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Title: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on June 03, 2017, 07:50:25 AM
First up NZ Provincial Barabarians this morning.

It divides opinion but I love the Lions Tours.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 03, 2017, 08:10:28 AM
Good man Benny but be prepared for obtuse comments on rugby and especially the Lions.  The tour in NZ is a great sporting occasion which comes around so rarely.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on June 03, 2017, 08:13:22 AM
I like to see the Irish players doing well. Wonder how many will make the test team. Murray a shoe in? Furlong?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on June 03, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
Some of the Irish greats are in this list

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/06/02/top-50-greatest-british-irish-lions/
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 03, 2017, 09:29:21 AM
Good man Benny but be prepared for obtuse comments on rugby and especially the Lions.  The tour in NZ is a great sporting occasion which comes around so rarely.

In fairness that was a terrible first half. If that was a football match the pundits would be calling it shocking, attacking the game generally and emphasising poor skills and defensive systems. They'd be laughing at how bad the top players from five local countries were playing and saying it proves how bad the game is locally. They'd throw out the game is finished line.

The rugby boys will brush over it and make excuses for the poor quality (some of them genuine). They will then move on very quickly to hyping up the next game. Boys will buy everything said and go on about how rugby is an attacking game and Gaelic spoiled by defensive systems even though it's a much higher scoring sport.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: themac_23 on June 03, 2017, 10:21:57 AM
Personally i don't see the point of the Lions, what is the benefit of putting 4 teams together, 3 of which are actually competitive at the top level to play a series against another top team, actually seems like an inferiority thing. imagine in soccer, england, ireland, scotland and wales joining to play a couple of games against Brazil or Argentina?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 03, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
Personally i don't see the point of the Lions, what is the benefit of putting 4 teams together, 3 of which are actually competitive at the top level to play a series against another top team, actually seems like an inferiority thing. imagine in soccer, england, ireland, scotland and wales joining to play a couple of games against Brazil or Argentina?
It only took 6 posts. Well done.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 03, 2017, 11:13:22 AM
Personally i don't see the point of the Lions, what is the benefit of putting 4 teams together, 3 of which are actually competitive at the top level to play a series against another top team, actually seems like an inferiority thing. imagine in soccer, england, ireland, scotland and wales joining to play a couple of games against Brazil or Argentina?

Ah no, I wanted to be first to say I've no interest in the Lions☹️
When it comes to posting on threads you have no interest in, you have to move fast!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2017, 11:23:16 AM
Is it OK not to be interested in the Lions but interested in why people are interested in the Lions?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 03, 2017, 11:27:02 AM
The Irish lads didn't do themselves many favours today Sexton poor, Henderson missing tackles and Rory's darts awry.

Furlong was Ok when he came on. Early days the next few games against the Big Club teams will tell a tale!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: stew on June 03, 2017, 11:37:07 AM
The Irish lads didn't do themselves many favours today Sexton poor, Henderson missing tackles and Rory's darts awry.

Furlong was Ok when he came on. Early days the next few games against the Big Club teams will tell a tale!


It is a feeling out process, these lads dont know each other on the field of play the way their opponents do, they will learn a lot from today and improve but I suspect they will lose a game or two along the way before hitting their stride against the all blacks.


Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: themac_23 on June 03, 2017, 11:52:52 AM
Personally i don't see the point of the Lions, what is the benefit of putting 4 teams together, 3 of which are actually competitive at the top level to play a series against another top team, actually seems like an inferiority thing. imagine in soccer, england, ireland, scotland and wales joining to play a couple of games against Brazil or Argentina?

Ah no, I wanted to be first to say I've no interest in the Lions☹️

 8)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: ashman on June 03, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
Very very sloppy performance TBH .  There is room for improvement .
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on June 03, 2017, 01:24:36 PM
Well that was a Bag O' Shite. Plenty of excuses but few good performances. Best & Henderson have done themselves no favours, Sexton either. Heard them saying the bookies spread in NZ was 36pts!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on June 03, 2017, 01:57:57 PM
Well that was a Bag O' Shite. Plenty of excuses but few good performances. Best & Henderson have done themselves no favours, Sexton either. Heard them saying the bookies spread in NZ was 36pts!

Aye this was supposedly the 'easiest' warm up game they have. Not a great day for the Irish I'd say Best was the pick of them but he wasn't great either. I think Farrell will start at 10 he's been the best 10 in Europe for the past 2 seasons. A game like that today can totally destroy your chances of being anywhere near the test squad.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 03, 2017, 02:00:57 PM
The NZ Babas are most acdemy semi-pro players apparently. And like the Lions they are a made up team so only started training together a week or so ago. Real sloppy start.

The Lions tours are great craic mostly. Particularly in SA and NZ.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: 5 Sams on June 03, 2017, 05:15:12 PM

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 03, 2017, 05:48:34 PM



That's going to piss off the loyalists.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 03, 2017, 09:57:22 PM
that stuff is piss
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 05, 2017, 10:07:21 AM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hardy on June 05, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501)

I agree that it's irrelevant in sporting terms but since when has that been a barrier to commercial success in professional sport? He sums it up himself:
Quote
The real modern Lions success story is in ‘morkoting’ a spurious sense of ‘them and us’ to a rugby base which normally has very clear definitions of what constitutes ‘us’ and isn’t shy about proclaiming them.

It is a huge commercial success, with goys all over this country wittering on about how they cant wait for the first test and how much it means to raw-meat-reared Munstermen to be chosen for a team that's nothing but a relic of auld imperialism. In an era when irrelevant junk sport is growing in popularity, when you can fill stadiums with people who will watch trucks driving around for three hours, I can only see the Lions morkot thriving, not disappearing.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 06, 2017, 01:56:32 AM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501

I don't know who you're agreeing with but no one knows about much less cares about the Irish B team's contractual obligation tour.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 06, 2017, 11:21:05 AM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501

I don't know who you're agreeing with but no one knows about much less cares about the Irish B team's contractual obligation tour.

You sure about that? This is a very important tour in terms of the next World Cup and young lads on the cusp of making the step up to the next level. The experience gained by lads like Carberry/Leavy/Scannell/Stockdale will be invaluable as these lads will be hugely important for the World Cup!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: AhNowRef on June 06, 2017, 11:27:34 AM
Is it OK not to be interested in the Lions but interested in why people are interested in the Lions?

Hmmm.... Interesting  ???
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 06, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501

I don't know who you're agreeing with but no one knows about much less cares about the Irish B team's contractual obligation tour.

You sure about that? This is a very important tour in terms of the next World Cup and young lads on the cusp of making the step up to the next level. The experience gained by lads like Carberry/Leavy/Scannell/Stockdale will be invaluable as these lads will be hugely important for the World Cup!

+1. Huge tour for those listed and the likes of Marimon to build on his fantastic performance against England. If we are to make the last 4 in the next RWC we need 2/3 options in every position. None more so than scrum half.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 06, 2017, 12:26:40 PM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501

I don't know who you're agreeing with but no one knows about much less cares about the Irish B team's contractual obligation tour.

You sure about that? This is a very important tour in terms of the next World Cup and young lads on the cusp of making the step up to the next level. The experience gained by lads like Carberry/Leavy/Scannell/Stockdale will be invaluable as these lads will be hugely important for the World Cup!

+1. Huge tour for those listed and the likes of Marimon to build on his fantastic performance against England. If we are to make the last 4 in the next RWC we need 2/3 options in every position. None more so than scrum half.

They would be better served playing what remains of provincial sides than Japan and the US if the goal is development.

Performing well against teams of their level means absolutely nothing when the real stuff starts and you either well know it and don't want to admit it or you're just fooling yourself.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 06, 2017, 12:33:38 PM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501

I don't know who you're agreeing with but no one knows about much less cares about the Irish B team's contractual obligation tour.

You sure about that? This is a very important tour in terms of the next World Cup and young lads on the cusp of making the step up to the next level. The experience gained by lads like Carberry/Leavy/Scannell/Stockdale will be invaluable as these lads will be hugely important for the World Cup!

+1. Huge tour for those listed and the likes of Marimon to build on his fantastic performance against England. If we are to make the last 4 in the next RWC we need 2/3 options in every position. None more so than scrum half.

They would be better served playing what remains of provincial sides than Japan and the US if the goal is development.

Performing well against teams of their level means absolutely nothing when the real stuff starts and you either well know it and don't want to admit it or you're just fooling yourself.

What provincial sides?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: stew on June 06, 2017, 05:55:30 PM
Have to say I'd agree with most of this. More interested in the Irish tour of the US and Japan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-irrelevance-is-the-rock-on-which-the-lions-will-perish-1.3107501)

I agree that it's irrelevant in sporting terms but since when has that been a barrier to commercial success in professional sport? He sums it up himself:
Quote
The real modern Lions success story is in ‘morkoting’ a spurious sense of ‘them and us’ to a rugby base which normally has very clear definitions of what constitutes ‘us’ and isn’t shy about proclaiming them.

It is a huge commercial success, with goys all over this country wittering on about how they cant wait for the first test and how much it means to raw-meat-reared Munstermen to be chosen for a team that's nothing but a relic of auld imperialism. In an era when irrelevant junk sport is growing in popularity, when you can fill stadiums with people who will watch trucks driving around for three hours, I can only see the Lions morkot thriving, not disappearing.

Relic of old imperialism my arse, Irish lads get an opportunity to develop and play with and against the worlds best, I fail to see any downside and I will be pulling for the lions on this tour no matter who plays for them.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 06, 2017, 06:51:15 PM
The only unlikeable thing about the Lions is Gatland's mug. Though on balance it's probably better for us he has the gig and JS didn't have to split time.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: The Subbie on June 07, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
12-10 to a lucky Blues team at half time after the lions destroyed them after a shaky start, sonny bill getting a injury time try for the blues.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 07, 2017, 10:39:25 AM
That was some try from the Blues to win it.

The Lions never looked like being able to produce anything like that.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Mikhailov on June 07, 2017, 10:48:54 AM
SBW showing that he is world class - even after fasting for 12 hours pre game due to Ramadan.

Rory Best will get hammered for that last line out !!

Crusaders on Saturday is a level up again as they are unbeaten in the Super Rugby this year - Lions could be in for a bigger defeat come Saturday if Crusaders are allowed to play all their All Blacks in that game.

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnneycool on June 07, 2017, 10:52:18 AM
That was some try from the Blues to win it.

The Lions never looked like being able to produce anything like that.

Offloading is key, Gatland isn't on that page yet. Big scrum, set plays, crash ball stuff like Wales. NZ will eat that up and shite it out the other end.
Rugby has moved on, but Gatland hasn't.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 07, 2017, 10:59:17 AM
No irish injuries will be a good tour for me. Dont care if they are hammered every game.

Tour was madness in the first place.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 11:12:42 AM
That was some try from the Blues to win it.

The Lions never looked like being able to produce anything like that.

Offloading is key, Gatland isn't on that page yet. Big scrum, set plays, crash ball stuff like Wales. NZ will eat that up and shite it out the other end.
Rugby has moved on, but Gatland hasn't.

Has it? Is that not just what the 6 nations is every year. It seems as though Gatland gets a lot of personal criticism from Ireland because of his past comments and his dropping of O'Driscoll but I wouldn't exactly say that Schmidt is anything other than a pragmatist either. 
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnneycool on June 07, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
That was some try from the Blues to win it.

The Lions never looked like being able to produce anything like that.

Offloading is key, Gatland isn't on that page yet. Big scrum, set plays, crash ball stuff like Wales. NZ will eat that up and shite it out the other end.
Rugby has moved on, but Gatland hasn't.

Has it? Is that not just what the 6 nations is every year. It seems as though Gatland gets a lot of personal criticism from Ireland because of his past comments and his dropping of O'Driscoll but I wouldn't exactly say that Schmidt is anything other than a pragmatist either.

Schmidt is pretty conservative as well that I do agree with and yes, you'll do OK in the 6N's against the other bosh teams of England and Wales and maybe the skillset still isn't there for the type of expansive game NZ play with physically smaller but more athletic teams, especially in the pack.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 07, 2017, 11:38:29 AM
You could argue that NZ set the standard for strength and conditioning of all field teams - rugby, aussie rules, american football and even GAA. They seem years ahead!

The Blues outhalf, the younger Ione and Jordie Barrett were all pulled from their U20 world cup squad to play against the Lions. Scary talent!!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: clonadmad on June 07, 2017, 01:11:37 PM
A money making exercise mainly for the host union and Sky.

Insane scheduling 2 games played already and they not in NZ a week,next up a trimming from Canterbury.

Time to bin this tour of the colonies,just wait for the injuries and loss of form for Province and Ireland before and after the chaps return home.

 
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hound on June 07, 2017, 01:28:42 PM
Crusaders favourities with the bookies on Saturday. Can't be too often that the Lions have gone into a non-Test match as underdogs!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 10, 2017, 10:47:41 AM
Now we're sucking diesel!!

Great win for the Lions today the Crusaders didn't really have an answer for it much better from the Irish as well Sexton very good when he came on and O'Mahoney and O'Brien excellent as well great to see it start to come together!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 10, 2017, 11:47:08 AM
Sounded like a big performance. Furlong class yet again. The centres and back 3 will be interesting to see who is chosen.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: dec on June 10, 2017, 01:18:02 PM
What position was sexton playing when he came on
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 10, 2017, 01:19:44 PM
What position was sexton playing when he came on

Think 10 with Farrell to 12
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: stew on June 10, 2017, 02:42:18 PM
Now we're sucking diesel!!

Great win for the Lions today the Crusaders didn't really have an answer for it much better from the Irish as well Sexton very good when he came on and O'Mahoney and O'Brien excellent as well great to see it start to come together!

Wow we actually agree on something screen.

They are finally starting to come together and I think they will be good to go for the first test, exciting stuff and I really think this series will be one for the ages.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 10, 2017, 09:25:15 PM
f**k me this Argentina england game is something else way more entertaining than any of the lions games
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 10, 2017, 10:01:43 PM
great game to watch, some difference that the bosh crash slow moving pack style of the Lions this morning
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 10, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
the Argies have a big pack but have the back line to match it to, 2 bad tackling mistakes to let the England man through at the end in a position he should not have been fit to get out of and away.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2017, 10:54:35 AM
Understrength Highlanders beat lions 23-22; lions badly fizzled out after been 22 - 13 up !
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on June 17, 2017, 08:09:50 AM
I see 4 lads have won a competition this morning to join the Lions squad.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: CiKe on June 17, 2017, 08:20:39 AM
Now I don't watch a huge amount of rugby but would have expected to know these guys called up. Never heard of three of them
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 17, 2017, 08:30:49 AM
Now I don't watch a huge amount of rugby but would have expected to know these guys called up. Never heard of three of them

Its a joke I know these guys are only there to take the pressure off the current squad but ffs they can still claim to be a lions player whereas some players who are ten times the player are left at home. Gatland is a pr1ck. Lets not forget if Beale didnt slip over a last minute penalty we would have lost the series against an Aussie team that were spanked 3-0 by England by themselves. Warrenball is rubbish.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 17, 2017, 08:50:05 AM
North has had an absolute 'mare of an opening ten minutes.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 17, 2017, 08:51:31 AM
North has had an absolute 'mare of an opening ten minutes.

Well he is permanently concussed so he probably saw about 4 balls
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2017, 09:07:41 AM
The Haka is the most cringeworthy thing in sport.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
Fun i see the opposite, i think its one of the greatest things in sport
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2017, 09:15:45 AM
It used to be good when it was once a year. Now they'd do the haka at the opening of an envelope.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: michaelg on June 17, 2017, 09:17:03 AM
The Haka is the most cringeworthy thing in sport.
Agreed.  Annoying when they take the huff about when they get to do it, opposing teams' reaction to it etc.  Check out the video below when it was clearly not as big a thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htCTWZqCMhQ
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2017, 09:28:29 AM
It's the bit where they stick the tongue out and go all cross eyed that makes me laugh. Like most things, it used to be good when it was done in moderation but they've ripped the ass out of it now. They are getting longer and more props appearing as well, there was a f**king axe or something in that one this morning. Now every team is doing it and the intimidation thing is not there anymore.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2017, 09:59:40 AM
Now I don't watch a huge amount of rugby but would have expected to know these guys called up. Never heard of three of them
Joe Launchbury will be feeling the same.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 17, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
Now I don't watch a huge amount of rugby but would have expected to know these guys called up. Never heard of three of them
Joe Launchbury will be feeling the same.

If your national side happened to be touring in Aus/NZ this month, then you have far greater chance of a Lions call-up. That's the aggravating bit.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 17, 2017, 02:53:24 PM
I don't know what we're complaining about. Fecking Tom Court is a Lion because of that exact fact.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 06:43:26 PM
If they needed an extra close by lock it should been johnny Grey, Gatland very biased to wales, though how he can leave out O`Brien  and Peter O`M of the starting line up after there last 2 games in favour of the welsh pair would be a kick in the teeth
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on June 17, 2017, 09:35:08 PM
Well one of the two is Sam Warburton, the Captain. If fit he plays
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 10:59:35 PM
why should he play cause hes captain, hes been poor all year for wales, and the current 2 men are playing better than him
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JoG2 on June 17, 2017, 11:44:30 PM
If they needed an extra close by lock it should been johnny Grey, Gatland very biased to wales, though how he can leave out O`Brien  and Peter O`M of the starting line up after there last 2 games in favour of the welsh pair would be a kick in the teeth

Lions team for the first test announced


JPR Williams
Michael Sheen
Charlotte Church
Tom Jones
Ivor the Engine
Kelly Jones from The Stereophonics
Bertrand Russell RIP
Dylan Thomas
Richard Burton RIP
Neville Southall
Shirley Bassey
David Lloyd George RIP
Owain Glyndowr
Richie from the Manics (missing presumed dead since 1995)
Sam Wharburton (capt)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2017, 01:13:13 AM
Like i said JOG, i wouldn't have Sam in that team lol
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: smelmoth on June 18, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
Irish boys doing well. If Farrell isn't fit and a sensible selection policy is used then we will have 1/3 of the starting team including the key positions of tight head, open side, fly half and scrum half and captain.

