Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

Started by Angelo, October 22, 2020, 10:36:07 AM

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Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

Yes
122 (71.8%)
No
48 (28.2%)

Total Members Voted: 170

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant


Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
missed medical appointments,

Appointments are being put off because the health service is creaking under covid pressure. Not because of lockdowns.

Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
missed cancer diagnosis,

Appointments are being put off because the health service is creaking under covid pressure. Not because of lockdowns.

Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
mental health issues,

Because not locking down and having people lose several members of their family within weeks of each other would not cause any mental trauma.


Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
abuse,

Point. Although the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.


Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
isolation,

Isolation is a regular occurrence for too many across society in normal times anyway. Not much is done about it then and folks like you certainly didn't crow about it before covid either.

Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PMunemployment etc.

Mass unemployment would have happened anyway.

What you fail to appreciate is that if no lockdowns had occurred, the mass deaths that would have resulted would have ended up in people holing up in their houses anyway and a general collapse in economic activity - this would have then seen mass unemployment.

So you'd have had the unemployment along with a horrendous death toll.

Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PMto save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

Covid is now rife across the normal wards of the hospitals. The internal procedures for ensuring isolation of areas have completely failed. The system is collapsing right now.

i usse an speelchekor

Taylor

Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
The Covid figure in UK is pie in the sky, is what I was alluding to.

Fine it's pie in the sky.

What would you do if you were in charge on dealing with Covid? You clearly don't believe in the vaccines, so please tell what other solutions are available to get the country/economy back to some sort of normality in 2021?

Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant missed medical appointments, missed cancer diagnosis, mental health issues, abuse, isolation, unemployment etc. to save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

Hence the hypothetical point - IF you were in charge.

You are able to criticise what has been done - what would you have done differently?

Still waiting on that evidence of care homes being collateral damage as well?

dublin7

Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
The Covid figure in UK is pie in the sky, is what I was alluding to.

Fine it's pie in the sky.

What would you do if you were in charge on dealing with Covid? You clearly don't believe in the vaccines, so please tell what other solutions are available to get the country/economy back to some sort of normality in 2021?

Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant missed medical appointments, missed cancer diagnosis, mental health issues, abuse, isolation, unemployment etc. to save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

More nonsense as usual. Did your chemical engineer friend tell you the hospitals are empty? That's the kind of ridiculous fake facts he and you seem to specialise in


There are patients being treated in the car park of Antrim hospital tonight because the hospital is full.

Your ignorance isn't funny, it's actually dangerous. People who are unsure about the vaccine hear the paranoia and nonsense from people like yourself in the media and they start to doubt themselves. Fighting the disinformation from the anti vaccine loons will be a major issue for all governments to deal with.

Apart from the speed the vaccine was developed, which the medical experts have answered you can't offer any reasonable explanation why not to take the vaccine. You also offer no alternative to not taking it so what exactly do you want to happen in 2021?

armaghniac

More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.

If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Tony Baloney

Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.
That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

Seaney

Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 16, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.
That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

Seaney

Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
The Covid figure in UK is pie in the sky, is what I was alluding to.

Fine it's pie in the sky.

What would you do if you were in charge on dealing with Covid? You clearly don't believe in the vaccines, so please tell what other solutions are available to get the country/economy back to some sort of normality in 2021?

Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant missed medical appointments, missed cancer diagnosis, mental health issues, abuse, isolation, unemployment etc. to save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

More nonsense as usual. Did your chemical engineer friend tell you the hospitals are empty? That's the kind of ridiculous fake facts he and you seem to specialise in


There are patients being treated in the car park of Antrim hospital tonight because the hospital is full.

Your ignorance isn't funny, it's actually dangerous. People who are unsure about the vaccine hear the paranoia and nonsense from people like yourself in the media and they start to doubt themselves. Fighting the disinformation from the anti vaccine loons will be a major issue for all governments to deal with.

Apart from the speed the vaccine was developed, which the medical experts have answered you can't offer any reasonable explanation why not to take the vaccine. You also offer no alternative to not taking it so what exactly do you want to happen in 2021?

No my doctor friend if you care to look back told me that at the start for the first months she went to an empty covid ward once a week and did nothing, so who covered her patients appointments then? I also said nightingale hospitals, but you make up your own lies.  So have we a situation now where covid patients irrespective of what their condition is take full precedence over every other medical condition - maybe if they triaged them a bit better, there were less than 10 in ICU so if you have a cough do you get a bed ahead of everyone else?

I don't see the 10pm news every evening telling how many daily deaths there were due to cancer, or how many new diagnosis of cancer or other illnesses, it's a covid state.  I also don't see any news outlet mention that the hospitals were a shambles before covid due to no executive for 3 years and no investment.

Taylor

Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 08:17:41 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
The Covid figure in UK is pie in the sky, is what I was alluding to.

Fine it's pie in the sky.

What would you do if you were in charge on dealing with Covid? You clearly don't believe in the vaccines, so please tell what other solutions are available to get the country/economy back to some sort of normality in 2021?

Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant missed medical appointments, missed cancer diagnosis, mental health issues, abuse, isolation, unemployment etc. to save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

More nonsense as usual. Did your chemical engineer friend tell you the hospitals are empty? That's the kind of ridiculous fake facts he and you seem to specialise in


There are patients being treated in the car park of Antrim hospital tonight because the hospital is full.

