The Many Faces of US Politics...

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Pence thinks Flynn maybe lied unintentionally now . . . you couldn't make this shit up!!

[johnnycool]

Pence thinks Flynn maybe lied unintentionally now . . . you couldn't make this shit up!!

Now that didn't happen.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Big move by Joe

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He has to do it, it's the kind of move you make if you're not guilty,to do otherwise would only bring more suspicion!

[whitey]

Big move by Joe

He got well grilled by Mika this morning by all accounts

Personally I think it's BS

[thejuice]

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.204569/gov.uscourts.dcd.204569.29.7.pdf

Interesting reading. Lots of redactions of course, including what appears to be the identities of people high up in the Israeli government or close to it who appear to have intervened on Trumps behalf to deal with a potential October surprise. Refer to page 5, 12 to 16. This redacted individual even wrangled for a meeting with then candidate Trump. I wonder what Trump had to do in return for such help.

Foreign interference I believe it's called.

Now going by this document alone, the evidence of direct contact between any Russian government officials or agents and Stone, Assange or Corsi, or Trump seems absent, with only conjecture from FBI and US Intelligence that it seems likely to be going on. No surprise the Russia Today would be happy to put Assange on their broadcasts since Hillary had been directly threatening Russia during her time in government and in her election campaigns. This doesn't mean Russia were not doing more to influence the election, but from that document, the evidence suggests interference was coming from somewhere else.

[whitey]

Read a few articles on this from CBS and FoxNews basically the interviewers had a strategy to try to catch Flynn out (which they did) and also didn't want to make a big issue of reminding him about statute 1001 (lying to a federal agent).

Am I missing something? I would have thought these were fairly standard things to do when investigating someone??

I'm open to the rights view of things but so far I'm not really convinced he still lied to Pence and to the Federal investigator didn't he? Oh and plead guilty!

Yes, I'm also having trouble reconciling whitey's enthusiasm and energy to what is being reported.

I work with an ex-NYPD detective and he's full of stories and strategies he used to use to tease evidence and confessions out of suspects. Earnest honesty and transparency is not one of them.

Proof will be in the pudding I guess. Wouldn't be the first time someone walked on a technicality.

Told you the case would be dropped

https://apnews.com/ae1ad252bb13490db2ceffc5d17b6d92?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

[J70]

Read a few articles on this from CBS and FoxNews basically the interviewers had a strategy to try to catch Flynn out (which they did) and also didn't want to make a big issue of reminding him about statute 1001 (lying to a federal agent).

Am I missing something? I would have thought these were fairly standard things to do when investigating someone??

I'm open to the rights view of things but so far I'm not really convinced he still lied to Pence and to the Federal investigator didn't he? Oh and plead guilty!

Yes, I'm also having trouble reconciling whitey's enthusiasm and energy to what is being reported.

I work with an ex-NYPD detective and he's full of stories and strategies he used to use to tease evidence and confessions out of suspects. Earnest honesty and transparency is not one of them.

Proof will be in the pudding I guess. Wouldn't be the first time someone walked on a technicality.

Told you the case would be dropped

https://apnews.com/ae1ad252bb13490db2ceffc5d17b6d92?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

Good for him I guess.

And for the rest of us, I guess, as we all now know you're apparently not supposed to lie in an interview with law enforcement.  

And let's hope the conservative new-found demand for fair play from the justice system extends to the poor, minorities and immigrants.

[dec]

The Supreme Court has thrown out the Bridgegate convictions

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/07/supreme-court-bridgegate-decision-242344

"The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday tossed the federal government's case in the infamous "Bridgegate" scandal, clearing the convictions of two allies of former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
In a unanimous ruling that further chips away at the nation's public corruption case law, the justices concluded that the two defendants — Bridget Ann Kelly and Bill Baroni — did not defraud the government of its "property" by closing off two local access lanes to the George Washington Bridge over three days in September 2013.

The traffic-snarling political stunt was designed to punish a Democratic mayor who had refused to endorse Christie, a Republican, for reelection as New Jersey governor.

