As this is mainly a football site , I ask those from the 5 counties of Leitrim, Fernamagh, Longford, Louth and Cavan what they really think about the proposal to stop them playing league hurling and spend the resources on hurling coaching instead. Is this driven from within and does anyone really care about hurling here? Is there a genuine belief that the GAA is to blame for not promoting hurling in these counties or is that a convenient excuse for the actual truth that the county boards would prefer little or no interference from hurling so they can put all their resources into football?
The reason I ask is I hear the 'nobody here cares about hurling' and on the other hand 'the gaa has failed promotion of the game' in the same breath. The truth lies somehwere between.
Edit to remove caps in thread title...Mod5
A good friend of mine is currently or was last year the manager of Cavan hurling team, the effort him and the coaches put into the team are huge, throughout the league campaign and championship, the commitment he says the lads put in, is phenomenal.
Taking away that side of things will prevent the possibility of a league playoff final in Croke, dent serious effort required in the build up to championship.
Getting from preseason league to championship requires strength conditioning training 100's hours of drills, training games and a league campaign.
To expect a county to just turn up in May and play is just daft..
Trust me, these teams will be training away doing all their other stuff and will have competitive games lined up with various clubs and counties, the spend will probably be the same.
And why would you deny them that?
Is the GAA in debt?
A problem I have with the current system, Fermanagh has 1 club so basically 1 club contributing to the county team and getting tens of thousands spent on their players, furthering the gap between them and the emerging teams who are only fielding at underage at the minute
Quote from: Brendan on November 19, 2023, 01:30:28 PMA problem I have with the current system, Fermanagh has 1 club so basically 1 club contributing to the county team and getting tens of thousands spent on their players, furthering the gap between them and the emerging teams who are only fielding at underage at the minute
They play in another counties league, so they are competing and promoting hurling, and if it's only one team, they'll hardly be spending what Kilkenny spends on intercounty prep, Lisnaskea play also.. besides, not too many clubs in Fermanagh a football either
is there counties with only two junior hurling clubs so do they just one championship match a year
should they not have an ulster club league for hurling antrim derry down can maybe keep their leagues and championships the ulster club championship could be rest of ulster champions then down derry antrim champions.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 19, 2023, 02:52:02 PMshould they not have an ulster club league for hurling antrim derry down can maybe keep their leagues and championships the ulster club championship could be rest of ulster champions then down derry antrim champions.
There has been many formats over the years, there was a winter Ulster league (my last medal :'( ) that teams from all over played in prior to normal leagues.. nearly sure there was a mid Ulster league too..
Antrim caters for clubs from Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Down, we are certainly doing our bit in Ulster and long gone are the days of all Antrim club's winning the grades in the Ulster club, so standards across Ulster has improved..
The problem for most clubs is the duality of the various clubs and fitting those fixtures into already busy leagues..
https://twitter.com/ShaneSaint/status/1725590429783986442
Sambo seems very sure where the problem lies. You would think he knows the problems with hurling more than most in that part of the country/
Hard to disagree with anything Sambo is saying there.
Quote from: didlyi on November 19, 2023, 07:00:50 PMhttps://twitter.com/ShaneSaint/status/1725590429783986442
Sambo seems very sure where the problem lies. You would think he knows the problems with hurling more than most in that part of the country/
Sambo good for a sound byte, but if you want serious analysis best look elsewhere
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:04:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on November 19, 2023, 02:52:02 PMshould they not have an ulster club league for hurling antrim derry down can maybe keep their leagues and championships the ulster club championship could be rest of ulster champions then down derry antrim champions.
There has been many formats over the years, there was a winter Ulster league (my last medal :'( ) that teams from all over played in prior to normal leagues.. nearly sure there was a mid Ulster league too..
Antrim caters for clubs from Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Down, we are certainly doing our bit in Ulster and long gone are the days of all Antrim club's winning the grades in the Ulster club, so standards across Ulster has improved..
The problem for most clubs is the duality of the various clubs and fitting those fixtures into already busy leagues..
Don't think they allow teams in now, especially at underage level.
Dungannon and Na Magha (iirc) are in at league level but down the divisions at senior level.
Antrim happy enough not to promote other teams/counties which is fair enough.
Ulster League could be an option for the rest of the counties. Bit of travel but it could work.