Stander and Henshaw still have a chance for the later tests.

Furlong on track for true legend status
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 18, 2017, 11:09:55 AM
Like i said JOG, i wouldn't have Sam in that team lol

His dad is English so probsbly not Welsh enough
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 18, 2017, 12:10:14 PM
Irish boys doing well. If Farrell isn't fit and a sensible selection policy is used then we will have 1/3 of the starting team including the key positions of tight head, open side, fly half and scrum half and captain.

Stander and Henshaw still have a chance for the later tests.

Furlong on track for true legend status

This love-in for Farell is mad stuff. Him being injured strengthens the Lions starting line-up.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 18, 2017, 12:17:51 PM
Irish boys doing well. If Farrell isn't fit and a sensible selection policy is used then we will have 1/3 of the starting team including the key positions of tight head, open side, fly half and scrum half and captain.

Stander and Henshaw still have a chance for the later tests.

Furlong on track for true legend status

This love-in for Farell is mad stuff. Him being injured strengthens the Lions starting line-up.

Loath him as most of us appear to do but he is a very good player and able to play both fly half and centre equally well.

Wonder how Sexton is taking the situation that Halfpenny is the designated kicker no matter who is at No.10.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 18, 2017, 12:19:40 PM
Irish boys doing well. If Farrell isn't fit and a sensible selection policy is used then we will have 1/3 of the starting team including the key positions of tight head, open side, fly half and scrum half and captain.

Stander and Henshaw still have a chance for the later tests.

Furlong on track for true legend status

This love-in for Farell is mad stuff. Him being injured strengthens the Lions starting line-up.

Loath him as most of us appear to do but he is a very good player and able to play both fly half and centre equally well.

Wonder how Sexton is taking the situation that Halfpenny is the designated kicker no matter who is at No.10.

I think he's a weakness at 12, I'd take some like Henshaw every time over Farell unless the 10 is useless at goal-kicking. And at 10 he's inferior to Sexton in just about every facet.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2017, 02:34:40 PM
He a poor mans Jonny Wilkinson, take his goal kicking out, the man has no play making ability at all
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: smelmoth on June 18, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
He a poor mans Jonny Wilkinson, take his goal kicking out, the man has no play making ability at all

Total nonsense.

Farrell is as capable as anyone of having a poor game but the idea that he has no play making ability is nonsense.

Both he and Sexton will get Test game time so we will see
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on June 20, 2017, 01:12:14 PM
34-6 win this morning. Starting to come together now.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Mikhailov on June 20, 2017, 02:12:48 PM
He a poor mans Jonny Wilkinson, take his goal kicking out, the man has no play making ability at all

Rubbish - I personally don't like him but he is the main man for both England and Saracens and they have been fairly successful in past few years. Respected rugby commentators who claim he is world class cannot all be wrong !!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 20, 2017, 02:17:06 PM
He a poor mans Jonny Wilkinson, take his goal kicking out, the man has no play making ability at all

Rubbish - I personally don't like him but he is the main man for both England and Saracens and they have been fairly successful in past few years. Respected rugby commentators who claim he is world class cannot all be wrong !!

Bit like the commentators that never point out Devin Toner is stone useless, ya?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on June 20, 2017, 11:34:28 PM
Team for first Test named tomorrow night at 8pm Irish Time.  Eould be great to see O'Mahony skipper the side.  Hard to see anything other than a NZ win..havent lost to anyone at Eden park since 1994...just hope they are competitive at least
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on June 21, 2017, 01:05:40 AM
Well the Lions have hardly scored any tries on this tour with the backs apart from today with the b team against a weakened Chiefs team. They will find it very hard to beat the all blacks without the backs making a decent contribution. Unless the lions pack can completely dominate the all blacks up front and Halfpenny gets all his kicks. I will tip the all blacks to win the first test.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gawa316 on June 21, 2017, 08:04:34 PM
Team for 1st test...

Backs: 15 Liam Williams (Wales); 14 Anthony Watson (England), 13 Jonathan Davies (Wales), 12 Ben Te'o (England), 11 Elliot Daly (England); 10 Owen Farrell (England), 9 Conor Murray (Ireland);

Forwards: 1 Mako Vunipola (England), 2 Jamie George (England), 3 Tadhg Furlong (Ireland); 4 Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), 5 George Kruis (England); 6 Peter O'Mahony - captain (Ireland), 7 Sean O'Brien (Ireland), 8 Taulupe Faletau (Wales).

Replacements: 16 Ken Owens (Wales), 17 Jack McGrath (Ireland), 18 Kyle Sinckler (England), 19 Maro Itoje (England), 20 Sam Warburton (Wales), 21 Rhys Webb (Wales), 22 Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), 23 Leigh Halfpenny (Wales).
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
what the hell has Maro Itoje done not to start ridiculous,  plus world class farrell in for Sexton, though that change about 20mins into the game if the Lions pack are not on top and the flyhalf on the back foot.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gawa316 on June 21, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
Some turn around for O'Mahoney who probably wouldn't even have been there only for Heaslip getting injured before the England game...and the rest is history
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 21, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Delighted for POM. Surely next Irish captain.

Gutsy selection by Gatland with that back 3. Warburton and Halfpenny offer little from the bench
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: galwayman on June 21, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
Halfpenny on the bench?
Farrell is the kicker and Sexton on the bench already.
Strange one.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on June 21, 2017, 09:01:31 PM
Yeah strange call regarding Halfpenny on the bench he's probably the one back in the squad that would offer little impact. I think I'd have gone with North for the bench as despite being out of form is still very capable of coming on and making a big impact.

Some honour for POM surely he'll lead Ireland into the next World Cup.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 21, 2017, 09:06:30 PM
Have to say, a few brave calls from Gatland that I didn't expect. Dropping Halfpenny, North and Warburton all big for him
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on June 21, 2017, 09:42:57 PM
Delighted for PoM. Good to see Furlong and SoB in there too. Murray was a given
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: CiKe on June 21, 2017, 10:46:26 PM
Would have thought stander to cover 6 and 8. Halfpenny seems daft alright.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 21, 2017, 11:23:43 PM
He lost this match the moment he chose Farrell at 10.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: stephenite on June 22, 2017, 12:16:13 AM
He lost this match the moment he chose Farrell at 10.

I'm not sure the Lions can win a test against the All Blacks regardless of who he picks
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: 5 Sams on June 22, 2017, 02:02:17 AM
I've said it before...I know sweet fcuk all about rugby but I watch it avidly and O'Mahony is one of the toughest men and greatest leaders in Irish sport I've seen in the last 20+ years. Good luck on Saturday Peter.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 22, 2017, 10:05:37 AM
He lost this match the moment he chose Farrell at 10.

I'm not sure the Lions can win a test against the All Blacks regardless of who he picks

Indeed! Syfeen getting a bit carried away with the hyperbole.

Interesting team selection picking a dynamic back 3 and O'Mahony in the back row but then shunning Itoje in the second row.

I'll take it as I was expecting North, Halfpenny and Warburton to play but the team picked looks to have a much better balance to it and Itoje off the bench is a very good impact player.

Sexton probably slightly unlucky to miss out but Farrell is the for out half so can't really grumble about it. I think it's the strongest team the Lions could put out but ultimately the All Blacks will take them I fear.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Keyser soze on June 22, 2017, 10:32:58 AM
Whole load of guys who aren't first choice for their country starting...Williams at FB doesnt start here for Wales, George cant nail down a starting berth for England, how many international games has Daly started, very few, AWJ in front of Itoje.

Looks a mad selection to me.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 22, 2017, 10:35:33 AM
Whole load of guys who aren't first choice for their country starting...Williams at FB doesnt start here for Wales, George cant nail down a starting berth for England, how many international games has Daly started, very few, AWJ in front of Itoje.

Looks a mad selection to me.

Paul Wallace, Jeremy Davidson, John Bentley, Jenkins at FB in 97. List goes on.

A young O'Driscoll hadn't too many games under his belt in 2001. Not that I'm comparing any of the listed to BOD!

The Welsh having been crying out for Williams at FB. Cracking player!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Keyser soze on June 22, 2017, 10:45:24 AM
Yes Walter you have listed 4 players, the same as I have. Were the ones you have listed all played in the one match?

Has Williams ever been selected at FB for Wales when Halfpenny has been fit?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tiempo on June 22, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
Whole load of guys who aren't first choice for their country starting...Williams at FB doesnt start here for Wales, George cant nail down a starting berth for England, how many international games has Daly started, very few, AWJ in front of Itoje.

Looks a mad selection to me.

Paul Wallace, Jeremy Davidson, John Bentley, Jenkins at FB in 97. List goes on.

A young O'Driscoll hadn't too many games under his belt in 2001. Not that I'm comparing any of the listed to BOD!

The Welsh having been crying out for Williams at FB. Cracking player!

Williams selection could be an accidental masterstroke only enforced by Halfpenny's awful form. I can imagine Gatland getting heat in the selection meeting about picking Halfpenny and ceding to consensus. Williams should be in there all day ahead of him, I'm pretty sure he has never started full back for Wales with Halfpenny on the wing. Williams potential is wasted on the wing.

Zebo also a better FB than Halfpenny and a shame now that he's missed out, another man wasted when put on the wing. Earls is a very good out and out winger and finisher and a shame he missed out on selection against the grossly overhyped North. They should turn that cub into a back row and be done with it.

Warrenball does not factor in flair, individual brilliance or playmaking ability. James Hook may not have been an all time great but he was consistenly overlooked for Wales in favour of Stephen Jones.

I think the Lions should be competitive for the first half at least as they'll look to keep it tight and low scoring, however to beat NZ you need to be racking up 30+ points and I'm not sure where those points will come from. I think NZ will get the business done in the second half and win by 10-15 points.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 22, 2017, 11:38:56 AM
Whole load of guys who aren't first choice for their country starting...Williams at FB doesnt start here for Wales, George cant nail down a starting berth for England, how many international games has Daly started, very few, AWJ in front of Itoje.

Looks a mad selection to me.

George has long been talked about as better than Hartley and for the life of me I don't know why Jones has Hartley on before him possibly for the impact George can have against a tired pack.

Williams should be the starting FB for Wales but has been in their starting line up regularly for a while now and Daly started all of England's 6N games so not sure what your gripe is with him. POM again hasn't been a regular starter for Ireland but you can't argue with what he brings.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 22, 2017, 11:55:56 AM
What the above said!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Keyser soze on June 22, 2017, 12:09:37 PM
Well the above have said the exact same as me i.e. neither George nor Williams can get past Hartley or Halfpenny to claim a starting position on their respective national sides so I am not sure how that advances your argument.

Daly ok there can be a case made for him but Otoje's omission is a real shocker for me. 
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: CiKe on June 22, 2017, 12:14:30 PM
Yes Walter you have listed 4 players, the same as I have. Were the ones you have listed all played in the one match?

Has Williams ever been selected at FB for Wales when Halfpenny has been fit?

Halfpenny picked for Wales for last good while based purely on his kicking ability. Farrell is his near equal in this respect (although hasn't been great on tour it must be said), so imagine they don't see the need to "carry" a kicker and want Williams greater attacking potency.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 22, 2017, 12:15:08 PM
Well the above have said the exact same as me i.e. neither George nor Williams can get past Hartley or Halfpenny to claim a starting position on their respective national sides so I am not sure how that advances your argument.

Daly ok there can be a case made for him but Otoje's omission is a real shocker for me.

I can't be bothered KS. Another day pal.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tiempo on June 22, 2017, 12:23:08 PM
Well the above have said the exact same as me i.e. neither George nor Williams can get past Hartley or Halfpenny to claim a starting position on their respective national sides so I am not sure how that advances your argument.

Daly ok there can be a case made for him but Otoje's omission is a real shocker for me.

Itoje clearly being marked as a 20-30min impact sub, fair enough. Just a shame Alun Wyn made it, he's off form and old imo. Henderson didn't do enough to stake a claim, Launchbury will be peeved at missing out.

Itoje could've started with Henderson off the bench perhaps.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 22, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
Well the above have said the exact same as me i.e. neither George nor Williams can get past Hartley or Halfpenny to claim a starting position on their respective national sides so I am not sure how that advances your argument.

Daly ok there can be a case made for him but Otoje's omission is a real shocker for me.

Itoje clearly being marked as a 20-30min impact sub, fair enough. Just a shame Alun Wyn made it, he's off form and old imo. Henderson didn't do enough to stake a claim, Launchbury will be peeved at missing out.

Itoje could've started with Henderson off the bench perhaps.

Henderson suffered from a bad first game and hasn't just brought enough to it I think. Add to that the 2nd row is probably the Lions strongest line he will find it difficult to force his way into the Test squad I think.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Mikhailov on June 22, 2017, 04:19:00 PM
Well the above have said the exact same as me i.e. neither George nor Williams can get past Hartley or Halfpenny to claim a starting position on their respective national sides so I am not sure how that advances your argument.

Daly ok there can be a case made for him but Otoje's omission is a real shocker for me.

Itoje clearly being marked as a 20-30min impact sub, fair enough. Just a shame Alun Wyn made it, he's off form and old imo. Henderson didn't do enough to stake a claim, Launchbury will be peeved at missing out.

Itoje could've started with Henderson off the bench perhaps.

Henderson suffered from a bad first game and hasn't just brought enough to it I think. Add to that the 2nd row is probably the Lions strongest line he will find it difficult to force his way into the Test squad I think.

I felt Henderson has done as well as AWJ and also Henderson can play in back row and for this reason I expected him to in the 23. I think he will feature in a test jersey before the tour is over. He brings physicality and is good in the line out as well. However, AWJ should not have started ahead of Itoje - experience won that decision. Imagine the backlash in Wales if Gatland had selected a first 15 without AWJ, Warburton, North and Halfpenny !!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on June 22, 2017, 05:51:13 PM
One of Farrell or halfpenny has to play because the lions are relying on penalties to score and unfortunately sexton has missed some big kicks before
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 22, 2017, 05:55:28 PM
One of Farrell or halfpenny has to play because the lions are relying on penalties to score and unfortunately sexton has missed some big kicks before

I'd trust Sexton every time over Farrell.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 22, 2017, 07:53:35 PM
One of Farrell or halfpenny has to play because the lions are relying on penalties to score and unfortunately sexton has missed some big kicks before

I'd trust Sexton every time over Farrell.

Off the tee? Honestly?!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Taylor on June 22, 2017, 08:00:33 PM
How many games for club & country has Johnny played in versus how many there has been over the last year?
Seems he just hasn't been available for them.

Like him or loathe him Farrell is the main man going by last 12 months performances
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hound on June 23, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
How many games for club & country has Johnny played in versus how many there has been over the last year?
Seems he just hasn't been available for them.

Like him or loathe him Farrell is the main man going by last 12 months performances
Farrell's missed a few kicks on this tour. Usually preceeded by Miles Harrison saying he's a cert to get it!

Sexton's unfortunate that he wasnt let take the kicks last week. They all ended up being reasonably placed and if he'd got the full house, his overall display would have resulted in a lot more plaudits. But as he didn't, Farrell is the right choice. Hopefully Sexton will force his way in when he gets his chance.

I think POM capitain ahead of AWJ is a clear sign that the intention is Itoje will get the nod in the matches to come, unless AWJ has a stormer.

As for those criticising Jamie George, for me he's been the player of the tour so far in all the shadowboxing to date. England will definitely improve when he replaces the clown they have.

I have a fear the back up front row will struggle in late scrums.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on June 23, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
One of Farrell or halfpenny has to play because the lions are relying on penalties to score and unfortunately sexton has missed some big kicks before

I'd trust Sexton every time over Farrell.
farrells old man is helping to pick the team too so that helps him
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 23, 2017, 04:13:47 PM
Some nonsense talked on here about Farrell. He's a class act and so is his Da.

Jonny has missed plenty of kicks in his day.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 23, 2017, 05:01:53 PM
Farrell couldn't out-perform Sexton in the biggest game of 2017 with all the marbles on the line. Why anyone expects him to do it now is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on June 23, 2017, 06:23:27 PM
Farrell is a great penalty kicker that's why he's playing , the guy who keeps him out of the 10 shirt for England isn't even in the squad, the guy Farrell has the 12 shirt in front of for England is playing 12 for lions which must mean henshaw is 3rd choice 12 .
If the abs get in front the lions are in big trouble team and tactics not made to come from behind .
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on June 23, 2017, 07:43:22 PM
Some nonsense talked on here about Farrell. He's a class act and so is his Da.

Jonny has missed plenty of kicks in his day.

Good point..people seem to forget Sexton had a huge miss in the Ireland ABs game in Dublin in 2013 which would have put the game beyond the reach of the win for the ABs, which they eventually got with the last minute try and conversion

https://youtu.be/BH7BBUnjUAE
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 23, 2017, 09:21:29 PM
Some nonsense talked on here about Farrell. He's a class act and so is his Da.

Jonny has missed plenty of kicks in his day.

Good point..people seem to forget Sexton had a huge miss in the Ireland ABs game in Dublin in 2013 which would have put the game beyond the reach of the win for the ABs, which they eventually got with the last minute try and conversion

https://youtu.be/BH7BBUnjUAE
That was a heartbreaking defeat. Had it in the bag.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on June 24, 2017, 12:03:32 AM
Some nonsense talked on here about Farrell. He's a class act and so is his Da.

Jonny has missed plenty of kicks in his day.

Good point..people seem to forget Sexton had a huge miss in the Ireland ABs game in Dublin in 2013 which would have put the game beyond the reach of the win for the ABs, which they eventually got with the last minute try and conversion

https://youtu.be/BH7BBUnjUAE
That was a heartbreaking defeat. Had it in the bag.