Justice Elena Kagan said the kinds of decisions Kelly and Baroni made — and their less-than-candid explanations for them — could not be prosecuted as fraud under federal law.

"If U. S. Attorneys could prosecute as property fraud every lie a state or local official tells in making such a decision, the result would be ... 'a sweeping expansion of federal criminal jurisdiction,'" Kagan wrote. "In effect, the Federal Government could use the criminal law to enforce (its view of) integrity in broad swaths of state and local policymaking. The property fraud statutes do not countenance that outcome."
Kagan sought to make clear that the court was not blessing the conduct of the former officials, only declaring that it was beyond the reach of federal corruption laws.

"As Kelly's own lawyer acknowledged, this case involves an 'abuse of power,' she wrote. "The evidence the jury heard no doubt shows wrongdoing—deception, corruption, abuse of power. But the federal fraud statutes at issue do not criminalize all such conduct."

[whitey]

J70-this was an attempted coup....plain and simple

Puts Watergate in the Hapenny place

FBIs credibility destroyed

Strok, Page and company should face serious jail time

[dec]

Corrupt Trump DOJ drops case against corrupt Trump National Security Advisor shocker.

[whitey]

Corrupt Trump DOJ drops case against corrupt Trump National Security Advisor shocker.

I'm a "never Trumper"

The facts of this case should chill every American to the bone

[J70]

J70-this was an attempted coup....plain and simple

Puts Watergate in the Hapenny place

FBIs credibility destroyed

Strok, Page and company should face serious jail time

Attempted coup. Way worse than Watergate. Did Flynn not do his naive, innocent, lying way AFTER the election?

For nothing going on, there's sure been a whole lot of lying, obstruction, changing of stories and covering up going on over the past few years.

And don't worry, I'm sure Barr will see to it that you and Trump get your pound of flesh.

But like I said, if the conservatives now hate the FBI, maybe they'll at least concede that non-federal police forces often behave less than honourably and that the likes of Black Lives Matter didn't spring up for no reason.

[J70]

The Supreme Court has thrown out the Bridgegate convictions

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/07/supreme-court-bridgegate-decision-242344

"The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday tossed the federal government's case in the infamous "Bridgegate" scandal, clearing the convictions of two allies of former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
In a unanimous ruling that further chips away at the nation's public corruption case law, the justices concluded that the two defendants — Bridget Ann Kelly and Bill Baroni — did not defraud the government of its "property" by closing off two local access lanes to the George Washington Bridge over three days in September 2013.

The traffic-snarling political stunt was designed to punish a Democratic mayor who had refused to endorse Christie, a Republican, for reelection as New Jersey governor.

Justice Elena Kagan said the kinds of decisions Kelly and Baroni made — and their less-than-candid explanations for them — could not be prosecuted as fraud under federal law.

"If U. S. Attorneys could prosecute as property fraud every lie a state or local official tells in making such a decision, the result would be ... 'a sweeping expansion of federal criminal jurisdiction,'" Kagan wrote. "In effect, the Federal Government could use the criminal law to enforce (its view of) integrity in broad swaths of state and local policymaking. The property fraud statutes do not countenance that outcome."
Kagan sought to make clear that the court was not blessing the conduct of the former officials, only declaring that it was beyond the reach of federal corruption laws.

"As Kelly's own lawyer acknowledged, this case involves an 'abuse of power,' she wrote. "The evidence the jury heard no doubt shows wrongdoing—deception, corruption, abuse of power. But the federal fraud statutes at issue do not criminalize all such conduct."

I've forgotten.

Were Christie's minions prosecuted under his justice department in NJ?

Or is it in fact now ok and legal to do what they did as petty political payback for their bully of a boss?

[whitey]

My best guess is that Flynn has some questionable actions in his past (maybe not illegal but definitely displaying poor judgement)

FBI got him on a technicality and threatened with turning his and his families lives upside down if he didn't plead guilty to a lesser charge and get a suspended sentence (goal was to make Trump look bad and continue the Russian BS narrative)

Judge Sullivan must not have read the script and screwed the whole thing up not not accepting Flynn's plea