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Title: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Under New Management
Post by: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 05:23:35 PM
While their public behaviour is pretty well known in these parts, I think it's only fair that if a dedicated thread is there for Sinn Fein, the SDLP & Fine Gael, then it's only fair that the DUP should have one for themselves too to keep all notes of their (mostly c*ntish) deeds in one place.

Anyhoo, Nelson McCausland has risen from the bottom of the septic tank to remind people again of how big of a **** he is.

Nelson McCausland: Northern Ireland will prosper once it’s rid of the EU... not by being tied to ‘economics of the leprechaun’
Talk of an ‘all-Ireland economy’ is just a Trojan horse for republicans’ goal of Irish unity, writes Nelson McCausland


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/nelson-mccausland/nelson-mccausland-northern-ireland-will-prosper-once-its-rid-of-the-eu-not-by-being-tied-to-economics-of-the-leprechaun-38490365.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/nelson-mccausland/nelson-mccausland-northern-ireland-will-prosper-once-its-rid-of-the-eu-not-by-being-tied-to-economics-of-the-leprechaun-38490365.html)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: illdecide on September 12, 2019, 06:03:42 PM
This could hit record page numbers
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: RedHand88 on September 12, 2019, 06:08:32 PM
100 page thread by Christmas.

What does the Belfast bellylaugh hope to gain by publishing that?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: red hander on September 12, 2019, 06:57:17 PM
Nelson 'Red Sky' McCausland, failed politician and kilt-wearing all-round bigot. Tele is just a DUP propaganda sheet, but as no one buys the rag anymore (its circulation has plummeted), I wouldn't get too annoyed, it's in its death throes...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: armaghniac on September 12, 2019, 07:05:56 PM
Won't this be a bit like the football All Ireland, McCausland will win every round?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 12, 2019, 07:25:24 PM
When he was sports minister he never let anyone use the titles Gaelic, Rugby and Soccer it was always Football, Rugby and Gaelic Sports
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 12, 2019, 09:35:35 PM
He's Jamie Bryson with A-levels.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: armaghniac on September 12, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
He's Jamie Bryson with A-levels.

The blx went to Oxford, the top university in the world!!
This shows the old adage about the man and the bog.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: trileacman on September 12, 2019, 11:08:00 PM
He's Jamie Bryson with A-levels.

The blx went to Oxford, the top university in the world!!
This shows the old adage about the man and the bog.

Remind me.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2019, 11:56:58 PM
You can take the bigot out of the bigotry but you cant take the bigotry out of the bigot.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: trileacman on September 12, 2019, 11:58:47 PM
Ah.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rossfan on September 13, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
A DUPUDA MLA called Clarke seems to be a right sleazeball and deserving of mention in this thread.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on September 13, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
Pengelly too. Horrendous individual.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: johnnycool on September 13, 2019, 12:12:53 PM
Don't forget farmer Jim's snout is well in the trough;

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mp-shannon-to-be-investigated-again-over-parliamentary-expenses-38249974.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mp-shannon-to-be-investigated-again-over-parliamentary-expenses-38249974.html)

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Orior on September 13, 2019, 12:33:06 PM
Pengelly too. Horrendous individual.

But pleasant on the eye
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: weareros on September 13, 2019, 02:23:39 PM
Don't forget renowned world travel expert Ian óg Paisley labelling the cutting of Aer Lingus and Ryanair routes in Belfast as "Dublin dirty tricks".
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/blow-for-belfast-as-ryanair-and-aer-lingus-cut-routes-38490545.html
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on September 13, 2019, 02:36:21 PM
Pengelly too. Horrendous individual.

But pleasant on the eye

 ???

Yes Ian Og no doubt deserves a mention.

Foster, McCausland,Wells, Poots,Paisley in that order.

Campbell deserves a mention too.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on September 13, 2019, 02:43:37 PM
Don't forget renowned world travel expert Ian óg Paisley labelling the cutting of Aer Lingus and Ryanair routes in Belfast as "Dublin dirty tricks".
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/blow-for-belfast-as-ryanair-and-aer-lingus-cut-routes-38490545.html

I've love to know what they expect, Dublin airport to roll over and not move forward. These f**kers think that everything is a god given right to them. What about the airports in the north actually standing up and being accountable for how sh1t they are and then doing something about it to compete. Utter laziness and incompetence - the airports as well :P

Not much word about Belfast International being voted the worst airport in the UK. They expect people here to put up with that sh1te. I'd rather travel a couple of hours down the road to what is a decent airport than go though the International esp if I am travelling with family.



Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 13, 2019, 02:57:30 PM
I actually thought this was the quote from Ian Og’s parody account that the Irish News quoted yesterday, can’t believe it’s the real deal...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Seany on September 13, 2019, 03:54:05 PM
They are so bigoted.  So backward.

Believe the earth is 5000 years old (Mervyn Storey) 
Hate gay people (all of them, even the gay councillor herself)
Deny climate change (Sammy Wilson)
Mock the Irish language (Gregory Campbell)
Are openly racist (Get the ethnics out (Sammy Wilson)
Sex scandals (Iris, Other unnamed representatives)
Are prepared to bankrupt the north so they can get a slightly harder border (Dodds)
Are embroiled in some of the worst financial scandals and corruption  ever in the history of All Ireland , even the south (holidays, RHI, Planning, Red Sky, etc etc etc)  There are many many more

Sinn Fein are a typical, left leaning, liberal party.  And have managed to share government with these people for about fifteen years.  They could take no more.  It really grinds my gears when I hear people say 'The politicians should get back to work'.  How could you work with such backward, bigoted, hate filled, bitter, twisted people.

Religion and hate are a potent mix.  Al Kaida, ISIS, those headcases in the middle east.  And boy the DUP have it in spades.   
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: balladmaker on September 13, 2019, 03:55:56 PM
They are so bigoted.  So backward.

Believe the earth is 5000 years old (Mervyn Storey) 
Hate gay people (all of them, even the gay councillor herself)
Deny climate change (Sammy Wilson)
Mock the Irish language (Gregory Campbell)
Are openly racist (Get the ethnics out (Sammy Wilson)
Sex scandals (Iris, Other unnamed representatives)
Are prepared to bankrupt the north so they can get a slightly harder border (Dodds)
Are embroiled in some of the worst financial scandals and corruption  ever in the history of All Ireland , even the south (holidays, RHI, Planning, Red Sky, etc etc etc)  There are many many more

Sinn Fein are a typical, left leaning, liberal party.  And have managed to share government with these people for about fifteen years.  They could take no more.  It really grinds my gears when I hear people say 'The politicians should get back to work'.  How could you work with such backward, bigoted, hate filled, bitter, twisted people.

Religion and hate are a potent mix.  Al Kaida, ISIS, those headcases in the middle east.  And boy the DUP have it in spades.

+1 can't disagree with any of that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: armaghniac on September 13, 2019, 05:53:36 PM
Believe the earth is 5000 years old (Mervyn Storey) 

I think you'll find they think the earth is 6023 years old, which is quite a bit more.

Quote
Hate gay people (all of them, even the gay councillor herself)

Not so. King Billy is very popular.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Orior on September 14, 2019, 05:16:48 AM
Fun fact: Rev Ian Paisley died 5 years ago.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Denn Forever on September 14, 2019, 10:43:33 AM
Beware.  For those who didn't experience Northern Ireland in the dangerous times, the DUP are sounding reasonable. Beware.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Walt Jabsco on September 14, 2019, 10:55:24 AM
Have they negotiated a new Boris Bonus? How much this time?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on September 14, 2019, 11:01:38 AM
Enough to pay Stitt & Bryson etc their inflated 'community worker' salaries?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Seany on September 14, 2019, 11:56:13 AM
Their legacy for this period of history will be to split Britain in two and unite Ireland as one
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: armaghniac on September 14, 2019, 12:26:29 PM
Their legacy for this period of history will be to split Britain in two and unite Ireland as one

Have you no hope for the Welsh?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 14, 2019, 01:19:27 PM
Poots is a particularly obnoxious cnut. Storey not the worst of them in fairness. Givan is another nasty piece of work.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: trailer on September 14, 2019, 04:46:58 PM
Pengelly too. Horrendous individual.

But pleasant on the eye

Really. I think she's a complete stoat.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 14, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
I have to agree with you
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: trileacman on September 14, 2019, 05:52:25 PM
Their legacy for this period of history will be to split Britain in two and unite Ireland as one

Have you no hope for the Welsh?

None. Lickspittle pricks.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Fionntamhnach on September 17, 2019, 04:17:52 PM
NUJ criticises DUP's Ian Paisley for Sam McBride post

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The National Union of Journalists (NUJ) has criticised Ian Paisley after an online post about reporter Sam McBride.

The NUJ described it as an "unwarranted and unworthy" personal attack on a prominent political journalist.

The DUP MP for North Antrim wrote the Facebook post in response to an article by Mr McBride in the News Letter.

The article suggested the DUP had prioritised opposition to an Irish Language Act over resisting change to Northern Ireland's abortion law.

Mr Paisley said the "Christian ethos of the DUP is under attack from the press" and referred to what he described as Mr McBride's own Christian background and education.

The North Antrim MP argued that his party had "not been found wanting on the campaign to prevent the implementation of the most draconian abortion laws" .

It was typical of the press to "blame unionists for a decision that was not theirs", he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49729465
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2019, 04:38:50 PM
He just does and says what he wants and never is held accountable by anyone.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on September 17, 2019, 05:14:29 PM
He does give you a good laugh though, with all this "Christian ethos" crap that he spouts.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2019, 05:34:15 PM
Wright bus looks like it's going under which would be a blow to them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Orior on September 17, 2019, 05:35:03 PM
Plus, Ian Og is always looking at an insect on the end of his nose which has just flown away.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on September 17, 2019, 05:52:48 PM
Wright bus looks like it's going under which would be a blow to them.

Everything in Ballymena eventually goes belly up. Wonderful MP & even better Council Chief Executive - a lethal combination, the pair of them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Jim Bob on September 17, 2019, 06:56:38 PM
Pengelly too. Horrendous individual.

But pleasant on the eye

Really. I think she's a complete stoat.

 Has big sticky out ears
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on September 17, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
And good Loyalist pedigree / upbringing.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: bogball88 on October 02, 2019, 10:40:40 AM
A DUP councillor and former mayor has been charged with sexual offences involving a child.

Thomas Hogg, 31, was arrested after a dance music festival in the grounds of the V36 park last Saturday.

It is owned by Antrim and Newtownabbey Borough Council.

He has been charged with sexual communication with a child and attempting to cause or incite a child between 13 and 16 years to engage in sexual activity.

Councillor Hogg, who is a former Mayor of Antrim and Newtownabbey Borough Council, is due to appear at Belfast Magistrates Court later this month.

A PSNI spokesperson said that the charges would be reviewed by the Public Prosecution Service.

A DUP spokesman said on Wednesday that the party had suspended the membership of Mr Hogg pending the outcome of a court case.

The spokesman added that the DUP had since received Mr Hogg's resignation from the party with immediate effect.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on October 15, 2019, 06:47:51 PM
Think the RHI sign has been dusted down from the enquiry. Wondering if the report is going to be unveiled sometime soon?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 19, 2019, 01:05:29 PM
It's supposedly "Super Saturday" at Westminster, and Jim Shannon has come out with this in the Commons...

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"Can the minister tell me how the Unionist people of NI, my children and grandchildren, will be secondary to a Unionist anywhere else across the UK...

...we have been treated as second class citizens and our opinion means nothing."


 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on October 19, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
That must mean that us taigs are now demoted to third class citizens status.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: grounded on October 19, 2019, 02:23:28 PM
It's supposedly "Super Saturday" at Westminster, and Jim Shannon has come out with this in the Commons...

Quote
"Can the minister tell me how the Unionist people of NI, my children and grandchildren, will be secondary to a Unionist anywhere else across the UK...

...we have been treated as second class citizens and our opinion means nothing."