Quote from: marty34 on November 19, 2023, 08:32:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:04:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on November 19, 2023, 02:52:02 PMshould they not have an ulster club league for hurling antrim derry down can maybe keep their leagues and championships the ulster club championship could be rest of ulster champions then down derry antrim champions.
There has been many formats over the years, there was a winter Ulster league (my last medal :'( ) that teams from all over played in prior to normal leagues.. nearly sure there was a mid Ulster league too..
Antrim caters for clubs from Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Down, we are certainly doing our bit in Ulster and long gone are the days of all Antrim club's winning the grades in the Ulster club, so standards across Ulster has improved..
The problem for most clubs is the duality of the various clubs and fitting those fixtures into already busy leagues..
Don't think they allow teams in now, especially at underage level.
Dungannon and Na Magha (iirc) are in at league level but down the divisions at senior level.
Antrim happy enough not to promote other teams/counties which is fair enough.
Ulster League could be an option for the rest of the counties. Bit of travel but it could work.
They are in at the level they are at, the best way for them to improve is by beating better teams
Well pumping money into training kids that probably are not that interested in being trained in the game wont help either. Personally I think the only way for hurling to thrive in counties like Cavan is for some sort of split season at underage. Example Football April to July, Hurling from Aug to Oct. In small clubs like mine, where you are pulling on the same kids for both sports well in Cavan there will only be one winner.
And to be honest, and I got big grief for this on another thread, small counties cannot afford to keep 2 intercounty teams running and should be focusing on their primary sport. Cavan hurling has improved but in reality an Intermediate club team in Antrim would probably hammer them and the reality is no one I know would even think about going to watch a game. Sorry.
Quote from: Itchy on November 19, 2023, 08:54:56 PMWell pumping money into training kids that probably are not that interested in being trained in the game wont help either. Personally I think the only way for hurling to thrive in counties like Cavan is for some sort of split season at underage. Example Football April to July, Hurling from Aug to Oct. In small clubs like mine, where you are pulling on the same kids for both sports well in Cavan there will only be one winner.
And to be honest, and I got big grief for this on another thread, small counties cannot afford to keep 2 intercounty teams running and should be focusing on their primary sport. Cavan hurling has improved but in reality an Intermediate club team in Antrim would probably hammer them and the reality is no one I know would even think about going to watch a game. Sorry.
Lads in Cavan that have an interest in hurling deserve the chance to represent their county and should be treated equally to the footballers, completely see where you're coming from.
Simply put their are plenty of clubs of a good size who should have hurling teans, there about 5/6 teams in Derry should have teas, the drive has to come from within the clubs, but unless the have people coming into the area from strong hurling backgrounds it's a struggle, Derry could in theory have 15/20 hurling teas if they put there mine to it, very little hurling is played in Derry primary schools,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2023, 09:52:44 PMSimply put their are plenty of clubs of a good size who should have hurling teans, there about 5/6 teams in Derry should have teas, the drive has to come from within the clubs, but unless the have people coming into the area from strong hurling backgrounds it's a struggle, Derry could in theory have 15/20 hurling teas if they put there mine to it, very little hurling is played in Derry primary schools,
In my underage playing days we played Derry teams at club level, the standard in those days was very good.
But in Derry big ball is king, I grew up watching a vibrant Derry county set up, but recently that's fallen away big time at intercounty level, club wise S'niel raised the bar, so potential is always there
Gaa people in Mayo are Gas, they talk about Hurling being a real mans game, the skill and the heritage. But feck all will send them to Hurling. In contrast they'll send them to play Soccer which they call a pansy game, with less skill and no heritage.
Hurling in all fairness needs good coaches with a traditional background, knowledge, experience and commitment. These kind of people are thin on the ground in Mayo.
Gaelic Football (and Soccer) only needs a trickle of those characteristics to succeed.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 19, 2023, 11:20:29 PMGaa people in Mayo are Gas, they talk about Hurling being a real mans game, the skill and the heritage. But feck all will send them to Hurling. In contrast they'll send them to play Soccer which they call a pansy game, with less skill and no heritage.
Hurling in all fairness needs good coaches with a traditional background, knowledge, experience and commitment. These kind of people are thin on the ground in Mayo.
Gaelic Football (and Soccer) only needs a trickle of those characteristics to succeed.
In non traditional counties it was possibly a blow in that made it thrive in a parish, or the Christian Brothers, which, certainly in Antrim, made it popular, think the Ards peninsula was the same.