Yeah..watching that youtube clip still hard to believe they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  Would have been great for BOD and POC (arguably two of Irelands greatest ever players) to been on the team that got the first ever win against the ABs.  Would have been great to beat them as well with McCaw skipper...the type of guy you would love on your team but I never liked him as an opposition.player.  A master of the dark arts of the game.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Boycey on June 24, 2017, 08:24:39 AM
Sky have really cranked up the bullshit this morning.

Let's just get this game on!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: dclane on June 24, 2017, 08:40:10 AM
Well the whole Lions thing is bullshit so its a perfect fit for Sky.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gawa316 on June 24, 2017, 09:33:20 AM
Good first half.

Lions need to take chances when they get but what a feckin try!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 24, 2017, 09:56:50 AM
Boom!! Different gravy Lions class but just not in the same league as NZ.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 24, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
Boom!! Different gravy Lions class but just not in the same league as NZ.

Lions class!? They've hardly had an attack all game. Are you listening to the sky commentary and not actually watching. Poor that this is the best 4 countries can produce. One good play is about all they e produced.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 24, 2017, 10:02:59 AM
Boom!! Different gravy Lions class but just not in the same league as NZ.

Some of the guys playing great but some are shocking. Kruis and Jones have been shite. Sammy George gifted 3 pts for being a lazy f#ck. The team have no chance if they are carrying about 5 passengers
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gawa316 on June 24, 2017, 10:16:03 AM
Done
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on June 24, 2017, 10:22:44 AM
Henshaw and Payne should play next day with the same back 3
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 24, 2017, 10:37:54 AM
Payne?! Williams and Davies were two of the Lions best players.

Kruis, AWJ will/should be dropped. Farrell was poor and should have been taken off instead of moving him to centre when Sexton came on.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gawa316 on June 24, 2017, 10:41:58 AM
Thought Te'o and Davis both have good games, can't see them being dropped
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 24, 2017, 10:42:58 AM
Payne?! Williams and Davies were two of the Lions best players.

Kruis, AWJ will/should be dropped. Farrell was poor and should have been taken off instead of moving him to centre when Sexton came on.

Kruis had an absolute mare.
The lions backs were alot better than i expected, but NZ are just operating at a level up.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 24, 2017, 10:45:28 AM
It was competitive for 50 mins or so but after that period of relatively loose back and forth in the second half, the Lions were goosed.

Pretty happy with h all the Irish performances.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: yellowcard on June 24, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
Overhyped representative match. Great honour for the players but apart from that it's just a corporate junket that needs scrapping. Two more heavy defeats will see the value of this series being questioned again.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: LCohen on June 24, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
Overhyped representative match. Great honour for the players but apart from that it's just a corporate junket that needs scrapping. Two more heavy defeats will see the value of this series being questioned again.
Over hyped. Sure is but so much modern sport is. Look at the mcgregor thing. Sky don't help

Representative match. Yes but what player would turn down the chance? What group of fans have not been debating results and performances for the last 12 months without some sort of a nod to the Lions. It's huge

Corporate junket- like most big sporting events it is.

Scrapping? Off your rocker son

2 more heavy defeats would see the value of northern hemisphere rugby being questioned, not the series. Otherwise it would be like a government looking at poor maths tests results and responding by getting rid of tests. That sort of thinking is plainly moronic
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 11:40:16 AM
Overhyped representative match. Great honour for the players but apart from that it's just a corporate junket that needs scrapping. Two more heavy defeats will see the value of this series being questioned again.
Over hyped. Sure is but so much modern sport is. Look at the mcgregor thing. Sky don't help

Representative match. Yes but what player would turn down the chance? What group of fans have not been debating results and performances for the last 12 months without some sort of a nod to the Lions. It's huge

Corporate junket- like most big sporting events it is.

Scrapping? Off your rocker son

2 more heavy defeats would see the value of northern hemisphere rugby being questioned, not the series. Otherwise it would be like a government looking at poor maths tests results and responding by getting rid of tests. That sort of thinking is plainly moronic

In fairness, apart from the idea of scrapping the Lions and the series itself being questioned, he has a point. The Lions are a wholly contrived concept. If Gatland wasn't there again I would want the Lions to win but because I want him to fall flat on his face, I hope they get whitewashed. A Lions tour victory means nothing when compared to national success and I would opt for a Grand Slam over a Lions tour victory any day of the week. That it is huge is undeniable but I find it extremely difficult to get passionate for.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 24, 2017, 12:03:16 PM
Representative sport is contrived period. That doesn't make it redundant. In rugby league, State of Origin is the very highest level the game is played at.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 12:05:38 PM
Representative sport is contrived period. That doesn't make it redundant. In rugby league, State of Origin is the very highest level the game is played at.

I still believe there is something far less contrived about representing the place where you were born than a jumble bag of nations.

I don't know anything about rugby league so I have to bow to your greater knowledge there.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 24, 2017, 12:28:03 PM
Representative sport is contrived period. That doesn't make it redundant. In rugby league, State of Origin is the very highest level the game is played at.

I still believe there is something far less contrived about representing the place where you were born than a jumble bag of nations.

I don't know anything about rugby league so I have to bow to your greater knowledge there.

Like what? Provincial rugby? International rugby? Very little in professional sport doors that description any more, not just the Lions.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 12:33:28 PM
Representative sport is contrived period. That doesn't make it redundant. In rugby league, State of Origin is the very highest level the game is played at.

I still believe there is something far less contrived about representing the place where you were born than a jumble bag of nations.

I don't know anything about rugby league so I have to bow to your greater knowledge there.

Like what? Provincial rugby? International rugby? Very little in professional sport doors that description any more, not just the Lions.

Although there are backdoor entries onto international teams, the overwhelming majority of them are made up in the main of players either born in or to parents from those countries. I'm not a fan of the live here for x number of years and you can represent the national team. That's contrived. I fail to see what is contrived about an elite athlete representing his own or his parents' country though.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on June 24, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
These daft attacks on the Lions concept by begrudgers is what's contrived. Everyone four years a few of them wake up only to go back to sleep again, as if anyone even listens to them. I don't understand the deep-rooted desire to knock a clearly popular concept.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 24, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
It's only daft in your opinion, everyone else is entitled to theirs.

The Lions is daft the same way the Ryder cup is daft. I'll watch it to see high quality rugby but I couldn't give a fiddler's if the Lions win or lose. I want to see the Irish lads do well and that's about the height of it.

Anyone you see singing the monotonous "Europe, Europe, Europe"at the Ryder cup or "Lions, lions, lions" is inevitably a complete knob.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 01:47:02 PM
These daft attacks on the Lions concept by begrudgers is what's contrived. Everyone four years a few of them wake up only to go back to sleep again, as if anyone even listens to them. I don't understand the deep-rooted desire to knock a clearly popular concept.

So being more into your own national team than a mix of four different countries is bedgrudgery? Grow up!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2017, 02:15:49 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on June 24, 2017, 02:22:43 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

lol i assume this is a wind up  ;D ;D ;D

pure twaddell
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: straightred on June 24, 2017, 02:46:16 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Call the doctor if you really believe all this.

I suppose you have to hand it to sky - they know how to take something, hype the sh*te out of it and make it somehow important. I just find it impossible to get excited about and the presence of Gatland doesn't help. It will be a 3-0 whitewash anyway. The team are only together for a few weeks and they're playing away to the best team in the world. Wonder what kind of money do the players get ?

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2017, 02:50:15 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: delgany on June 24, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
£70 000 a player. Plus win bonus  if they complete the tour
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2017, 05:44:44 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 06:13:49 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2017, 06:23:50 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.
I think it's fairly clear you're not familiar with elite-level sport.

My advice to you would be to go back and watch this morning's test match - then you'd be more qualified to comment about it.







Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.
I think it's fairly clear you're not familiar with elite-level sport.

My advice to you would be to go back and watch this morning's test match - then you'd be more qualified to comment about it.

I watched it thanks. I'd say I'm a bit more qualified than you though as you seem to think that this morning's match was a classic rather than the All Blacks giving the Lions a lesson in superiority which frankly is a pathetic judgement. The Lions were outclassed in every department by New Zealand this morning and anyone who didn't see that really should stop letting Sky and Stuart Barnes form their judgements for them.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 24, 2017, 09:23:00 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.

I would leave SA and Australia out of it. Ireland and England dont fluke results against these teams anymore in fact over the last 10 yrs they win more than they lose sure even scotland beat Oz last week but will not mention the welsh under gatland who have a crap record against the trinations. Only NZ are on a different level to the rest. This lions tour is interestng because its NZ. Cant see the point of tours to Aus or SA anymore when home nations can win them on their own.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on June 24, 2017, 09:34:50 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.
I think it's fairly clear you're not familiar with elite-level sport.

My advice to you would be to go back and watch this morning's test match - then you'd be more qualified to comment about it.

I watched it thanks. I'd say I'm a bit more qualified than you though as you seem to think that this morning's match was a classic rather than the All Blacks giving the Lions a lesson in superiority which frankly is a pathetic judgement. The Lions were outclassed in every department by New Zealand this morning and anyone who didn't see that really should stop letting Sky and Stuart Barnes form their judgements for them.

I wouldn't say they were outclassed in the two centre positions where teo and davies got the better of sbw and crotty and crottys replacement.  I also think they were as good if not better than the ABs at the lineout

The lions arguably created better scoring opportunities than the ABs but didn't take the chances.  There was nothing special for example about ioane 2nd try..a speculative kick and williams let it drop through hid hands and bounced straight to ioane for a sprint in to the line
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 24, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.

I would leave SA and Australia out of it. Ireland and England dont fluke results against these teams anymore in fact over the last 10 yrs they win more than they lose sure even scotland beat Oz last week but will not mention the welsh under gatland who have a crap record against the trinations. Only NZ are on a different level to the rest. This lions tour is interestng because its NZ. Cant see the point of tours to Aus or SA anymore when home nations can win them on their own.

How often do they beat those teams in their own back yard though?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on June 24, 2017, 11:10:15 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.

I would leave SA and Australia out of it. Ireland and England dont fluke results against these teams anymore in fact over the last 10 yrs they win more than they lose sure even scotland beat Oz last week but will not mention the welsh under gatland who have a crap record against the trinations. Only NZ are on a different level to the rest. This lions tour is interestng because its NZ. Cant see the point of tours to Aus or SA anymore when home nations can win them on their own.

How often do they beat those teams in their own back yard though?

Well england whitewashed Australia last yesr in Oz.  Scotland beat them.a few weeks ago.  Ireland beat SA in SA last summer
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2017, 11:29:30 PM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.
I think it's fairly clear you're not familiar with elite-level sport.

My advice to you would be to go back and watch this morning's test match - then you'd be more qualified to comment about it.

I watched it thanks. I'd say I'm a bit more qualified than you though as you seem to think that this morning's match was a classic rather than the All Blacks giving the Lions a lesson in superiority which frankly is a pathetic judgement. The Lions were outclassed in every department by New Zealand this morning and anyone who didn't see that really should stop letting Sky and Stuart Barnes form their judgements for them.

You really should watch it again, so, and stop thinking that others can't make their own judgements!





Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 25, 2017, 08:59:04 AM
Some sh1t being spewed in here again!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on June 25, 2017, 09:50:56 AM
I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.

I would leave SA and Australia out of it. Ireland and England dont fluke results against these teams anymore in fact over the last 10 yrs they win more than they lose sure even scotland beat Oz last week but will not mention the welsh under gatland who have a crap record against the trinations. Only NZ are on a different level to the rest. This lions tour is interestng because its NZ. Cant see the point of tours to Aus or SA anymore when home nations can win them on their own.

How often do they beat those teams in their own back yard though?

Well england whitewashed Australia last yesr in Oz.  Scotland beat them.a few weeks ago.  Ireland beat SA in SA last summer

Australia are weaker than they have been for a long time. Remember that it was seen as an achievement for the Lions to win the series there in 2013 so they have gone back a fair bit. Ireland beating South Africa once and Scotland doing the same to Australia doesn't mean it is a regular occurrence over there. There'll always be a bit of magic about a tour to New Zealand but it doesn't mean victories in the other SANZAR members are easy to come by.

I care more about the British Lions than the Irish team in the same way I care more about my county than my club in GAA, the same way I care more about my country than my club in association football, and the same way I care more about my continent than my country or individual players in golf.

A British Lions tour, particularly to New Zealand, is the very pinnacle of rugby and this morning's match certainly bore out that assertion. It was titanic stuff with 46 of the world's very best players doing battle at one of the great cathedrals of world rugby.

Add that to the history, tradition and folklore and it's small wonder that people care about it.

Presumably, in the same vein, you care more about the Railway Cup than Sam/Liam  ::)
Do any provincial GAA teams get 25,000 fans travelling to the far side of the globe to follow them?

Ah you're a gloryhunter fanboy... Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The sport I take most seriously is top quality, elite level sport, as is the case with most normal people.

That's what British Lions tours are.

They are the pinnacle of the sport.

The highest individual and/or team honour a player from the British Isles can achieve is to be part of a winning British Lions team.

Nobody takes the Railway Cup seriously, so you might want to address your criticism at the vast majority of inter-county players who don't bother their holes making themselves available for it.

The Lions tours are not the pinnacle of the sport. The World Cup is. Closely followed by the Rugby Championship. The Lions are the British Isles' admitting they can't win, apart from the odd fluke result, against SH opposition unless they all join forces. It's the epitome of an inferiority complex. At that, the Lions routinely get their arses handed to them.

You say you are more into international football than club football but then say you are into sport played at it's highest level. International football is not the highest level and hasn't been for at least twenty years. Since the big European clubs have been able to buy who they like, the Champions League dwarfs the World Cup. At World Cups there are invariably teams which don't bother which could compete.

In the GAA, if you think you're watching elite sport by supporting Roscommon... well... I'd say you'd do better to not bother at all if elite is all you're looking for.
I think it's fairly clear you're not familiar with elite-level sport.

My advice to you would be to go back and watch this morning's test match - then you'd be more qualified to comment about it.

I watched it thanks. I'd say I'm a bit more qualified than you though as you seem to think that this morning's match was a classic rather than the All Blacks giving the Lions a lesson in superiority which frankly is a pathetic judgement. The Lions were outclassed in every department by New Zealand this morning and anyone who didn't see that really should stop letting Sky and Stuart Barnes form their judgements for them.

You really should watch it again, so, and stop thinking that others can't make their own judgements!

Yeah OK, maybe if I rewatch it the Lions will win lmfao!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hound on June 26, 2017, 09:49:42 AM
I thought the first half was absolutely enthralling. NZ too good in the second.

The bang Liam Williams got seemed to be a big turning point. We went from being brilliant to being useless. The bandage being sloppily put on an covering a small part of his eye can't have helped! But presumably he was some way groggy to explain the change in his play.

I thought the Sky commentators were very silent on Owen Farrell's non-performance. His kicking has been slightly off all tour, and on that basis Sexton has to be a serious contender.

Looks like POM will be dropped. Was great in the lineout, but didnt do enough around the park. Not that Warburton did a whole heap when he came on, but he'll be back in and captain.

Itoje a definite starter next week, but other lock totally up for grabs.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 26, 2017, 10:50:10 AM
I thought the first half was absolutely enthralling. NZ too good in the second.

The bang Liam Williams got seemed to be a big turning point. We went from being brilliant to being useless. The bandage being sloppily put on an covering a small part of his eye can't have helped! But presumably he was some way groggy to explain the change in his play.

I thought the Sky commentators were very silent on Owen Farrell's non-performance. His kicking has been slightly off all tour, and on that basis Sexton has to be a serious contender.

Looks like POM will be dropped. Was great in the lineout, but didnt do enough around the park. Not that Warburton did a whole heap when he came on, but he'll be back in and captain.

Itoje a definite starter next week, but other lock totally up for grabs.

Kruis had a shocker. . . will they keep him in next week or is there a chink of light for Henderson?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on June 26, 2017, 10:56:17 AM
I thought the first half was absolutely enthralling. NZ too good in the second.

The bang Liam Williams got seemed to be a big turning point. We went from being brilliant to being useless. The bandage being sloppily put on an covering a small part of his eye can't have helped! But presumably he was some way groggy to explain the change in his play.

I thought the Sky commentators were very silent on Owen Farrell's non-performance. His kicking has been slightly off all tour, and on that basis Sexton has to be a serious contender.

Looks like POM will be dropped. Was great in the lineout, but didnt do enough around the park. Not that Warburton did a whole heap when he came on, but he'll be back in and captain.

Itoje a definite starter next week, but other lock totally up for grabs.

Kruis had a shocker. . . will they keep him in next week or is there a chink of light for Henderson?

Bench perhaps. Injury allowing surely Lawrs would be a starter
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 27, 2017, 09:53:19 AM
I thought the first half was absolutely enthralling. NZ too good in the second.

The bang Liam Williams got seemed to be a big turning point. We went from being brilliant to being useless. The bandage being sloppily put on an covering a small part of his eye can't have helped! But presumably he was some way groggy to explain the change in his play.

I thought the Sky commentators were very silent on Owen Farrell's non-performance. His kicking has been slightly off all tour, and on that basis Sexton has to be a serious contender.

Looks like POM will be dropped. Was great in the lineout, but didnt do enough around the park. Not that Warburton did a whole heap when he came on, but he'll be back in and captain.

Itoje a definite starter next week, but other lock totally up for grabs.

Kruis had a shocker. . . will they keep him in next week or is there a chink of light for Henderson?

Bench perhaps. Injury allowing surely Lawrs would be a starter

Sounds like Henderson is making a case for starting on Saturday!!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 27, 2017, 10:09:27 AM
Henderson in serious form tonight yet Lawes gets taken off after 50 mins!