What an absolute tool he is.
          Ian Og had a clinker earlier as well when he quoted Carson "I was to be a puppet used in a game". Not realising that the unionist people have been played like puppets since the state was established.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: screenexile on October 21, 2019, 02:22:32 PM
So Stormont went well today then!!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rossfan on October 21, 2019, 02:50:33 PM
 ;D :D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: square_ball on October 21, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
I’d say Robin Newton may find himself on the scrap heap alongside Jonathan Bell. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on October 21, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
He is already on the scrapheap & has been, for some time. He promised to go, after the Dee Stitt affair & today would have been the first chance for him to formally stand down. He will have to hang on , therefore, until they get a new Speaker in place (with cross community support, of course).
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: square_ball on October 21, 2019, 03:47:02 PM
I wasn’t aware of that. He was standing firm today from his mates in the DUP anyway.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on October 21, 2019, 03:56:29 PM
The Speaker is supposed to be completely impartial. He takes his cue from the officers of the Assembly, who were sitting on both sides of him, to keep him straight.  He wasn't even allowed to sign the motion to recall the Assembly.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 07, 2019, 08:17:48 PM
Taken from this week's Popbitch newsletter...

----

>> DU-Pee <<
Stalling tactics

There's been a lot of focus on the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems' relative popularity in the early days of this election – but what about the smaller parties? How are the DUP faring with the voter on the street at the moment?

Arlene Foster and Nigel Dodds went out for a late lunch at a fancy restaurant-bar in East Belfast the other week, bringing a sizable entourage of heavies with them. The guards quickly commandeered the restaurant's toilets, telling any diners who approached to either hold it in or use the toilets in the venue's bar instead.

That was until one brave diner squared up to them, insisting to be let past and threatening to soil themselves if they wouldn't move – getting someone to hover about with their camera phone primed.

Funnily enough, Foster and Dodds didn't hang around much longer after that. They left their desserts behind and were treated to a long slow-clap out of the venue.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: RedHand88 on November 07, 2019, 09:21:18 PM
 https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1192042168803827714

Worthy of WTF thread status.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on November 07, 2019, 09:42:35 PM
Who in their right mind would give that unscrupulous p***k money.

Him and farage a match made in heaven. Shows the standards that party have.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 15, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
Waking this thread up back from the dead...





Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on December 15, 2019, 09:29:40 PM
I used to think they were just taking the piss out of people with this kind of stuff but I do sometimes wonder do they just completely lack any form of self awareness. They haven’t really proved themselves to be very competent recently.

They also said if Boris builds a bridge to Scotland  they’d maybe trust him again ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on December 15, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
I used to think they were just taking the piss out of people with this kind of stuff but I do sometimes wonder do they just completely lack any form of self awareness. They haven’t really proved themselves to be very competent recently.

They also said if Boris builds a bridge to Scotland  they’d maybe trust him again ;D

It's was great seeing her with the face tripping her live at Titanic early Friday morning.  Can't wait till RHI report now.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: under the bar on December 15, 2019, 10:39:26 PM
They are fucked.  Not that the Tories really give a f**k but at least in Dodds, they had someone who, as a barrister, has to give convincing speeches for a living. Now they are left with chip-shop Sammy to convince parliament not to vote the Boris deal through with Eastwood and Hanna telling it like it really is. Brilliant!! ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: JohnDenver on December 16, 2019, 08:27:49 AM
They are fucked.  Not that the Tories really give a f**k but at least in Dodds, they had someone who, as a barrister, has to give convincing speeches for a living. Now they are left with chip-shop Sammy to convince parliament not to vote the Boris deal through with Eastwood and Hanna telling it like it really is. Brilliant!! ;D

You had Sylvia Hermon telling it like it really is last year, won't matter a fiddlers f**k in the grand scheme of things in westminster. Tories can and will do as they please.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: tbrick18 on December 16, 2019, 02:23:22 PM
They are fucked.  Not that the Tories really give a f**k but at least in Dodds, they had someone who, as a barrister, has to give convincing speeches for a living. Now they are left with chip-shop Sammy to convince parliament not to vote the Boris deal through with Eastwood and Hanna telling it like it really is. Brilliant!! ;D

You had Sylvia Hermon telling it like it really is last year, won't matter a fiddlers f**k in the grand scheme of things in westminster. Tories can and will do as they please.

Exactly right.
It doesn't matter how many from any party here are in Westminster. It's a token gesture and they have no power. SF, in my opinion, with their abstention policy are drawing attention to this. The previous parliament with DUP propping up the Tories was an exception, and even in doing it, they didn't make any real impact on policy.
The only good thing to come out of SDLP and Alliance getting a voice over there now, is that the DUP can't claim to represent NI without it being challenged. Perhaps the media will pick up on that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: From the Bunker on December 16, 2019, 04:42:53 PM
I used to think they were just taking the piss out of people with this kind of stuff but I do sometimes wonder do they just completely lack any form of self awareness. They haven’t really proved themselves to be very competent recently.

They also said if Boris builds a bridge to Scotland  they’d maybe trust him again ;D

https://www.irishpost.com/news/sammy-wilson-says-boris-johnson-can-win-back-trust-dup-bridge-scotland-175493 (https://www.irishpost.com/news/sammy-wilson-says-boris-johnson-can-win-back-trust-dup-bridge-scotland-175493)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 16, 2019, 05:04:06 PM
I used to think they were just taking the piss out of people with this kind of stuff but I do sometimes wonder do they just completely lack any form of self awareness. They haven’t really proved themselves to be very competent recently.

They also said if Boris builds a bridge to Scotland  they’d maybe trust him again ;D

https://www.irishpost.com/news/sammy-wilson-says-boris-johnson-can-win-back-trust-dup-bridge-scotland-175493 (https://www.irishpost.com/news/sammy-wilson-says-boris-johnson-can-win-back-trust-dup-bridge-scotland-175493)

Wee Sammy needs to build a bridge and get over it.


He should go do some (more) comfort eating with a wee chup from the chuppy...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: red hander on December 16, 2019, 06:21:06 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid bastard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: marty34 on December 16, 2019, 08:06:43 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid b**tard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic

John Hume should have got a dual carriageway/motorway from Toomebridge to Derry 30 years ago.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Will it ever end on December 16, 2019, 08:43:57 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid b**tard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic

I’d imagine there must be a DUP linked bridge builder that’ll come out of the woodwork if this ever grows legs - please god it doesn’t!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 16, 2019, 08:45:28 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid b**tard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic

I’d imagine there must be a DUP linked bridge builder that’ll come out of the woodwork if this ever grows legs - please god it doesn’t!

Red pie-in-the-Sky
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: tbrick18 on December 16, 2019, 08:52:53 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid b**tard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic

I’d imagine there must be a DUP linked bridge builder that’ll come out of the woodwork if this ever grows legs - please god it doesn’t!

Red pie-in-the-Sky

 ;D ;D

Sammy and co are:
 
Who will be their leader in Westminster now that Deputy Dawg is no longer there? Will it be Jeffrey?


 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: smelmoth on December 16, 2019, 09:13:10 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid b**tard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic

I’d imagine there must be a DUP linked bridge builder that’ll come out of the woodwork if this ever grows legs - please god it doesn’t!

Red pie-in-the-Sky

 ;D ;D

Sammy and co are:
 
  • insecure about their identity so want a hard bridge link to the mainland to cement their Britishness
  • afraid they could get catholicised in a UI
  • afraid they might get treated the way he and his sort have treated nationalists
  • bigoted dinosaurs
  • all of the above

Who will be their leader in Westminster now that Deputy Dawg is no longer there? Will it be Jeffrey?
1 and 4 are true of the DUP. 2,3 and therefore 5 are not true

Sir Jeffrey will face opposition from within the party but let’s boys like Timothy Johnson will have to pull rank on the party and enforce that decision. Sammy, Gregory, Ian Og and Shannon couldn’t be trusted to string a parliamentary sentence together and the other 2 are neophytes
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Applesisapples on December 18, 2019, 03:38:21 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid b**tard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic

I’d imagine there must be a DUP linked bridge builder that’ll come out of the woodwork if this ever grows legs - please god it doesn’t!
To be fair it will be handy to link the independent Republics of Scotland and Ireland😂

Red pie-in-the-Sky

 ;D ;D

Sammy and co are:
 
  • insecure about their identity so want a hard bridge link to the mainland to cement their Britishness
  • afraid they could get catholicised in a UI
  • afraid they might get treated the way he and his sort have treated nationalists
  • bigoted dinosaurs
  • all of the above

Who will be their leader in Westminster now that Deputy Dawg is no longer there? Will it be Jeffrey?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2019, 07:44:31 PM
A bridge, and a how about a bypass in Moneymore, Cookstown, Dungannon, Armagh and form a proper road network before building a bridge to bad roads in Scotland. Decent by pass in Omagh, even the recently finished Toome bypass, why finish with a roundabout in Toome, and that road should been a straight line to the bridge.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: GJL on December 18, 2019, 09:30:24 PM
A bridge, and a how about a bypass in Moneymore, Cookstown, Dungannon, Armagh and form a proper road network before building a bridge to bad roads in Scotland. Decent by pass in Omagh, even the recently finished Toome bypass, why finish with a roundabout in Toome, and that road should been a straight line to the bridge.

I would say get on with the A5 dual carriage way project that should of been started about 8 years ago. People are needlessly dying every year on that poor excuse of a road.

A f**king bridge. Joke of a party that thankfully are at the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: armaghniac on December 19, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
Still on about this unicorn when infrastructure west of the Bann has been criminally neglected for utterly sectarian reasons. Stupid b**tard needs to wise up, more likelihood of a bridge to the moon than there is of this fantasy. Pathetic

I’d imagine there must be a DUP linked bridge builder that’ll come out of the woodwork if this ever grows legs - please god it doesn’t!

Red pie-in-the-Sky

 ;D ;D

Sammy and co are:
 
  • insecure about their identity so want a hard bridge link to the mainland to cement their Britishness
  • afraid they could get catholicised in a UI
  • afraid they might get treated the way he and his sort have treated nationalists
  • bigoted dinosaurs
  • all of the above

Who will be their leader in Westminster now that Deputy Dawg is no longer there? Will it be Jeffrey?

6. They can march all the way to Scotland and feck up traffic.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Orior on December 19, 2019, 07:49:54 PM
Not a good day for the DUP.

They've been singled out by the english SoS as holding up an agreement to get Stormont back before Christmas.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: armaghniac on December 19, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
Not a good day for the DUP.

They've been singled out by the english SoS as holding up an agreement to get Stormont back before Christmas.

It hasn't been a great week for them, has it?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: marty34 on December 19, 2019, 09:02:12 PM
Not a good day for the DUP.

They've been singled out by the english SoS as holding up an agreement to get Stormont back before Christmas.

I think, after Brexit, the Irish government now knows what it's like todeal with the DUP....impossible!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rossfan on December 19, 2019, 09:14:42 PM
Good to see the c***s being called out.
The oul Tories can go to town on them now ;)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Will it ever end on December 19, 2019, 09:28:30 PM
What a difference a week makes indeed, Julian Smith is really putting the pressure on calling them out publicly - you can sense the Tories really have cut all ties with them!

On a not totally unrelated point - I can’t fathom the disconnect IPJ has by using his first opportunity in parliament to ask for a f**king bridge to Scotland - there is no joined up thinking at all with that basket case party! I genuinely fear they’ve some related interest who is getting them to push this idea!!!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: yellowcard on December 20, 2019, 12:05:14 AM
Surprise surprise the DUP say no again and that’s before they even seek approval from their masters in the orange order. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Tories ditch them like a hot potato as they weren’t exactly a strong partner in government in the last 2 parliaments when it came to crucial Brexit votes.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rossfan on December 20, 2019, 12:10:01 AM
It was  a Conservative Government who ditched the old Stormont and a Conservative Government which concluded the Anglo Irish Agreement in 1985.
The latter put paid to the "as integral a part of the UK as Finchley" argument and recognised the Irish Governnent as a very interested partner in the 6 Cos.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2019, 08:34:26 AM
What a difference a week makes indeed, Julian Smith is really putting the pressure on calling them out publicly - you can sense the Tories really have cut all ties with them!