No offence to GAA football but it's easier to look after and grow, hurling requires more effort and, unfortunately, parents buying into it
Hurlers have to start age 8 or so. The sport is heavily skils based and can't be picked up easily without a lot of practice. The sport is still mainly played where it was in the 18th century in an arc of land stretching from Wexford to Galway plus bits of Kerry, Dublin, Antrim and Down.
None of the big counties are really interested in hurling in Cavan or Longford. It's is like the problem in rugby with the RWC. There is no incentive to change.
The other thing is that the GAA does not have unlimited funds.
And nobody is interested in the equivalent of divisiona teams for weaker counties.
Longford etc are at the bottom of the system but close to the top it is hard to see Laois, Antrim etc bridging the gap to the top table.
I understand your argument that it takes more effort to promote hurling due to the unique skills of the game and helmets hurls etc.
But that is not a slight on Gaelic Football.
There's a reason soccer is the most popular sport in the world; because its the simplest game in the world; but can also be the most skillful at the highest level.
Quote from: Itchy on November 19, 2023, 08:54:56 PMWell pumping money into training kids that probably are not that interested in being trained in the game wont help either. Personally I think the only way for hurling to thrive in counties like Cavan is for some sort of split season at underage. Example Football April to July, Hurling from Aug to Oct. In small clubs like mine, where you are pulling on the same kids for both sports well in Cavan there will only be one winner.
And to be honest, and I got big grief for this on another thread, small counties cannot afford to keep 2 intercounty teams running and should be focusing on their primary sport. Cavan hurling has improved but in reality an Intermediate club team in Antrim would probably hammer them and the reality is no one I know would even think about going to watch a game. Sorry.
Offaly is similar in size to Cavan and are they any worse off for supporting both codes? The crux of the matter is the hurling resources being diverted to football. If your county board are as honest as you are then maybe hurling funds should be discarded altogether rather than squandering more resources?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 08:47:50 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 19, 2023, 08:32:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:04:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on November 19, 2023, 02:52:02 PMshould they not have an ulster club league for hurling antrim derry down can maybe keep their leagues and championships the ulster club championship could be rest of ulster champions then down derry antrim champions.
There has been many formats over the years, there was a winter Ulster league (my last medal :'( ) that teams from all over played in prior to normal leagues.. nearly sure there was a mid Ulster league too..
Antrim caters for clubs from Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Down, we are certainly doing our bit in Ulster and long gone are the days of all Antrim club's winning the grades in the Ulster club, so standards across Ulster has improved..
The problem for most clubs is the duality of the various clubs and fitting those fixtures into already busy leagues..
Don't think they allow teams in now, especially at underage level.
Dungannon and Na Magha (iirc) are in at league level but down the divisions at senior level.
Antrim happy enough not to promote other teams/counties which is fair enough.
Ulster League could be an option for the rest of the counties. Bit of travel but it could work.
They are in at the level they are at, the best way for them to improve is by beating better teams
Im sure that Dungannon pulled out of Antrim the season after the Damien Casey tragedy and Na Magha are withdrawing for next season.
Which leave the 3 Ards clubs in Division One, Bredagh and Carryduff in Div 3 and Div 2.
Cuchullains from Armagh will be plying their trade in Antrim Division 2 next season.
Quote from: Brendan on November 19, 2023, 01:30:28 PMA problem I have with the current system, Fermanagh has 1 club so basically 1 club contributing to the county team and getting tens of thousands spent on their players, furthering the gap between them and the emerging teams who are only fielding at underage at the minute
This is not correct-Fermanagh now has 3 adult teams; Lisbellaw, Lisnaskea and Erne Gaels.
I'll refer you to the link below which provides a good summary of the good work going into hurling in Fermanagh at underage level.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0821/1400831-green-shoots-emerging-in-fermanagh-hurling-landscape/
There are currently 7 teams playing hurling at U13 level - that's 7 clubs out of 21 clubs in total. As a % would there be many other counties promoting hurling as much across their clubs?
What the GAA is proposing to do to intercounty hurling in smaller counties is nothing short of a disgrace.
Hurling Club championship would be exciting if all the county champions went into a open draw.not saying it should because provincials provide an opportunity for a trophy.
