Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[sid waddell]

This type of thing was always going to happen the further we got down the line with the vaccine.

The people being vaccinated against Covid are the weakest of the population, nobody lives forever. We need to keep a level head here, people will always die. We must not assume it is because of the vaccine. Or any complications were because of the vaccine.

At the start of the Covid discussion this was the stick to beat people with, do people not die anymore etc. Now it's starting to go full circle.

With Covid there is a tendency to be 100% one view or the other. As with life however, there are areas that fall between the extremes. This is one of those. People should not jump on the anti vax train here because of blood clotting reports - we need to continue doing what we are doing, if there is an issue of course it must be treated with complete seriousness, but I think the Irish Govt has unnecessarily caused a bit of trouble here.

This is going to continue now for the foreseeable. Hopefully its a panic over nothing, it's good to see people being cautious obviously but it really does nothing for the programme, the younger buy in, and a return to 'normal' life.

The proportion of people getting clots is consistent with the number who would normally get clots in the overall population. If nobody got clots having had the vaccine then the vaccine would be rightly hailed as a miracle cure for clots. 13 people have had clots out of millions of people who've received the vaccine.

It's less

[Milltown Row2]

This type of thing was always going to happen the further we got down the line with the vaccine.

The people being vaccinated against Covid are the weakest of the population, nobody lives forever. We need to keep a level head here, people will always die. We must not assume it is because of the vaccine. Or any complications were because of the vaccine.

At the start of the Covid discussion this was the stick to beat people with, do people not die anymore etc. Now it's starting to go full circle.

With Covid there is a tendency to be 100% one view or the other. As with life however, there are areas that fall between the extremes. This is one of those. People should not jump on the anti vax train here because of blood clotting reports - we need to continue doing what we are doing, if there is an issue of course it must be treated with complete seriousness, but I think the Irish Govt has unnecessarily caused a bit of trouble here.

This is going to continue now for the foreseeable. Hopefully its a panic over nothing, it's good to see people being cautious obviously but it really does nothing for the programme, the younger buy in, and a return to 'normal' life.

The proportion of people getting clots is consistent with the number who would normally get clots in the overall population. If nobody got clots having had the vaccine then the vaccine would be rightly hailed as a miracle cure for clots. 13 people have had clots out of millions of people who've received the vaccine.

Are blood clots common in young people? This is typical of the narrative here

If someone dies or gets ill with Covid - tie the death or illness to Covid.

If someone dies or gets ill shortly after getting a vaccine - do not investigate any potential link to the vaccine.

It's confirmation bias and it's very sinisiter.

There is clearly enough concern from regulatory bodies to want to investigate the cause but we have a person of complete ignorance like you telling us that everything is grand?

Dead on.

Are the young people getting the vaccine now?

[Angelo]

This type of thing was always going to happen the further we got down the line with the vaccine.

The people being vaccinated against Covid are the weakest of the population, nobody lives forever. We need to keep a level head here, people will always die. We must not assume it is because of the vaccine. Or any complications were because of the vaccine.

At the start of the Covid discussion this was the stick to beat people with, do people not die anymore etc. Now it's starting to go full circle.

With Covid there is a tendency to be 100% one view or the other. As with life however, there are areas that fall between the extremes. This is one of those. People should not jump on the anti vax train here because of blood clotting reports - we need to continue doing what we are doing, if there is an issue of course it must be treated with complete seriousness, but I think the Irish Govt has unnecessarily caused a bit of trouble here.

This is going to continue now for the foreseeable. Hopefully its a panic over nothing, it's good to see people being cautious obviously but it really does nothing for the programme, the younger buy in, and a return to 'normal' life.

The proportion of people getting clots is consistent with the number who would normally get clots in the overall population. If nobody got clots having had the vaccine then the vaccine would be rightly hailed as a miracle cure for clots. 13 people have had clots out of millions of people who've received the vaccine.

Are blood clots common in young people? This is typical of the narrative here

If someone dies or gets ill with Covid - tie the death or illness to Covid.