On a not totally unrelated point - I can’t fathom the disconnect IPJ has by using his first opportunity in parliament to ask for a f**king bridge to Scotland - there is no joined up thinking at all with that basket case party! I genuinely fear they’ve some related interest who is getting them to push this idea!!!

no pandering to the DUP's sensitivities by Julian Smith last night in singling them out as the one party not in agreement with the rest.

Gregory Campbell on this morning defending their position but with more nurse strikes pencilled in for January then you'd expect them to come under serious pressure.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: playwiththewind1st on December 20, 2019, 08:37:27 AM
I think the DUP will do whatever is necessary to avoid an Assembly election....everybody can see they're bluffing.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: guy crouchback on December 20, 2019, 08:54:19 AM
the big problem Boris now has is keeping the union together in the wake of brexit. to do this he will have to go back to the old ''killing home rule with kindness'' approach the tories invented 150 years ago. this means f**k the DUP and make nice with the rest. you could piss all over the DUP and they will still support the union, its the rest you need to butter up.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2019, 09:01:36 AM
I think the DUP will do whatever is necessary to avoid an Assembly election....everybody can see they're bluffing.

I'd have thought that after the GE results that both the DUP and Sinn Fein would have been avoiding another election like the plague.
Shinners now have a bit of political cover after Smith's remarks about the DUP but still can't see them being too keen on knocking doors in Feb/March time!!

I wonder what's on the table wrt the Irish Language Act if even the submariner is buying into it!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rossfan on December 20, 2019, 10:31:13 AM
I take it this Smith lad hasn't much time for DUPUDA?
I know it's a very low bar but he seems to be a vast improvement on the last 2 holders of the post.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2019, 12:06:45 PM
I take it this Smith lad hasn't much time for DUPUDA?
I know it's a very low bar but he seems to be a vast improvement on the last 2 holders of the post.

He's now part of the pan nationalist front according to Jamwie Bwyson....

I could be corrected on this but was Smith not in the May camp and I'd suggest that if he was he'll have no issue in sowing it into Arlene and the DUP after the way they made her change her WA at the last minute and still didn't vote for it..
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: screenexile on December 20, 2019, 12:09:18 PM
I take it this Smith lad hasn't much time for DUPUDA?
I know it's a very low bar but he seems to be a vast improvement on the last 2 holders of the post.

He at least talks to people and would seem to have an interest in what's going on here so ... yes!

Bradley and Brokenshire were less than useless.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Orior on December 20, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
What was fat Nolan's big breaking news this morning?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: lurganblue on December 20, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
What was fat Nolan's big breaking news this morning?

I don't know but apparently the vote was a farce. I don't listen to this bastid but I did get a text about it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: under the bar on December 20, 2019, 03:30:50 PM
Looks like the sticking point for the OO/UDA's lackies is less to do with the ILA and more to do with the reforms to the POC. The tramps still want to be able to block any bill they don't like, even when they are in the minority!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 20, 2019, 03:36:42 PM
What was fat Nolan's big breaking news this morning?

Tescos are doing 3 boxes of milk tray for a tenner.

Well Nolan thought it was vital news anyway.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2019, 03:43:30 PM
Looks like the sticking point for the OO/UDA's lackies is less to do with the ILA and more to do with the reforms to the POC. The tramps still want to be able to block any bill they don't like, even when they are in the minority!

There's a good chance that an ILA is to be put forward very quickly in the new assembly but it looks like the Shinners, the SDLP, Alliance and even the UUP want the POC mechanism modified to prevent it and other bills being blocked by the DUP who I think would need Jim TUV and some others to get the numbers to block it under the current process.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 20, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
Looks like the sticking point for the OO/UDA's lackies is less to do with the ILA and more to do with the reforms to the POC. The tramps still want to be able to block any bill they don't like, even when they are in the minority!

The point of a POC is that it prevents the minority being ran over by the majority.

However, with the Alliance party now of significant size and a neutral party - it means you could not too far down the line have a vote for something which was
100% nationalists FOR
100% neutral FOR
49% unionist FOR

Which added up to over 80% over the overall vote  (based on 35:30:35, instead of the 42:17:39*) - yet still not get through because the DUP voted against.


Even as it sits at the moment*, if everyone but the DUP voted for something, that'd be over 67% of the overall vote... and it be denied.


*Proportions based on 2019 GE election
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: armaghniac on December 20, 2019, 07:44:40 PM
I see that Stephen Farry used the cúpla focal in his maiden speech in Westminster.
Neat way of making a point.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: balladmaker on December 21, 2019, 02:39:18 PM
I see that Stephen Farry used the cúpla focal in his maiden speech in Westminster.
Neat way of making a point.

Yup, fair play to him.  Also to Colum Eastwood for what was an elegant maiden speech.  He and Claire Hanna also made their point at the swearing of the oath of allegiance to the Queen and her heirs.

The new SNP MP from Coatbridge was great, he stood with his right hand in the air and fingers crossed :-)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on December 21, 2019, 09:41:57 PM
Am hearing that there are some very interesting rumours circulating about DUP leader (allegedly)?

Cant leave it at that, do tell
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Boycey on December 21, 2019, 09:47:28 PM
Twitter is your friend
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2019, 09:53:36 PM
Twitter is your friend

I’ve no twitter, link?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on December 21, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
One question. Why? What is he thinking lol
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2019, 10:14:18 PM
She’s fecking bogging! She’s the cure for sex addiction
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: sensethetone on December 21, 2019, 10:24:41 PM
If it's in the Sunday World tomorrow it could well be a load a shite..
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rois on December 21, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
Heard this rumour on Monday past.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2019, 10:46:22 PM
Heard this rumour on Monday past.

And you’re only letting us know now? That’s unfair
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Rois on December 21, 2019, 10:55:28 PM
Yez wouldn’t have believed it - seriously, who would?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Shamrock Shore on December 21, 2019, 11:04:40 PM
Sweet Jesus. I'd rather be celibate if that was the only choice
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: johnnycool on December 21, 2019, 11:46:43 PM
Has there ever been a more apt title for a thread?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Windmill abu on December 22, 2019, 12:09:43 AM
Did he Rub Her Intimately. another RHI scandal on the horizion
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: under the bar on December 22, 2019, 12:17:58 AM
The pig sArlene has apparently been shagging a toy-boy  in London for a while now.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: red hander on December 22, 2019, 12:22:11 AM
I'd be worried about getting into a car driven by somebody so obviously blind.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: The Subbie on December 22, 2019, 07:09:08 AM
If the snarlene thing is true we could see a mega thread to rival the Iris Robinson toy boy thread :)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Orior on December 22, 2019, 08:53:58 AM
I'd be worried about getting into a car driven by somebody so obviously blind.

Very good!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 22, 2019, 09:13:49 AM
Be trawling twitter but just all individual hearsay. Any actual articles on it?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: under the bar on December 22, 2019, 10:06:31 AM
Be trawling twitter but just all individual hearsay. Any actual articles on it?

No articles as subject of a super-injunction it seems. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 22, 2019, 10:39:57 AM
She wasn’t at the talks on Thursday as she was sick (allegedly)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 22, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
From working in the locality this has been known now for about a month. Seems to have a serious bit of foundation to it. It is in times like these where it is very handy to have a large involvement in a local hotel...you have your pick of rooms!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on December 22, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
It’s what finished Hamilton too by all accounts.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on December 22, 2019, 11:43:40 AM
Cross party though with the party involved could have been cross community too lol.

This kind of thing could finish her. Here’s hoping though it’d just be some other horrendous individual taking her place.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 22, 2019, 11:45:54 AM
Cross party though with the party involved could have been cross community too lol.

This kind of thing could finish her. Here’s hoping though it’d just be some other horrendous individual taking her place.

Seems you have these affairs going on all the time within these political parties!

The attraction of power
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: imtommygunn on December 22, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
 ;D

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: GJL on December 22, 2019, 05:16:52 PM
If ya feed a crocodile........

Think the driver was feeding the pony instead of the crocodile. 🤢
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: under the bar on December 22, 2019, 05:48:24 PM
She wasn’t at the talks on Thursday as she was sick (allegedly)


It's a long drive back from London. Doing it with a c**k down your throat would make anyone sick!  :o
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch
Post by: Dire Ear on December 22, 2019, 05:51:47 PM
From working in the locality this has been known now for about a month. Seems to have a serious bit of foundation to it. It is in times like these where it is very handy to have a large involvement in a local hotel...you have your pick of rooms!
Corrick ??
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 22, 2019, 07:45:13 PM
From working in the locality this has been known now for about a month. Seems to have a serious bit of foundation to it. It is in times like these where it is very handy to have a large involvement in a local hotel...you have your pick of rooms!
Corrick ??

Got it in one.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Harold Disgracey on December 22, 2019, 10:30:42 PM
Heard about this last Monday, same source said Foster and Pengelly had a massive bust up at the count last week.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 22, 2019, 10:52:04 PM
Heard about this last Monday, same source said Foster and Pengelly had a massive bust up at the count last week.
Both wanted a slice of Ian Og?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: screenexile on December 23, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
Bryson must be looking for a change at the top in the DUP.

By far the most high profile twitter user commenting on it but believes she shouldn’t be “targeted in this way”. Smart.

This will put massive pressure on her now.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 23, 2019, 12:27:57 AM
Heard about this last Monday, same source said Foster and Pengelly had a massive bust up at the count last week.
That’s interesting. I know they don’t get on which is why Pengelly was put up for South Belfast in the first place so as to get her out of the road. Pengelly was hoping to get Carla Lockards MLA post but the Dodds’ could also have an interest there. Exciting times ahead
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Main Street on December 23, 2019, 09:31:47 AM
Do these rumours about Arlene not humanise her to a wider extent than previously (wildly) imagined?
I'm thinking Tommy Tiernan here.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: johnnycool on December 23, 2019, 10:29:57 AM
From working in the locality this has been known now for about a month. Seems to have a serious bit of foundation to it. It is in times like these where it is very handy to have a large involvement in a local hotel...you have your pick of rooms!
Corrick ??

Got it in one.

How large is the involvement?

https://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/news/minister-opens-1-4million-spa-at-corick-house-hotel-in-tyrone-1-6991261 (https://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/news/minister-opens-1-4million-spa-at-corick-house-hotel-in-tyrone-1-6991261)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 23, 2019, 10:47:51 AM
I’d heard 50% but there’s no record of anything in the Assembly Register of Members’ Interests
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: imtommygunn on December 23, 2019, 11:15:50 AM
I wonder how many boilers they have...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: johnnycool on December 23, 2019, 11:40:52 AM
I wonder how many boilers they have...

One for the heating and one has moved into a room allegedly...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: imtommygunn on December 23, 2019, 11:42:59 AM
Nothing dubious about that at all ???
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 23, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
From working in the locality this has been known now for about a month. Seems to have a serious bit of foundation to it. It is in times like these where it is very handy to have a large involvement in a local hotel...you have your pick of rooms!
Corrick ??

Got it in one.

How large is the involvement?

https://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/news/minister-opens-1-4million-spa-at-corick-house-hotel-in-tyrone-1-6991261 (https://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/news/minister-opens-1-4million-spa-at-corick-house-hotel-in-tyrone-1-6991261)


Corrick was known to have been in a spot of financial bother of late. It was then that the involvement certainly became larger. Again this is well known in the locality...however I can't confirm the number of RHI boilers involved  ;)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: marty34 on December 23, 2019, 12:02:07 PM
Is all this just a rumour?  If true, I mean would you go you your local hotel/owner of a piece in it if front of local workers etc. if this was the case.

Could be a case of the queen 'passing away' a few weeks ago!!!!



Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 23, 2019, 12:21:15 PM
I think it’s true ok
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on December 23, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
Ulster says YES, YES, YES!!!

