Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[Seaney]

More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.

That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

I've no problem with that..

Sure you don't - but you look like the moral guardian again in your wee domain!  So what treatment do you think should be "free at point of entry" even know we all pay our national insurance, on the NHS - can you give a list?

Prescriptions shouldn't be free for starters, if you're employed.

£50 fee for seeing the doctor, again, if employed.

Incentives or payments towards going private for the likes of non emergency treatments, so for instances free glasses and hearing aids, in the South they give, for hearing up to £1000 off providing they have PRSI

Private health care should be built into jobs..

We are not helping ourselves with obesity and smoking and poor general health, fast foods and sugar filled food isn't helping

I'm going for my first doctors appointment in nearly 30 years, it took three hours to get through on the phone, then the doctor (trainee GP) asked what was wrong and then gave me an appointment. My point is, I was working out of a doctors surgery for 3 years, every Friday, the same people were queued up the street in all weathers at 8am waiting to be seen by the doctors when they opened up at 9am.. How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that? The system needs looking at, its broken.

That's not a government problem essentially, that's generations of people not looking after themselves.

I've daughter that wasn't well, usual stuff from doctors was do this and try that, ended up went private, the specialist was able to sort everything out and arrange a set of treatment to help. This was after being fobbed off by the GP, in fairness to the GP they only have 15 minutes and have no specialised facilities to see what's wrong, just a referral, that will take up to a year, if your lucky.

I'm lucky that I am able to afford private care, if needed. If we want good health care then we as employed people have to pay more into it, and if we have better employment then more money would be invested into it

Are you in the medical profession? How did you determine these folk didn't need to see a doctor?

[Milltown Row2]

The comedy continues

[Seaney]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

[Milltown Row2]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

[dublin7]

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding,

Unfortunately your ignorance is even more astounding than my patronising.

A humble patronising keyboard warrior - who would have thought.

I'll leave you to grab the last word as I'm sure in your head it'll somehow validate your "argument".



Anyway. In summary:
- vaccine is fundamentally safe unless you have an allergy to any of the carrier chemicals.
- vaccine is required to protect not only people from covid, but people from other ailments as they will get treated quicker, better and not have to run the gauntlet of getting covid in hospital with an already compromised immune system.
- vaccine is required to get the economy up and running, as a drastic spike in cases and sickness will only see further economic contractions and job losses.
- vaccine is required to protect people from the mental anguish of losing loved ones, especially those that are carers for others.

And Ill leave you to quote where I have voiced anti-vax sentiments as opposed to a cautious approach to an expediently developed vaccine, but don't let truth get in the way of your narrative.

Your chemical engineer friend who you like to quote doesn't let the truth or facts get in the way of his/her opinions either. Next time he/she tries to give you any information/stats for vaccines or covid issues have a word.

You are really hung up on someone you know nothing about, his advice is sound.

His stats aren't sound so I wouldn't believe anything he says. I have't seen any chemical engineers cited in any of the Pfizer documents for their work on the vaccine for example or on the news advising people on how to deal with Covid. Have you? It seems you like seeing and hearing what you like and ignore everything else.

You say his advice is sound but despite numerous requests from multiple posters you can't give us a reasonable reason or his his advice as why not to get vaccinated for Covid.

You also keep saying look back in the thread, but as pointed out by everyone else you've never answered it and it's been your standard go to excuse in the whole thread. It's a simple question, but you can't answer it for some unknown reason

You are obsessed with a man who has never read this board.

I see you replied to my 1st paragraph but in typical Seany/Angelo style you ignore and refuse to answer the simple question that followed. Why is that?  Please don't keep insisting you've answered already as we both know that's not true

Let's try again. Why are you so against the vaccine and do not want to take it? It's a simple, reasonable question yet you refuse to answer it

[imtommygunn]

Dublin7 there is no point. It's just wind at this point.

[LeoMc]

We all pay NI, the more your earn the more you pay, will you have a cap like 50K or something you have to be earning before you pay to see a doctor, might it not put folk off who are ill forking out 50 quid for a doctors appointment and cause longer harm?  Just because you can afford it doesn't mean all workers could, I remember where prescriptions were 5.50 or something I had no issue paying once a year or whenever I needed something, others are on daily medication, will everyone working pay?

Anyone working should pay for prescriptions, I don't see the issue here, why should you get it for free, standard fee across the board.

If you are unwell and need to see the doctor why wouldn't you go? So £50 would stop a working person from seeing the doctor? Knowing that the money will be used to improve the services they are getting then I can't see the problem.

