Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[Gmac]

It's just out, and not a mandatory thing yet. Actually Excelsior Pass, not Empire.

Here's one story on it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/03/27/new-york-just-launched-a-digital-vaccine-pass-to-restart-concerts-sports-events-and-other-activities/amp/

for the us posters in particular the lifting of mask mandate and a fully open economy in Texas and Mississippi seem to have had no bearing on cases . Is it vaccination or are the masks overrated.

[tyrone08]

Canada the latest to take action on the AZ vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

They must be anti-vaxx lunatics too.

4 people developed blood clots out of 20 million doses given in EU. The guardain article even highlighted that no blood clots have been observed in Canada.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-issue-wont-go-away/618451/

Just that short pause sparked despair and condemnation. Commentators and public-health experts called it "stupid, harmful, "quite dangerous," and a "magnificent example of European failure." The problem, they said, was that the actual evidence of harm had been very weak—and maybe even nonexistent. Writing in The New York Times on March 22, Heidi Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, noted that just 25 Europeans had developed blood clots, out of 20 million who received the AstraZeneca vaccine. That rate, she said, was lower than what you'd normally see among unvaccinated people. According to the statistician David Spiegelhalter, the furor over blood clots showed our "basic and often creative urge to find patterns even where none exist."

If I told you 93% of people who are recorded as Covid deaths, had underlying health conditions - what would that statistic tell you?

What you quoted there stated just 25 Europeans out of 20 million with an AZ jab developed blood clots. Yet Germany is suspending it after 31 reported cases of blood clot, a woman died in Austria a few weeks back from it too, another woman was seriously ill at the same time.

Coincidence theorism is out in force.

The quote is from the article which is probably a few days old. So 31 clots have occurred out of 29 million jabs wordwide. People are looking to find links which aren't necessarily there.

The birth control pill is proven to have raise the risk of blood clots but its still bring taken daily by millions.

If there are serious risks then they need investigated but stopping the drug being given during a pandemic when every regulator says the risk greatly outweighs any potential side effect is going to prolong covid further.

[J70]

It's just out, and not a mandatory thing yet. Actually Excelsior Pass, not Empire.

Here's one story on it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/03/27/new-york-just-launched-a-digital-vaccine-pass-to-restart-concerts-sports-events-and-other-activities/amp/

for the us posters in particular the lifting of mask mandate and a fully open economy in Texas and Mississippi seem to have had no bearing on cases . Is it vaccination or are the masks overrated.

Let's not celebrate just yet.

The mask mandate was only lifted a few weeks ago. And what was the rate of mask wearing in those places in the first place? Are those people huddled together in indoor spaces for any lengths of time?

Why would you think that masks are overrated?

No one has said they're the panacaea. They're one element, along with the social distancing, hand hygiene, testing, vaccines and the rest. Their purpose is to limit the amount of virus a potentially infected person will exhale. They're not respirators, so the protection offered in terms of inhalation is limited.

[Gmac]

It's just out, and not a mandatory thing yet. Actually Excelsior Pass, not Empire.

Here's one story on it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/03/27/new-york-just-launched-a-digital-vaccine-pass-to-restart-concerts-sports-events-and-other-activities/amp/

for the us posters in particular the lifting of mask mandate and a fully open economy in Texas and Mississippi seem to have had no bearing on cases . Is it vaccination or are the masks overrated.

Let's not celebrate just yet.

The mask mandate was only lifted a few weeks ago. And what was the rate of mask wearing in those places in the first place? Are those people huddled together in indoor spaces for any lengths of time?

Why would you think that masks are overrated?

No one has said they're the panacaea. They're one element, along with the social distancing, hand hygiene, testing, vaccines and the rest. Their purpose is to limit the amount of virus a potentially infected person will exhale. They're not respirators, so the protection offered in terms of inhalation is limited.

who's celebrating? It's a bit of good news for a change, a lot on here would be happy if it was going badly there . I never said they didn't work .

[Angelo]

Canada the latest to take action on the AZ vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

They must be anti-vaxx lunatics too.