:boke:
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: sensethetone on December 23, 2019, 01:56:47 PM
Ulster says YES, YES, YES!!!

:boke:

What's yes in Ulster-scotch.. Och Aye?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: armaghniac on December 23, 2019, 02:08:28 PM
Probably Pengelly was criticising Arlene's behaviour as bringing the DUP into disrepute.

Bryson not helping things by condemning the rumour, without suggesting it wasn't true.


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: red hander on December 23, 2019, 02:44:13 PM
Probably Pengelly was criticising Arlene's behaviour as bringing the DUP into disrepute.

Bryson not helping things by condemning the rumour, without suggesting it wasn't true.




John Finucane has family and children but it didn't stop UVF boy from harassing him, though, to be fair, it did backfire spectacularly on the Elmer Fudd of Donaghadee.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 23, 2019, 03:51:27 PM
Thats what got Arlene into bother in the first place lad
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2019, 04:24:13 PM
Thats what got Arlene into bother in the first place lad


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: delgany on December 23, 2019, 06:50:54 PM
Probably Pengelly was criticising Arlene's behaviour as bringing the DUP into disrepute.

Bryson not helping things by condemning the rumour, without suggesting it wasn't true.





Democratic Unionist MEP Diane Dodds is to replace Carla Lockhart as assembly member for Upper Bann.

Ms Lockhart MP resigned from the Northern Ireland Assembly after she became MP for the 

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: tonto1888 on December 23, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
Probably Pengelly was criticising Arlene's behaviour as bringing the DUP into disrepute.

Bryson not helping things by condemning the rumour, without suggesting it wasn't true.





Democratic Unionist MEP Diane Dodds is to replace Carla Lockhart as assembly member for Upper Bann.

Ms Lockhart MP resigned from the Northern Ireland Assembly after she became MP for the

I thought we were getting ELP
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: shantygael on December 23, 2019, 07:40:52 PM
See the church leaders are urging the local politicians to go the extra mile. Small steps though....an extra few inches nightly will do rightly, in the first instance.
And Paisley back in the day  giving it the "Not an inch" speech.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: johnnycool on December 27, 2019, 11:38:23 AM
See the church leaders are urging the local politicians to go the extra mile. Small steps though....an extra few inches nightly will do rightly, in the first instance.
And Paisley back in the day  giving it the "Not an inch" speech.

Arlene's legal team threatening Dr Christian jessen over a tweet...

Wonder will she have more success with him than she did with Sam McBride.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 27, 2019, 12:52:12 PM
See the church leaders are urging the local politicians to go the extra mile. Small steps though....an extra few inches nightly will do rightly, in the first instance.
And Paisley back in the day  giving it the "Not an inch" speech.

Arlene's legal team threatening Dr Christian jessen over a tweet...

Wonder will she have more success with him than she did with Sam McBride.

The minute they contact Paul Tweed, the minute you know they’re guilty. Would have been better served making a bland dismissal statement and leaving it at that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: johnnycool on December 27, 2019, 01:29:54 PM
See the church leaders are urging the local politicians to go the extra mile. Small steps though....an extra few inches nightly will do rightly, in the first instance.
And Paisley back in the day  giving it the "Not an inch" speech.

Arlene's legal team threatening Dr Christian jessen over a tweet...

Wonder will she have more success with him than she did with Sam McBride.

The minute they contact Paul Tweed, the minute you know they’re guilty. Would have been better served making a bland dismissal statement and leaving it at that.

This Paul Tweed lad seems to be the DUP's go to man for this kind of thing, not entirely sure he's had much success though.

I suppose he's suppressed a bit of stuff for them allegedly about Ian O'g, Pengelly and Jeffrey's viewing habits whilst in London!!!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: weareros on December 27, 2019, 04:52:56 PM
If the taxi fare was still running it could be up there with the perpetually burning ash as a shocking waste of taxpayers money.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: red hander on December 27, 2019, 08:45:55 PM
See the church leaders are urging the local politicians to go the extra mile. Small steps though....an extra few inches nightly will do rightly, in the first instance.
And Paisley back in the day  giving it the "Not an inch" speech.

Arlene's legal team threatening Dr Christian jessen over a tweet...

Wonder will she have more success with him than she did with Sam McBride.

The minute they contact Paul Tweed, the minute you know they’re guilty. Would have been better served making a bland dismissal statement and leaving it at that.

Very true.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 27, 2019, 11:41:02 PM
See the church leaders are urging the local politicians to go the extra mile. Small steps though....an extra few inches nightly will do rightly, in the first instance.
And Paisley back in the day  giving it the "Not an inch" speech.

Arlene's legal team threatening Dr Christian jessen over a tweet...

Wonder will she have more success with him than she did with Sam McBride.

The minute they contact Paul Tweed, the minute you know they’re guilty. Would have been better served making a bland dismissal statement and leaving it at that.

This Paul Tweed lad seems to be the DUP's go to man for this kind of thing, not entirely sure he's had much success though.

I suppose he's suppressed a bit of stuff for them allegedly about Ian O'g, Pengelly and Jeffrey's viewing habits whilst in London!!!

Ah sir come on. Spill.
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Post by: weareros on December 28, 2019, 01:55:07 AM
He allegedly watched clean family movies and expensed them, not Bromance. https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/i-just-watched-family-movies-says-jeffrey-donaldson-28486800.html
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: shantygael on December 28, 2019, 01:46:32 PM
See the church leaders are urging the local politicians to go the extra mile. Small steps though....an extra few inches nightly will do rightly, in the first instance.
And Paisley back in the day  giving it the "Not an inch" speech.

Arlene's legal team threatening Dr Christian jessen over a tweet...

Wonder will she have more success with him than she did with Sam McBride.

The minute they contact Paul Tweed, the minute you know they’re guilty. Would have been better served making a bland dismissal statement and leaving it at that.

This Paul Tweed lad seems to be the DUP's go to man for this kind of thing, not entirely sure he's had much success though.

I suppose he's suppressed a bit of stuff for them allegedly about Ian O'g, Pengelly and Jeffrey's viewing habits whilst in London!!!

Ah sir come on. Spill.
Doe he not have  the type of friend  which goes against party policy  over in London.😁
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: LeoMc on December 28, 2019, 05:29:42 PM
Would he recognise Cathal “Fergus” McCarron from the TV?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: under the bar on December 30, 2019, 06:42:48 PM
He allegedly watched clean family movies and expensed them, not Bromance. https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/i-just-watched-family-movies-says-jeffrey-donaldson-28486800.html

Why anyone would think that Geoffrey might be interested in gay porn is beyond me!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: armaghniac on January 02, 2020, 01:17:58 AM
Little Emma is off to work with orangutans, as distinct from orange tans. 
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/ex-dup-mp-emma-little-pengelly-is-to-volunteer-in-jungle-after-a-bumpy-year-1-9188178
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Post by: Smokin Joe on January 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Sam McBride's excellent book on the RHI scandal, Burned, is on sale (by mistake apparently but will take 24 hours to rectify) for just 99p as the Kindle edition: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07Z8GLKV6
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 02, 2020, 05:29:03 PM
Little Emma is off to work with orangutans, as distinct from orange tans. 
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/ex-dup-mp-emma-little-pengelly-is-to-volunteer-in-jungle-after-a-bumpy-year-1-9188178

She must not fancy a few weeks at home with nothing to do only talk to the husba....
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Post by: armaghniac on January 02, 2020, 06:11:53 PM
Sam McBride's excellent book on the RHI scandal, Burned, is on sale (by mistake apparently but will take 24 hours to rectify) for just 99p as the Kindle edition: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07Z8GLKV6

It would be a cute move for someone with a few £ to sponsor the book on Amazon at the price for a few days.
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Post by: Square Ball on January 02, 2020, 06:21:25 PM
Was sent a copy of Burnt ages ago.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: under the bar on January 03, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Little Emma is off to work with orangutans, as distinct from orange tans. 
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/ex-dup-mp-emma-little-pengelly-is-to-volunteer-in-jungle-after-a-bumpy-year-1-9188178

Presumably another murky story is about to break the news and Junior's knob-polisher wants to be as far away from it as possible?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: red hander on January 04, 2020, 12:24:44 AM
Her husband will obviously miss her, such was his reluctance to let her go to the jungle to wipe the holes of apes and gorillas. She must be still pining for the boyo who dropped her like a sack of shite after meeting thon Mexican blade and moved to live in that country.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: bogball88 on January 06, 2020, 10:54:12 AM
Her husband will obviously miss her, such was his reluctance to let her go to the jungle to wipe the holes of apes and gorillas. She must be still pining for the boyo who dropped her like a sack of shite after meeting thon Mexican blade and moved to live in that country.
Who was that now?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Tyrdub on January 06, 2020, 03:17:59 PM
Her husband will obviously miss her, such was his reluctance to let her go to the jungle to wipe the holes of apes and gorillas. She must be still pining for the boyo who dropped her like a sack of shite after meeting thon Mexican blade and moved to live in that country.
Who was that now?

+1 ??
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Putting the "69" back into "1690"
Post by: Fionntamhnach on March 12, 2020, 01:26:30 PM
Not exactly DUP, but it does involve the son of DUP MLA Mervyn Storey...

A son of Policing Board member and DUP MLA Mervyn Storey has been fined £300 after he admitted he told police at last year's Lundy's parade in L****nderry that he didn't want "to walk past Fenians".

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mans-son-told-psni-he-didnt-want-to-walk-past-fenians-39037673.html





* A certain word has been censored in case a few here get triggered.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - No longer able to make Boris Johnson sit on the naughty step
Post by: Hereiam on March 13, 2020, 09:34:28 AM
So the RHI report is out today and my god they couldnt has asked for a better time for it to be released. Expect it to all to be swept under the carpet and never heard of again. The lord works in mysterious ways.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - No longer able to make Boris Johnson sit on the naughty step
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2020, 10:06:18 AM
So the RHI report is out today and my god they couldnt has asked for a better time for it to be released. Expect it to all to be swept under the carpet and never heard of again. The lord works in mysterious ways.

Its a great day to get rid of bad news
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - No longer able to make Boris Johnson sit on the naughty step
Post by: TheOptimist on March 13, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
keep an eye out for the Russia report also as soon as the UK hits peak panic
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - No longer able to make Boris Johnson sit on the naughty step
Post by: Main Street on March 13, 2020, 08:41:13 PM
Very convenient that the report headline reads 

No corruption involved in cash for ash scandal,

It has the smell of a crude stormont whitewash.

I read Sam McBride's artice in the Belfast Newsletter about the report,
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/uk-news/rhi-inquiry-verdict-no-corruption-involved-cash-ash-scandal-senior-dup-and-civil-service-figures-criticised-2449882 (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/uk-news/rhi-inquiry-verdict-no-corruption-involved-cash-ash-scandal-senior-dup-and-civil-service-figures-criticised-2449882)
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He gives account of serious findings which fall beyond the definition of corruption.
If it were a criminal fraud investigation, the carpet might well have  have been lifted

RHI Inquiry verdict:
No corruption involved in cash for ash scandal, but senior DUP and civil service figures criticised

The cash for ash scandal did not happen because of corrupt or malicious activity by civil servants, ministers or special advisers, Sir Patrick Coghlin’s public inquiry into RHI has found.



The report of the inquiry into the Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI) has also absolved First Minister Arlene Foster, the minister who established the scheme, of blame in relation to some of the most damaging allegations which had been levelled at her by her successor as Energy Minister, Jonathan Bell.
However, the inquiry has severely criticised many civil servants and has also criticised a series of senior political figures for their actions – including Mrs Foster.
Sir Patrick’s report – which is in three volumes and runs to more than 650 pages – uses language which is often restrained.