Aye good stuff Gatland!  :o
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 27, 2017, 10:44:15 AM
Henderson great but picked up a yellow for a tip. Hopefully no citing...
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on June 27, 2017, 10:46:28 AM
The pick of 4 countries ( at least) can't beat the pick from 1 (at least)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on June 27, 2017, 10:48:15 AM
Henderson great but picked up a yellow for a tip. Hopefully no citing...
It was a very costly YC.  He was excellent up to that point in fairness to him.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on June 27, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
Henderson great but picked up a yellow for a tip. Hopefully no citing...
It was a very costly YC.  He was excellent up to that point in fairness to him.

He'll do well to escape a citing I can't see it happening.

PS. The front row played the full 80 minutes?? f**k off Gatland!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 27, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
The pick of 4 countries ( at least) can't beat the pick from 1 (at least)

Waaaaaahayyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 27, 2017, 03:19:26 PM
The pick of 4 countries ( at least) can't beat the pick from 1 (at least)

Waaaaaahayyyyyyyyyy

Really, how many Hurricanes are NZ nationals? 

BTW it was Lions second string forced to play whole game wi5h 1sub as the geographic 6 sat on 5)3 bench.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on June 27, 2017, 04:28:24 PM
The pick of 4 countries ( at least) can't beat the pick from 1 (at least)

Waaaaaahayyyyyyyyyy
was talking about the all blacks
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: dec on June 27, 2017, 07:41:55 PM
If the Lions lose that last two tests they will finish the tour with more losses than wins overall (4 wins, 1 draw, 5 losses)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 10:54:31 PM
Thats Hurricanes special one off jersey must be the worst jersey i have ever seen,
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gawa316 on June 29, 2017, 04:43:32 AM
Thoughts on what Gatland did abut the subs in the hurricanes game and his selection for the 2nd test?

Have to say I think he's an awful p***k
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 29, 2017, 06:16:52 AM
Thoughts on what Gatland did abut the subs in the hurricanes game and his selection for the 2nd test?

Have to say I think he's an awful p***k

In fairness to him, I think he was caught between a rock and a hard place. However, not using his bench ended up costing the winning of the game.

He was vilified four years ago dropping O'Driscoll and subsequently vindicated. Should have had the courage of his convictions to use the lads after calling them up.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 29, 2017, 08:14:44 AM
Sexton, Itoje and Warburton all in. Te'o drops to bench, O'Mahony and Kruis out of the squad.

Obviously biased but very, very harsh on O'Mahony in my opinion
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnneycool on June 29, 2017, 08:35:16 AM
Thoughts on what Gatland did abut the subs in the hurricanes game and his selection for the 2nd test?

Have to say I think he's an awful p***k

In fairness to him, I think he was caught between a rock and a hard place. However, not using his bench ended up costing the winning of the game.

He was vilified four years ago dropping O'Driscoll and subsequently vindicated. Should have had the courage of his convictions to use the lads after calling them up.

The rock and the hard place were all of his own doing. In this day and age what difference would it have made for a backup player to have flown from Argentina to NZ rather than someone from Australia, a few more hours on a plane.

Yes, he made one mistake then didn't have the balls to go through with it when he needed to. I'm sure those lads called up feel like the proverbial spare pricks at a wedding.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on June 29, 2017, 10:19:47 AM
Sexton, Itoje and Warburton all in. Te'o drops to bench, O'Mahony and Kruis out of the squad.

Obviously biased but very, very harsh on O'Mahony in my opinion

Agree very harsh on O'Mahony and IMO AW Jones is very very lucky to be on the 23 never mind starting, in the first test I thought he was very poor.  Not sure either on Sexton/Farrell at 10/12, they offered very little in the half hour they had at the end of the game the other day
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 29, 2017, 10:51:41 AM
Thoughts on what Gatland did abut the subs in the hurricanes game and his selection for the 2nd test?

Have to say I think he's an awful p***k

In fairness to him, I think he was caught between a rock and a hard place. However, not using his bench ended up costing the winning of the game.

He was vilified four years ago dropping O'Driscoll and subsequently vindicated. Should have had the courage of his convictions to use the lads after calling them up.

Vindicated?? I have said it before the Lions would have lost the series to Australia if Beale hadnt slipped the very same Australia team England then smashed 3-0 in Oz. Gatland is a poor coach his record against the southern hemisphere whilst Welsh boss is something ridiculous like won 1 lost 30 so how the feck did someone decide he was ever the best man for the job!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on June 29, 2017, 10:54:15 AM
They lost the second test. He made changes. They won the third. Vindication.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: The Trap on June 29, 2017, 11:24:11 AM
On Sky last night Johnny Wilkinson said he thought Ben Te'o was the Lions most important player...........now he is dropped.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 29, 2017, 11:39:15 AM
They lost the second test. He made changes. They won the third. Vindication.

I think the point is they should have cruised the series instead of scraping the first match and losing the second.

I double checked Gatlands record against the big 3 for a laugh played 36 won 3 lost 33. Desperate stuff compared to the other home nations records over the same period (althogh not great about 3/4 times better!!)
Scotland played 17 won 4 lost 13
England played 32 won 10 drawn 1 lost 21
Ireland played 24 won 7 drawn 1 lost 16

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 29, 2017, 11:42:15 AM
On Sky last night Johnny Wilkinson said he thought Ben Te'o was the Lions most important player...........now he is dropped.

Te'o is good at what he does ie direct and into contact with a solid defence (perfect for Gatland) unfortunatley he suffers from tunnel vision and is incapable of seeing an oppotunity open up around him.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on June 29, 2017, 11:59:21 AM
Like the Ryder cup I can't get excited by the Lions.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 01, 2017, 09:05:08 AM
Oh shit it's on!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gold on July 01, 2017, 09:05:46 AM
Straight red for Sonny Bill after 25 mins with sides level at 3 all
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gold on July 01, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
Game  ot over tho...talk is cheap bht it takes money to buy hat dags!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gerrykeegan on July 01, 2017, 09:07:58 AM
Dreadful attempt at a tackle, deserved to go
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 09:30:27 AM
Dreadful attempt at a tackle, deserved to go
He didn't make any attempt, just dropped the shoulder into the man's head. He can't have any argument.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 01, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Sonny Bill may be looking for Jim Gavin's number 🤔
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 09:55:15 AM
Pathetic second half performance.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 01, 2017, 09:56:53 AM
Lions have been poor since the sending off they don't seem to know what to do!!!

You would hope they can work this out!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on July 01, 2017, 09:57:40 AM
Embarrassing performance for a team with an extra man. The discipline has been absolutely shocking.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on July 01, 2017, 10:03:30 AM
Some great pressure kicking from Farrell there - not.

If nothing more this tour is fully exposing the fella it's about that lad.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on July 01, 2017, 10:09:48 AM
Murray on the other hand is a proper player..
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
Some great pressure kicking from Farrell there - not.

If nothing more this tour is fully exposing the fella it's about that lad.
LOL.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on July 01, 2017, 10:14:04 AM
Some great pressure kicking from Farrell there - not.

If nothing more this tour is fully exposing the fella it's about that lad.
LOL.

Are you watching the same match as everyone else, Tony? They're just running at Farrell all day and he shanked the Fallatau conversion as badly as a schoolboy. A world-class player would have the Lions leading here.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on July 01, 2017, 10:26:01 AM
No one tell the tubes who thinks the Lions don't matter.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 01, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
They did their best to lose it but eventually came good fair play!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2017, 10:27:04 AM
Beat a team by 3 playing against a team with 14 for 55mins, other way round there been 40 in it. Embarrassing they only won it by 3 to be honest. Listening to the RTE radio 1 you think they won the world cup lol
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
No one tell the tubes who thinks the Lions don't matter.

Lmfao... It doesn't take much to get you talking rubbish again. Running off at the mouth after scraping through against 14 men for 3/4 of the match  ::). No-one said the Lions don't matter, most people said they don't matter as much to them as their national team. Only a tube/fanboy would celebrate a Lions victory in NZ more than an Irish/Welsh/English/Scottish one. Don't get those Farrell and Faletau posters sticky now!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 01, 2017, 10:34:44 AM
Beating a team that hasn't lost at home in 47 matches is no bad achievement they won the match and that's all that was needed. 2 tries to 0 isn't bad either!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on July 01, 2017, 10:36:04 AM
Tried their best to f**k that up. Came good last 15m. Hard to see anything bother than a NZ win next week.

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on July 01, 2017, 10:40:02 AM
Seemed to be quite a bit of mouthiness at the end there. Don't think poking the bear is advisable. Sinckler looks to be a bit of a hot head. It took a few of the lads to hold him back from losing the penalty he'd won

Thought Murray and O'Brien were absolutely magnificent from the Irish lads.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
There be 20 plus in it next week, The only game of rugby I have ever seen a 14 man team win was Ireland against South Africa last year. There's a 95% win rate for teams playing against 14 men so I wouldn't poke the bear as you would say.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
Seemed to be quite a bit of mouthiness at the end there. Don't think poking the bear is advisable. Sinckler looks to be a bit of a hot head. It took a few of the lads to hold him back from losing the penalty he'd won

Thought Murray and O'Brien were absolutely magnificent from the Irish lads.

Looked like it was about to kick off at the end but calmed down quickly fortunately.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 01, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Seemed to be quite a bit of mouthiness at the end there. Don't think poking the bear is advisable. Sinckler looks to be a bit of a hot head. It took a few of the lads to hold him back from losing the penalty he'd won

Thought Murray and O'Brien were absolutely magnificent from the Irish lads.

Sinckler did well when he came on though, George was excellent. Murray and O'Brien very good but gave away a few penalties each as well. Thought Sexton did well too with limited ball and Vunipola shouldn't start the next day!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on July 01, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Winning in NZ pokes the bear a lot more than fücking handbags at the end. Assuming there's a bear in the first place is the problem.

NZ are mortal and we've seen that a few times over the last year.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on July 01, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
Beating 14 men with a team picked from 5 or 6 different countries?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on July 01, 2017, 12:06:37 PM
Or you could look at it as throwing together a team from the British Isles (or North West European Archipelago for the snowflakes), getting them to gel socially as well as professionally, coaching them and getting them  tactically to perform in a few weeks to beat an All Black's side. No mean feat really. 

The Sky fanboys in commentary would annoy you tho. All Black's are still better and will show it next week imo.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on July 01, 2017, 12:11:09 PM

The Sky fanboys in commentary would annoy you tho. All Black's are still better and will show it next week imo.

Watched the game with kiwi commentary on TSN. Much more enjoyable!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: ashman on July 01, 2017, 12:14:10 PM
NZ are not the team of a few years back but I still fancy them to win 3rd test .
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on July 01, 2017, 12:23:34 PM
An incredible morning of high drama that shows exactly why a British Lions test series is the pinnacle of rugby union football.

A Lions tour is all about finding those men of officer class that will stand up in a situation of adversity and drive the troops on to victory.

Stand up Officer Faletau, Officer Murray, Officer Farrell, Officer Sexton, Officer Williams, Officer George, Officer Watson, Officer Sinckler and Captain Warburton.

Last week some know-nothings said there was a huge gulf in class between the teams.

That's why they're know-nothings.

As with last week, we played the sparkling attacking rugby, we showed the inventiveness and flair. We played the game as it is meant to be played, not them.

It was a performance that is as proud and defiant a Wellington monument as anything that stands just off Chesterfield Avenue in Dublin's Phoenix Park.

That performance was for Sir Ian McGeechan, a true Lions legend and one of nature's gentlemen. Get well soon, Sir Ian.

Those who anything about history know that the British Lions have a 100% record in test series in New Zealand in which the latter two digits are 1 and 7. The weight of history is with us.

The prospect of Eden Park next Saturday is now a truly tantalising one.



Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2017, 12:47:34 PM
Feel emotional.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 01:01:43 PM
Feel emotional.
Tyrone 03, 05, 08; Lions 17.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on July 01, 2017, 04:26:29 PM
An incredible morning of high drama that shows exactly why a British Lions test series is the pinnacle of rugby union football.

A Lions tour is all about finding those men of officer class that will stand up in a situation of adversity and drive the troops on to victory.

Stand up Officer Faletau, Officer Murray, Officer Farrell, Officer Sexton, Officer Williams, Officer George, Officer Watson, Officer Sinckler and Captain Warburton.

Last week some know-nothings said there was a huge gulf in class between the teams.

That's why they're know-nothings.

As with last week, we played the sparkling attacking rugby, we showed the inventiveness and flair. We played the game as it is meant to be played, not them.

It was a performance that is as proud and defiant a Wellington monument as anything that stands just off Chesterfield Avenue in Dublin's Phoenix Park.

That performance was for Sir Ian McGeechan, a true Lions legend and one of nature's gentlemen. Get well soon, Sir Ian.

Those who anything about history know that the British Lions have a 100% record in test series in New Zealand in which the latter two digits are 1 and 7. The weight of history is with us.

The prospect of Eden Park next Saturday is now a truly tantalising one.
top class old boy top class 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: laoislad on July 01, 2017, 04:30:17 PM
Feel emotional.
Tyrone 03, 05, 08; Lions 17.
I'm nearly as excited as that time the combined Northern Ireland and Ireland rugby team beat a reserve New Zealand  team in a pre season friendly.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: nrico2006 on July 01, 2017, 04:46:53 PM
I'd rather Farrell hitting the kicks than Sexton though. I heard the commentator saying that the last few minutes were the biggest of these players careers? Surely, a big six nations decider or world cup game is more important than when you win as part of an amalgamation of 4 of the top 7 teams in the world against the number 1?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on July 01, 2017, 04:57:32 PM
An incredible morning of high drama that shows exactly why a British Lions test series is the pinnacle of rugby union football.

A Lions tour is all about finding those men of officer class that will stand up in a situation of adversity and drive the troops on to victory.

Stand up Officer Faletau, Officer Murray, Officer Farrell, Officer Sexton, Officer Williams, Officer George, Officer Watson, Officer Sinckler and Captain Warburton.

Last week some know-nothings said there was a huge gulf in class between the teams.

That's why they're know-nothings.

As with last week, we played the sparkling attacking rugby, we showed the inventiveness and flair. We played the game as it is meant to be played, not them.

It was a performance that is as proud and defiant a Wellington monument as anything that stands just off Chesterfield Avenue in Dublin's Phoenix Park.

That performance was for Sir Ian McGeechan, a true Lions legend and one of nature's gentlemen. Get well soon, Sir Ian.

Those who anything about history know that the British Lions have a 100% record in test series in New Zealand in which the latter two digits are 1 and 7. The weight of history is with us.

The prospect of Eden Park next Saturday is now a truly tantalising one.

You forgot the main man. Sean O'Brien.
As for the win. Let's not kid ourselves. If SBW doesn't get sent off the lions don't win
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: stew on July 01, 2017, 05:00:05 PM
An incredible morning of high drama that shows exactly why a British Lions test series is the pinnacle of rugby union football.

A Lions tour is all about finding those men of officer class that will stand up in a situation of adversity and drive the troops on to victory.

Stand up Officer Faletau, Officer Murray, Officer Farrell, Officer Sexton, Officer Williams, Officer George, Officer Watson, Officer Sinckler and Captain Warburton.

Last week some know-nothings said there was a huge gulf in class between the teams.

That's why they're know-nothings.

As with last week, we played the sparkling attacking rugby, we showed the inventiveness and flair. We played the game as it is meant to be played, not them.

It was a performance that is as proud and defiant a Wellington monument as anything that stands just off Chesterfield Avenue in Dublin's Phoenix Park.

That performance was for Sir Ian McGeechan, a true Lions legend and one of nature's gentlemen. Get well soon, Sir Ian.

Those who anything about history know that the British Lions have a 100% record in test series in New Zealand in which the latter two digits are 1 and 7. The weight of history is with us.

The prospect of Eden Park next Saturday is now a truly tantalising one.

You forgot the main man. Sean O'Brien.
As for the win. Let's not kid ourselves. If SBW doesn't get sent off the lions don't win

How do you know?

It would have been a rout only for the amount of penalties the Lions gave up ij the second half! see how that works?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on July 01, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
An incredible morning of high drama that shows exactly why a British Lions test series is the pinnacle of rugby union football.

A Lions tour is all about finding those men of officer class that will stand up in a situation of adversity and drive the troops on to victory.

Stand up Officer Faletau, Officer Murray, Officer Farrell, Officer Sexton, Officer Williams, Officer George, Officer Watson, Officer Sinckler and Captain Warburton.

Last week some know-nothings said there was a huge gulf in class between the teams.

That's why they're know-nothings.

As with last week, we played the sparkling attacking rugby, we showed the inventiveness and flair. We played the game as it is meant to be played, not them.

It was a performance that is as proud and defiant a Wellington monument as anything that stands just off Chesterfield Avenue in Dublin's Phoenix Park.

That performance was for Sir Ian McGeechan, a true Lions legend and one of nature's gentlemen. Get well soon, Sir Ian.

Those who anything about history know that the British Lions have a 100% record in test series in New Zealand in which the latter two digits are 1 and 7. The weight of history is with us.

The prospect of Eden Park next Saturday is now a truly tantalising one.

You forgot the main man. Sean O'Brien.
As for the win. Let's not kid ourselves. If SBW doesn't get sent off the lions don't win

How do you know?

It would have been a rout only for the amount of penalties the Lions gave up ij the second half! see how that works?

Do you think they would have won? I'm very happy they won I'm just being realistic. I wouldn't be that confident of winning next week but hop I am wrong
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: gallsman on July 01, 2017, 06:39:04 PM
I'd rather Farrell hitting the kicks than Sexton though. I heard the commentator saying that the last few minutes were the biggest of these players careers? Surely, a big six nations decider or world cup game is more important than when you win as part of an amalgamation of 4 of the top 7 teams in the world against the number 1?

It's Sky Sports in fairness. Everything they show is THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 02, 2017, 01:35:44 AM
Let's not kid ourselves. If SBW doesn't get sent off the lions don't win

I don't understand that thinking. So what? He did get sent off.