4 people developed blood clots out of 20 million doses given in EU. The guardain article even highlighted that no blood clots have been observed in Canada.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-issue-wont-go-away/618451/

Just that short pause sparked despair and condemnation. Commentators and public-health experts called it "stupid, harmful, "quite dangerous," and a "magnificent example of European failure." The problem, they said, was that the actual evidence of harm had been very weak—and maybe even nonexistent. Writing in The New York Times on March 22, Heidi Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, noted that just 25 Europeans had developed blood clots, out of 20 million who received the AstraZeneca vaccine. That rate, she said, was lower than what you'd normally see among unvaccinated people. According to the statistician David Spiegelhalter, the furor over blood clots showed our "basic and often creative urge to find patterns even where none exist."

If I told you 93% of people who are recorded as Covid deaths, had underlying health conditions - what would that statistic tell you?

What you quoted there stated just 25 Europeans out of 20 million with an AZ jab developed blood clots. Yet Germany is suspending it after 31 reported cases of blood clot, a woman died in Austria a few weeks back from it too, another woman was seriously ill at the same time.

Coincidence theorism is out in force.

The quote is from the article which is probably a few days old. So 31 clots have occurred out of 29 million jabs wordwide. People are looking to find links which aren't necessarily there.

The birth control pill is proven to have raise the risk of blood clots but its still bring taken daily by millions.

If there are serious risks then they need investigated but stopping the drug being given during a pandemic when every regulator says the risk greatly outweighs any potential side effect is going to prolong covid further.

No, no, no.

31cases in Germany alone.

[Evil Genius]

Canada the latest to take action on the AZ vaccine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

They must be anti-vaxx lunatics too.

4 people developed blood clots out of 20 million doses given in EU. The guardain article even highlighted that no blood clots have been observed in Canada.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-issue-wont-go-away/618451/

Just that short pause sparked despair and condemnation. Commentators and public-health experts called it "stupid, harmful, "quite dangerous," and a "magnificent example of European failure." The problem, they said, was that the actual evidence of harm had been very weak—and maybe even nonexistent. Writing in The New York Times on March 22, Heidi Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, noted that just 25 Europeans had developed blood clots, out of 20 million who received the AstraZeneca vaccine. That rate, she said, was lower than what you'd normally see among unvaccinated people. According to the statistician David Spiegelhalter, the furor over blood clots showed our "basic and often creative urge to find patterns even where none exist."

If I told you 93% of people who are recorded as Covid deaths, had underlying health conditions - what would that statistic tell you?

What you quoted there stated just 25 Europeans out of 20 million with an AZ jab developed blood clots. Yet Germany is suspending it after 31 reported cases of blood clot, a woman died in Austria a few weeks back from it too, another woman was seriously ill at the same time.

Coincidence theorism is out in force.

The quote is from the article which is probably a few days old. So 31 clots have occurred out of 29 million jabs wordwide. People are looking to find links which aren't necessarily there.

The birth control pill is proven to have raise the risk of blood clots but its still bring taken daily by millions.

If there are serious risks then they need investigated but stopping the drug being given during a pandemic when every regulator says the risk greatly outweighs any potential side effect is going to prolong covid further.

No, no, no.

31cases in Germany alone.

The UK has just announced the lowest number of deaths from Covid since October.

And the number of total deaths for this month is now below the (annual) March average.

Meanwhile,  the number of Covid cases continues to level off, at an average of 5,066 new confirmed infections a day over the last seven days. The 4,040 cases announced today compares with 5,379 new cases a week ago. (The equivalent in Germany for last week was over 20k a day).

In hospitals, the number of patients continues to fall, with 4,153 at the latest count. At its January peak, the figure for hospitalisation was almost 40,000.

While the number of vaccinations administered has now passed 34m, approximately half of those AZ.

[From the Bunker]

With all the deaths from Covid, has the world's population shrank in the last year? You'd expect that all these deaths in addition to the normal reasons would mean there are a lot less people in the world?

[Milltown Row2]

With all the deaths from Covid, has the world's population shrank in the last year? You'd expect that all these deaths in addition to the normal reasons would mean there are a lot less people in the world?

I'm sure there's some p***k that knows that number

[Louther]

With all the deaths from Covid, has the world's population shrank in the last year? You'd expect that all these deaths in addition to the normal reasons would mean there are a lot less people in the world?