The chairman of the Renewable Heat Incentive Inquiry, the Right Honourable Sir Patrick Coghlin pictured with the inquiry panel member Dame Una O'Brien, left, and technical expert Dr Keith MacLean OBE, right, in September 2017, at the outset of the hearings. The inquiry reported today, Friday March 13 2020. Pic Colm Lenaghan/Pacemaker

In summing up the issue, the report says: “Corrupt or malicious activity on the part of officials, ministers or special advisers was not the cause of what went wrong with the NI RHI scheme (albeit the inquiry has identified some instances where behaviour was unacceptable).
“Rather, the vast majority of what went wrong was due to an accumulation of errors and omissions over time and a failure of attention, on the part of all those involved in their differing roles, to identify the existence, significance or implications of those errors and omissions.”
It added: “There is no guarantee that the weaknesses shown in governance, staffing and leadership revealed by the inquiry’s investigation of the NI RHI scheme could not combine again to undermine some future initiative.”
Arlene Foster – who had been minister in the Department for Enterprise, Trade and Investment (DETI) – admitted to the inquiry that she had not bothered to read the RHI regulations – the legislation under which the scheme was established.
Sir Patrick’s report said: “The inquiry considers that the minister, in presenting the regulations to the Assembly and asking for their approval, should have read them herself, not least because in the inquiry’s view to do so is a core part of a minister’s job.


“If she and/or her spad had read the regulations, this might well have made no difference to the outcome; but if they had done so, or taken a more active interest in the development of the regulations, this would have provided an opportunity for each of them to see that, particularly with regard to the submission that she had received on 16 March 2012, there were no reviews ‘built-in’ to the regulations....there was no definition of ‘useful heat’, and no form of budget control had been included.”
Although Mrs Foster and her special adviser, Andrew Crawford, were given misleading and incomplete information by officials, the inquiry said that at least one of them “should have asked more questions and sought further reassurance in relation to at least some of the matters identified in the submission of 12 March 2012...Mrs Foster should not have signed a Regulatory Impact Assessment document in which she was declaring that the benefits justified the costs without being provided with or seeking all of the necessary information about the lifetime costs”.
It found that a decision by Dr Crawford, Economy Minsiter Simon Hamilton, his then spad John Robinson and the First Minister’s special adviser Richard Bullick to leak emails in an attempt to shift the focus of criticism from the DUP to civil servants was “unacceptable”.
That decision, at the height of the political crisis in January 2017 was, the inquiry said, “a quite extraordinary and unacceptable step for an executive minister to also acquiesce”.


The inquiry said it was clear that the DUP and Sinn Féin broke the spirit – and perhaps the letter – of the law in their appointment of spads.
It said: “It is clear from the evidence received by the inquiry that both of the two main parties in the Executive, the DUP and Sinn Féin, breached the spirit and/or provisions of the 2013 Act...and the mandatory codes issued by DFP in accordance with sections 7 and 8 of that Act in one way or another”.
Some of the inquiry’s strongest criticisms of political figures centre on the man who was Arlene Foster’s hand-picked special adviser for most of her ministerial career, Andrew Crawford.
The inquiry said that after Dr Crawford was alerted to the likelihood of a “massive spike” in applications to RHI in the summer of 2015, he wrongly did not pass that on to his minister, Finance Minister Arlene Foster.


It said: “The inquiry finds this unacceptable considering the potential financial impacts that would very clearly be of interest to Ms Foster as Minister for DFP.”
The inquiry found that “Dr Crawford’s suggestions [for dealing with the budget overrun] ...were aimed at benefiting poultry farmers and, indirectly, Moy Park an organisation  that dominated the industry in Northern Ireland, an industry in which Dr Crawford’s family were clearly involved”.
However, the inquiry found that “ultimately, Dr Crawford did not deliberately delay the introduction of cost controls. This finding holds notwithstanding the inquiry’s criticism of Dr Crawford for his suggested amendment to the proposals.”
The inquiry went to criticise Dr Crawford, saying that it was “totally unacceptable that Dr Crawford provided confidential information to external parties, including his family”.


It also found that when he came to remove from a ministerial submission an accurate statement about the poultry industry’s role in driving the spike in RHI applications, he should have declared in writing that he had family members who were poultry farmers and RHI claimants.
It said that “in view of the conflict of interest that Dr Crawford had, which had not been formally declared, he should not have been involved in advising on DETI’s Urgent Procedure  document relating to RHI [closure]” and he should not have removed the poultry reference.
Significantly, the inquiry did not accept that evidence of the DUP’s most powerful backroom figure, former spad and current party chief executive Timothy Johnston, was likely correct when he said that he had no role in telling another spad – Tim Cairns – to delay cost controls when the scheme was out of control.
The report said: “The inquiry has given careful consideration to the conflict of evidence between Mr Cairns and Mr Johnston as to whether Mr Johnston had expressed a view that tariff controls would not be introduced.”


On balance, taking into account the oral evidence given by both individuals and the email of 17 August 2015 from Mr Cairns to Mr Johnston, the inquiry prefers the account given by Mr Cairns and finds that Mr Johnston was much more involved in the RHI scheme discussions, including on tariff controls, than Mr Johnston’s evidence to the inquiry would suggest.”
Relating to Jonathan Bell’s claims, the inquiry found “no objective evidence to support Mr Bell’s allegation that Mr Cairns had intervened to keep RHI matters ‘off the agenda’ at meetings”.It also rejected several of his claims in his dramatic December 2016 interview with Stephen Nolan, saying that it was incorrect for him to claim that senior official Chris Stewart had come to him as “a whistleblower” and that both he and his spad share responsibility for not asking for more information on RHI in the summer of 2015.
As RHI was running out of control in early and mid-2015, the inquiry said that “there was a significant lack of effective leadership within DETI in the early weeks of June 2015” and that as the summer wore on “decision making lacked management grip by Dr [Andrew] McCormick, Mr [Chris] Stewart and Mr [John] Mills...the process was allowed to drift.”
The inquiry found that Mr Bell was “fully aware of the agreement for Mr Cairns to liaise with Dr Crawford”.


Some of the inquiry’s severest criticism of civil servants was levelled at Fiona Hepper – one of several officials to have since been promoted and who is now one of the most senior officials in the Department of Education, responsible for Northern Ireland’s schools system.
The inquiry found that on several occasions she had been involved in misleading documentation going to Mrs Foster.
The inquiry found it was unlikely that Ms Hepper, DETI’s head of energy, had told Mrs Foster that the scheme was not being wholly funded by the Treasury prior to its launch, something the inquiry said was “of very considerable importance”.
The inquiry also found a series of failures by Ms Hepper, her deputy Joanne McCutcheon and her subordinate Peter Hutchinson in alerting the minister to aspects of the scheme.
Sir Patrick found that one of Ms Hepper and Mr Hutchinson’s assertions to Mrs Foster – that a Northern Ireland RHI would produce the most heat at the best value – was “a serious omission likely to mislead any reader”.


The inquiry rejected Ms Hepper’s claim that several months before RHI was launched she had verbally warned Arlene Foster in explicit terms that Ofgem had told civil servants that RHI was vulnerable from the outset because it was being launched without cost controls.
It said: “If the conversation between Ms Hepper and the minister did take place, the inquiry finds that the warning was not highlighted as Ms Hepper maintained.
“It is the view of the inquiry that if such a warning were being raised with the minister it should have been the subject of a careful minute or record setting out the advice that Ms Hepper had provided to the minister and the minister’s response thereto.”
Sir Patrick said that the Assembly committee which scrutinised DETI “was not provided with sufficient/adequate information to permit [it] to effectively discharge its scrutiny function”.


The inquiry said that DETI allocated “inadequate” resources to the creation of RHI and that it should never have embarked on the scheme, given its complexity and the department’s lack of resources.
It said that once the scheme was up and running the decision to allow almost all of those with any responsibility for RHI to leave DETI within the space of a few months from about a year after the scheme was established “should not have been allowed to happen....the level of turnover should have been escalated to top management within DETI and failure to do so clearly suggested a lack of leadership.”
It added: “The inquiry found it difficult to understand how this significant changeover of senior and junior staff was permitted to occur....”
The inquiry found that briefing of industry which alerted certain businesses that RHI was to be reined in was “wholly inappropriate” on the part of civil servants and “it was particularly unacceptable that external parties were being informed of plans before they had been seen or approved by the minister”.
It also found that “the selective nature of the officials’ contacts was capable of producing significant market distortion by providing commercially sensitive information to some parties and not to others”.


The inquiry criticised officials in the then Sinn Féin Agriculture Minister Michelle O’Neill’s department for not passing on to DETI their knowledge of the likely demand for RHI from farmers - and huge heat demand among Moy Park’s poultry farmers.
It said: “The inquiry considers that the remarks of Agriculture Minister O’Neill in her written evidence to the inquiry quoted in this chapter, that it was not for her to scrutinse the work of another minister, do not seem to deal with the need for basic departmental cooperation in the interest of avoiding excessive expenditure of public funds.”
It said that agriculture officials present at events where RHI was being openly marketed as “free heat” and “cash for ash” should have appreciated “the potential for the scheme to provide excessively generous rewards.
“Effective departmental cooperation would have required making those facts known to DETI.”


The inquiry also praised businesswoman Janette O’Hagan, who from just a few months into RHI attempted to warn Arlene Foster personally about the scheme’s fundamental flaw, and who then repeatedly tried to get Mrs Foster’s officials to believe her.
Sir Patrick’s report said: “The inquiry considered Ms O’Hagan to be an impressive witness and it was not difficult to sympathise with her sense of frustration at the apparent inaction of a government department for some two years, even failing to carry out any investigation into the evidence that she had provided with regard to the perverse incentive to waste public funds.”
It went on: “Regardless of what official guidelines said on whistleblowing, any member of the public bringing forward a serious concern was entitled to have those concerns taken seriously.
“The treatment of both Ms O’Hagan and her attempts at communicating her concerns fell well below the standard that she was entitled to expect from the department.”
The response of Mrs Foster’s officials to Ms O’Hagan when they met her was “completely inadequate”.


It said that Ms O’Hagan’s evidence that when told of abuse the officials had said “people wouldn’t do that” was something which shows “a culture which allows such blinkered belief in the correctness of their approach is of significant concern to the inquiry and must not be allowed to continue if such a situation is to be avoided in the future”.
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Post by: LeoMc on March 13, 2020, 11:28:35 PM
The 2 Tyrone lads, Beraghs Crawford and Eskras Robinson get out of this fairly lightly.
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Post by: Hereiam on March 14, 2020, 05:45:18 AM
Was to be expected but every dog on the street knows what went on.
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Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 14, 2020, 08:26:01 AM
Quite a number of the Civil Servants involved have in the intervening period been promoted and, under a competency based interview scenario most likely used their involvement in RHI as an example of how they met the relevant competencies. There should be a clamour to have these reviewed in light of the findings of the Inquiry
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Post by: smelmoth on March 15, 2020, 03:29:04 PM
Was to be expected but every dog on the street knows what went on.