SBW comes as a package - his excellent off loads are one aspect of that; his indiscipline is another. The All Blacks chose to use that package by picking him and it went to their advantage last week with a win - this week it backfired spectacularly.  His sending off is the All Blacks' problem, not that of the Lions.

Have to say I'm just glad the ref had the nads to issue the red - I thought Jaco Peyper (sp?) was trying to influence him to issue a yellow in the discussion and I also thought the TV official was doing likewise.   
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 02, 2017, 05:13:24 AM
How penalties has Vunipola given away in the 2 tests?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on July 02, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
Let's not kid ourselves. If SBW doesn't get sent off the lions don't win

I don't understand that thinking. So what? He did get sent off.

SBW comes as a package - his excellent off loads are one aspect of that; his indiscipline is another. The All Blacks chose to use that package by picking him and it went to their advantage last week with a win - this week it backfired spectacularly.  His sending off is the All Blacks' problem, not that of the Lions.

Have to say I'm just glad the ref had the nads to issue the red - I thought Jaco Peyper (sp?) was trying to influence him to issue a yellow in the discussion and I also thought the TV official was doing likewise.

It's an opinion and I happen to think he correct one. The ABs have proven over and over again that when they play in NZ with 15 players they win. Regardless he did get sent off and the lions did win.
Now, any word on Sean O'Brien?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 02, 2017, 09:06:40 AM
It's an opinion and I happen to think he correct one. The ABs have proven over and over again that when they play in NZ with 15 players they win. Regardless he did get sent off and the lions did win.

The ABs did have fifteen players - the fact that they lost one is down to the player they entrusted with the job. Their call, which proved a serious misjudgment. They fell down.

I get a sense you wouldn't be as keen to highlight an 'if' where the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, I'm just glad the ref didn't bottle the call as Roman Poite did in Pretoria in the pivotal second test in 2009 when Burger (sp?) gouged Luke Fitzgerald in the opening minutes in front of the line judge. 

Now, any word on Sean O'Brien?

A colossus.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on July 02, 2017, 10:21:58 AM
It's an opinion and I happen to think he correct one. The ABs have proven over and over again that when they play in NZ with 15 players they win. Regardless he did get sent off and the lions did win.

The ABs did have fifteen players - the fact that they lost one is down to the player they entrusted with the job. Their call, which proved a serious misjudgment. They fell down.

I get a sense you wouldn't be as keen to highlight an 'if' where the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, I'm just glad the ref didn't bottle the call as Roman Poite did in Pretoria in the pivotal second test in 2009 when Burger (sp?) gouged Luke Fitzgerald in the opening minutes in front of the line judge. 

Now, any word on Sean O'Brien?

A colossus.

The all blacks lost a man after 25 mins and played the majority of the game with 14 men.
I have highlighted ifs for teams I support in the past.
SOB is indeed a colossus but he was having a hearing today due to being cited. Any word on that
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on July 02, 2017, 01:02:42 PM
It's all good. He wasn't banned.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: LCohen on July 02, 2017, 01:45:09 PM
Let's not kid ourselves. If SBW doesn't get sent off the lions don't win

I don't understand that thinking. So what? He did get sent off.

SBW comes as a package - his excellent off loads are one aspect of that; his indiscipline is another. The All Blacks chose to use that package by picking him and it went to their advantage last week with a win - this week it backfired spectacularly.  His sending off is the All Blacks' problem, not that of the Lions.

Have to say I'm just glad the ref had the nads to issue the red - I thought Jaco Peyper (sp?) was trying to influence him to issue a yellow in the discussion and I also thought the TV official was doing likewise.

Spot on. Game was well refereed. Discipline is a key part of the game. AB indiscipline cost them a player. BIL  indiscipline cost them a shed load of points
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2017, 03:34:56 PM
Whos depending on the Lions winning next week 15 on 15, saying we over the moon beating 14 men, it been a disgrace if they didnt win,
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: LCohen on July 02, 2017, 04:18:45 PM
Whos depending on the Lions winning next week 15 on 15, saying we over the moon beating 14 men, it been a disgrace if they didnt win,

I would guess the failure to get any advantage out of the extra man in the second quarter and the tactical and disciplinary implosion in the third will be the focus of the preparation this week.

But they got there in the end this week and whilst it took a while to come it is surely a good thing?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 02, 2017, 07:34:40 PM
Romain Poite the ref for next week, most of the Lions will be used to him.

Sean O'Brien thankfully no punishment post-citing.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Main Street on July 02, 2017, 11:15:45 PM
I didn't think there was enough there for O'Brien's indiscretion to be cited.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: TheOptimist on July 02, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
Whos depending on the Lions winning next week 15 on 15, saying we over the moon beating 14 men, it been a disgrace if they didnt win,

Am I right in saying the first try was scored when it was 14v14?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hound on July 03, 2017, 08:28:02 AM
I didn't think there was enough there for O'Brien's indiscretion to be cited.
It was a caught on camera and the NZ lad had to go for a HIA, and didn't return. Not too often the citing commissioner gets over-ruled, but thankfully this was one of them.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on July 03, 2017, 09:46:58 AM
An incredible morning of high drama that shows exactly why a British Lions test series is the pinnacle of rugby union football.

A Lions tour is all about finding those men of officer class that will stand up in a situation of adversity and drive the troops on to victory.

Stand up Officer Faletau, Officer Murray, Officer Farrell, Officer Sexton, Officer Williams, Officer George, Officer Watson, Officer Sinckler and Captain Warburton.

Last week some know-nothings said there was a huge gulf in class between the teams.

That's why they're know-nothings.

As with last week, we played the sparkling attacking rugby, we showed the inventiveness and flair. We played the game as it is meant to be played, not them.

It was a performance that is as proud and defiant a Wellington monument as anything that stands just off Chesterfield Avenue in Dublin's Phoenix Park.

That performance was for Sir Ian McGeechan, a true Lions legend and one of nature's gentlemen. Get well soon, Sir Ian.

Those who anything about history know that the British Lions have a 100% record in test series in New Zealand in which the latter two digits are 1 and 7. The weight of history is with us.

The prospect of Eden Park next Saturday is now a truly tantalising one.
What tosh, the All Blacks will wipe them out with 15 men.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: NAG1 on July 03, 2017, 09:53:18 AM
An incredible morning of high drama that shows exactly why a British Lions test series is the pinnacle of rugby union football.

A Lions tour is all about finding those men of officer class that will stand up in a situation of adversity and drive the troops on to victory.

Stand up Officer Faletau, Officer Murray, Officer Farrell, Officer Sexton, Officer Williams, Officer George, Officer Watson, Officer Sinckler and Captain Warburton.

Last week some know-nothings said there was a huge gulf in class between the teams.

That's why they're know-nothings.

As with last week, we played the sparkling attacking rugby, we showed the inventiveness and flair. We played the game as it is meant to be played, not them.

It was a performance that is as proud and defiant a Wellington monument as anything that stands just off Chesterfield Avenue in Dublin's Phoenix Park.

That performance was for Sir Ian McGeechan, a true Lions legend and one of nature's gentlemen. Get well soon, Sir Ian.

Those who anything about history know that the British Lions have a 100% record in test series in New Zealand in which the latter two digits are 1 and 7. The weight of history is with us.

The prospect of Eden Park next Saturday is now a truly tantalising one.
What tosh, the All Blacks will wipe them out with 15 men.

Christ I have read some crap on this board over the years but this is up there with the best of it.

Sounds like the sh*t that Sky have Greenwood and Quinnell spouting before each of the games, sickening empty promo talk.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
Think he's on the wind lads and yous took the bait!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: NAG1 on July 03, 2017, 10:17:15 AM
Think he's on the wind lads and yous took the bait!

Yeah that may be the case, but my wider point is that Sky are sickening my happiness with the over hype of it all.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 10:20:39 AM
Think he's on the wind lads and yous took the bait!

Yeah that may be the case, but my wider point is that Sky are sickening my happiness with the over hype of it all.

Maybe dont turn on Sky Sports or watch the rugby if it is sickening your happiness - first world problems

Great catch Sid....surprised anyone fell for it mind
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2017, 10:21:45 AM
Its not just rugby lads. Jeez the hype around top 4 in the premiership - tosh!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 10:25:42 AM
Take it for what it is lads.

Sky have been doing it for 25 years now so it is nothing new.

How I wish our own national broadcaster would try to sell our own games rather than spend time telling everyone how shite the games are or who should get suspended this week
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2017, 10:30:30 AM
Take it for what it is lads.

Sky have been doing it for 25 years now so it is nothing new.

How I wish our own national broadcaster would try to sell our own games rather than spend time telling everyone how shite the games are or who should get suspended this week

+1 and a few decent camera angles!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2017, 10:35:25 AM
Take it for what it is lads.

Sky have been doing it for 25 years now so it is nothing new.

How I wish our own national broadcaster would try to sell our own games rather than spend time telling everyone how shite the games are or who should get suspended this week

+1 and a few decent camera angles!!

Ah here, you don't want to be doing that. That'll take away from the suspense of wondering where the ball went when watching the hurling especially if theres a block down and the cameraman didn't spot it.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2017, 11:54:26 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/god-help-us-all-if-the-lions-actually-win-next-saturday-1.3141198
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Orior on July 03, 2017, 12:26:54 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/god-help-us-all-if-the-lions-actually-win-next-saturday-1.3141198

Not a snowball's chance in hell. The all-blacks were instructed to lose last weekend so as to keep the public interest up and maximise revenues for the marketeers.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 05, 2017, 09:10:13 AM
Jordie Barrett expected to start at FB on Saturday. Could end up goal kicking too ahead of Beauden.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
Lions out daytripping and pinting 4 days before the biggest game they could possibly have had.

Who thought that would be a good idea in any shape or form?

NZ by at least 15pts
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 05, 2017, 10:30:50 AM
Lions out daytripping and pinting 4 days before the biggest game they could possibly have had.

Who thought that would be a good idea in any shape or form?

NZ by at least 15pts

You'd know more about a fish supper!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2017, 10:46:34 AM
Lions out daytripping and pinting 4 days before the biggest game they could possibly have had.

Who thought that would be a good idea in any shape or form?

NZ by at least 15pts

You'd know more about a fish supper!

Probably would.
But still don't think drinking 4 days before a big game is advisable
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 05, 2017, 10:47:13 AM
Lions out daytripping and pinting 4 days before the biggest game they could possibly have had.

Who thought that would be a good idea in any shape or form?

NZ by at least 15pts

You'd know more about a fish supper!

Probably would.
But still don't think drinking 4 days before a big game is advisable

Who's drinking? Photos to confirm?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on July 05, 2017, 11:23:12 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/god-help-us-all-if-the-lions-actually-win-next-saturday-1.3141198

Not a snowball's chance in hell. The all-blacks were instructed to lose last weekend so as to keep the public interest up and maximise revenues for the marketeers.
Indeed they were - just like Kilkenny were instructed to lose to Wexford in a similarly Sky Sports-broadcast match so the GAA could generate a bit of interest and profit from the resulting bumper, 60k plus crowd at the Leinster hurling final.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2017, 12:06:29 PM
Lions out daytripping and pinting 4 days before the biggest game they could possibly have had.

Who thought that would be a good idea in any shape or form?

NZ by at least 15pts

You'd know more about a fish supper!

Being the know all you are I assumed you would already know this and wouldn't need photos.

Widely available online
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 05, 2017, 12:24:07 PM
Ben Teo'o sipping a beer is all I saw.

As far as I know PL footballers and AFL players have a 4 day drink ban pre games.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 05, 2017, 01:33:54 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/god-help-us-all-if-the-lions-actually-win-next-saturday-1.3141198

Not a snowball's chance in hell. The all-blacks were instructed to lose last weekend so as to keep the public interest up and maximise revenues for the marketeers.
Indeed they were - just like Kilkenny were instructed to lose to Wexford in a similarly Sky Sports-broadcast match so the GAA could generate a bit of interest and profit from the resulting bumper, 60k plus crowd at the Leinster hurling final.
Not forgetting the teams who Sky bribed to let Leicester win the EPL.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2017, 08:53:04 PM
Unchanged team and subs for Saturday. Thought McGrath might get in ahead of Vunipola
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 05, 2017, 08:57:46 PM
Unchanged team and subs for Saturday. Thought McGrath might get in ahead of Vunipola
He should have.
Vunipola was very poor last day out and might have offered a bit of impact off the bench.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: ashman on July 07, 2017, 09:18:45 PM
Unchanged team and subs for Saturday. Thought McGrath might get in ahead of Vunipola

Immortality beckons for a number of Irishmen tomorrow .  The Lions are massive underdogs but can do it .
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: oakleaflad on July 07, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
Unchanged team and subs for Saturday. Thought McGrath might get in ahead of Vunipola

Immortality beckons for a number of Irishmen tomorrow .  The Lions are massive underdogs but can do it .
::)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
As much as this is a big game its aint at the level of a quarter / semi / final world cup game even though the media is trying to convince you different, I can name every world cup winner and losing finalist, probably semi`s to, i couldn't name Lions results pre 1993 and some since wouldn't be 100 % sure either.
The big bad bear to turn up, New Zealand to win by 15-20 even with a inexperienced back line and a team not an inch on their 2015 world cup team
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 08, 2017, 08:07:32 AM
Britain & Ireland expects. Go Lions.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on July 08, 2017, 08:53:07 AM
Owen Farrell having an absolute stinker ffs
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 09:50:22 AM
Not happy with yellow for that. It was poorly timed, no intent to hurt the player.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
Do the Lions have what it takes? Are they Limerick or Offaly?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on July 08, 2017, 10:34:33 AM
Rhys Webb had a chance to put Cj Stander away but held on to the ball and got tackled. It could have cost the Lions the match.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
Great time game but very poor handling tonight, All-Blacks left 3 tries out there plus some woeful kicking, dont see the difference between Kaino yellow and the forearm from O`Brien resulting in nothing last week
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2017, 10:37:31 AM
Big result for Gatland.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 08, 2017, 10:39:47 AM
Furlong missed in the final 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Main Street on July 08, 2017, 10:48:46 AM
,dont see the difference between Kaino yellow and the forearm from O`Brien resulting in nothing last week
The obvious difference was visibility, Kaino's was clear enough.
The video evidence was not clear against O'Brien, that's why he got off, he couldn't be done on a presumption that he must have done something bad.

I'm glad I woke up for the game, though I dozed off a few times, but in the end the doughty immortal spirit of the Lions made for a  gripping finale.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 10:55:40 AM
No doubt both teams feel the disappointment of not having won the series, and there is a certain hollow feeling to the thing. But it is great to see two teams, who have given everything and have basically killed each other for three weeks, mixing together at the end. There's a certain sporting romance to that which is difficult to imagine in soccer.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Ref chickened out of the penalty call at the end, never seen a few change his mind twice before
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 11:16:01 AM
Ref chickened out of the penalty call at the end, never seen a few change his mind twice before

His choice of language "we've got a deal" didn't sound good.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Mikhailov on July 08, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
Ref chickened out of the penalty call at the end, never seen a few change his mind twice before

His choice of language "we've got a deal" didn't sound good.

Poor decision at the end and also for yellow card. Kaino arm was already in position for the tackle with minimal intent but he sees the bin. Can you imagine the uproar from SKY if them 2 calls had went against the Lions!! In saying that, there was no guarantee that Barrett would have scored it - his younger brother looks the real deal however. SKY would sicken your enjoyment sometimes - the hype machine was on full power this morning
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on July 08, 2017, 11:50:53 AM
Poor refereeing decisions against the all blacks and both at crucial times. Farrell should have went to the corner at the end. What good was a drawn series?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on July 08, 2017, 11:56:04 AM
A truly epic finale to a series that will live forever in history.

An hour and a half after the match ended and I'm still shaking.

Every bit of hype that surrounded this series was justified and then some.

The two greatest teams in world rugby threw everything, more than everything, at each other and still couldn't be separated.

We saw the very pinnacle of the game of rugby football today.

This, as Jim Telfer once said, was the British Lions' Everest. Today they are Sherpa Tenzing Norgay. They have arrived at the summit hand in hand with the New Zealanders. And half the DHL Cup can be couriered back home to sit alongside the Tom Richards Cup won in 2013.

My how this team and squad has grown. Credit to Gatty for creating a wonderful spirit in the camp. There were no Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen or Scotchmen out there today. There were only Lions and they were our Lions. I cheered as much for the brilliant Jonathan Davies, the indomitable Anthony Watson, the force of nature that is Maro Itoje and the hapless turned clutch Owen Farrell as I did for Jonny Sexton, Conor Murray or Sean O'Brien.

The great sporting spectacles always carry the possibility of a draw. The Charity Shield (it'll always be the Charity Shield) the Ashes, the Ryder Cup, fixed world title boxing fights, and, of course, a British Lions test series.

This series has been the sporting equivalent of The Italian Job.

A true classic where our British boys went abroad to bring home the prize against the odds. An exhilarating plot which built up to an incredible climax which was cut just as we were on the verge of finding out who would prevail.

It feels incredibly frustrating right now after three titanic tests, but I guess this is how it is meant to be.

And in time, as with the 1968 classic, we'll come to appreciate the unconventional beauty of the ending.

We'll never know what would have happened had it gone on, and that's the genius of it.

This series is about the result, of course it is, but its also about the legacy left behind. The legacy of courage, skill, flair and refusal to give in, ever. And that legacy will be a very rich one.

This team has well and truly put the pride in "pride of Lions".

We are privileged to have witnessed this tour and these test matches.

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 12:27:04 PM
A truly epic finale to a series that will live forever in history.

An hour and a half after the match ended and I'm still shaking.

Every bit of hype that surrounded this series was justified and then some.

The two greatest teams in world rugby threw everything, more than everything, at each other and still couldn't be separated.

We saw the very pinnacle of the game of rugby football today.

This, as Jim Telfer once said, was the British Lions' Everest. Today they are Sherpa Tenzing Norgay. They have arrived at the summit hand in hand with the New Zealanders. And half the DHL Cup can be couriered back home to sit alongside the Tom Richards Cup won in 2013.