Quote from: didlyi on November 20, 2023, 09:44:52 AMQuote from: Itchy on November 19, 2023, 08:54:56 PMWell pumping money into training kids that probably are not that interested in being trained in the game wont help either. Personally I think the only way for hurling to thrive in counties like Cavan is for some sort of split season at underage. Example Football April to July, Hurling from Aug to Oct. In small clubs like mine, where you are pulling on the same kids for both sports well in Cavan there will only be one winner.
And to be honest, and I got big grief for this on another thread, small counties cannot afford to keep 2 intercounty teams running and should be focusing on their primary sport. Cavan hurling has improved but in reality an Intermediate club team in Antrim would probably hammer them and the reality is no one I know would even think about going to watch a game. Sorry.
Offaly is similar in size to Cavan and are they any worse off for supporting both codes? The crux of the matter is the hurling resources being diverted to football. If your county board are as honest as you are then maybe hurling funds should be discarded altogether rather than squandering more resources?
Offaly is still partly in the hurling zone. It has the hurling and camogie culture. It has all Ireland winners. Cavan does not.
Quote from: seafoid on November 21, 2023, 08:46:49 AMQuote from: didlyi on November 20, 2023, 09:44:52 AMQuote from: Itchy on November 19, 2023, 08:54:56 PMWell pumping money into training kids that probably are not that interested in being trained in the game wont help either. Personally I think the only way for hurling to thrive in counties like Cavan is for some sort of split season at underage. Example Football April to July, Hurling from Aug to Oct. In small clubs like mine, where you are pulling on the same kids for both sports well in Cavan there will only be one winner.
And to be honest, and I got big grief for this on another thread, small counties cannot afford to keep 2 intercounty teams running and should be focusing on their primary sport. Cavan hurling has improved but in reality an Intermediate club team in Antrim would probably hammer them and the reality is no one I know would even think about going to watch a game. Sorry.
Offaly is similar in size to Cavan and are they any worse off for supporting both codes? The crux of the matter is the hurling resources being diverted to football. If your county board are as honest as you are then maybe hurling funds should be discarded altogether rather than squandering more resources?
Offaly is still partly in the hurling zone. It has the hurling and camogie culture. It has all Ireland winners. Cavan does not.
Yes Im well aware of that but what has it got to do with funding hurling in these counties that say they cant afford both codes?
What is the breakdown of the spend in those counties? How much is travel? How much is expensive coaches ? There has to be a more creative way of addressing the problem.
Quote from: seafoid on November 22, 2023, 10:03:27 AMWhat is the breakdown of the spend in those counties? How much is travel? How much is expensive coaches ? There has to be a more creative way of addressing the problem.
Think fuel is £1.44 at the minute, that can change, how much are expensive coaches? well funny enough they can be expensive ::) But I'm sure if they can find a cheap one they'll keep a eye out for them.
A creative way could be to play with no hurls and using roller blades ...
Quote from: FermPundit on November 20, 2023, 12:48:56 PMQuote from: Brendan on November 19, 2023, 01:30:28 PMA problem I have with the current system, Fermanagh has 1 club so basically 1 club contributing to the county team and getting tens of thousands spent on their players, furthering the gap between them and the emerging teams who are only fielding at underage at the minute
This is not correct-Fermanagh now has 3 adult teams; Lisbellaw, Lisnaskea and Erne Gaels.
I'll refer you to the link below which provides a good summary of the good work going into hurling in Fermanagh at underage level.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0821/1400831-green-shoots-emerging-in-fermanagh-hurling-landscape/
There are currently 7 teams playing hurling at U13 level - that's 7 clubs out of 21 clubs in total. As a % would there be many other counties promoting hurling as much across their clubs?
What the GAA is proposing to do to intercounty hurling in smaller counties is nothing short of a disgrace.
So, this Tain league they they bum and blow about obviously didn't have the impact they'd have hoped or we would have seen clubs grow and sustained in the likes of these counties...
Has anyone bothered to look under the rock of that particular problem?
I must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
It's a tricky one. If you're not from a hurling background at home it is difficult to keep momentum up past u14s. My wee lad played was handy enough but it started to clash with loads of other commitments Football, Soccer, other bits n pieces and he was always happy to leave the hurling. The games all tended to be a bit of a trek so as a parent I wasn't too bothered. They have tried hard in Tyrone but it'll be interesting to see if they really scratch the surface and can get one or two of those clubs through to adult. I severely doubt it. Your basically footballers playing hurling when they have a bit of spare time.