Tell us what went on then
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - No longer able to make Boris Johnson sit on the naughty step
Post by: johnnycool on March 17, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
Quite a number of the Civil Servants involved have in the intervening period been promoted and, under a competency based interview scenario most likely used their involvement in RHI as an example of how they met the relevant competencies. There should be a clamour to have these reviewed in light of the findings of the Inquiry

North Down Christian element in the higher echelons of the Civil Service.

good living for a living.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: red hander on May 08, 2020, 01:53:15 PM
Honourable mention for all-round idiot Alex Easton, who the Irish News totally stitched up by printing a letter of his verbatim criticising Irish language funding that was so riddled with spelling and grammatical mistakes that it looked like the ramblings of two year old handling a biro for the first time. Not only filmed shopping online for shoes during health committee meeting up at Shitmont, but the tr**p went on post a photo of his staunch brown brogues full of holes in bid to defend his actions. Maybe he should have shopped online for a toupee, judging by the big hole you can see through that ridiculous combover of his.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: Rois on May 08, 2020, 02:28:03 PM
That’s the Irish language causing problems in the Assembly again. Alex Easton claims he heard a Sinn Féin MLA say, “It’s time we all went on ASOS.”
;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: Dougal Maguire on May 09, 2020, 01:27:57 PM
Honourable mention for all-round idiot Alex Easton, who the Irish News totally stitched up by printing a letter of his verbatim criticising Irish language funding that was so riddled with spelling and grammatical mistakes that it looked like the ramblings of two year old handling a biro for the first time. Not only filmed shopping online for shoes during health committee meeting up at Shitmont, but the tr**p went on post a photo of his staunch brown brogues full of holes in bid to defend his actions. Maybe he should have shopped online for a toupee, judging by the big hole you can see through that ridiculous combover of his.
I’ve searched Friday’s paper and can’t find it. Any chance you could put it up here? 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: red hander on May 09, 2020, 03:25:12 PM
Honourable mention for all-round idiot Alex Easton, who the Irish News totally stitched up by printing a letter of his verbatim criticising Irish language funding that was so riddled with spelling and grammatical mistakes that it looked like the ramblings of two year old handling a biro for the first time. Not only filmed shopping online for shoes during health committee meeting up at Shitmont, but the tr**p went on post a photo of his staunch brown brogues full of holes in bid to defend his actions. Maybe he should have shopped online for a toupee, judging by the big hole you can see through that ridiculous combover of his.
I’ve searched Friday’s paper and can’t find it. Any chance you could put it up here?

Letter was few months back (sorry for confusion). Shoe shopping just latest gaffe by gobshite. Could have also mentioned his character reference for UDA sc**bag Dee Stitt. When that was reported by Sunday Life he made complaint to press regulator, who basically told him to f**k off and wise up.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 05:30:54 PM
Sammy doing the anti mask thing




This isn't entirely popular even with his own.
Mind you, the shop staff aren't exactly leading the way.

I'm intrigued by the place he was in The Rinkha in Islandmagee, obvious Gaelic name as it was a former dancehall, but I am wondered at this history of it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on August 01, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
Sammy doing the anti mask thing




This isn't entirely popular even with his own.
Mind you, the shop staff aren't exactly leading the way.

I'm intrigued by the place he was in The Rinkha in Islandmagee, obvious Gaelic name as it was a former dancehall, but I am wondered at this history of it.

http://www.therinkha.com/

Google is my friend.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 06:00:54 PM

http://www.therinkha.com/

Google is my friend.

 I read that but didn't seen any explanation of the name.

I also note that someone forgot to pay for islandmagee.com, we should club together and buy it and put a history there of why there no Magees there now.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: imtommygunn on August 01, 2020, 06:01:48 PM
Even pengelly tweeting against it. For a public figure you’d really think he would show some responsibility. An absolute moron.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 07:23:53 PM
Even pengelly tweeting against it. For a public figure you’d really think he would show some responsibility. An absolute moron.

In the DUP the Westminster MPs have largely been wasters, orchestrated by Dodds who is able but who is after his own ends, the most useful part of the DUP stay in the Assembly and hoped to become ministers. WIth Stormont suspended the Westminister wasters led the charge on Brexit, which was a disaster for the DUP. I see Dodds got his gong, along with that political giant Kate Hoey, he'll be happy now and will likely move to England like Trimble.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: imtommygunn on August 01, 2020, 07:55:12 PM
Peerage along with Johnston’s family and some family member of a kgb guy lol.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: johnnycool on August 03, 2020, 10:05:09 AM
Even pengelly tweeting against it. For a public figure you’d really think he would show some responsibility. An absolute moron.

He's getting a fair bit of grief for the state of his hands in the full picture.

He must have been changing the oil in his bike that morning by the looks of them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: RedHand88 on October 28, 2020, 08:31:44 AM
Sammy Wilson just claimed on good morning ulster that the spike in Derry/Strabane in early September was due to "some GAA celebrations."
He wasn't challenged on such a ridiculous false claim.


I despair at this hole.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Sammy Wilson just claimed on good morning ulster that the spike in Derry/Strabane in early September was due to "some GAA celebrations."
He wasn't challenged on such a ridiculous false claim.


I despair at this hole.

The same Sammy that wouldn't wear a mask on public transport? I wouldn't worry what he says
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: armaghniac on November 25, 2020, 03:17:04 PM
More evidence that Wilson is a female genital

https://twitter.com/eastantrimmp/status/1330870219972120576
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: RedHand88 on February 07, 2021, 11:34:02 AM
Perennial poll topper Gregory Campbells musings on the Songs of Praise final.


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: marty34 on February 07, 2021, 12:53:12 PM
Perennial poll topper Gregory Campbells musings on the Songs of Praise final.




A lot of heat coming on him now - good to see.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: grounded on February 07, 2021, 01:36:43 PM
Perennial poll topper Gregory Campbells musings on the Songs of Praise final.




Sadly, will probably get him a few extra votes from the DUP faithful. Very Christian of him.
     His views on the gay community are also depressingly similar.
     What another politician in England, scotland or wales get away with this?
      Well he's a w**ker and i know thats not very Christian of me but Fu#k it. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: general_lee on February 07, 2021, 02:07:20 PM
Who’d have thought it... can only hope the British media get wind of it and kick up a stink
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: An Watcher on February 07, 2021, 02:45:15 PM
Is it some sort of deflection tactic? Maybe I'm reading into it too much but can never trust them
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: imtommygunn on February 07, 2021, 07:09:31 PM
I would not be surprised.

I would love to see good investigation into Larne council shutting the customs there. It is beginning to look like they are telling porkies.

They are at their work at the minute and someone will end up seriously hurt or worse and they will as usual wash their hands of it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: general_lee on February 07, 2021, 07:17:51 PM
I would not be surprised.

I would love to see good investigation into Larne council shutting the customs there. It is beginning to look like they are telling porkies.

They are at their work at the minute and someone will end up seriously hurt or worse and they will as usual wash their hands of it.
Someone already ended up hurt driving a lorry outside larne. I firmly believe that was the work of DUP-inspired loyalists
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: imtommygunn on February 07, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
Sadly you are probably not wrong.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: marty34 on February 07, 2021, 07:52:28 PM
I would not be surprised.

I would love to see good investigation into Larne council shutting the customs there. It is beginning to look like they are telling porkies.

They are at their work at the minute and someone will end up seriously hurt or worse and they will as usual wash their hands of it.
Someone already ended up hurt driving a lorry outside larne. I firmly believe that was the work of DUP-inspired loyalists

With hindsight, seems to have been alright.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: imtommygunn on February 08, 2021, 09:43:00 AM
Gregory Campbell is making a statement later on about his controversial tweet(or facebook message or whatever it was).

This should be good...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 08, 2021, 10:34:56 AM
Gregory Campbell is making a statement later on about his controversial tweet(or facebook message or whatever it was).

This should be good...

Apologising for not wearing his klan robe while making that last statement.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 10:58:37 AM
" I was quoted out of context. I clearly said black haired people"
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: seafoid on February 08, 2021, 11:00:47 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/06/ireland-conservatives-dup-union-brexit
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: grounded on February 08, 2021, 04:46:38 PM
Gregory Campbell is making a statement later on about his controversial tweet(or facebook message or whatever it was).

This should be good...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55985100

Good old Gregory. Twat
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: tbrick18 on February 08, 2021, 04:53:11 PM
Gregory Campbell is making a statement later on about his controversial tweet(or facebook message or whatever it was).

This should be good...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55985100

Good old Gregory. Twat

He's one of the worst out there.
A total bigot and racist yet many thousands vote for him and no doubt his party will not condemn him for the comments.
Sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: GJL on February 08, 2021, 05:07:55 PM
They are down in the polls. The knuckle dragging, right winged idiots that usually vote for him will love this.

It is disgusting but also depressingly effective.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: general_lee on February 08, 2021, 07:24:58 PM
Is anyone really surprised? Gregory Campbell is just representing the views widely held within loyalism. In any normal society he’d not only be forced to apologise but also resign. Only a warped racist would be triggered enough to go on social media and complain about the colour of the skin of people featured in a tv programme.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: seafoid on February 08, 2021, 08:07:10 PM
They are down in the polls. The knuckle dragging, right winged idiots that usually vote for him will love this.

It is disgusting but also depressingly effective.
They'll stay down in the polls. Brexit was a massive mistake.
Driving down voters' cost of living is political poison.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: Franko on February 08, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
I think you are right on this one seafoid.

I think they have finally fcuked themselves.

It's alright creaming a few quid here and there from the state coffers... but once you try to hit Billy from Ballymena in his own pocket he starts looking at things a little differently
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: lenny on February 08, 2021, 08:18:07 PM
They are down in the polls. The knuckle dragging, right winged idiots that usually vote for him will love this.

It is disgusting but also depressingly effective.
They'll stay down in the polls. Brexit was a massive mistake.
Driving down voters' cost of living is political poison.

Their racism and homophobia has seen them haemorrhage votes to the alliance party. The problem for them is that they are now also losing votes to the tuv because of brexit. They can’t get back both these set of voters and they have chosen to go after the tuv votes. That means increasing their racism, sectarianism and homophobia.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: StPatsAbu on February 08, 2021, 08:21:00 PM
Gregory knows how to keep the far right/sectarian/racist boiler stoked. Tweets about surviving hunger-strikers 'not being very good at it', or jokes about the Gibraltar 3 have kept him in the news and appeal to his bottom-feeding electorate
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: 6th sam on February 08, 2021, 08:37:11 PM
Is anyone really surprised? Gregory Campbell is just representing the views widely held within loyalism. In any normal society he’d not only be forced to apologise but also resign. Only a warped racist would be triggered enough to go on social media and complain about the colour of the skin of people featured in a tv programme.

Gregory excuse is that he wants diversity😜 Has he commented on the under-representation of blacks, Asians, or women in his local lodge.

Much like most folk singers here are white Irish, Gospel singing is most popular in the black community, in fact black gospel is easily the most vibrant form of gospel music. And guess what , the best judges, presenters and singers are far more likely to come from the black community. Did he comment about how few blacks compete or judge in the Derry feis? Of course not.

Some of our 26 county posters, can’t understand why so many Northerners are so passionate about a United Ireland....it’s because this statelet was founded on sectarianism, and not only tolerated but fostered bigotry of all kinds. The likes of Gregory Campbell is tolerated and actually thrives here. I’ve lived all my life listening to the likes of Campbell , Paisley, Mccaulsland , Wilson coming out with outrageous dinosaur statements: unscientific, racist, sectarian, you name it. Not only do they get away with it, they usually go unchallenged by the media or even good people in their own community . Bizarre place we live in.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: pbat on February 08, 2021, 09:04:31 PM
They are down in the polls. The knuckle dragging, right winged idiots that usually vote for him will love this.

It is disgusting but also depressingly effective.
They'll stay down in the polls. Brexit was a massive mistake.
Driving down voters' cost of living is political poison.
And the reality is that come a border poll its the ones they are losing to the Alliance will hold the balance of power, yet there still too shortsighted to see 5 years down the line. And Submarine Steve is as bad. There will be pacts all over the place come next election and they will rally the troops with the we cant let SF be first minister.

The likes some Simon Hamilton and Tim Cairns were probably to progressive for the DUP's and they have nobody younger coming through to take the reins.

Their racism and homophobia has seen them haemorrhage votes to the alliance party. The problem for them is that they are now also losing votes to the tuv because of brexit. They can’t get back both these set of voters and they have chosen to go after the tuv votes. That means increasing their racism, sectarianism and homophobia.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: imtommygunn on February 08, 2021, 09:09:09 PM
Hamilton I think was kicked out from what I am led to believe. Not sure who cairns is.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: pbat on February 08, 2021, 09:12:25 PM
Cairns was a Spad, does a lot of media work now, on Talkback regularly. He seems clued in and a lot more progressive.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: restorepride on February 08, 2021, 11:39:59 PM
A true story. 

Constituents of Nelson ripped down recently-erected street signs. 

The signs were found lying in local gardens. 