I've not had a prescription in god know how long, I got tablets from the hospital one day I went when the gout kicked in

Do you think the NHS can continue to give out free prescriptions? How long will that last?

You wouldn't you would assume I am ok feck the rest as you have shown time and time again.

Bit early for the glue?

I wouldn't assume anything about you, you could be some vagrant for all I know, my point is that we should be paying for prescriptions if we are working, if you think we should have a better NHS then we either pay higher taxes/NI or we pay for the services I've mentioned..

Anyone that isn't working can avail of what we currently have. Now is there another way you'd like that put?

So everyone working - no cap on salary should pay to see a doctor because you think so and you are the authority of everything, apologies if I mistyped there is so much to answer no wonder I am at hero status.

Jesus!

Where did I say I'm the authority of everything? Amazing!  Mistyped ? I think miss read. This is an opinion.

I'll say it again just incase those drugs you got over the counter are not working...

Anyone that has a job,  (the key thing in my post is job) should be paying for their prescriptions and doctors appointments.. What that fee is I don't know, I mentioned £50 for doctors and whatever the prescription fee was before..

Or alternatively we pay more taxes/NI

If you would like this written in crayon let me know

Any job? So if you are in employment? Is this so you and yours can jump the queue of plebs?

Watch you don't put your back out with that reach,

[Seaney]

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding,

Unfortunately your ignorance is even more astounding than my patronising.

A humble patronising keyboard warrior - who would have thought.

I'll leave you to grab the last word as I'm sure in your head it'll somehow validate your "argument".



Anyway. In summary:
- vaccine is fundamentally safe unless you have an allergy to any of the carrier chemicals.
- vaccine is required to protect not only people from covid, but people from other ailments as they will get treated quicker, better and not have to run the gauntlet of getting covid in hospital with an already compromised immune system.
- vaccine is required to get the economy up and running, as a drastic spike in cases and sickness will only see further economic contractions and job losses.
- vaccine is required to protect people from the mental anguish of losing loved ones, especially those that are carers for others.

And Ill leave you to quote where I have voiced anti-vax sentiments as opposed to a cautious approach to an expediently developed vaccine, but don't let truth get in the way of your narrative.

Your chemical engineer friend who you like to quote doesn't let the truth or facts get in the way of his/her opinions either. Next time he/she tries to give you any information/stats for vaccines or covid issues have a word.

You are really hung up on someone you know nothing about, his advice is sound.

His stats aren't sound so I wouldn't believe anything he says. I have't seen any chemical engineers cited in any of the Pfizer documents for their work on the vaccine for example or on the news advising people on how to deal with Covid. Have you? It seems you like seeing and hearing what you like and ignore everything else.

You say his advice is sound but despite numerous requests from multiple posters you can't give us a reasonable reason or his his advice as why not to get vaccinated for Covid.

You also keep saying look back in the thread, but as pointed out by everyone else you've never answered it and it's been your standard go to excuse in the whole thread. It's a simple question, but you can't answer it for some unknown reason

You are obsessed with a man who has never read this board.

I see you replied to my 1st paragraph but in typical Seany/Angelo style you ignore and refuse to answer the simple question that followed. Why is that?  Please don't keep insisting you've answered already as we both know that's not true

Let's try again. Why are you so against the vaccine and do not want to take it? It's a simple, reasonable question yet you refuse to answer it

Ok you find me a quote where I said that, more lies as usual.

[Seaney]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

So are you like magic or mystic to determine someone in a doctors surgery doesn't need to see a doctor, or were they all tatty looking and you were raging such plebs got an appointment before the great and powerful Milhouse?

[Milltown Row2]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

So are you like magic or mystic to determine someone in a doctors surgery doesn't need to see a doctor, or were they all tatty looking and you were raging such plebs got an appointment before the great and powerful Milhouse?

No they were obviously in need of a doctor every week, they were there from 8am in the morning, outside, in all weathers waiting on their 15 minutes with the doctor. Where in my post did I say they didn't?

My point was, if you can read the post again, I've highlighted the bit I put in the post, just in case you've misread it, again

How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that?

[Seaney]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

So are you like magic or mystic to determine someone in a doctors surgery doesn't need to see a doctor, or were they all tatty looking and you were raging such plebs got an appointment before the great and powerful Milhouse?

No they were obviously in need of a doctor every week, they were there from 8am in the morning, outside, in all weathers waiting on their 15 minutes with the doctor. Where in my post did I say they didn't?