As solution is to merge a few counties, Fermanagh and Cavan maybe Monaghan. Armagh and Tyrone. Derry and Donegal. Compete in one league and then try and get a half decent county team out of that.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
Limerick footballers are far better treated than the hurlers in loads of other counties, poor analogy there my Kerry friend.
Kilkenny are the only real outlier in there and should also be called out on that, but it won't be Croke Park to do it as they haven't the toy dolls.
Image saying to Kilkenny that all coaching funding will be pulled if they don't put a serious development plan in place for their footballers as they'd also have to threaten similar to 15 or 16 counties in the reverse situation.
Travelling is a major issue in developing hurling teams at county level let alone club level, especially in Ulster and it's hard to change that but what can change is forcing kids to chose one GAA sport over the other by putting a bit more thought into fixture calendars and the likes.
There has to be a will to do it though.
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on November 20, 2023, 09:57:26 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 08:47:50 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 19, 2023, 08:32:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:04:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on November 19, 2023, 02:52:02 PMshould they not have an ulster club league for hurling antrim derry down can maybe keep their leagues and championships the ulster club championship could be rest of ulster champions then down derry antrim champions.
There has been many formats over the years, there was a winter Ulster league (my last medal :'( ) that teams from all over played in prior to normal leagues.. nearly sure there was a mid Ulster league too..
Antrim caters for clubs from Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Down, we are certainly doing our bit in Ulster and long gone are the days of all Antrim club's winning the grades in the Ulster club, so standards across Ulster has improved..
The problem for most clubs is the duality of the various clubs and fitting those fixtures into already busy leagues..
Don't think they allow teams in now, especially at underage level.
Dungannon and Na Magha (iirc) are in at league level but down the divisions at senior level.
Antrim happy enough not to promote other teams/counties which is fair enough.
Ulster League could be an option for the rest of the counties. Bit of travel but it could work.
They are in at the level they are at, the best way for them to improve is by beating better teams
Im sure that Dungannon pulled out of Antrim the season after the Damien Casey tragedy and Na Magha are withdrawing for next season.
Which leave the 3 Ards clubs in Division One, Bredagh and Carryduff in Div 3 and Div 2.
Cuchullains from Armagh will be plying their trade in Antrim Division 2 next season.
Strange that Keady & Middletown (Armagh) never bothered with the Antrim league, I assume this is a hangover from the 80s when Cuchulianns were the Armagh top dog. I can recall a conversation with a fine County & Middletown hurler who thought they were wasting their time in Antrim nowadays.
Cork, Tipp,Limerick and Kerry have separate hurling and football areas.
Kilkenny play junior.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 22, 2023, 01:16:43 PMQuote from: Antrim Coaster on November 20, 2023, 09:57:26 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 08:47:50 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 19, 2023, 08:32:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:04:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on November 19, 2023, 02:52:02 PMshould they not have an ulster club league for hurling antrim derry down can maybe keep their leagues and championships the ulster club championship could be rest of ulster champions then down derry antrim champions.
There has been many formats over the years, there was a winter Ulster league (my last medal :'( ) that teams from all over played in prior to normal leagues.. nearly sure there was a mid Ulster league too..
Antrim caters for clubs from Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Down, we are certainly doing our bit in Ulster and long gone are the days of all Antrim club's winning the grades in the Ulster club, so standards across Ulster has improved..
The problem for most clubs is the duality of the various clubs and fitting those fixtures into already busy leagues..
Don't think they allow teams in now, especially at underage level.
Dungannon and Na Magha (iirc) are in at league level but down the divisions at senior level.
Antrim happy enough not to promote other teams/counties which is fair enough.
Ulster League could be an option for the rest of the counties. Bit of travel but it could work.
They are in at the level they are at, the best way for them to improve is by beating better teams
Im sure that Dungannon pulled out of Antrim the season after the Damien Casey tragedy and Na Magha are withdrawing for next season.
Which leave the 3 Ards clubs in Division One, Bredagh and Carryduff in Div 3 and Div 2.
Cuchullains from Armagh will be plying their trade in Antrim Division 2 next season.
Strange that Keady & Middletown (Armagh) never bothered with the Antrim league, I assume this is a hangover from the 80s when Cuchulianns were the Armagh top dog. I can recall a conversation with a fine County & Middletown hurler who thought they were wasting their time in Antrim nowadays.
