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« Reply #48435 on: Today at 11:55:31 AM »
There's things like games played etc that lead to that last night but it has highlighted Utds problems all year.

Fred is nowhere near good enough, I've made this point many times. He gives the ball away in places that give away goals so many times. Roma, Villa and last night all goals came from him giving the ball in front of the goals and putting someone else under pressure. That's 3 in a week. Leicester in the cup too.
Add Bailey, Lindeloff, Matic, McTominay & Mata to that and there's huge issues at CB and CM. Is DVB going to improve? The back up full backs aren't near the standard either.

We haven't bought a right winger since Tony Valencia and he retired this week.

Unless the club spend money well this year Utd could struggle for the top 4 next year.

Add Jones to that list too.  United haven't had a top DM since 2008 and still lack a real dominant midfielder who can grab the ball and drive the team forward.  Badly need to buy a top striker too.  I would be after a CB, DM and CF.

I hadn't counted him because I've as much chance of playing at the minute but yes 100%. I'd agree with that. Can't see them buying a striker this year to be honest. I think the Sancho deal might get done but I'm not confident in any decent business being done. If that's the case Ole won't see the next season out and we'll back to a new manager and starting all over again. Maybe some will say that's for the best, I'm not so sure. I'd like to see Ole be successful but without proper investment he hasn't a hope long term. Will be delighted to see him win the EL if it happens.

There's big questions over the goalkeeper position too. Neither look the real deal, Henderson is pushing but he's maybe a bit off the required level yet. DDG isn't the keeper he was.

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« Reply #48436 on: Today at 12:33:37 PM »
How far should Matic be shot out of a cannon? 1000 miles? 2000 miles?

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« Reply #48437 on: Today at 12:51:16 PM »
Have literally never seen Liverpool fans so peaked, I didnt realise it was the league title on the line last night.

Someone better let Pep know they have to run down with the trophy to Anfield, unreal.

No one wants to the lose the game, but you have one team with something to play for and one team with literally nothing.

On the performance, United no where near the level required for a number of reasons. I will take this result all day long if it shows to Ole and the Club how short we really are in terms of overall quality within the squad and they react over the summer.

Seriously?

You can't comprehend why Liverpool fans would be delighted with that win in the circumstances the team is in?


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« Reply #48438 on: Today at 01:16:14 PM »
Have literally never seen Liverpool fans so peaked, I didnt realise it was the league title on the line last night.

Someone better let Pep know they have to run down with the trophy to Anfield, unreal.

No one wants to the lose the game, but you have one team with something to play for and one team with literally nothing.

On the performance, United no where near the level required for a number of reasons. I will take this result all day long if it shows to Ole and the Club how short we really are in terms of overall quality within the squad and they react over the summer.

Seriously?

You can't comprehend why Liverpool fans would be delighted with that win in the circumstances the team is in?

I can totally understand why they would be delighted but they have failed to see that it was a big game for them and not for United. The reaction was something akin to winning a league not getting a chance to qualify for top 4.

Yes it is a derby but a meaningless one for one side of it.

United fans more concerned with the frailties exposed in the squad, most of which have been acknowledged but were laid bare last night. So focus for fans is on the summer now and the recruitment.




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« Reply #48439 on: Today at 01:59:17 PM »
Have literally never seen Liverpool fans so peaked, I didnt realise it was the league title on the line last night.

Someone better let Pep know they have to run down with the trophy to Anfield, unreal.

No one wants to the lose the game, but you have one team with something to play for and one team with literally nothing.

On the performance, United no where near the level required for a number of reasons. I will take this result all day long if it shows to Ole and the Club how short we really are in terms of overall quality within the squad and they react over the summer.

Seriously?

You can't comprehend why Liverpool fans would be delighted with that win in the circumstances the team is in?

I can totally understand why they would be delighted but they have failed to see that it was a big game for them and not for United. The reaction was something akin to winning a league not getting a chance to qualify for top 4.

Yes it is a derby but a meaningless one for one side of it.

United fans more concerned with the frailties exposed in the squad, most of which have been acknowledged but were laid bare last night. So focus for fans is on the summer now and the recruitment.

1. Getting top 4 and all that flows on from, after the season Liverpool have had, WOULD be akin to winning a major prize, at least in the short term. Only a couple of days ago they were completely out of it, again, when Chelsea unexpectedly beat City away and United basically threw the game to Leicester. We've been hearing for months about how NOT making the CL would/will impact Liverpool FC's plans for the coming seasons. John Henry wasn't conspiring with Joel Glazer out of a simple love for European nights.

