regards to how it impacts the rest of us but not enough to force you to take a vaccine that you seem to be so passionately against).
But I will continue to challenge your view that people are naive for taking the vaccine. That's just nonsense.

That's my viewpoint, my viewpoint is the on that is being attacked here in case you didn't notice. I have valid reasons for not wanting to take it but of course some people can't accept that.
Attacking your view point? Bit dramatic do you not think? It's a discussion board. Of course people will disagree with you over the likes of this. Your views are controversial so will be questioned. Same as you have queried the time frame of the trials.

It's my viewpoint that's been attacked.

If you want to get the vaccine then that's your choice. I've laid out my reasonings for not and I'm being attacked for them. It's a personal choice at the end of the day and I'm having defend my incessantly despite my reasoning being completely valid and rational.

How is 'valid and rational' to totally reject something that isn't even available yet because the work is not complete?

What if in 6 month regulatory bodies all across the world have independently stated a vaccine (or more than one) is effective and safe?

Well done Dolly.

Maybe she just wants to get back working 9 to 5, what is partly funded, I have donated to many charities, am I partly funding them!

Partly funded in this case is a million dollar donation. But I'm sure your donations are welcome and of course you are indeed partly funding those charities.

It's actually getting to be quite impressive how Angelo can be bothered with all these rows on different threads on an internet forum. He is going to need to give a man a start or employ a secretary to keep up with it all. Serious effort.

It looks that way at first.

Then you realise that every post on a topic is just a clone of the previous one - Big Pharma! Big Pharma! Big Pharma!

Sometimes it seems like a standard trolling exercise, other times you'd worry about him.

He has a point though - some serious profiteering going on here.  Prof Ugur Sahin, BioNTech co-founder on the Andrew Marr show had no answer to how long immunity would last, or if it would stop transmission yet we have lads on here queuing up to get it.  One question no one is answering (maybe they did but I can't be arsed reading back through the pages I have missed)  is surely it is against the human rights of Care Home residents to have this forced upon them especially as the usual 10 year vaccine has been rushed through in 10 months, and if there is side effects and these poor souls die would anyone care, they seem to be collateral damage.

The reason there is rush is because it is impacting the world's economy at billion dollar levels and killing people at levels of millions.

Therefore there is money to be made. So this is why is worthwhile for companies to put the investment in to take a chance on a new kind of vaccine (mRNA). This allows for the faster development.

"Since small companies like BioNTech, Moderna, and Inovio began developing genetic vaccines about 10 years ago, that speed has always been the brightest of its promises. The faster you can make and test vaccines, the faster you can respond to outbreaks of new diseases. But with any novel approach comes riskórisks that the vaccine wonít work well or, worse, that it harms someone, and millions of dollars will be wasted on a technology that turns out to be a flop. Until this year, major vaccine developers had shied away from genetic vaccines. Before 2020, only 12 mRNA vaccines ever made it to human trials. None were approved. Then came the coronavirus.

ďBefore the pandemic, there werenít the financial incentives or the opportunities for the big pharmaceutical companies to get involved,Ē says Peter Hotez, a vaccine researcher and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine.

Now you have 2 different companies posting similar results with a similar method - that at least demonstrates repeatability.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 11, 2020, 06:59:31 AM »

You really donít know very much about American politics do you?

Keep sneering, keep living in that fantasy world of la la, keep projecting Nazism onto others

It's no wonder Trump lost

You need to start living in the real world

Nobody who does takes you seriously

They might not like what I have to say but deep down they know Iím right

I had a good laugh last night when I read this interview with Gabriel Byrne whoís live here for decades

The Usual Suspects star also spoke about the failures of the Democratic Party in really understanding the anger of the working class in America.

ďThis is the second time theyíve come up against a gameshow host and theyíve learned nothing. Again they seriously underestimated the level of anger among mostly blue-collar workers

ďAt least itís the end of that guy but, personally, I canít stand Biden. An exceptionalist roaring about America as the moral leader of the world, all this crap. You canít appeal to people in Maine or Wisconsin or Michigan by saying this is a battle for the soul of America. Itís just political garbage.

So a millionaire actor who lives in Brooklyn Heights know the wants of the people of Wisconsin?

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 07, 2020, 01:24:58 AM »
Tucker reckons Joe Biden is a hologram and that big tech and corporate America are behind the projector!!!

But yíknow the liberals are crazy  ::) ::)

Turned turned him on - great craic.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 07, 2020, 01:03:53 AM »
Given Trumps remarks about veterans and also his general demeanour I would imagine that he would not be favoured by military men. They are not red-neck, sister shaggers with guns like a lot of his supporters.

A lot of them sister shaggers? Thats a ridiculous comment. Plently of ordinary folk vote for Trump for numerous different reasons. Plenty of ordinary folk vote for Biden for numerous different reasons too.

Fair point, but I also think it's fair to say Trump probably won the sister shagging demographic.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 06, 2020, 10:03:26 AM »
I hope your right, but not sure they'd even have the chance to have seen that stuff.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 05, 2020, 11:58:14 PM »
Is he gonna ramble from now till January?

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