My how this team and squad has grown. Credit to Gatty for creating a wonderful spirit in the camp. There were no Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen or Scotchmen out there today. There were only Lions and they were our Lions. I cheered as much for the brilliant Jonathan Davies, the indomitable Anthony Watson, the force of nature that is Maro Itoje and the hapless turned clutch Owen Farrell as I did for Jonny Sexton, Conor Murray or Sean O'Brien.

The great sporting spectacles always carry the possibility of a draw. The Charity Shield (it'll always be the Charity Shield) the Ashes, the Ryder Cup, fixed world title boxing fights, and, of course, a British Lions test series.

This series has been the sporting equivalent of The Italian Job.

A true classic where our British boys went abroad to bring home the prize against the odds. An exhilarating plot which built up to an incredible climax which was cut just as we were on the verge of finding out who would prevail.

It feels incredibly frustrating right now after three titanic tests, but I guess this is how it is meant to be.

And in time, as with the 1968 classic, we'll come to appreciate the unconventional beauty of the ending.

We'll never know what would have happened had it gone on, and that's the genius of it.

This series is about the result, of course it is, but its also about the legacy left behind. The legacy of courage, skill, flair and refusal to give in, ever. And that legacy will be a very rich one.

This team has well and truly put the pride in "pride of Lions".

We are privileged to have witnessed this tour and these test matches.

Eh?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on July 08, 2017, 01:00:24 PM
Fair play to you Sid congrats my man. You'll take a few beers to celebrate tonight?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on July 08, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
That must have upset a few here anyways. Lolz.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 08, 2017, 01:07:45 PM
Brevity. Hugely underrated
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 01:14:59 PM
That must have upset a few here anyways. Lolz.

Nah... I wouldn't think so... Didn't see anyone on here supporting against the Lions, just the majority aren't fanboys with posters of Itoje on their bedroom walls and will happily go back to supporting the bigger picture, their national team, whilst the drooling sychophants who like to pretend that Lions' tours are bigger than the World Cup will retreat back to their caves for the next four years. Lolz lolz.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Main Street on July 08, 2017, 01:31:26 PM
Fair play to you Sid congrats my man. You'll take a few beers to celebrate tonight?
You do realise that this is Sid?



 
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 01:53:38 PM
Fair play to you Sid congrats my man. You'll take a few beers to celebrate tonight?
You do realise that this is Sid?




Alf!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JoG2 on July 08, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
That was some game of rugby this morning. Lions rode their luck at times with a few uncharacteristic spillages from the ABs. After a woeful start, Farl showed some nerve to land those penalties
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 08, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
I'm curious to know how big rugby fans feel about the lions tours in general. For me I think it's a load of nonsense. I'm not anti English, Welsh or Scottish but I just couldn't bring myself to be a fan of this team. If it was 4 complete underdogs combining to play the far and away best team in the world I might feel differently but that is simple not the case. England are Ireland are ranked in the top 4 with Wales and Scotland not far behind. If we think of a GAA equivalent it would be something like Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and Cork amalgamating to play the dubs. If they could only draw with the dubs in a 3 game series, it would be an embarassment
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Dire Ear on July 08, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
That's what I would also think Hoes
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hardy on July 08, 2017, 02:47:44 PM
A truly epic finale to a series that will live forever in history.

An hour and a half after the match ended and I'm still shaking.

Every bit of hype that surrounded this series was justified and then some.

The two greatest teams in world rugby threw everything, more than everything, at each other and still couldn't be separated.

We saw the very pinnacle of the game of rugby football today.

This, as Jim Telfer once said, was the British Lions' Everest. Today they are Sherpa Tenzing Norgay. They have arrived at the summit hand in hand with the New Zealanders. And half the DHL Cup can be couriered back home to sit alongside the Tom Richards Cup won in 2013.

My how this team and squad has grown. Credit to Gatty for creating a wonderful spirit in the camp. There were no Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen or Scotchmen out there today. There were only Lions and they were our Lions. I cheered as much for the brilliant Jonathan Davies, the indomitable Anthony Watson, the force of nature that is Maro Itoje and the hapless turned clutch Owen Farrell as I did for Jonny Sexton, Conor Murray or Sean O'Brien.

The great sporting spectacles always carry the possibility of a draw. The Charity Shield (it'll always be the Charity Shield) the Ashes, the Ryder Cup, fixed world title boxing fights, and, of course, a British Lions test series.

This series has been the sporting equivalent of The Italian Job.

A true classic where our British boys went abroad to bring home the prize against the odds. An exhilarating plot which built up to an incredible climax which was cut just as we were on the verge of finding out who would prevail.

It feels incredibly frustrating right now after three titanic tests, but I guess this is how it is meant to be.

And in time, as with the 1968 classic, we'll come to appreciate the unconventional beauty of the ending.

We'll never know what would have happened had it gone on, and that's the genius of it.

This series is about the result, of course it is, but its also about the legacy left behind. The legacy of courage, skill, flair and refusal to give in, ever. And that legacy will be a very rich one.

This team has well and truly put the pride in "pride of Lions".

We are privileged to have witnessed this tour and these test matches.


Spot on Sid.

British and Irish till I die.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2017, 03:22:23 PM
british and irish, u sure u a meath man and not from northern ireland. The game was a tight and exciting game abit like derry and mayo last week but like last week the standard of finishing. control etc was very poor in dry conditions, if D Carter was still playing NZ won handy previous game too.Take in the fact that B Smith, D Coles, SBW, NMS, R Loane, R Crotty were missing so its not even the strongest all blacks team currently they had  The all-blacks are in transition but their back line will get all the experience it needs in the next 2 yrs to made another tilt at the world cup

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 08, 2017, 04:28:35 PM
forgot it was on tbh

the GAA cute hoors love the draw.
when's the replay?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: theticklemister on July 08, 2017, 04:35:41 PM
Our British boys lol
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hardy on July 08, 2017, 04:52:30 PM
I have to say there was a lump in my throat when the heroic Britain and Ireland captain scorned the easy option of going for a win with the last penalty and, scoffing in the face of mediocrity, called up the intrepid Owen Farrell, beloved all over Britain-Ireland, to take the game by the scruff of the scrotum and go all-out for the draw.

I nearly burst with pride for our sister islands when it sailed over and the daring draw was all but assured. It warms the cockles of the heart to see gallantry so richly rewarded and doubly so when the achievement is wrought by lads from your own archipelago.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Mikhailov on July 08, 2017, 05:56:29 PM
A truly epic finale to a series that will live forever in history.

An hour and a half after the match ended and I'm still shaking.

Every bit of hype that surrounded this series was justified and then some.

The two greatest teams in world rugby threw everything, more than everything, at each other and still couldn't be separated.

We saw the very pinnacle of the game of rugby football today.

This, as Jim Telfer once said, was the British Lions' Everest. Today they are Sherpa Tenzing Norgay. They have arrived at the summit hand in hand with the New Zealanders. And half the DHL Cup can be couriered back home to sit alongside the Tom Richards Cup won in 2013.

My how this team and squad has grown. Credit to Gatty for creating a wonderful spirit in the camp. There were no Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen or Scotchmen out there today. There were only Lions and they were our Lions. I cheered as much for the brilliant Jonathan Davies, the indomitable Anthony Watson, the force of nature that is Maro Itoje and the hapless turned clutch Owen Farrell as I did for Jonny Sexton, Conor Murray or Sean O'Brien.

The great sporting spectacles always carry the possibility of a draw. The Charity Shield (it'll always be the Charity Shield) the Ashes, the Ryder Cup, fixed world title boxing fights, and, of course, a British Lions test series.

This series has been the sporting equivalent of The Italian Job.

A true classic where our British boys went abroad to bring home the prize against the odds. An exhilarating plot which built up to an incredible climax which was cut just as we were on the verge of finding out who would prevail.

It feels incredibly frustrating right now after three titanic tests, but I guess this is how it is meant to be.

And in time, as with the 1968 classic, we'll come to appreciate the unconventional beauty of the ending.

We'll never know what would have happened had it gone on, and that's the genius of it.

This series is about the result, of course it is, but its also about the legacy left behind. The legacy of courage, skill, flair and refusal to give in, ever. And that legacy will be a very rich one.

This team has well and truly put the pride in "pride of Lions".

We are privileged to have witnessed this tour and these test matches.
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Sid, you are not wise. Have you feck all to do on a Saturday than write that load of crap. Still shaking 90 minutes after the game LOL !!!

The Lions would have been wiped out like a massacre if Dan Carter was still about - the AB's have some strength in depth when you consider who was missing.

Remember this is a county with similar population to Ireland, similar weather, shed loads of sheep but legendary rugby players - all credit to them that they are world best !!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on July 08, 2017, 06:16:42 PM
How are some of you so lacking in self awareness that you can't tell an obvious WUM from a genuine poster?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Boycey on July 08, 2017, 06:23:49 PM
How are some of you so lacking in self awareness that you can't tell an obvious WUM from a genuine poster?

In fairness I'm not sure whether ur a WUM or not..
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Main Street on July 08, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
It's needed to spell it out more clearly as Sid being 'akin to Alf Garnet' didn't register.

Sid's spoofing. Sid's post are a spoof. A spoofer is our Sid and a good one at that.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: trileacman on July 08, 2017, 07:17:26 PM
To be fair in the varied pantheon of WUM's he's a fairly good one. Usually all it takes on here is to say how much you love the queen or how great the DUP are, using the auspices of the Lions to get a rise out of someone is a new one on me.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on July 08, 2017, 09:20:49 PM
Surely she's just copied & pasted a genuine report from somewhere like the Mail, Sky Sports or somewhere? If not that's like O'Neill like dedication to the cause. Maith thu
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on July 09, 2017, 01:32:08 AM
I don't mind saying it - I love the British Lions.

And as an Irish Republican who would like Amhran na bhFiann to be played before all Ireland matches, I have no problem saying that I think God Save The Queen should be played before British Lions matches - let's face it - the team represents the British Isles.

It's only fair if we want to impose our cultural supremacy on themmuns as regards flags and anthems in a potential united Ireland that we allow the mainland to sometimes impose its cultural supremacy on us when the boot is on the other foot.

But the great thing about the Lions is its inclusiveness - there's something for everybody - well, maybe not Scotch rugby at the moment.

Ireland can't say it isn't recognised in the colours - the tops of the players' socks firmly demonstrate that.

As somebody whose political persuasion is firmly to the left, I take inspiration from knowing that a successful Lions tour is a bit like a microcosm of a successful socialist society - one for all, and all for one goal, not one individual. Everybody must pull together. The camp cannot be a happy one unless the weakest feel part of it.

However those on the right can take solace from the essential imperial, civilising mission ethos that Lions tours still have as we attempt to metaphorically put the boot on the throat of the colonies.

I can take solace that the famous 1974 tour gave the black majority in South Africa a team to support against the hated white oppressor. Our thrashing of the Springboks that year brought great joy to the oppressed in that country and was the first shot against apartheid, I believe.

Conversely, those of the opposite political persuasion to me can take solace that that tour strengthened friendships with the Afrikaaner oppressor and gave support to the regime there.

In the famous coaching partnership of Sir Ian McGeechan and Jim Telfer, you had divergent political opinions too.

Telfs is a hard as nails socialist from the Borders who famously stated both that he hated Margaret Thatcher, and that after an afternoon at Twickenham, every Scot would be a fanatical supporter of independence, while the Geech is on record as being a fervent supporter of the Union.

The greatest Lions coach of all, Carwyn James, coach to the 1971 history makers in New Zealand, was a Plaid Cymru separatist.

I think it's tremendous that all these divergent, multi-cultural backgrounds can come together in such harmony and give us such great sport and a rallying cause to unite these islands for a few short weeks.

Roll on South Africa 2021.



Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: The Subbie on July 09, 2017, 02:05:32 AM
Jolly good Sidney old chap, jolly good, marvellous effort, please do carry on ........  ;D
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: theticklemister on July 09, 2017, 11:13:01 AM
Us Irish like getting recognised by the Brits too much.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Main Street on July 09, 2017, 11:51:04 AM
When Ken catches the ball, it's going backwards from the original point of contact, Ken was onside.

When the Lion goes up to catch the ball the AB nr 8 makes a feeble attempt to disguise a mid-air assault on the Lion.


Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on October 17, 2017, 08:33:13 PM
Garland has quit. Not too impressed with Sean O'Brien either.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on October 18, 2017, 03:06:02 PM
Garland has quit. Not too impressed with Sean O'Brien either.

Was surprised O'Brien had the balls to dare to criticise the lad who has had it in for Irish players for the last 17 years or so. Went up in my estimation. I don't think many in Ireland will be sad to see the back of Gatland.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:31:04 PM
Garland has quit. Not too impressed with Sean O'Brien either.

Was surprised O'Brien had the balls to dare to criticise the lad who has had it in for Irish players for the last 17 years or so. Went up in my estimation. I don't think many in Ireland will be sad to see the back of Gatland.

Nah just means there will be a load of hype around the 6N game but it's in Dublin this time so wouldn't worry about it too much!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 18, 2017, 04:12:33 PM
Surprised Gatland has quit, maybe he's got word there's a big southern hemisphere job going to open up after 2019.

Don't think the Kiwi's like him much though, suppose he was leading a rival team against the all blacks - he must have expected that he'd get a bit of stick in the press.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on October 18, 2017, 06:59:50 PM
Warren Gatland has not "quit" as coach of the British Lions.

The British Lions appoint a coach in advance of each tour, and once all official duties in relation to that tour have concluded, they are no longer the coach of the British Lions.

Warren Gatland has not been the coach of the British Lions since all official duties in relation to the 2017 tour concluded in July.

There has been no coach of the British Lions since then, and there will not be until the announcement of the coach for the 2021 tour of South Africa is made, most likely in 2020.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on October 18, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
Warren Gatland has not "quit" as coach of the British Lions.

The British Lions appoint a coach in advance of each tour, and once all official duties in relation to that tour have concluded, they are no longer the coach of the British Lions.

Warren Gatland has not been the coach of the British Lions since all official duties in relation to the 2017 tour concluded in July.

There has been no coach of the British Lions since then, and there will not be until the announcement of the coach for the 2021 tour of South Africa is made, most likely in 2020.

Weird tact to take. He quit.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 07:37:34 PM
Yeah he had no job to quit to be fair.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2017, 10:50:14 AM
Unbeaten as Lions coach, he was a cert for South Africa gig - I'd have that down as quit.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hardy on October 19, 2017, 02:07:26 PM
Warren Gatland has not "quit" as coach of the British Lions.

The British Lions appoint a coach in advance of each tour, and once all official duties in relation to that tour have concluded, they are no longer the coach of the British Lions.

Warren Gatland has not been the coach of the British Lions since all official duties in relation to the 2017 tour concluded in July.

There has been no coach of the British Lions since then, and there will not be until the announcement of the coach for the 2021 tour of South Africa is made, most likely in 2020.

Weird tact to take. He quit.

What?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
Hardy, are you picking up on one of my pet peeves?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hardy on October 19, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
I didn't know it was, but if so you're no longer alone.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
It's worse when it's spoken. I know I'm a pedant, but I hate it. It's like 'effect' and 'affect'.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on October 19, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
Unbeaten as Lions coach, he was a cert for South Africa gig - I'd have that down as quit.

But he was appointed for the Australia tour. That gig was over then he got the New Zealand tour. As of now there is no management team in place for the South Africa. He has simply ruled himself out of the running for that job.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on October 19, 2017, 04:34:00 PM
Unbeaten as Lions coach, he was a cert for South Africa gig - I'd have that down as quit.

But he was appointed for the Australia tour. That gig was over then he got the New Zealand tour. As of now there is no management team in place for the South Africa. He has simply ruled himself out of the running for that job.

It was a running of one person.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
Who is the next manager of the Lions then?

Eddie Jones? Schmidt? Mark McCall???
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2017, 10:28:18 AM
Lads it would be like Brian Cody not putting his name forward when his next term is up. Officially he'd just be ruling himself out of the running for the appointment, but in reality he'd be resigning/retiring.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on October 20, 2017, 11:09:48 AM
Who is the next manager of the Lions then?

Eddie Jones? Schmidt? Mark McCall???

I'd say that's your shortlist right there if any of them want it!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on October 20, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
Appointment of Lions manager is a different setup entirely to that of appointing a county manager. At this moment in time there is no lions manager - Gatland or anyone else. 

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one!!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Syferus on October 20, 2017, 01:04:32 PM
Appointment of Lions manager is a different setup entirely to that of appointing a county manager. At this moment in time there is no lions manager - Gatland or anyone else. 

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one!!

Gatland won a tour and drew in NZ of all places - the job was his to say no to. There’s no agreeing to disagree here to be honest, you simply took a semantic approach to this rather one rooted in common sense.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on October 20, 2017, 02:06:00 PM
It’s irrelevent what Gatland has done in his previous 2 tours. At this precise moment in time who is the lions coach? It’s not Gatland he is simply the Wales head coach. I must have missed the news story where Ian McGeechan was sacked after 2009 or can you fire a link up there?

Whether he was to be offered the position or not is another issue. He has simply ruled himself out for the running next time around.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2017, 02:07:54 PM
It’s irrelevent what Gatland has done in his previous 2 tours. At this precise moment in time who is the lions coach? It’s not Gatland he is simply the Wales head coach. I must have missed the news story where Ian McGeechan was sacked after 2009 or can you fire a link up there?

Whether he was to be offered the position or not is another issue. He has simply ruled himself out for the running next time around.
OK, how about he quit his interest? :)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: square_ball on October 20, 2017, 02:09:32 PM
Ok I’ll agree to that  ;)
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Never beat the deeler on October 20, 2017, 11:39:45 PM
If Warburton is not available for the next tour, has he resigned the captaincy?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 24, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
If Warburton is not available for the next tour, has he resigned the captaincy?