2. Given Liverpool's lack of fluency, toothlessness up front, problems at the back, and overall nervous, tentative displays coming into this, many people, including in the media and among United's (and I would say Liverpool's) support, thought that United's first choice (and rested) team would be well capable to finishing off Liverpool's top 4 hopes. No one predicted beforehand that Liverpool would rediscover the high intensity pressing, movement and sharpness that ended up causing United to look like they were at thrown together pub team for large stretches before and after half time. That doesn't mean that the coming three games against park-the-bus teams will go the same way, but at least the team has found that they still have it in them to impose themselves and there is reason to be hopeful that they can go and win these three games.

3. Liverpool had won once at OT in the last ten years, and not at all in seven. Its their biggest rival, the whole season was riding on the game (it was basically a cup tie for them), and, again, there was plenty of talk beforehand about United sabotaging Liverpool's CL hopes. And sorry, but I don't believe for one second that United fans, coming into it and on the night, weren't first and foremost, more concerned about being the ones to end Liverpool's season. Just like I am pretty sure that if the Liverpool game had been on Tuesday night, you would have seen a much different approach to the three games from Solksjaer, as I seriously doubt he would have put the Leicester line-up out to play Liverpool (just like Klopp went against form and put out a strong team for the cup game earlier in the season, unlike previous ties against the likes of Everton and Chelsea). That the game exposed the frailties in the squad is an undoubted outcome of the game, but there wasn't much word about that in the lead up to the game.

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« Reply #48440 on: Today at 02:06:59 PM »
Man U fans got a glimpse last night what it's like to lose a regular cb.

Seen this type of comment posted alot online.

Last Thursday with Maguire playing United only for DeGea would have conceded at least 6 goals against Roma and a simliar carefree attitude was delivered in that performance by Uniteds players as last night.

Liverpool have the likes of Thiago, Fabinho,Wijnaldum protecting the defence a world of difference compared to Fred and McTominay.

Can anyone make sense of that final sub? Bailly taken off as expected as he had played a full 90 minutes on Tuesday and replaced by Matic with McTominay moved to centre back while a centre back Tuanzebe wasn't brought on? To make matters worse it was Matic that lost the ball and McTominay caught up the field and was like a snail chasing back for that 4th goal.

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« Reply #48441 on: Today at 02:11:21 PM »
Think it was a brilliant win for Liverpool and Utd fans can spin this anyway they want, I don't know any Utd fan that is feeling happy about that loss, while its not relevant for Utd's season it would have been nice to see Utd finish the league with a decent run...

As for the rivalry, it'll continue to be the biggest game in the league every year, Utd have in the past 30 years have managed to finish ahead of Liverpool in the league but the truth is both these seasons Utd have fallen way below on points to champions and that would not be good enough for a club like Utd.

Will City run away with the league next year or will Liverpool mount another challenge when all their players are fit. Utd on the other hand are about 3 players short and 2/3 years short of experience for the younger lads.

Potentially there is a championship winning team there but whether Ole is at the wheel or not will depend on the EL final and the start of the league next season
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« Reply #48442 on: Today at 02:26:51 PM »
Well put,  both J70 and MR2

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« Reply #48443 on: Today at 02:57:54 PM »
Have literally never seen Liverpool fans so peaked, I didnt realise it was the league title on the line last night.

Someone better let Pep know they have to run down with the trophy to Anfield, unreal.

No one wants to the lose the game, but you have one team with something to play for and one team with literally nothing.

On the performance, United no where near the level required for a number of reasons. I will take this result all day long if it shows to Ole and the Club how short we really are in terms of overall quality within the squad and they react over the summer.

Seriously?

You can't comprehend why Liverpool fans would be delighted with that win in the circumstances the team is in?

I can totally understand why they would be delighted but they have failed to see that it was a big game for them and not for United. The reaction was something akin to winning a league not getting a chance to qualify for top 4.

Yes it is a derby but a meaningless one for one side of it.

United fans more concerned with the frailties exposed in the squad, most of which have been acknowledged but were laid bare last night. So focus for fans is on the summer now and the recruitment.

1. Getting top 4 and all that flows on from, after the season Liverpool have had, WOULD be akin to winning a major prize, at least in the short term. Only a couple of days ago they were completely out of it, again, when Chelsea unexpectedly beat City away and United basically threw the game to Leicester. We've been hearing for months about how NOT making the CL would/will impact Liverpool FC's plans for the coming seasons. John Henry wasn't conspiring with Joel Glazer out of a simple love for European nights.