Was actually reading that Italy's population has fallen by over 300k in last year. This isn't down to Covid entirely but reflects their aging population and falling birth rates in developed countries.

Birth rate in January/February 2021 has fallen dramatically in Ireland despite the lockdown which suggests that the unplanned births from casual encounters didn't happen as much. No nookie No Nanny's.

[From the Bunker]

With all the deaths from Covid, has the world's population shrank in the last year? You'd expect that all these deaths in addition to the normal reasons would mean there are a lot less people in the world?

Was actually reading that Italy's population has fallen by over 300k in last year. This isn't down to Covid entirely but reflects their aging population and falling birth rates in developed countries.

Birth rate in January/February 2021 has fallen dramatically in Ireland despite the lockdown which suggests that the unplanned births from casual encounters didn't happen as much. No nookie No Nanny's.

With such a rampant contagious disease you'd expect populations to decrease dramatically. With half a million dead in the USA alone.

[trueblue1234]

With all the deaths from Covid, has the world's population shrank in the last year? You'd expect that all these deaths in addition to the normal reasons would mean there are a lot less people in the world?

Was actually reading that Italy's population has fallen by over 300k in last year. This isn't down to Covid entirely but reflects their aging population and falling birth rates in developed countries.

Birth rate in January/February 2021 has fallen dramatically in Ireland despite the lockdown which suggests that the unplanned births from casual encounters didn't happen as much. No nookie No Nanny's.

With such a rampant contagious disease you'd expect populations to decrease dramatically. With half a million dead in the USA alone.

Birth rate in US is around 4 million I think.

[Louther]

The application to work at the Vaccination centres in the 26 is on a par with the level of insanity that makes the HSE so inefficient and costly. It will struggle to get the required numbers to work in them, even if willing to volunteer.

If you already working in HSE or as a GP it doesn't seem to matter. There is reams of paperwork to submit. Police vetting from every country for every address you have lived in, clearance from every employer you have had, full CV and the best yet, copy of exam results for every exam taken since Junior Cert.

The wife looked at this and give up. She has lived/worked in UK and Australia and would take weeks to get the police clearance and employer clearance. She has been through this before for vetting but current vetting is required. As for the junior cert, wasn't even called the junior cert when she sat it and has no idea where the results even are.

Many saying the same included nurses, doctors and surgeons all willing to help as volunteers if needed to get this done but can see issues coming down the tracks. They have pushed the application closing date 4 times now which show the alarm bells ringing.

Why can't they just put HSE registered staff across into these centres and move quickly.

[armaghniac]

The application to work at the Vaccination centres in the 26 is on a par with the level of insanity that makes the HSE so inefficient and costly. It will struggle to get the required numbers to work in them, even if willing to volunteer.

There have been several examples of doctors etc, coming on the radio about this.
It does not surprise me, all HR departments are a complete law onto themselves and have no interest in the actual need for the job being done.

Edit: I was just speaking to someone whose brother was a recently retired surgeon in England. He put himself forward for the vaccination, but gave up because of all the bureaucracy, hand-washing courses (for a surgeon), child protection (when children do not get this vaccine) etc. So it is no better in England than in the ROI.

[trailer]

The application to work at the Vaccination centres in the 26 is on a par with the level of insanity that makes the HSE so inefficient and costly. It will struggle to get the required numbers to work in them, even if willing to volunteer.

If you already working in HSE or as a GP it doesn't seem to matter. There is reams of paperwork to submit. Police vetting from every country for every address you have lived in, clearance from every employer you have had, full CV and the best yet, copy of exam results for every exam taken since Junior Cert.

The wife looked at this and give up. She has lived/worked in UK and Australia and would take weeks to get the police clearance and employer clearance. She has been through this before for vetting but current vetting is required. As for the junior cert, wasn't even called the junior cert when she sat it and has no idea where the results even are.

Many saying the same included nurses, doctors and surgeons all willing to help as volunteers if needed to get this done but can see issues coming down the tracks. They have pushed the application closing date 4 times now which show the alarm bells ringing.

Why can't they just put HSE registered staff across into these centres and move quickly.

If I am right the UK had did have a similar issue. Not sure how they resolved or if they did but there was definitely a paperwork issue in the beginning.

[Rossfan]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40254977.html