My point was, if you can read the post again, I've highlighted the bit I put in the post, just in case you've misread it, again

How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that?

There is 1.8 million of us and quick google, there are 336 GP Practices in Northern Ireland. A total 1722 GPs are registered on the performers list. Do you only want doctors to take appointments from you are yours - wind your f**king neck in, you continual make a tool of yourself with your sense of entitlement and to hell with the rest.

[JoG2]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

So are you like magic or mystic to determine someone in a doctors surgery doesn't need to see a doctor, or were they all tatty looking and you were raging such plebs got an appointment before the great and powerful Milhouse?

No they were obviously in need of a doctor every week, they were there from 8am in the morning, outside, in all weathers waiting on their 15 minutes with the doctor. Where in my post did I say they didn't?

My point was, if you can read the post again, I've highlighted the bit I put in the post, just in case you've misread it, again

How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that?

There is 1.8 million of us and quick google, there are 336 GP Practices in Northern Ireland. A total 1722 GPs are registered on the performers list. Do you only want doctors to take appointments from you are yours - wind your f**king neck in, you continual make a tool of yourself with your sense of entitlement and to hell with the rest.

321 GP practices. Seany, you said yesterday you got meds without any consultation. That's a: a serious allegation and b: was untrue. Your believability rating took another battering

[Milltown Row2]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

So are you like magic or mystic to determine someone in a doctors surgery doesn't need to see a doctor, or were they all tatty looking and you were raging such plebs got an appointment before the great and powerful Milhouse?

No they were obviously in need of a doctor every week, they were there from 8am in the morning, outside, in all weathers waiting on their 15 minutes with the doctor. Where in my post did I say they didn't?

My point was, if you can read the post again, I've highlighted the bit I put in the post, just in case you've misread it, again

How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that?

There is 1.8 million of us and quick google, there are 336 GP Practices in Northern Ireland. A total 1722 GPs are registered on the performers list. Do you only want doctors to take appointments from you are yours - wind your f**king neck in, you continual make a tool of yourself with your sense of entitlement and to hell with the rest.

What are you on? Are you addressing my post or still on the Meh?  What does this mean?

[Seaney]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

So are you like magic or mystic to determine someone in a doctors surgery doesn't need to see a doctor, or were they all tatty looking and you were raging such plebs got an appointment before the great and powerful Milhouse?

No they were obviously in need of a doctor every week, they were there from 8am in the morning, outside, in all weathers waiting on their 15 minutes with the doctor. Where in my post did I say they didn't?

My point was, if you can read the post again, I've highlighted the bit I put in the post, just in case you've misread it, again

How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that?

There is 1.8 million of us and quick google, there are 336 GP Practices in Northern Ireland. A total 1722 GPs are registered on the performers list. Do you only want doctors to take appointments from you are yours - wind your f**king neck in, you continual make a tool of yourself with your sense of entitlement and to hell with the rest.

What are you on? Are you addressing my post or still on the Meh?  What does this mean?

Do you only want doctors to take appointments from you and yours?  Sorry about predictive text - care to answer?

[Seaney]

The comedy continues

Oh dear but the answers dry up, are you a politician, obviously wannabe one, who the f**k would vote for you, maybe the gaaboard is your parliament.

The gift that keeps giving.

You've not answered a single question on any of your posts.

So let's play your WUM games

So are you like magic or mystic to determine someone in a doctors surgery doesn't need to see a doctor, or were they all tatty looking and you were raging such plebs got an appointment before the great and powerful Milhouse?

No they were obviously in need of a doctor every week, they were there from 8am in the morning, outside, in all weathers waiting on their 15 minutes with the doctor. Where in my post did I say they didn't?

My point was, if you can read the post again, I've highlighted the bit I put in the post, just in case you've misread it, again

How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that?

There is 1.8 million of us and quick google, there are 336 GP Practices in Northern Ireland. A total 1722 GPs are registered on the performers list. Do you only want doctors to take appointments from you are yours - wind your f**king neck in, you continual make a tool of yourself with your sense of entitlement and to hell with the rest.

321 GP practices. Seany, you said yesterday you got meds without any consultation. That's a: a serious allegation and b: was untrue. Your believability rating took another battering

I got an antibiotic without speaking to a doctor yes that is true, the said prescription was signed by the doctor I didn't speak to that is also true. You can post all your wee cartoons you want maybe thats all you understand - have you ask for more crayons this christmas.