2. Given Liverpool's lack of fluency, toothlessness up front, problems at the back, and overall nervous, tentative displays coming into this, many people, including in the media and among United's (and I would say Liverpool's) support, thought that United's first choice (and rested) team would be well capable to finishing off Liverpool's top 4 hopes. No one predicted beforehand that Liverpool would rediscover the high intensity pressing, movement and sharpness that ended up causing United to look like they were at thrown together pub team for large stretches before and after half time. That doesn't mean that the coming three games against park-the-bus teams will go the same way, but at least the team has found that they still have it in them to impose themselves and there is reason to be hopeful that they can go and win these three games.

3. Liverpool had won once at OT in the last ten years, and not at all in seven. Its their biggest rival, the whole season was riding on the game (it was basically a cup tie for them), and, again, there was plenty of talk beforehand about United sabotaging Liverpool's CL hopes. And sorry, but I don't believe for one second that United fans, coming into it and on the night, weren't first and foremost, more concerned about being the ones to end Liverpool's season. Just like I am pretty sure that if the Liverpool game had been on Tuesday night, you would have seen a much different approach to the three games from Solksjaer, as I seriously doubt he would have put the Leicester line-up out to play Liverpool (just like Klopp went against form and put out a strong team for the cup game earlier in the season, unlike previous ties against the likes of Everton and Chelsea). That the game exposed the frailties in the squad is an undoubted outcome of the game, but there wasn't much word about that in the lead up to the game.

Some fair points J70

My main issue was how LFC fan got so triggered by this game (mostly on social media), the recent success and that has led them into this self righteous attitude. No arguments that United fans and players would have enjoyed consigning them to the Europa, but as last nights game proved, when it comes to it this is not the same motivation as Liverpool had which was plain to see.

If you read back through the thread, you will find the more level headed united fans on here have identified the weaknesses in the squad which were exposed last night, for most of the season.

The thing is both squads will need improving if either are to mount a challenge to City next season regardless.


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« Reply #48444 on: Today at 03:08:27 PM »
Have literally never seen Liverpool fans so peaked, I didnt realise it was the league title on the line last night.

Someone better let Pep know they have to run down with the trophy to Anfield, unreal.

No one wants to the lose the game, but you have one team with something to play for and one team with literally nothing.

On the performance, United no where near the level required for a number of reasons. I will take this result all day long if it shows to Ole and the Club how short we really are in terms of overall quality within the squad and they react over the summer.

Seriously?

You can't comprehend why Liverpool fans would be delighted with that win in the circumstances the team is in?

I can totally understand why they would be delighted but they have failed to see that it was a big game for them and not for United. The reaction was something akin to winning a league not getting a chance to qualify for top 4.

Yes it is a derby but a meaningless one for one side of it.

United fans more concerned with the frailties exposed in the squad, most of which have been acknowledged but were laid bare last night. So focus for fans is on the summer now and the recruitment.

1. Getting top 4 and all that flows on from, after the season Liverpool have had, WOULD be akin to winning a major prize, at least in the short term. Only a couple of days ago they were completely out of it, again, when Chelsea unexpectedly beat City away and United basically threw the game to Leicester. We've been hearing for months about how NOT making the CL would/will impact Liverpool FC's plans for the coming seasons. John Henry wasn't conspiring with Joel Glazer out of a simple love for European nights.

2. Given Liverpool's lack of fluency, toothlessness up front, problems at the back, and overall nervous, tentative displays coming into this, many people, including in the media and among United's (and I would say Liverpool's) support, thought that United's first choice (and rested) team would be well capable to finishing off Liverpool's top 4 hopes. No one predicted beforehand that Liverpool would rediscover the high intensity pressing, movement and sharpness that ended up causing United to look like they were at thrown together pub team for large stretches before and after half time. That doesn't mean that the coming three games against park-the-bus teams will go the same way, but at least the team has found that they still have it in them to impose themselves and there is reason to be hopeful that they can go and win these three games.