Your ignorance isn't funny, it's actually dangerous. People who are unsure about the vaccine hear the paranoia and nonsense from people like yourself in the media and they start to doubt themselves. Fighting the disinformation from the anti vaccine loons will be a major issue for all governments to deal with.

Apart from the speed the vaccine was developed, which the medical experts have answered you can't offer any reasonable explanation why not to take the vaccine. You also offer no alternative to not taking it so what exactly do you want to happen in 2021?

No my doctor friend if you care to look back told me that at the start for the first months she went to an empty covid ward once a week and did nothing, so who covered her patients appointments then? I also said nightingale hospitals, but you make up your own lies.  So have we a situation now where covid patients irrespective of what their condition is take full precedence over every other medical condition - maybe if they triaged them a bit better, there were less than 10 in ICU so if you have a cough do you get a bed ahead of everyone else?

I don't see the 10pm news every evening telling how many daily deaths there were due to cancer, or how many new diagnosis of cancer or other illnesses, it's a covid state.  I also don't see any news outlet mention that the hospitals were a shambles before covid due to no executive for 3 years and no investment.

Again - what do you suggest is done Seany

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 16, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.
That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

I've no problem with that..
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Seaney

Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 16, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.
That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

Treatment being in 99% of cases take it easy for a few weeks at home.

Seaney

Quote from: Taylor on December 16, 2020, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 08:17:41 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 15, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 15, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
The Covid figure in UK is pie in the sky, is what I was alluding to.

Fine it's pie in the sky.

What would you do if you were in charge on dealing with Covid? You clearly don't believe in the vaccines, so please tell what other solutions are available to get the country/economy back to some sort of normality in 2021?

Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant missed medical appointments, missed cancer diagnosis, mental health issues, abuse, isolation, unemployment etc. to save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

More nonsense as usual. Did your chemical engineer friend tell you the hospitals are empty? That's the kind of ridiculous fake facts he and you seem to specialise in


There are patients being treated in the car park of Antrim hospital tonight because the hospital is full.

Your ignorance isn't funny, it's actually dangerous. People who are unsure about the vaccine hear the paranoia and nonsense from people like yourself in the media and they start to doubt themselves. Fighting the disinformation from the anti vaccine loons will be a major issue for all governments to deal with.

Apart from the speed the vaccine was developed, which the medical experts have answered you can't offer any reasonable explanation why not to take the vaccine. You also offer no alternative to not taking it so what exactly do you want to happen in 2021?

No my doctor friend if you care to look back told me that at the start for the first months she went to an empty covid ward once a week and did nothing, so who covered her patients appointments then? I also said nightingale hospitals, but you make up your own lies.  So have we a situation now where covid patients irrespective of what their condition is take full precedence over every other medical condition - maybe if they triaged them a bit better, there were less than 10 in ICU so if you have a cough do you get a bed ahead of everyone else?

I don't see the 10pm news every evening telling how many daily deaths there were due to cancer, or how many new diagnosis of cancer or other illnesses, it's a covid state.  I also don't see any news outlet mention that the hospitals were a shambles before covid due to no executive for 3 years and no investment.

Again - what do you suggest is done Seany

I mentioned previously I am not in charge, I have not sought to be in charge, I do not get paid ridiculous money to be in charge,  so the point is mute.

Seaney

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 16, 2020, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 16, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.
That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

I've no problem with that..

Sure you don't - but you look like the moral guardian again in your wee domain!  So what treatment do you think should be "free at point of entry" even know we all pay our national insurance, on the NHS - can you give a list?

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 16, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.
That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.
I wouldn't like to see the privatisation of the NHS but it is model that is unsustainable when the general public expect to live how the see fit and then expect to be at the front of the queue for expensive treatment. Billions are spent every year due to "lifestyle" choices.

Again you have missed the point re. the vaccine. Loads of people will he unaffected but the NHS can't cope with the number of people who are affected and as you have mentioned many times this will impact on people with cancer and other serious illnesses. So for you and others who are slow of thinking, yes Covid may not impact you directly, but it could easily affect you indirectly. So in the meantime wear a f**king mask and get the vaccine when available so we can ALL get back to normal operation.

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 08:17:41 AMSo have we a situation now where covid patients irrespective of what their condition is take full precedence over every other medical condition - maybe if they triaged them a bit better, there were less than 10 in ICU so if you have a cough do you get a bed ahead of everyone else?

We have a situation now where patients with every other medical condition are being infected with COVID on the wards because the system has collapsed under pressure.

Pressure which has come about because the government was far too reticent in implementing and enforcing clear lockdowns.
i usse an speelchekor

Seaney

Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 16, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 16, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.
That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.
I wouldn't like to see the privatisation of the NHS but it is model that is unsustainable when the general public expect to live how the see fit and then expect to be at the front of the queue for expensive treatment. Billions are spent every year due to "lifestyle" choices.

Again you have missed the point re. the vaccine. Loads of people will he unaffected but the NHS can't cope with the number of people who are affected and as you have mentioned many times this will impact on people with cancer and other serious illnesses. So for you and others who are slow of thinking, yes Covid may not impact you directly, but it could easily affect you indirectly. So in the meantime wear a f**king mask and get the vaccine when available so we can ALL get back to normal operation.

I do wear a mask and I would say based on the list of those getting a vaccine I will not be eligible until maybe next summer or autumn at the very least, at least by then with the live clinical trial going on in the UK I will have better stats for the vaccine, so dry your f**king eyes kid.  The NHS or the government has chosen to put covid front and centre everyone else is being failed.