All Ireland Semi Final: The Dubs v Cavan, 1730 Saturday 5 December 2020

[mrdeeds]

Is there no responsibility on the other counties in this debate?

All Dublin's fault?

Who said it was Dublin's fault? Dublin don't confer those advantages on themselves , It's the GAA that allows those advantages.

What advantages?

Population
Haven't played away in province in years
No travel expenses
No overnight expenses
Train where they live so can recover quicker and don't pay mileage
Massive disproportionate funding
Free centre of excellence
Don't have to pay for a proper county ground or build one

[mrdeeds]

Is there no responsibility on the other counties in this debate?

All Dublin's fault?

Who said it was Dublin's fault? Dublin don't confer those advantages on themselves , It's the GAA that allows those advantages.

+1.
There are 5 or 6 Dublin soccer teams in the League of Ireland.

With players exclusively from Dublin. Sure there are no other sports in the rest of Ireland.

[marty34]

Is there no responsibility on the other counties in this debate?

All Dublin's fault?

Who said it was Dublin's fault? Dublin don't confer those advantages on themselves , It's the GAA that allows those advantages.

What advantages?

Population
Haven't played away in province in years
No travel expenses
No overnight expenses
Train where they live so can recover quicker and don't pay mileage
Massive disproportionate funding
Free centre of excellence
Don't have to pay for a proper county ground or build one

Cop out.

Nobody brought these up when Meath was dominating Leinster and All Ireland under Sean Boylan.

It's a defeatest attitude.

[sid waddell]

Absolutely valid points, made todaybin "The Irish Mirror" by Bernard brogan re  Dean Rock and the gym etc. (And fair play to Dublin for making the most of the ridiculous advantages they enjoy, )  but do other county players benefit from a loaded AI system, have all their games at home, an almost guaranteed AI medal and several extra perks along the way. NO!

This inequitable nonsense needs to stop . Never mind the other counties not getting a fair crack of the whip, it's also completely unfair on this brilliant Dublin team that their success is completely devalued and they don't get a chance to prove they are best under a fair system.

If you want a fair system, the end of all inter-county teams should then be on the table - not just Dublin

The Down team has no more inherent right to exist than the Dublin team

[6th sam]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is not begrudgery or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality. The Dublin excellence which you quite rightly point out , is not sustainable without meaningful competition . As a proud Dublin supporter I'm sure you must hate the fact that your All-Ireland's are demeaned by the advantages you enjoy. No disrespect but if Down played Carlow Offaly and Longford in newry each year, to earn the right to play Meath in Leinster final , again in Newry , I'd fancy our chances. We'd then get a crack at the super8s again in newry with maybe a novelty trip to Omagh thrown in. We'd then play AI semis and final , again in Newry. We would have GPOs in every club halffunded by central GAA and our players would have access to cars and several other perks. And to complete the package , no other county gets those advantages . Would u be ok with that Dublin7? And if Armagh complained would u accuse them of begrudgery. If you are going to reply , please present possible solutions , rather than blindly defending the indefensible. Fight the corner of these brilliant Dublin players who deserve to prove themselves in fair circumstances

[sid waddell]

Is there no responsibility on the other counties in this debate?

All Dublin's fault?

Who said it was Dublin's fault? Dublin don't confer those advantages on themselves , It's the GAA that allows those advantages.

+1.
There are 5 or 6 Dublin soccer teams in the League of Ireland.

There's one Brazil team in the World Cup

[red hander]

The reality is Cavan are a Division 3 team who won Ulster this year on pure heart, pure determination

And fair play to them, they were game as a pebble this evening and were far from disgraced, they were a damn sight better than anybody in Leinster would have been

But they are not the best team in Ulster, they're not the second best team in Ulster, probably not third best

Not sure exactly what people expected this evening

Being good is not a crime

Being good means it's difficult to beat you

Colm O'Rourke was basically pushing the Homer Simpson line - if something is too difficult, quit

I would hope Colm doesn't bring that attitude to his day job in school

Colm's other line is that if a team wins too much for his liking, you should change the rules to bring the good team down to the level of others

Colm very much does not espouse that philosophy in his views on society as a whole, which I find interesting

6 in a row is a sign that the system is broken.

Even gobshites understand that now.

The Challenge Cup in Rugby League recovered from Wigan's eight in a row

The Mayo SFC recovered from Ballina's 13 in a row

The Armagh championship seems to be recovering well from Crossmaglen's 13 in a row/19 in 20 years

The All-Ireland hurling championship recovered from Kilkenny's 11 in 16 years

County championships, Sid?
Go back to.your handlers and ask for proper data

Colm O Rourke is a clown. Let's remember, this is the man who said he'd eat his hat if a player as bad as Brian Dooher won an All-Ireland. He won 3, two as captain. A man who clearly doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. And he's still in a job at RTE.

[mrdeeds]

Is there no responsibility on the other counties in this debate?

All Dublin's fault?

Who said it was Dublin's fault? Dublin don't confer those advantages on themselves , It's the GAA that allows those advantages.

What advantages?