If someone dies or gets ill shortly after getting a vaccine - do not investigate any potential link to the vaccine.

It's confirmation bias and it's very sinisiter.

There is clearly enough concern from regulatory bodies to want to investigate the cause but we have a person of complete ignorance like you telling us that everything is grand?

Dead on.

Are the young people getting the vaccine now?

Seems like you are commenting from a position of ignorance again.

The clotting cases in Norway relate to 4 young people.

The cases in Austria was where a 49 year old died from clotting after the vaccine and a 35 year old woman was in a serious condition.

[J70]

That seems like a very low number out of millions vaccinated and very probably just coincidental.

But yeah, they should obviously look at the case histories.

[Milltown Row2]

This type of thing was always going to happen the further we got down the line with the vaccine.

The people being vaccinated against Covid are the weakest of the population, nobody lives forever. We need to keep a level head here, people will always die. We must not assume it is because of the vaccine. Or any complications were because of the vaccine.

At the start of the Covid discussion this was the stick to beat people with, do people not die anymore etc. Now it's starting to go full circle.

With Covid there is a tendency to be 100% one view or the other. As with life however, there are areas that fall between the extremes. This is one of those. People should not jump on the anti vax train here because of blood clotting reports - we need to continue doing what we are doing, if there is an issue of course it must be treated with complete seriousness, but I think the Irish Govt has unnecessarily caused a bit of trouble here.

This is going to continue now for the foreseeable. Hopefully its a panic over nothing, it's good to see people being cautious obviously but it really does nothing for the programme, the younger buy in, and a return to 'normal' life.

The proportion of people getting clots is consistent with the number who would normally get clots in the overall population. If nobody got clots having had the vaccine then the vaccine would be rightly hailed as a miracle cure for clots. 13 people have had clots out of millions of people who've received the vaccine.

Are blood clots common in young people? This is typical of the narrative here

If someone dies or gets ill with Covid - tie the death or illness to Covid.

If someone dies or gets ill shortly after getting a vaccine - do not investigate any potential link to the vaccine.

It's confirmation bias and it's very sinisiter.

There is clearly enough concern from regulatory bodies to want to investigate the cause but we have a person of complete ignorance like you telling us that everything is grand?

Dead on.

Are the young people getting the vaccine now?

Seems like you are commenting from a position of ignorance again.

The clotting cases in Norway relate to 4 young people.

The cases in Austria was where a 49 year old died from clotting after the vaccine and a 35 year old woman was in a serious condition.

You were in favour of just letting old people die, as that's what happens, as an acceptable part of life and we shouldn't be concerned with old people dying, but 4 people get a clot and you have a complaint? Christ the night

[Angelo]

This type of thing was always going to happen the further we got down the line with the vaccine.

The people being vaccinated against Covid are the weakest of the population, nobody lives forever. We need to keep a level head here, people will always die. We must not assume it is because of the vaccine. Or any complications were because of the vaccine.

At the start of the Covid discussion this was the stick to beat people with, do people not die anymore etc. Now it's starting to go full circle.

With Covid there is a tendency to be 100% one view or the other. As with life however, there are areas that fall between the extremes. This is one of those. People should not jump on the anti vax train here because of blood clotting reports - we need to continue doing what we are doing, if there is an issue of course it must be treated with complete seriousness, but I think the Irish Govt has unnecessarily caused a bit of trouble here.

This is going to continue now for the foreseeable. Hopefully its a panic over nothing, it's good to see people being cautious obviously but it really does nothing for the programme, the younger buy in, and a return to 'normal' life.

The proportion of people getting clots is consistent with the number who would normally get clots in the overall population. If nobody got clots having had the vaccine then the vaccine would be rightly hailed as a miracle cure for clots. 13 people have had clots out of millions of people who've received the vaccine.

Are blood clots common in young people? This is typical of the narrative here

If someone dies or gets ill with Covid - tie the death or illness to Covid.