I'm nearly sure Keady (at some point played in Antrim leagues) Can never remember Middletown being in the leagues. Cuchulianns dipped their toe in and out of the leagues over the years, played a few games at the athletic grounds back in the day.. Sean Tracey's would have entered too
It wouldn't be hard to twin hurling counties with the 5 counties concerned. Get communication going, ogranise weekends, expose kids to hurling culture. It doesn't have to cost a fortune. Hurling people are very decent.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Dual players are not feasible any longer with the intensity of club and county.
Half of Cork is football. They have a problem with finals.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
Quote from: didlyi on November 24, 2023, 09:33:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.
Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
West and Southwest Cork is football country. The county is like Galway, divided in 2 GAA regions. Cork have a very decent number of football all Irelands compared to the other second line counties. I don't see why a ciarraíoch has to claim the Béal bocht on their behalf.
Getting rid of the provincial championship is what they actually need.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 25, 2023, 12:09:24 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 24, 2023, 09:33:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.
Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
This guy would ban hurling given half the chance. Wouldn't care too much on his views..
I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
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I don't know about the powers that be and their respect for hurling in Kerry but they have a very passionate hurling stronghold in North Kerry and their hurling team is fairly strong just below the Liam McCarthy. Kilkenny have neither a football team in league nor senior championship. There is literally no comparison between the two.
Quote from: blasmere on November 25, 2023, 07:28:14 PMI wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
I don't know about the powers that be and their respect for hurling in Kerry but they have a very passionate hurling stronghold in North Kerry and their hurling team is fairly strong just below the Liam McCarthy. Kilkenny have neither a football team in league nor senior championship. There is literally no comparison between the two.
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There are counties in the bottom tier of each code...
Should we be pulling New York for not hurling for a brave while? Or Leitrim for never being competitive in hurling? No, we promote it and try and work it. Promoting it by stopping them playing is daft..
Haven't heard a sensible argument for it
Hurling is just a much, much harder sport to play and coach
Cost wise for a family or club football is a much cheaper sport to run
Hurling is gone more like rugby in terms of physicality and Paudie Butler was highlighting that 15 years ago!
Gaelic football is gone more like basketball
Quote from: blasmere on November 25, 2023, 07:28:14 PMI wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
I don't know about the powers that be and their respect for hurling in Kerry but they have a very passionate hurling stronghold in North Kerry and their hurling team is fairly strong just below the Liam McCarthy. Kilkenny have neither a football team in league nor senior championship. There is literally no comparison between the two.
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You have taken my quote out of context. I was talking about tipp and Cork. Tipp have been in an AI semi final recently and Cork have won many AI finals in football. You brought Kilkenny into the argument as most football people do when making an argument for several football countries that have the same repsect for hurling as Kilkenny do do football. But thats just one Hurling county!
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1124/1418312-big-guns-back-smaller-counties-in-push-against-proposal/Hurling's big guns have all signed a statement calling on the GAA to withdraw a proposal to exclude any county with fewer than five adult hurling teams from the Allianz Leagues.
The resistance to the proposal - which would begin from 2025 onwards - continues to grow with the teams impacted now having the public backing of the GPA and the strongest counties in the country.
All 11 captains of the counties competing in the 2024 Liam MacCarthy Cup have signed a statement calling for a u-turn.
Quote from: didlyi on November 25, 2023, 06:58:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 25, 2023, 12:09:24 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 24, 2023, 09:33:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.
Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
You mentioned Kilkenny, appreciate only in relation to the other post, but that's why I mentioned it, there is literally no comparison between the two in this instance, maybe other football dominant counties with teams at the very bottom of the hurling levels, even though I appreciate that there's hurling mad people in those counties, they maybe don't get the backing they should, certainly not by the GAA, judging by the recent proposal.
Quote from: blasmere on November 28, 2023, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: didlyi on November 25, 2023, 06:58:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 25, 2023, 12:09:24 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 24, 2023, 09:33:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.
Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
You mentioned Kilkenny, appreciate only in relation to the other post, but that's why I mentioned it, there is literally no comparison between the two in this instance, maybe other football dominant counties with teams at the very bottom of the hurling levels, even though I appreciate that there's hurling mad people in those counties, they maybe don't get the backing they should, certainly not by the GAA, judging by the recent proposal.