3. Liverpool had won once at OT in the last ten years, and not at all in seven. Its their biggest rival, the whole season was riding on the game (it was basically a cup tie for them), and, again, there was plenty of talk beforehand about United sabotaging Liverpool's CL hopes. And sorry, but I don't believe for one second that United fans, coming into it and on the night, weren't first and foremost, more concerned about being the ones to end Liverpool's season. Just like I am pretty sure that if the Liverpool game had been on Tuesday night, you would have seen a much different approach to the three games from Solksjaer, as I seriously doubt he would have put the Leicester line-up out to play Liverpool (just like Klopp went against form and put out a strong team for the cup game earlier in the season, unlike previous ties against the likes of Everton and Chelsea). That the game exposed the frailties in the squad is an undoubted outcome of the game, but there wasn't much word about that in the lead up to the game.

Some fair points J70

My main issue was how LFC fan got so triggered by this game (mostly on social media), the recent success and that has led them into this self righteous attitude. No arguments that United fans and players would have enjoyed consigning them to the Europa, but as last nights game proved, when it comes to it this is not the same motivation as Liverpool had which was plain to see.

If you read back through the thread, you will find the more level headed united fans on here have identified the weaknesses in the squad which were exposed last night, for most of the season.

The thing is both squads will need improving if either are to mount a challenge to City next season regardless.

 I hope that fan who got carried away will have calmed him or herself down by now... Nothing to see here.  ;D

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« Reply #48445 on: Today at 03:33:17 PM »
Have literally never seen Liverpool fans so peaked, I didnt realise it was the league title on the line last night.

Someone better let Pep know they have to run down with the trophy to Anfield, unreal.

No one wants to the lose the game, but you have one team with something to play for and one team with literally nothing.

On the performance, United no where near the level required for a number of reasons. I will take this result all day long if it shows to Ole and the Club how short we really are in terms of overall quality within the squad and they react over the summer.

Seriously?

You can't comprehend why Liverpool fans would be delighted with that win in the circumstances the team is in?

I can totally understand why they would be delighted but they have failed to see that it was a big game for them and not for United. The reaction was something akin to winning a league not getting a chance to qualify for top 4.

Yes it is a derby but a meaningless one for one side of it.

United fans more concerned with the frailties exposed in the squad, most of which have been acknowledged but were laid bare last night. So focus for fans is on the summer now and the recruitment.

1. Getting top 4 and all that flows on from, after the season Liverpool have had, WOULD be akin to winning a major prize, at least in the short term. Only a couple of days ago they were completely out of it, again, when Chelsea unexpectedly beat City away and United basically threw the game to Leicester. We've been hearing for months about how NOT making the CL would/will impact Liverpool FC's plans for the coming seasons. John Henry wasn't conspiring with Joel Glazer out of a simple love for European nights.

2. Given Liverpool's lack of fluency, toothlessness up front, problems at the back, and overall nervous, tentative displays coming into this, many people, including in the media and among United's (and I would say Liverpool's) support, thought that United's first choice (and rested) team would be well capable to finishing off Liverpool's top 4 hopes. No one predicted beforehand that Liverpool would rediscover the high intensity pressing, movement and sharpness that ended up causing United to look like they were at thrown together pub team for large stretches before and after half time. That doesn't mean that the coming three games against park-the-bus teams will go the same way, but at least the team has found that they still have it in them to impose themselves and there is reason to be hopeful that they can go and win these three games.

3. Liverpool had won once at OT in the last ten years, and not at all in seven. Its their biggest rival, the whole season was riding on the game (it was basically a cup tie for them), and, again, there was plenty of talk beforehand about United sabotaging Liverpool's CL hopes. And sorry, but I don't believe for one second that United fans, coming into it and on the night, weren't first and foremost, more concerned about being the ones to end Liverpool's season. Just like I am pretty sure that if the Liverpool game had been on Tuesday night, you would have seen a much different approach to the three games from Solksjaer, as I seriously doubt he would have put the Leicester line-up out to play Liverpool (just like Klopp went against form and put out a strong team for the cup game earlier in the season, unlike previous ties against the likes of Everton and Chelsea). That the game exposed the frailties in the squad is an undoubted outcome of the game, but there wasn't much word about that in the lead up to the game.

Some fair points J70

My main issue was how LFC fan got so triggered by this game (mostly on social media), the recent success and that has led them into this self righteous attitude. No arguments that United fans and players would have enjoyed consigning them to the Europa, but as last nights game proved, when it comes to it this is not the same motivation as Liverpool had which was plain to see.

If you read back through the thread, you will find the more level headed united fans on here have identified the weaknesses in the squad which were exposed last night, for most of the season.

The thing is both squads will need improving if either are to mount a challenge to City next season regardless.

Looking at the 22 plus subs that played last night the pick of both teams wouldnt beat City to the PL next season.

That is the size of the challenge facing both of them