If someone dies or gets ill shortly after getting a vaccine - do not investigate any potential link to the vaccine.

It's confirmation bias and it's very sinisiter.

There is clearly enough concern from regulatory bodies to want to investigate the cause but we have a person of complete ignorance like you telling us that everything is grand?

Dead on.

Are the young people getting the vaccine now?

Seems like you are commenting from a position of ignorance again.

The clotting cases in Norway relate to 4 young people.

The cases in Austria was where a 49 year old died from clotting after the vaccine and a 35 year old woman was in a serious condition.

You were in favour of just letting old people die, as that's what happens, as an acceptable part of life and we shouldn't be concerned with old people dying, but 4 people get a clot and you have a complaint? Christ the night

You see this is the type of moronic engagement someone can expect from you. You will debase any topic with hysterical statements like that.

Of course I did not want old people to die and I was not in favour of it and you saying I did is both tactless and deceitful.

Do you want me to respond in kind by saying you want young people to die? Is that the type of discussion you strive for?

And bizarrely enough I'm the guy who will draw ire from the mob on here for having to put with your moronic comments.

[lenny]

This type of thing was always going to happen the further we got down the line with the vaccine.

The people being vaccinated against Covid are the weakest of the population, nobody lives forever. We need to keep a level head here, people will always die. We must not assume it is because of the vaccine. Or any complications were because of the vaccine.

At the start of the Covid discussion this was the stick to beat people with, do people not die anymore etc. Now it's starting to go full circle.

With Covid there is a tendency to be 100% one view or the other. As with life however, there are areas that fall between the extremes. This is one of those. People should not jump on the anti vax train here because of blood clotting reports - we need to continue doing what we are doing, if there is an issue of course it must be treated with complete seriousness, but I think the Irish Govt has unnecessarily caused a bit of trouble here.

This is going to continue now for the foreseeable. Hopefully its a panic over nothing, it's good to see people being cautious obviously but it really does nothing for the programme, the younger buy in, and a return to 'normal' life.

The proportion of people getting clots is consistent with the number who would normally get clots in the overall population. If nobody got clots having had the vaccine then the vaccine would be rightly hailed as a miracle cure for clots. 13 people have had clots out of millions of people who've received the vaccine.

Are blood clots common in young people? This is typical of the narrative here

If someone dies or gets ill with Covid - tie the death or illness to Covid.

If someone dies or gets ill shortly after getting a vaccine - do not investigate any potential link to the vaccine.

It's confirmation bias and it's very sinisiter.

There is clearly enough concern from regulatory bodies to want to investigate the cause but we have a person of complete ignorance like you telling us that everything is grand?

Dead on.

Are the young people getting the vaccine now?

Seems like you are commenting from a position of ignorance again.

The clotting cases in Norway relate to 4 young people.

The cases in Austria was where a 49 year old died from clotting after the vaccine and a 35 year old woman was in a serious condition.

Venous thromboembolism ie clots has a background rate in population of 120 in 100,000 (0.12%) age 50, 50 in 100,000 age 25. The numbers who've developed clots post vaccine are consistent with the background number in the general population.

[Angelo]

This type of thing was always going to happen the further we got down the line with the vaccine.

The people being vaccinated against Covid are the weakest of the population, nobody lives forever. We need to keep a level head here, people will always die. We must not assume it is because of the vaccine. Or any complications were because of the vaccine.

At the start of the Covid discussion this was the stick to beat people with, do people not die anymore etc. Now it's starting to go full circle.

With Covid there is a tendency to be 100% one view or the other. As with life however, there are areas that fall between the extremes. This is one of those. People should not jump on the anti vax train here because of blood clotting reports - we need to continue doing what we are doing, if there is an issue of course it must be treated with complete seriousness, but I think the Irish Govt has unnecessarily caused a bit of trouble here.

This is going to continue now for the foreseeable. Hopefully its a panic over nothing, it's good to see people being cautious obviously but it really does nothing for the programme, the younger buy in, and a return to 'normal' life.