Residents had taken exception to the language on the signs - Irish - so had taken the politically correct action;  only to find out the next day that the signs were in Ulster-Scots!!!

Ulster Songs of Praise: "Black is the colour ..... of my true love's beard ......"!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on February 08, 2021, 11:43:51 PM
A true story. 

Constituents of Nelson ripped down recently-erected street signs. 

The signs were found lying in local gardens. 

Residents had taken exception to the language on the signs - Irish - so had taken the politically correct action;  only to find out the next day that the signs were in Ulster-Scots!!!

Ulster Songs of Praise: "Black is the colour ..... of my true love's beard ......"!

Or my true love's heart.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 09, 2021, 11:14:34 AM
Let's hope John O'Dowd keeps the pressure on the DUP and gets an investigation into what went on in regards to the 'non' threats against the workers at the ports.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Not corrupt, just incompetent. Allegedly.
Post by: johnnycool on February 09, 2021, 11:48:20 AM
Hamilton I think was kicked out from what I am led to believe. Not sure who cairns is.

Allegedly for having an affair with a catholic. Ordinary affairs are OK though.


As for Gregory, Is he saying he's not a racist because he supported some Notts Forest football in not taking the knee at the start of a game and this player is black......

A bit of a stretch even for Gregory.

He and the DUP will ride this one out yet again



Let's hope John O'Dowd keeps the pressure on the DUP and gets an investigation into what went on in regards to the 'non' threats against the workers at the ports.

Yes, Poots and MEA Council are being exposed on this one and the truth needs to come out. I also see the PSNI for some strange reason have arrested two people for graffiti for once in their history.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 09, 2021, 11:57:48 AM
To take the bad look of the ormeau road debacle likely lol.

I really hope the DUP get squeezed on the port stuff. The Campbell thing will be swept under the carpet as ever.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on February 09, 2021, 12:12:23 PM
It is quite clear that Forster has no control over Lockhart, Wilson, Paisley or Campbell. Given the nature of their constituencies they would be re-elected as independents if ousted from the DUP, for a start the local party would not stand anyone against them as they reflect their views. Therefore she can do little when they spout controversial vitriol. As for Campbell, how no one mentioned the Curry My Yoghurt instance as further proof of his racist outlook. Making fun of any language whether foreign or native is itself racist.
The Alliance are mopping up middle ground unionists whilst at the other end The TUV are mopping up the super Brits. As for the UUP they are floundering trying to be DUP lite.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 09, 2021, 12:34:45 PM
The UUP are really doing themselves no favours at all.

Tbh if Campbell were to go it would say sectarianism is ok but racism is a step too far. While racism is deplorable it is equally as deplorable as sectarianism and no more or no less.

Any which way I don't think anything will happen to him.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 09, 2021, 12:43:06 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: seafoid on February 09, 2021, 12:49:06 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Would Shinner voters support the UUP ?

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on February 09, 2021, 12:53:25 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Would Shinner voters suppiort the UUP ?

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/

Honestly the vast majority couldn't. After all, they were the ones in charge for 5 decades of the unionist state. But I understand where you are coming from.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 09, 2021, 12:59:19 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

SDLP only interested in pacts at last years WM election.

Previous to that, they rejected it.

Elections a year away which is probably good for the DUP but there'll be plenty of twists and turns before that I'd say.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 09, 2021, 01:01:31 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2021, 01:32:28 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

SDLP are quasi unionists.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Would Shinner voters support the UUP ?

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/

Extremely unlikely.

What is noticeable is the significant swathes of SDLP votes that will transfer to the UUP when they are eliminated or there is surplus.

I think that tells you everything you need to know about the SDLP.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Orior on February 09, 2021, 02:07:11 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats

What if it was kept secret until 1 second before nominations were submitted?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 09, 2021, 02:14:35 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats

What if it was kept secret until 1 second before nominations were submitted?

Would be some craic
Defo worth it to see the unionist outrage
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: seafoid on February 09, 2021, 02:39:52 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2021, 02:52:27 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 09, 2021, 03:17:51 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.

Where are you getting those figures from. They will transfer to sf and alliance before they get anywhere near he UUP
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on February 09, 2021, 03:22:26 PM
Aim would be to turn East Belfast back to Alliance.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 09, 2021, 03:47:07 PM
I’d vote alliance if sf/sdlp stood aside. I know it’s a far shout but I’d love to see the DUP obliterated
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Feckitt on February 09, 2021, 04:20:21 PM

[/quote]

There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.
[/quote]

This is bullshit on a number of fronts.  Whether you like them or not it is stupid to pretend that SDLP are not a Nationalist Party.  Also to claim they stopped being one a long time ago ignores the fact that the leadership has taken a much more pro -unity stance since Eastwood took over as leader.

Also the claim that they transfer more to the UUP than SF is an out an out lie which doesn't even have a shred of credibility
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2021, 04:27:16 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.

Where are you getting those figures from. They will transfer to sf and alliance before they get anywhere near he UUP

Page 6.

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/publications/2017-2022/2017/general/2317.pdf

15.4% of SDLP transfers to SF
23.5% of SDLP transfers to UUP
4.4% of SDLP transfers to DUP

41.1% of SF transfers to SDLP
0.7% of SF transfers to UUP
0.4% of SF transfers to DUP


So effectively 27.9% of SDLP transfer their first vote to one of the two main stream unionist party (>1 in 4).
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2021, 04:28:26 PM


There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.
[/quote]

This is bullshit on a number of fronts.  Whether you like them or not it is stupid to pretend that SDLP are not a Nationalist Party.  Also to claim they stopped being one a long time ago ignores the fact that the leadership has taken a much more pro -unity stance since Eastwood took over as leader.

Also the claim that they transfer more to the UUP than SF is an out an out lie which doesn't even have a shred of credibility
[/quote]

See post above.

It is an absolute fact.

So apologise to me this instant.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on February 09, 2021, 04:28:51 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

Lagan Valley will be interesting next time around. Eastwood for Alliance gave that a serious run. If she runs again and can turn enough DUP and UUP voter over to her there's an outside shock on the cards. It's also a constituency with a lot of new houses and they'll have that moderate young protestant professional in them AKA Alliance voters. One thing though is that Jeffrey is actually one of the more moderate DUPers and it was interesting he was rolled out when they softened their anti lockdown stance. He'd be closer to Alliance and the centre than many others in the party. Really interesting one for me. I'd imagine he will run but if for some reason he doesn't expect that seat to flip.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 09, 2021, 04:38:04 PM
Jeffrey is always trundled out on the RTÉ news to sound reasonable and moderate following  DUPUDA outbursts to their extreme wing in the North.
When are the next Assembly Elections?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Orior on February 09, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

Lagan Valley will be interesting next time around. Eastwood for Alliance gave that a serious run. If she runs again and can turn enough DUP and UUP voter over to her there's an outside shock on the cards. It's also a constituency with a lot of new houses and they'll have that moderate young protestant professional in them AKA Alliance voters. One thing though is that Jeffrey is actually one of the more moderate DUPers and it was interesting he was rolled out when they softened their anti lockdown stance. He'd be closer to Alliance and the centre than many others in the party. Really interesting one for me. I'd imagine he will run but if for some reason he doesn't expect that seat to flip.

Yes, even if Jeffrey is an uphill gardener the god squad will still vote for him.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on February 09, 2021, 04:44:04 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.

Where are you getting those figures from. They will transfer to sf and alliance before they get anywhere near he UUP

Page 6.

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/publications/2017-2022/2017/general/2317.pdf

15.4% of SDLP transfers to SF
23.5% of SDLP transfers to UUP
4.4% of SDLP transfers to DUP

41.1% of SF transfers to SDLP
0.7% of SF transfers to UUP
0.4% of SF transfers to DUP


So effectively 27.9% of SDLP transfer their first vote to one of the two main stream unionist party (>1 in 4).

LOL You've completely read the graph wrong. You're stupid. if you even read the 1st page it tells you.

Most of Sinn Féin’s transfers came from the SDLP (41%), other Sinn Féin
candidates (25%), Alliance (7%) and People Before Profit Alliance (6%).

Most of the SDLP’s transfers came from the UUP (24%), Sinn Féin (15%) and
the Alliance Party (11%). Only 2% came from other SDLP candidates.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2021, 04:53:57 PM
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 09, 2021, 07:10:02 PM
What is your opinion of a border poll in 2028, the 30th anniversary of the GFA?

Over 7 years away - is that in the correct timeframe?

This is Bertie's idea by the way.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 09, 2021, 08:42:33 PM
Trailer and feckitt should be due a few apologies this instant  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: dec on February 09, 2021, 09:09:19 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.

Where are you getting those figures from. They will transfer to sf and alliance before they get anywhere near he UUP

Page 6.

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/publications/2017-2022/2017/general/2317.pdf

15.4% of SDLP transfers to SF
23.5% of SDLP transfers to UUP
4.4% of SDLP transfers to DUP

41.1% of SF transfers to SDLP
0.7% of SF transfers to UUP
0.4% of SF transfers to DUP


So effectively 27.9% of SDLP transfer their first vote to one of the two main stream unionist party (>1 in 4).


It's clear that you don't understand the difference between To and From

-- edited Didn't see that you had already been corrected
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2021, 10:02:25 PM
Are there many marginal constituencies  for SF/SDLP to enter pacts and oust these bigots?

Upper Bann possibly East derry but any sniff of a nationalist pact would soon be challenged with a Unionist pact so Unionism would comfortably hold the seats
East Derry had a very low UUP plus Alliance  vote in 2019

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/ael.htm

Lagan Valley

https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/alv.htm

or South Antrim
https://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/asa.htm

 might be more fruitful

There's not really any difference between SDLP and Alliance though. That's just a fact of the matter, the SDLP stopped being a nationalist party a long time ago, if they were ever one in the first place.

The fact that the SDLP transfer more heavily to the UUP than they do to SF tells you all you need to know about their political outlook.

Where are you getting those figures from. They will transfer to sf and alliance before they get anywhere near he UUP

Page 6.

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/publications/2017-2022/2017/general/2317.pdf

15.4% of SDLP transfers to SF
23.5% of SDLP transfers to UUP
4.4% of SDLP transfers to DUP

41.1% of SF transfers to SDLP
0.7% of SF transfers to UUP
0.4% of SF transfers to DUP


So effectively 27.9% of SDLP transfer their first vote to one of the two main stream unionist party (>1 in 4).


It's clear that you don't understand the difference between To and From

-- edited Didn't see that you had already been corrected

I do.

The axis on the graph was not clearly defined. It was understandable that I asserted the SDLP would transfer heavily to unionism.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on February 09, 2021, 10:11:13 PM
Trailer and feckitt should be due a few apologies this instant  ;D ;D ;D

FACT!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on February 10, 2021, 07:53:22 AM
Had a bit of a nightmare there Angelo. It's pretty clear the y axis is TO and the x axis from FROM.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 10, 2021, 08:06:45 AM
Will the TUV make much of an impact next time out?

They still seem to be a one-man band.  I don't think I've ever heard anyone else from the TUV on the airwaves.

Wouldn't it be ironic if a few DUP 'transferred' to the TUV?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 10, 2021, 08:29:03 AM
Jim is some craic. So if you don't like the result of Brexit you need to suck it up but if you don't like the NI protocol then the answer is that the councils should remove the staff. (Which tbh seems to be in effect what the DUP tried to do anyway). Any hypocrisy in there Jim lol.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on February 10, 2021, 09:14:39 AM
Jim is some craic. So if you don't like the result of Brexit you need to suck it up but if you don't like the NI protocol then the answer is that the councils should remove the staff. (Which tbh seems to be in effect what the DUP tried to do anyway). Any hypocrisy in there Jim lol.

Aye and all of a sudden this cross community consensus is a thing. Wasn't much of a thing when over half NI voted to stay in the EU and the DUP pushed for the hardest Brexit on offer and ended up with the protocol in place.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2021, 09:18:27 AM
Had a bit of a nightmare there Angelo. It's pretty clear the y axis is TO and the x axis from FROM.