 :o

10er says he's not fit for it? Banker.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: sid waddell on March 26, 2021, 10:48:29 PM
Full steam ahead for the pièce de résistance of the sporting year

Like some of the great Lions tours of old, it's one where our boys will ignore widespread pleas not to go to South Africa - but this time, it's those who support apartheid who are demanding they don't go

Still, there's a great comfort in some of that tradition being rekindled

99

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on March 27, 2021, 12:51:12 AM
If Warburton is not available for the next tour, has he resigned the captaincy?

 :o

10er says he's not fit for it? Banker.

The crystal ball was working well here, although sad that he is fully retired and it is very much old news at this stage
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2021, 02:49:37 PM
If Warburton is not available for the next tour, has he resigned the captaincy?

 :o

10er says he's not fit for it? Banker.

The crystal ball was working well here, although sad that he is fully retired and it is very much old news at this stage

Very sad to see a player of that calibre bow out so early. When you see AWJ still ploughing the field at 35?

Warburton could have become one of the all time greats. Recovered from 2011 and all that came with that exceptionally, could have ruined a lesser man.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 31, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
Warburton in jackal mode routinely put his head in where you wouldn't put a boot, so it is unsurprising that he called it a day. When you start needing neck surgery the game is up.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 06, 2021, 12:29:48 PM
AWJ Captain.

37 man squad, not 36. Squad announcement due anytime now.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tiempo on May 06, 2021, 12:48:48 PM
No Sexton.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Helix. on May 06, 2021, 12:49:52 PM
Furlong
Beirne
Murray
Henshaw
Henderson
Aki
Conan
Porter

Sexton missing out hardly a surprise with injuries. I would have thought James Ryan would be in with a shout aswell.
Furlong and Henshaw possibly definite starters going on form at moment but no doubt a lot can change in warm up games.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 06, 2021, 12:50:39 PM
A few interesting calls there, I thought Ryan would be a cert to go ahead of Iain Henderson.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Louther on May 06, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
Henderson in for his physicality? He’ll do well to force himself into reckoning.

12 months back Ryan would have been a banker.

Aki a bolter. As is Cohan.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on May 06, 2021, 01:17:34 PM
I would have taken Ryan ahead of Henderson and Beirne. Beirne may have been taken as a backrow or second row. Conan is a surprise inclusion as is Aki.

Ringrose will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on May 06, 2021, 01:24:01 PM
The southern bias has filtered into the Board. Henderson offers much more for the Lions and on form alone it wasn't even up for debate. If Ryan were playing in any other province he'd be behind Beirne and Henderson comfortably in Irelands second row atm.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnnycool on May 06, 2021, 01:40:32 PM
The southern bias has filtered into the Board. Henderson offers much more for the Lions and on form alone it wasn't even up for debate. If Ryan were playing in any other province he'd be behind Beirne and Henderson comfortably in Irelands second row atm.

I thought Beirne was outstanding in the 6N's TBH.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hound on May 06, 2021, 01:55:23 PM
Lower squad number this year has helped players who can do more than one position, like Beirne, Hendo, Lawes, Conan, Porter, Daly.

Still think Ryan is unlucky to lose out to Lawes and Hill. A Lions tour would also be great for his development. Jonny Gray another surprise absentee from the second row.
Albeit I think AWJ and Itjoe are guaranteed starters anyway, but Beirne has a great chance of the 6 jersey in the opening test.

I think Henshaw is in more as a 13 than a 12 and is also a likely starter in the first test.

Furlong should be a guaranteed starter.

Of course, with injuries there's nearly bound to be a number of changes between now and the first test.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 06, 2021, 02:00:24 PM
The southern bias has filtered into the Board. Henderson offers much more for the Lions and on form alone it wasn't even up for debate. If Ryan were playing in any other province he'd be behind Beirne and Henderson comfortably in Irelands second row atm.

I'm from the North and I've no idea how Henderson is in the squad over Ryan and as just mentioned Jonny Gray. Henderson has the experience of the NZ tour obviously.

Josh Navidi of Wales also desperately unlucky.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on May 06, 2021, 02:09:04 PM
Lower squad number this year has helped players who can do more than one position, like Beirne, Hendo, Lawes, Conan, Porter, Daly.

Still think Ryan is unlucky to lose out to Lawes and Hill. A Lions tour would also be great for his development. Jonny Gray another surprise absentee from the second row.
Albeit I think AWJ and Itjoe are guaranteed starters anyway, but Beirne has a great chance of the 6 jersey in the opening test.

I think Henshaw is in more as a 13 than a 12 and is also a likely starter in the first test.

Furlong should be a guaranteed starter.

Of course, with injuries there's nearly bound to be a number of changes between now and the first test.

There is definitely an argument for Ryan over Lawes and Hill, but it wasn't a toss up between him and Henderson. I think you could argue Hendy was the form player for Ireland in 6Nations and I am firmly of the belief if he lined out in blue that narrative would have been pushed.

Beirne would appear to be lined up for the start. I also think we could very easily see Aki and Henshaw starting. Also if injury hits you could drop Sexton in the week before the tests and he could be a starter no problem. I'd AWJ a certain starter?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on May 06, 2021, 02:56:59 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/lions-squad-johnny-sexton-left-out-as-eight-irish-players-selected-1.4557145
"Sexton, one of the undoubted heroes of both the 2013 and 2017 tours and indisputably the form outhalf of the Six Nations.
Instead, they have chosen Owen Farrell, short of form and predominantly used as an inside centre by England in the Six Nations, Finn Russell and Dan Biggar as their three outhalves."

His concussions must have caught up with him
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 06, 2021, 03:04:56 PM
I thought Sexton might just sneak in over Farrell now that the Da is off the line scene and Owen being out of form but it's not that much of a shock. Between Farrell and Biggar there, I'm not sure if Russell will be trusted to start....but some man to bring in for a bit of magic at the end.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnnycool on May 06, 2021, 03:14:46 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/lions-squad-johnny-sexton-left-out-as-eight-irish-players-selected-1.4557145
"Sexton, one of the undoubted heroes of both the 2013 and 2017 tours and indisputably the form outhalf of the Six Nations.
Instead, they have chosen Owen Farrell, short of form and predominantly used as an inside centre by England in the Six Nations, Finn Russell and Dan Biggar as their three outhalves."

His concussions must have caught up with him

You'd be doing the lad a favour in not picking him. A good rest might see another year out of him
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on May 06, 2021, 03:20:34 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: mouview on May 06, 2021, 03:28:01 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/lions-squad-johnny-sexton-left-out-as-eight-irish-players-selected-1.4557145
"Sexton, one of the undoubted heroes of both the 2013 and 2017 tours and indisputably the form outhalf of the Six Nations.
Instead, they have chosen Owen Farrell, short of form and predominantly used as an inside centre by England in the Six Nations, Finn Russell and Dan Biggar as their three outhalves."

His concussions must have caught up with him

D4 set going to explode in a DUP-like self-righteous fit of rage over his omission.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnnycool on May 06, 2021, 03:31:56 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

You're just pissed that you weren't picked.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: John Egans left boot on May 06, 2021, 04:49:55 PM
Folks not big time into Rugby but Henderson!! I’m mean am I of script here with this or maybe it’s been mentioned, he finds it hard to make the Irish 4/5 positions
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on May 06, 2021, 05:25:54 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/lions-squad-johnny-sexton-left-out-as-eight-irish-players-selected-1.4557145
"Sexton, one of the undoubted heroes of both the 2013 and 2017 tours and indisputably the form outhalf of the Six Nations.
Instead, they have chosen Owen Farrell, short of form and predominantly used as an inside centre by England in the Six Nations, Finn Russell and Dan Biggar as their three outhalves."

His concussions must have caught up with him

You'd be doing the lad a favour in not picking him. A good rest might see another year out of him


You wouldn't be wrong
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on May 06, 2021, 05:44:46 PM
Folks not big time into Rugby but Henderson!! I’m mean am I of script here with this or maybe it’s been mentioned, he finds it hard to make the Irish 4/5 positions
Read a few quotes saying it was a squad designed for kick, crash, bang, wallop Rugby, would suit him OK.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on May 06, 2021, 05:52:36 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/warren-gatland-explains-big-calls-on-johnny-sexton-and-james-ryan-1.4557515

Warren Gatland has confirmed that Johnny Sexton’s “durability” was the prime factor in overlooking the two-time Lions’ outhalf and this year’s Six Nations’ leading points scorer.

The Lions head coach also cited James Ryan’s performances in Leinster’s defeat by La Rochelle last Sunday and their Champions Cup quarter-final loss at home to Saracens last September as part of the rationale behind his omission.

“There’s no doubt that was one of the toughest decisions that we had to make,” Gatland admitted with regard to leaving out Sexton and preferring Owen Farrell, Finn Russell and Dan Biggar as his options at outhalf.

“I’ve got a huge amount of respect for Johnny and his quality. But, it’s such a pivotal position for us and it’s about sending a message to the No 10s we have selected that we have confidence and belief in them to do a job.

“When we looked at where we were going, to South Africa, probably the thing that kept coming back to us was Johnny’s durability. Being able to put a string of games together, consecutively big matches together. He has been rested on a number of occasions and unfortunately that’s possibly what swayed it for us in terms of us not having the confidence that he can get through what’s going to be a tough, physical tour.”

As for not picking Ryan, Gatland said: “Look, there are a lot of tough calls. James was pretty unlucky. For us, it was getting that balance right with our secondrow and backrow options and having cover in those positions. Players being able to play secondrow or backrow.”

This factor worked in favour of Tadhg Beirne and Iain Henderson who, like Maro Itoje, have also played at blindside.

“Look, James is unlucky,” Gatland repeated. “We saw an example last weekend with Leinster against La Rochelle and if you look at the match properly, La Rochelle reminded me of what we’re going to face in South Africa. We’re going to face big, physical men. They’d Will Skelton, how direct they were coming off No 9.

“Probably the last couple of years, with Leinster in a couple of those big games - I know they were really good against Exeter - but we saw at the weekend and 12 months ago against Saracens in the European quarter-final - they’ve really gone hard at them physically up front and that challenge.”

It transpires that Garry Ringrose’s cruel run with injuries proved particularly unfortunate when missing out on the Six Nations finale against England, not least as it showcased the abilities of Bundee Aki at ‘12’ and Robbie Henshaw at ‘13’ in Ireland’s convincing win.

“That combination of Bundee Aki and Robbie Henshaw was outstanding for Ireland against England, we’ve got to be able to have that balance between physicality that they bring and the ability to play rugby.

“Both of those players bring that, they know how to roll their sleeves up when it does get tough but they also can play some pretty positive attacking rugby as well.”
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2021, 07:07:11 PM
Some odd picks but combination of wanting aggressive players and having Gregor Townsend on the backroom team no doubt helped swing a couple of the Scottish picks. I think Henry Slade could feel aggrieved.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 07, 2021, 10:10:52 AM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate. 
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: johnnycool on May 07, 2021, 10:26:17 AM
Folks not big time into Rugby but Henderson!! I’m mean am I of script here with this or maybe it’s been mentioned, he finds it hard to make the Irish 4/5 positions
Read a few quotes saying it was a squad designed for kick, crash, bang, wallop Rugby, would suit him OK.

Gatland likes his crash ball rugby, hence why Aki is in there. Sexton and Ringrose are better off sitting at home.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 07, 2021, 10:48:48 AM
The Lions have options certainly but centre is definitely the weakness. Farrell can obviously cover in there, but Henshaw / Aki and Chris Harris against the South Africans seems light. Elliot Daly has played centre before but I don't know if he would last against the South Africans.

I still can't believe Jonathan Davies didn't get selected in the centre especially with George North looking like a certain starter before his injury, you can't take them all I suppose.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on May 07, 2021, 12:02:11 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.
It is nothing more than an opinion and I am entitled to hold it, won't watch either event.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2021, 12:59:58 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.
It is nothing more than an opinion and I am entitled to hold it, won't watch either event.
I guess people find it strange that someone would take time out from their day to go into a thread of something they have no interest in, to tell people they have no interest in it.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Franko on May 07, 2021, 01:03:20 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.

It is entertaining, but lets face it, it started as a glorified team holiday/piss up and it's only media and PR company hype that have elevated it into something more.

I'd enjoy the spectacle but wouldn't be getting too bothered about the results.

Said it here before - it's akin to the best of Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan and Tyrone going down and playing Kerry.

A good spectacle, but ultimately meaningless in terms of representative sport.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 07, 2021, 01:17:16 PM
It is entertaining, but lets face it, it started as a glorified team holiday/piss up and it's only media and PR company hype that have elevated it into something more.

I'd enjoy the spectacle but wouldn't be getting too bothered about the results.

Said it here before - it's akin to the best of Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan and Tyrone going down and playing Kerry.

A good spectacle, but ultimately meaningless in terms of representative sport.

I don't think you can have demonstrated a greater lack of understanding of what it means to those involved. Winning a series against the Lions is often quoted by Southern Hemisphere players as an event to rank alongside winning the World Cup. 
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Louther on May 07, 2021, 02:20:18 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.
It is nothing more than an opinion and I am entitled to hold it, won't watch either event.
I guess people find it strange that someone would take time out from their day to go into a thread of something they have no interest in, to tell people they have no interest in it.

Well put.

Normally a rush on some people to shout and continuing shouting about how much they not interested in something. Very odd.

It’s a kin to people not liking a band in basis of “they got too popular/big/commercial, I liked them when no one did”.

Lions is a great event. The very best in their sport taking on each other.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rudi on May 07, 2021, 02:33:35 PM
Every 4 years if the best from the Northern Hems was to take on the best from the Southern Hems in 3 tests. Warm up games could be against countries instead of clubs. Southern Hems could tour the Northern Hems 4 years later.

Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on May 07, 2021, 02:48:43 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.
It is nothing more than an opinion and I am entitled to hold it, won't watch either event.
I guess people find it strange that someone would take time out from their day to go into a thread of something they have no interest in, to tell people they have no interest in it.
So I'm not allowed to express an opinion on the board now? It is a waste of time and money and an ego trip in my opinion. Harking back to the days off Empire.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on May 07, 2021, 02:51:37 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.
It is nothing more than an opinion and I am entitled to hold it, won't watch either event.
I guess people find it strange that someone would take time out from their day to go into a thread of something they have no interest in, to tell people they have no interest in it.

Well put.

Normally a rush on some people to shout and continuing shouting about how much they not interested in something. Very odd.

It’s a kin to people not liking a band in basis of “they got too popular/big/commercial, I liked them when no one did”.

Lions is a great event. The very best in their sport taking on each other.
By all means explain why you enjoy it, but this is a discussion board and dissent is allowed, otherwise there'd be no discussion. It would then be an agreement board 😂. Oh and I get that it means something to players to be chosen. But lets face it it is not the b best of the Northern Hemisphere vs the best of the Southern Hemisphere. Firstly South Africa are just one team, and secondly France, Italy etc are excluded. but here you all enjoy.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2021, 03:27:49 PM
In truth it is more corporate junket than pinnacle of sport. That’s it’s lifeblood. The media are complicit partners in this junket too, for life really doesn’t get any better for a sports journalist than 3 or 4 all-expenses weeks away in a pretty informal sporting environment, halfway across the world. Hence the column inches. Hence the daily reminders of how important it is to everyone.

I still enjoy it for what it is: good, honest, representative sport, where bragging rights is more important to the competitors than the financial end of things. And in fairness to rugby pros, they are very, very rarely found hiding - which in itself makes for a spectacle.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tiempo on May 07, 2021, 03:34:49 PM
This Lions has a few things going for it. Its heritage, no-one can deny that, the tours going back a century or more being particularly impressive given the grueling travel itinerary, but moreover the Lions is a huge cash cow for NZ, SA and Oz both within the rugby fraternity and for tourism generally. It would be fairly well factored into the budgets of their rugby unions and part of their ongoing development strategies. Look it is what it is, harmless fun (concussions aside).
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 07, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
In truth it is more corporate junket than pinnacle of sport. That’s it’s lifeblood. The media are complicit partners in this junket too, for life really doesn’t get any better for a sports journalist than 3 or 4 all-expenses weeks away in a pretty informal sporting environment, halfway across the world. Hence the column inches. Hence the daily reminders of how important it is to everyone.

I still enjoy it for what it is: good, honest, representative sport, where bragging rights is more important to the competitors than the financial end of things. And in fairness to rugby pros, they are very, very rarely found hiding - which in itself makes for a spectacle.

Does your description of the event in your second paragraph not essentially undermine your opening line in your first paragraph?

I'm not a rugby man, but I essentially take my lead on this from the weight that those in the world of rugby - players, officials and supporters - place on it, and how that is reflected in the sense of sporting occasion and the intensity of what happens on the field.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: tonto1888 on May 07, 2021, 05:00:27 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.

I often wonder why people who have no interest in something feel the need to post about their lack of interest in that thing
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Franko on May 07, 2021, 05:28:41 PM
It is entertaining, but lets face it, it started as a glorified team holiday/piss up and it's only media and PR company hype that have elevated it into something more.

I'd enjoy the spectacle but wouldn't be getting too bothered about the results.

Said it here before - it's akin to the best of Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan and Tyrone going down and playing Kerry.

A good spectacle, but ultimately meaningless in terms of representative sport.

I don't think you can have demonstrated a greater lack of understanding of what it means to those involved. Winning a series against the Lions is often quoted by Southern Hemisphere players as an event to rank alongside winning the World Cup.

And the southern hemisphere teams should be proud of their achievement.

They beat the pick of 4 other top ranked rugby nations.

I've never seen a quote from a player placing it so highly, but no doubt you'll find one.

I would question your assertion that it is 'often' quoted though.

I also think it would be naïve not to consider the motivations behind such a quote in terms of generating interest in the series.