The proportion of people getting clots is consistent with the number who would normally get clots in the overall population. If nobody got clots having had the vaccine then the vaccine would be rightly hailed as a miracle cure for clots. 13 people have had clots out of millions of people who've received the vaccine.

Are blood clots common in young people? This is typical of the narrative here

If someone dies or gets ill with Covid - tie the death or illness to Covid.

If someone dies or gets ill shortly after getting a vaccine - do not investigate any potential link to the vaccine.

It's confirmation bias and it's very sinisiter.

There is clearly enough concern from regulatory bodies to want to investigate the cause but we have a person of complete ignorance like you telling us that everything is grand?

Dead on.

Are the young people getting the vaccine now?

Seems like you are commenting from a position of ignorance again.

The clotting cases in Norway relate to 4 young people.

The cases in Austria was where a 49 year old died from clotting after the vaccine and a 35 year old woman was in a serious condition.

Venous thromboembolism ie clots has a background rate in population of 120 in 100,000 (0.12%) age 50, 50 in 100,000 age 25. The numbers who've developed clots post vaccine are consistent with the background number in the general population.

And would numbers not be very high in that cohort. 4 young people getting this shortly after being administered in Norway (a population of around 5m) with the AZ vaccine is a serious issue and deserves to be investigated further.

[Milltown Row2]

Out of the 17 million vaccine jabs given throughout Europe it said on the news 50 were hospitalised from the vaccine.

[From the Bunker]

Out of the 17 million vaccine jabs given throughout Europe it said on the news 50 were hospitalised from the vaccine.

So what you are saying is that lives in danger from the Vaccine are less important than lives in danger from Covid-19?

[Tony Baloney]

Out of the 17 million vaccine jabs given throughout Europe it said on the news 50 were hospitalised from the vaccine.

So what you are saying is that lives in danger from the Vaccine are less important than lives in danger from Covid-19?

That much is clear. Almost 900,000 deaths in Europe vs 50 accine hospitalizations.

[From the Bunker]

Out of the 17 million vaccine jabs given throughout Europe it said on the news 50 were hospitalised from the vaccine.

So what you are saying is that lives in danger from the Vaccine are less important than lives in danger from Covid-19?

That much is clear. Almost 900,000 deaths in Europe vs 50 accine hospitalizations.

So far, 50 vaccine hospitalisations, could be more in time? Then again, Covid-19 cancellation is the main aim regardless of the cost.

[Milltown Row2]

Out of the 17 million vaccine jabs given throughout Europe it said on the news 50 were hospitalised from the vaccine.

So what you are saying is that lives in danger from the Vaccine are less important than lives in danger from Covid-19?

Unless you are completely thick, I just put the figures up, I said nothing else.

If you want to draw your own conclusions knock yourself out

[Angelo]

Out of the 17 million vaccine jabs given throughout Europe it said on the news 50 were hospitalised from the vaccine.

So what you are saying is that lives in danger from the Vaccine are less important than lives in danger from Covid-19?

That much is clear. Almost 900,000 deaths in Europe vs 50 accine hospitalizations.

This is the type of complete disingenuous narrative that guys like you engage in.

There's been deaths from the vaccines, it is right they are stopped and investigated and people have a right to be concerned regarding this.

If you're are in an at risk category the benefits exceed the risk. If you are not then you have reason to skeptical and your choice be respected.

[Tony Baloney]

Out of the 17 million vaccine jabs given throughout Europe it said on the news 50 were hospitalised from the vaccine.

So what you are saying is that lives in danger from the Vaccine are less important than lives in danger from Covid-19?

That much is clear. Almost 900,000 deaths in Europe vs 50 accine hospitalizations.

So far, 50 vaccine hospitalisations, could be more in time? Then again, Covid-19 cancellation is the main aim regardless of the cost.

Or you could not bother with a vaccine just in case and let people continue to die and economies turned to shit.