Population
Haven't played away in province in years
No travel expenses
No overnight expenses
Train where they live so can recover quicker and don't pay mileage
Massive disproportionate funding
Free centre of excellence
Don't have to pay for a proper county ground or build one

Cop out.

Nobody brought these up when Meath was dominating Leinster and All Ireland under Sean Boylan.

It's a defeatest attitude.

They didn't have all them advantages. They didn't win 10 leinsters in a row or 5 all irelands.

[sid waddell]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

[armaghniac]

Absolutely valid points, made todaybin "The Irish Mirror" by Bernard brogan re  Dean Rock and the gym etc. (And fair play to Dublin for making the most of the ridiculous advantages they enjoy, )  but do other county players benefit from a loaded AI system, have all their games at home, an almost guaranteed AI medal and several extra perks along the way. NO!

This inequitable nonsense needs to stop . Never mind the other counties not getting a fair crack of the whip, it's also completely unfair on this brilliant Dublin team that their success is completely devalued and they don't get a chance to prove they are best under a fair system.

If you want a fair system, the end of all inter-county teams should then be on the table - not just Dublin

The Down team has no more inherent right to exist than the Dublin team

That is mere whataboutery, apart from Armagh people nobody sees a particular problem with the Down team.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

A duopoly provides more interest than a monopoly.

[mrdeeds]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

Kerry was generational. This Dublin team isn't. What has to happen for you to take your head out of the sand. This is a completely new Dublin team to 2011 and there are more u20s ready to come in.

[sid waddell]

Absolutely valid points, made todaybin "The Irish Mirror" by Bernard brogan re  Dean Rock and the gym etc. (And fair play to Dublin for making the most of the ridiculous advantages they enjoy, )  but do other county players benefit from a loaded AI system, have all their games at home, an almost guaranteed AI medal and several extra perks along the way. NO!

This inequitable nonsense needs to stop . Never mind the other counties not getting a fair crack of the whip, it's also completely unfair on this brilliant Dublin team that their success is completely devalued and they don't get a chance to prove they are best under a fair system.

If you want a fair system, the end of all inter-county teams should then be on the table - not just Dublin

The Down team has no more inherent right to exist than the Dublin team

That is mere whataboutery apart from Armagh people, nobody sees a particular problem with the Down team.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

A duopoly provides more interest than a monopoly.

But if we were to say that the Dublin team should cease to exist, there's nothing then to say that the Down team or the Armagh team should not cease to exist also, that they should not merge into one team, perhaps with another county or two

Why should the Armagh team have any more inherent right to exist than Dublin?

It's a very strange reading of things indeed to call the All-Ireland football championship a monopoly based on 10 seasons and yet not call the Munster football championship a monopoly also based on 130 seasons

By your criteria, the All-Ireland football championship was a monopoly between 1975 and 1986

[BennyCake]

Cavan were pure shite despite the platitudes being dished out on the TV & radio coverage.

Says a a gobshite from Carlow that spent how many years of their sorry existence in Div4? Youd know what shite is alright.

I am proud of the lads. Yes they made some terrible errors in the 1st half and they ran out of juice in the 2nd but they did everything they could and they know where the level is that they need to strive towards. Dublin are just an incredible team. The level of athleticism, power and strength they have through their panel is sensational, its professional I suppose. They are also incredibly skillful and big Fenton is the best player in Ireland by a mile. Their first 5 subs, without doubt, start on any other team in the country.

Cavan have a lot of new players or lads really only getting into a proper S&C program (a legacy of previous managements and county board not doing it right) We have a good man in there now and hopefully we can keep him. We have an excellent manager. We have some damn good players. The players have had a taste of glory so hopefully that convinces them to stick with it and push on for more. I'm confident this will be a start for Cavan to move up in the world, not the end of a good team like it was in 97.  So a great year and well done to all involved.

No need for a personal attack Itchy pet. Cavan performed about as well as the better Leinster counties generally do against Dublin, ye were further away than Westmeath but closer than Meath. There's no point in pretending that Cavan should be praised for that, the Leinster teams aren't. They played out of their skins in the Ulster final but were nowhere near that today. When was the last time there was a 15 point loss in a semi-final?

What would someone from Carlow even know about football. Go back to your hole and sort out your ridiculous jerseys. You call my county "pure shite" what do you expect gobshite.

So childish, yet so funny 

[From the Bunker]

Glad to see Dublin win and win well! Last thing we needed was Cavan only losing by a couple of points. 


Outside of Leinster, Dublin have played a cycle of Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone in championship the last decade.

A game like tonights game for Cavan is a baptism of reality.

Most counties are hidden away from Dublin and have no comprehension of what they are like up close.

Hoping Dublin win the final by a landslide.

[sid waddell]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

Kerry was generational. This Dublin team isn't. What has to happen for you to take your head out of the sand. This is a completely new Dublin team to 2011 and there are more u20s ready to come in.

There's no evidence to say this Dublin team is any less generational than the Kerry team of 1975 to 1986, or indeed the 2000s Kerry team, which routinely replaced all-time great with all-time great