A lions victory on the other hand... could you explain to me why that would be worth celebrating?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2021, 05:43:37 PM
In truth it is more corporate junket than pinnacle of sport. That’s it’s lifeblood. The media are complicit partners in this junket too, for life really doesn’t get any better for a sports journalist than 3 or 4 all-expenses weeks away in a pretty informal sporting environment, halfway across the world. Hence the column inches. Hence the daily reminders of how important it is to everyone.

I still enjoy it for what it is: good, honest, representative sport, where bragging rights is more important to the competitors than the financial end of things. And in fairness to rugby pros, they are very, very rarely found hiding - which in itself makes for a spectacle.

Does your description of the event in your second paragraph not essentially undermine your opening line in your first paragraph?

I'm not a rugby man, but I essentially take my lead on this from the weight that those in the world of rugby - players, officials and supporters - place on it, and how that is reflected in the sense of sporting occasion and the intensity of what happens on the field.

Sort of i suppose i guess.

Similar to the Ryder Cup really. Not making the cut is probably a bigger emotional blow for the players than the honour of actually representing a collage of nations.

But it’s the media that puts Ryder Cup appearances almost on a pedestal with major wins. And they dine on it. Then some more and more. When it’s not really true. Neither the Ryder nor the Lions is actually that important. Just good fun, hyped beyond words.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 07, 2021, 05:45:15 PM
And the southern hemisphere teams should be proud of their achievement. They beat the pick of 4 other top ranked rugby nations. I've never seen a quote from a player placing it so highly, but no doubt you'll find one. I would question your assertion that it is 'often' quoted though. I also think it would be naïve not to consider the motivations behind such a quote in terms of generating interest in the series. A lions victory on the other hand... could you explain to me why that would be worth celebrating?

I'm afraid not. My days of investing such time and effort into debates on this forum have long since gone. The fact that you are ready to query the motivation for such quotes anyway, if they were to be found, only serves to underline the wisdom of my stance.

A lions victory on the other hand... could you explain to me why that would be worth celebrating?

The achievement of a specific group of players, coming together for the first and only time, and in a relatively short space of time, creating / developing a collective effort in terms of game plan / application, to beat the World Champions on their own patch.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 07, 2021, 05:47:42 PM
But it’s the media that puts Ryder Cup appearances almost on a pedestal with major wins. And they dine on it. Then some more and more. When it’s not really true. Neither the Ryder nor the Lions is actually that important. Just good fun, hyped beyond words.

The raw emotion shown by the participants in both - and there are countless examples - give a totally different perspective.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2021, 05:58:36 PM
It’s a bit like the railway cup for players from weaker counties... it means more to some than to others.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hardy on May 07, 2021, 07:28:35 PM
Yeah, go Lions. British and Irish till I die.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2021, 08:04:32 PM
Yeah, go Lions. British and Irish till I die.
Back on a positive note I see  ;D
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2021, 08:45:52 PM
Who’s that new poster?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2021, 10:14:51 PM
Yeah, go Lions. British and Irish till I die.

Fáilte ar ais Hardyarse
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Applesisapples on May 07, 2021, 11:15:04 PM
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate.

I often wonder why people who have no interest in something feel the need to post about their lack of interest in that thing
I often wonder why people with no interest in discussion use this board.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 08, 2021, 08:42:19 AM
Yeah, go Lions. British and Irish till I die.

"Look to my coming, at first light, on the fifth day. At dawn, look to the East."
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JimStynes on May 08, 2021, 08:59:44 AM
I used to love the Lions tours and watched the Lions tour documentaries flat out as it gave a good insight into the professionalism of the team setup.  There wasn't much social media back then so you got to see a lot of players in a different light whereas now you can quickly click on their instagram or twitter nowadays. Over the past few tours they haven't been the same and have become less interesting.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: smelmoth on May 08, 2021, 11:13:14 AM
Yeah, go Lions. British and Irish till I die.

"Look to my coming, at first light, on the fifth day. At dawn, look to the East."

Ahh they great welsh wing wizards always good for a quote
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: smelmoth on May 08, 2021, 11:23:01 AM
Love the Lions Tour. Love the Ryder cup.

Remember walking the streets of Krakow looking for a pub that would be guaranteed to show the Lions match the following day. The only time in life I was glad to find one of those generic Irish pubs. But come match time it was bunged, mainly Irish and all fecked off when we played shite and got beat.

I reckon that some people just won’t back a team with the word British in it. Maybe the commentators could work harder at not lazily referring to the British Lions but life is too short to waste time getting excited by all that. Incredibly there are people who think the term the British Isles is designed to annoy them personally or that it infers ownership of Ireland by England. If you have a problem with that take it up with the French and let the rest of us get on with life.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 08, 2021, 07:31:11 PM
Love the Lions Tour. Love the Ryder cup.

Remember walking the streets of Krakow looking for a pub that would be guaranteed to show the Lions match the following day. The only time in life I was glad to find one of those generic Irish pubs. But come match time it was bunged, mainly Irish and all fecked off when we played shite and got beat.

I reckon that some people just won’t back a team with the word British in it. Maybe the commentators could work harder at not lazily referring to the British Lions but life is too short to waste time getting excited by all that. Incredibly there are people who think the term the British Isles is designed to annoy them personally or that it infers ownership of Ireland by England. If you have a problem with that take it up with the French and let the rest of us get on with life.
Well it does.
And what has the name of the British isles got to do with the French?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: smelmoth on May 08, 2021, 09:10:24 PM
Love the Lions Tour. Love the Ryder cup.

Remember walking the streets of Krakow looking for a pub that would be guaranteed to show the Lions match the following day. The only time in life I was glad to find one of those generic Irish pubs. But come match time it was bunged, mainly Irish and all fecked off when we played shite and got beat.

I reckon that some people just won’t back a team with the word British in it. Maybe the commentators could work harder at not lazily referring to the British Lions but life is too short to waste time getting excited by all that. Incredibly there are people who think the term the British Isles is designed to annoy them personally or that it infers ownership of Ireland by England. If you have a problem with that take it up with the French and let the rest of us get on with life.
Well it does.
And what has the name of the British isles got to do with the French?

Well it doesn’t. So there.

But seriously.

It’s the Normans. They were French. Near neighbours of Brittany. Popped across La Manche. Found it a bit rugged and blustery. A bit like Brittany only bigger. A Grande Bretagne. The island beside it was similarly rugged and similarly blustery and so we had Les Iles Britanniques. I’ll leave the translations to you.

So ownership no. And French yes. Comprenez vous?
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 09, 2021, 05:56:07 AM
Love the Lions Tour. Love the Ryder cup.

Remember walking the streets of Krakow looking for a pub that would be guaranteed to show the Lions match the following day. The only time in life I was glad to find one of those generic Irish pubs. But come match time it was bunged, mainly Irish and all fecked off when we played shite and got beat.

I reckon that some people just won’t back a team with the word British in it. Maybe the commentators could work harder at not lazily referring to the British Lions but life is too short to waste time getting excited by all that. Incredibly there are people who think the term the British Isles is designed to annoy them personally or that it infers ownership of Ireland by England. If you have a problem with that take it up with the French and let the rest of us get on with life.
Well it does.
And what has the name of the British isles got to do with the French?

Well it doesn’t. So there.

But seriously.

It’s the Normans. They were French. Near neighbours of Brittany. Popped across La Manche. Found it a bit rugged and blustery. A bit like Brittany only bigger. A Grande Bretagne. The island beside it was similarly rugged and similarly blustery and so we had Les Iles Britanniques. I’ll leave the translations to you.

So ownership no. And French yes. Comprenez vous?
“So there” Jesus Christ what age are you ;D

And it does.

The rest of that post is pure waffle and bluster and irrelevant to my question.
As for the “translations”, I’m a fluent French speaker, so I’ve got that covered, thanks.
Clown
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on May 09, 2021, 04:39:09 PM
Somebody should have told Kyle Sinckler that the Lions is a load of overhyped bullshit he obviously didn’t get the memo...
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 10, 2021, 09:49:57 AM
Somebody should have told Kyle Sinckler that the Lions is a load of overhyped bullshit he obviously didn’t get the memo...

Just a snippet of what it means to these guys. Fairly unlikeable character on the field....but seems a really good guy behind it all. Felt sorry for him watching that clip.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: smelmoth on May 11, 2021, 11:06:09 PM
Love the Lions Tour. Love the Ryder cup.

Remember walking the streets of Krakow looking for a pub that would be guaranteed to show the Lions match the following day. The only time in life I was glad to find one of those generic Irish pubs. But come match time it was bunged, mainly Irish and all fecked off when we played shite and got beat.

I reckon that some people just won’t back a team with the word British in it. Maybe the commentators could work harder at not lazily referring to the British Lions but life is too short to waste time getting excited by all that. Incredibly there are people who think the term the British Isles is designed to annoy them personally or that it infers ownership of Ireland by England. If you have a problem with that take it up with the French and let the rest of us get on with life.
Well it does.
And what has the name of the British isles got to do with the French?

Well it doesn’t. So there.

But seriously.

It’s the Normans. They were French. Near neighbours of Brittany. Popped across La Manche. Found it a bit rugged and blustery. A bit like Brittany only bigger. A Grande Bretagne. The island beside it was similarly rugged and similarly blustery and so we had Les Iles Britanniques. I’ll leave the translations to you.

So ownership no. And French yes. Comprenez vous?
“So there” Jesus Christ what age are you ;D

And it does.

The rest of that post is pure waffle and bluster and irrelevant to my question.
As for the “translations”, I’m a fluent French speaker, so I’ve got that covered, thanks.
Clown

Ok I did get a bit of that wrong. Only the Great Britain bit is related to the French. Ooopsies. My apologies
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on July 14, 2021, 09:22:02 PM
The Lions were beaten tonight by a very strong South Africa A, 17-13 in the end. The first competitive game on the tour and the Lions lost it.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
The Lions were beaten tonight by a very strong South Africa A, 17-13 in the end. The first competitive game on the tour and the Lions lost it.

SA had more or less full team out, Gatland will have a different set up going into first ‘real’ test, should be a interesting set of games.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Estimator on July 21, 2021, 02:10:58 PM
Lions team for 1st Test: Hogg; A Watson, Daly, Henshaw, Van Der Merwe; Biggar, Price; W Jones, Cowan-Dickie, Furlong, Itoje, AW Jones (capt), Lawes, Curry, Conan.

6 English,
3 Welsh,
3 Irish and
3 Scots

Murray goes from replacement Capt to replacement.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 21, 2021, 07:22:55 PM
What had Josh Adams to do
Not even in squad
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on July 21, 2021, 10:19:15 PM
What had Josh Adams to do
Not even in squad

Adams did well on tour but the Lions are strong at the position. I would have had Rees Zammit at the position. They are also carrying 6 forwards as sub and only 2 backs on the bench.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 21, 2021, 11:04:09 PM
Seems a strange selection to me. Elliot Daly at Centre??

I don’t think VDM is any great shakes at wing either although he’s big and physical so that’s why he’s there. AWJ is a gamble and I also think Lawes is past his best.

Obviously Garland knows a lot more than me and gets it right more often than not so will be interesting to see how the test goes. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 21, 2021, 11:45:19 PM
Seems a strange selection to me. Elliot Daly at Centre??

I don’t think VDM is any great shakes at wing either although he’s big and physical so that’s why he’s there. AWJ is a gamble and I also think Lawes is past his best.

Obviously Garland knows a lot more than me and gets it right more often than not so will be interesting to see how the test goes. Looking forward to it!
Lawes was red hot for a few weeks at the business end of the Gallagher Prem, so peaked at the right time for selection, and he can drop into second row if required. VDM definitely there for size. Daly has a big boot so if it's going to be an arm-wrestle between the forwards they maybe reckon there could be a good few scrum pens etc. so he gives them options as far out as 50m. Interesting match ahead. Gatland has rarely picked the people he is expected to pick - remember when he didn't pick BOD there was nearly WWIII!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 22, 2021, 03:00:53 AM
Initially thinking AWJ was a huge gamble, but I guess the shoulder will either hold up or it won't. If he's going to be out, it may as well be early in the tour as late. And you can't risk bringing him on and wasting a substitution if he needs to come back off.

Williams on the bench tho, that's a strange one. He can only really play FB and Hogg can only play FB. Adams would have covered wing and full back, as well as 13 if you were stuck
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: seafoid on July 22, 2021, 07:56:38 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/07/21/john-robbie-interview-irishman-played-south-africa-end-anti/

He feels the series is on a knife edge. Many of the Springboks’ advantages as world champions have been negated by a lack of game time. With such thin margins, the set-piece battle looms large. “It could come down to the scrum,” Robbie said. “That first scrum in the first Test will be really significant. If you can go forward, as South Africa did in the World Cup final against England, then you have basically won the game.”
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 22, 2021, 08:24:32 AM
Initially thinking AWJ was a huge gamble, but I guess the shoulder will either hold up or it won't. If he's going to be out, it may as well be early in the tour as late. And you can't risk bringing him on and wasting a substitution if he needs to come back off.

Williams on the bench tho, that's a strange one. He can only really play FB and Hogg can only play FB. Adams would have covered wing and full back, as well as 13 if you were stuck
Williams can play 11 easily and did so for Wales this year.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on July 24, 2021, 06:35:34 PM
Lions have just taken the lead with 17 minutes to go. It struggles to match up with the hurling though.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: rodney trotter on July 24, 2021, 07:05:30 PM
Very good game.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on July 24, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
The bregrudgers don't know what they're missing.

Some savage hits and the intensity will only ramp up for the 2nd test.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 24, 2021, 08:07:16 PM
Great finish to the game… SA could have stole bit with that last  ‘try’ that was overturned. Playing at sea level helps also
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: trailer on July 24, 2021, 08:18:30 PM
Was a good game. Didn’t think the lions would do it to be honest.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 25, 2021, 05:07:32 PM
South Africa should had 3 tries, the one where the player was in line not in front, def try. Game was basically a kicking session, with nearly all scores from placed ball.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: dublin7 on July 25, 2021, 07:48:56 PM
South Africa should had 3 tries, the one where the player was in line not in front, def try. Game was basically a kicking session, with nearly all scores from placed ball.
TMO was right. Greenwood was wrong on tv. It's the back foot you have to be behind when the ball is kicked, not the foot that kicked the ball.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Hound on July 25, 2021, 10:39:39 PM
South Africa should had 3 tries, the one where the player was in line not in front, def try. Game was basically a kicking session, with nearly all scores from placed ball.
TMO was right. Greenwood was wrong on tv. It's the back foot you have to be behind when the ball is kicked, not the foot that kicked the ball.
It was great having Owens in the commentary box.  But he was poor in not explaining why he disagreed with Greenwood for that call.

Delighted for Conan to play well. I thought Lions were lucky to get away with Gatland picking a team focused on Bok strengths rather than Lions strengths. Boks were unlucky to lose but I expect Lions to learn and win next week.
Itoje was superb.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 26, 2021, 10:02:23 PM
WTF is Rasmus doing on Twitter? Very strange!

Didn’t get to see the first test but sounds like a deserved win should make for at least a good second game SA will have to come out guns blazing!
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on July 27, 2021, 12:16:04 AM
Pitch seemed to be in very bad shape backs could barely turn on it
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Estimator on July 27, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
LIONS TEAM
15. Stuart Hogg
14. Anthony Watson
13. Chris Harris
12. Robbie Henshaw
11. Duhan van der Merwe
10. Dan Biggar
9. Conor Murray

1. Mako Vunipola
2. Luke Cowan-Dickie
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Alun Wyn Jones (c)
5. Maro Itoje
6. Courtney Lawes
7. Tom Curry
8. Jack Conan

REPLACEMENTS: Ken Owens, Rory Sutherland, Kyle Sinckler, Tadhg Beirne, Toby Faletau, Ali Price, Owen Farrell, Elliot Daly.

Thought Josh Adams might get a chance this week. But it'll probably be another kicking game.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: screenexile on July 29, 2021, 08:14:33 PM
Rasmus lost the plot??
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on July 30, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
Rasmus lost the plot??
Seems a bit of a Kevin Keegan moment alrite (an hour long one). Springboks are a different breed tho, might work wonders for them. Tomorrow's game is going to be a brutal physical encounter.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 30, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
Kolisi yapping now. Fergie in his pomp would have been red-faced by some of this craic but it adds a little spice to proceedings.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2021, 11:52:10 PM
SA have sorta lost the run of themselves. Embrassing stuff coming out. Doubt your man lost the plot. We all love to send refs a collection of decisions we don't agreed with. Most sensible people don't. Brings the South African Management into focus. Surprised world Rugby hasn't took action to address.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on July 31, 2021, 06:43:27 PM
This is a hard watch
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on July 31, 2021, 06:45:03 PM
This is a hard watch
brutal no continuity game stopping every 2 minutes
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on July 31, 2021, 06:50:19 PM
South Africa got a big break there with the Am try. I don't think he grounded it with his hand, he grounded it with his forearm.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 31, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
South Africa got a big break there with the Am try. I don't think he grounded it with his hand, he grounded it with his forearm.
Didn't think it would be given. Maybe a bit of pressure applied to the officials during the week has its merits.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on July 31, 2021, 06:56:02 PM
The  lions miss not having Rees Zammit in the team at this moment in time imho.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Gmac on July 31, 2021, 06:58:52 PM
The  lions miss not having Rees Zammit in the team at this moment in time imho.
be a wales back 3 next game and a lot more changes I think
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on July 31, 2021, 07:00:04 PM
Hogg, Van derM and Watson have stank the place out.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Capt Pat on July 31, 2021, 07:40:32 PM
I see the GAA are running the Limerick all Ireland hurling semi final in direct competition with the Lions decider 5 o clock on saturday. That is Limerick rugby city. I will of course watch both at the same time on my various devices.
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: bennydorano on July 31, 2021, 07:46:04 PM
Christ that was a hard watch
Title: Re: Lions Tour
Post by: Main Street on August 01, 2021, 02:49:35 AM
I like this South African team, I hope they win the series. Amandla.