Yeah with very little inside knowledge of how hurling is treated in Kerry - Kerry are a fairly well-established top-half intercounty hurling county and would seem to have a healthy club hurling scene with hurling seeming to growing (albeit slowly) in the county from what I've read/heard. Obviously hurling would be 2nd in terms of priorities but I would have said no real comparison with how Kilkenny treat football.
The controversial proposal to remove five counties from the Allianz Hurling Leagues looks set to be shelved.
The Irish Independent reports the plan will be pulled before this weekend's meeting of the GAA's Central Council.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 28, 2023, 04:20:23 PMThe controversial proposal to remove five counties from the Allianz Hurling Leagues looks set to be shelved.
The Irish Independent reports the plan will be pulled before this weekend's meeting of the GAA's Central Council.
Proper order.
A stupid and silly proposal faciliated by football people for football people encouraged by the likes of that waffler Spillane.
I thought this thread was about Derry
Should move Div 3 and 4 hurling to a summer league.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on November 28, 2023, 09:30:06 PMShould move Div 3 and 4 hurling to a summer league.
What are you smoking?
How does that matter?
Amalgamating teams is not a long term solution. The problem for smaller hurling counties and clubs is very often a lack of the necessary manpower to run the club so people are stretched and burn out. They don't have the people to go into schools and create connections. And in many clubs they are incapable of helping themselves because they either do not have the skills to strategise and prioritise or they don't have the time. In some cases those at the top in clubs and counties want to keep control and keeping the club small helps them. If county boards were serious about developing hurling they would step in and assist clubs to grow, it would cost though and there in lies the rub. Money is needed from Croke Park. The Hurling Officers in Ulster and in Counties are not properly deployed either. They go in to PS and take a class, 50% are girls and 70% of the boys are only doing it to get out of class for an hour, its a waste unless the PS is in a parish with a camogie and hurling club that identifies with that community. In many instances hurling clubs and camogie clubs are competing with a number of different football clubs and when push comes to shove football wins out.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2023, 11:45:35 AMQuote from: blasmere on November 28, 2023, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: didlyi on November 25, 2023, 06:58:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 25, 2023, 12:09:24 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 24, 2023, 09:33:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.
Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
You mentioned Kilkenny, appreciate only in relation to the other post, but that's why I mentioned it, there is literally no comparison between the two in this instance, maybe other football dominant counties with teams at the very bottom of the hurling levels, even though I appreciate that there's hurling mad people in those counties, they maybe don't get the backing they should, certainly not by the GAA, judging by the recent proposal.
Yeah with very little inside knowledge of how hurling is treated in Kerry - Kerry are a fairly well-established top-half intercounty hurling county and would seem to have a healthy club hurling scene with hurling seeming to growing (albeit slowly) in the county from what I've read/heard. Obviously hurling would be 2nd in terms of priorities but I would have said no real comparison with how Kilkenny treat football.
The Kerry hurling enclave is similar to the ones in Down and Antrim. It is too small to launch an all Ireland team. Clare and Offaly would be the next smallest in terms of hurling footprint.
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2023, 08:24:38 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2023, 11:45:35 AMQuote from: blasmere on November 28, 2023, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: didlyi on November 25, 2023, 06:58:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 25, 2023, 12:09:24 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 24, 2023, 09:33:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.
Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?
You mentioned Kilkenny, appreciate only in relation to the other post, but that's why I mentioned it, there is literally no comparison between the two in this instance, maybe other football dominant counties with teams at the very bottom of the hurling levels, even though I appreciate that there's hurling mad people in those counties, they maybe don't get the backing they should, certainly not by the GAA, judging by the recent proposal.
Yeah with very little inside knowledge of how hurling is treated in Kerry - Kerry are a fairly well-established top-half intercounty hurling county and would seem to have a healthy club hurling scene with hurling seeming to growing (albeit slowly) in the county from what I've read/heard. Obviously hurling would be 2nd in terms of priorities but I would have said no real comparison with how Kilkenny treat football.
The Kerry hurling enclave is similar to the ones in Down and Antrim. It is too small to launch an all Ireland team. Clare and Offaly would be the next smallest in terms of hurling footprint.
Jesus Wept
Yet another example of you not have a clue of what your talking about
the Hurling Area in Clare is bigger than the actual Size of Offaly itself
Clare would have not far off double the number of registered Hurling Players Offaly would have