It's not pretty clear at all.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 10, 2021, 09:25:09 AM
Jim is some craic. So if you don't like the result of Brexit you need to suck it up but if you don't like the NI protocol then the answer is that the councils should remove the staff. (Which tbh seems to be in effect what the DUP tried to do anyway). Any hypocrisy in there Jim lol.

Aye and all of a sudden this cross community consensus is a thing. Wasn't much of a thing when over half NI voted to stay in the EU and the DUP pushed for the hardest Brexit on offer and ended up with the protocol in place.

The hypocrisy of the "extreme" unionists seems to know no bounds. (I hate the term PUL - these people don't represent all protestants or all unionists though possibly all loyalists. It just lumps everyone into one.).
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 10, 2021, 09:36:08 AM
f**k the lot of them. They were more than happy to have a hard border on this island (and are still calling for one) and didn’t give a f**k about businesses so long as they “reclaimed” their sovereignty and regained “control” of their borders. They didn’t give one f**k about how businesses would have to adapt or change or even struggle. They didn’t care about the GFA, in fact they all f**king opposed it, yet are now using it as an excuse to revoke the protocol!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 10, 2021, 09:59:55 AM
You couldn't make it up. I do think they are finally being called out as not giving one f**k about the economy mind you. Milk the economy with RHI, expenses, Red Sky etc etc and then call out that they care about the economy lol. Yeah sure...

I don't think they care one jot about peace either.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 10, 2021, 10:08:08 AM
More lorries attacked. More loyalist posters going up. After last week in east Belfast and the pathetic arrest on Ormeau the PSNI need to send a strong message that are serious about tackling these loyalist thugs
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on February 10, 2021, 10:33:28 AM
Had a bit of a nightmare there Angelo. It's pretty clear the y axis is TO and the x axis from FROM.

It's not pretty clear at all.

Maybe. But I don't know how they could have made it any clearer other than to explain it in plain English on the first page under a heading "Key Points". As the saying goes you can't teach stupid.

Begs the question if you're so wrong about this, then what else are you wrong about?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: BennyCake on February 10, 2021, 10:43:44 AM
Jim is some craic. So if you don't like the result of Brexit you need to suck it up but if you don't like the NI protocol then the answer is that the councils should remove the staff. (Which tbh seems to be in effect what the DUP tried to do anyway). Any hypocrisy in there Jim lol.

Aye and all of a sudden this cross community consensus is a thing. Wasn't much of a thing when over half NI voted to stay in the EU and the DUP pushed for the hardest Brexit on offer and ended up with the protocol in place.

That’s irrelevant. It was the UK total vote that counted.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2021, 10:58:28 AM
Had a bit of a nightmare there Angelo. It's pretty clear the y axis is TO and the x axis from FROM.

It's not pretty clear at all.

Maybe. But I don't know how they could have made it any clearer other than to explain it in plain English on the first page under a heading "Key Points". As the saying goes you can't teach stupid.

Begs the question if you're so wrong about this, then what else are you wrong about?

I'm always open to having my views challenged. The problem is people struggle to better me.

The fact that 10% of UUP transfers came from the SDLP is also still chilling.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JimStynes on February 10, 2021, 11:29:50 AM
Had a bit of a nightmare there Angelo. It's pretty clear the y axis is TO and the x axis from FROM.

It's not pretty clear at all.

Maybe. But I don't know how they could have made it any clearer other than to explain it in plain English on the first page under a heading "Key Points". As the saying goes you can't teach stupid.

Begs the question if you're so wrong about this, then what else are you wrong about?

I'm always open to having my views challenged. The problem is people struggle to better me.

The fact that 10% of UUP transfers came from the SDLP is also still chilling.

Ffs you’re not wise.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 10, 2021, 12:52:24 PM
More lorries attacked. More loyalist posters going up. After last week in east Belfast and the pathetic arrest on Ormeau the PSNI need to send a strong message that are serious about tackling these loyalist thugs

Was there more lorries attacked?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on February 10, 2021, 01:03:59 PM
Saw a fella taking down one of those "no Irish sea border" stickers in Stranmillis the other day.  I thought,  good for you sir.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 10, 2021, 01:15:10 PM
More lorries attacked. More loyalist posters going up. After last week in east Belfast and the pathetic arrest on Ormeau the PSNI need to send a strong message that are serious about tackling these loyalist thugs

Was there more lorries attacked?
Yes reports that loyalists have attacked lorries at M1 junction 11 Portadown. Two individuals in high vis dropping sandbags. Morgan McLernon lorry targeted
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on February 10, 2021, 01:36:24 PM
Jim is some craic. So if you don't like the result of Brexit you need to suck it up but if you don't like the NI protocol then the answer is that the councils should remove the staff. (Which tbh seems to be in effect what the DUP tried to do anyway). Any hypocrisy in there Jim lol.

Aye and all of a sudden this cross community consensus is a thing. Wasn't much of a thing when over half NI voted to stay in the EU and the DUP pushed for the hardest Brexit on offer and ended up with the protocol in place.

That’s irrelevant. It was the UK total vote that counted.

I get that and that's the DUP's party line on that as well but when the Brexit deal and the NI protocol were passed by a "stonking" majority in the HOC you then can't start to gurn about cross community consensus here in NI for something you initially said was OK then decided it was the worse thing ever even when local businesses are saying they're coming to terms with it.

The DUP dressed this up as an economic issue when all along it was the constitutional issue that was buggering them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 10, 2021, 02:25:40 PM
More lorries attacked. More loyalist posters going up. After last week in east Belfast and the pathetic arrest on Ormeau the PSNI need to send a strong message that are serious about tackling these loyalist thugs

Was there more lorries attacked?
Yes reports that loyalists have attacked lorries at M1 junction 11 Portadown. Two individuals in high vis dropping sandbags. Morgan McLernon lorry targeted

Scumbags - are they clueless?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 10, 2021, 02:30:36 PM
Jim is some craic. So if you don't like the result of Brexit you need to suck it up but if you don't like the NI protocol then the answer is that the councils should remove the staff. (Which tbh seems to be in effect what the DUP tried to do anyway). Any hypocrisy in there Jim lol.

Aye and all of a sudden this cross community consensus is a thing. Wasn't much of a thing when over half NI voted to stay in the EU and the DUP pushed for the hardest Brexit on offer and ended up with the protocol in place.

That’s irrelevant. It was the UK total vote that counted.

I get that and that's the DUP's party line on that as well but when the Brexit deal and the NI protocol were passed by a "stonking" majority in the HOC you then can't start to gurn about cross community consensus here in NI for something you initially said was OK then decided it was the worse thing ever even when local businesses are saying they're coming to terms with it.

The DUP dressed this up as an economic issue when all along it was the constitutional issue that was buggering them.

Totally correct, this is what it was always about.  Foster said as much last week on The View...when pressed on it.

They couldn't give a toss about the economy - always about the flag waving etc.

Seems this past while that things are getting better for businesses  and industry etc. according to reports.  Some companies doing better because of it.

We should be hearing more from them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on February 10, 2021, 02:56:33 PM
Jim is some craic. So if you don't like the result of Brexit you need to suck it up but if you don't like the NI protocol then the answer is that the councils should remove the staff. (Which tbh seems to be in effect what the DUP tried to do anyway). Any hypocrisy in there Jim lol.

Aye and all of a sudden this cross community consensus is a thing. Wasn't much of a thing when over half NI voted to stay in the EU and the DUP pushed for the hardest Brexit on offer and ended up with the protocol in place.

That’s irrelevant. It was the UK total vote that counted.

I get that and that's the DUP's party line on that as well but when the Brexit deal and the NI protocol were passed by a "stonking" majority in the HOC you then can't start to gurn about cross community consensus here in NI for something you initially said was OK then decided it was the worse thing ever even when local businesses are saying they're coming to terms with it.

The DUP dressed this up as an economic issue when all along it was the constitutional issue that was buggering them.

Totally correct, this is what it was always about.  Foster said as much last week on The View...when pressed on it.

They couldn't give a toss about the economy - always about the flag waving etc.

Seems this past while that things are getting better for businesses  and industry etc. according to reports. Some companies doing better because of it.

We should be hearing more from them.

Matthew O'Toole asking the DAERA stand in DUPer Minister what actions his department had taken to make the most of NI's ability to keep shipping seafood, lamb, cheese etc etc into the European market when the Scots and Welsh couldn't and all he got was bluster over issues getting goods from GB...

And they say the Shinners don't want NI to work.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on February 10, 2021, 04:41:18 PM
Matthew O'Toole asking the DAERA stand in DUPer Minister what actions his department had taken to make the most of NI's ability to keep shipping seafood, lamb, cheese etc etc into the European market when the Scots and Welsh couldn't and all he got was bluster over issues getting goods from GB...

And they say the Shinners don't want NI to work.

You have a Minister of Agriculture whose main concern is that shops be able to avoid local producers and ship in all their stuff from Britain. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 10, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
Logic and DUPUDA don't go together.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on February 10, 2021, 06:17:51 PM
Pat Catney MLA
@PatCatney
All picture, no sound for the DUP MLAs who are staging a ‘zoom-out’ of today’s TEO meeting.

How daft are they? Sitting watching the meeting so they know when to come back in as soon as southern TDs have left? Catch yourselves on


Above just shows what your dealing with.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 10, 2021, 07:18:30 PM
Let them tear away. Won’t make any difference. They made their bed, they can now lie in it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on February 10, 2021, 08:00:12 PM
Tony Connolly has just put a tread up outlining Maros Sefcovic's response to Michael Gove demands on the Protocol. Basically tells him to get stuffed. Will really drive the Dups nuts now. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on February 10, 2021, 08:02:57 PM
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/letter_from_vp_sefcovic_to_cdl_rh_gove.pdf

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: BennyCake on February 10, 2021, 08:20:04 PM
Matthew O'Toole asking the DAERA stand in DUPer Minister what actions his department had taken to make the most of NI's ability to keep shipping seafood, lamb, cheese etc etc into the European market when the Scots and Welsh couldn't and all he got was bluster over issues getting goods from GB...

And they say the Shinners don't want NI to work.

You have a Minister of Agriculture whose main concern is that shops be able to avoid local producers and ship in all their stuff from Britain. You couldn't make it up.

I could never understand why such foods as certain fruit and veg is imported, while it can be easily grown here.

If there’s going to be problems importing certain things, they should put money and effort into getting growers here to produce them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 10, 2021, 09:51:27 PM
Matthew O'Toole asking the DAERA stand in DUPer Minister what actions his department had taken to make the most of NI's ability to keep shipping seafood, lamb, cheese etc etc into the European market when the Scots and Welsh couldn't and all he got was bluster over issues getting goods from GB...

And they say the Shinners don't want NI to work.

You have a Minister of Agriculture whose main concern is that shops be able to avoid local producers and ship in all their stuff from Britain. You couldn't make it up.

I could never understand why such foods as certain fruit and veg is imported, while it can be easily grown here.

If there’s going to be problems importing certain things, they should put money and effort into getting growers here to produce them.

Even beef etc.  Why is it shipped in and beef here is shipped out?

Is that not more costly or is there too much beef here and it has to be exported?

Lidl seem to, according to their ads, source a lot of their stuff in Ireland.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Walter Cronc on February 10, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
I dont think attacking lorries is related to this protocol? Surely not??

Was that poor fella from West Belfast not attacked by some random scumbags - as it could have been anyone/any vehicle?

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: GJL on February 10, 2021, 11:38:31 PM
I dont think attacking lorries is related to this protocol? Surely not??

Was that poor fella from West Belfast not attacked by some random scumbags - as it could have been anyone/any vehicle?

More to it than that I fear...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on February 11, 2021, 12:04:17 AM
I dont think attacking lorries is related to this protocol? Surely not??

Was that poor fella from West Belfast not attacked by some random scumbags - as it could have been anyone/any vehicle?

It is off course targeting Morgan and McLernon lorries near Portadown the other evening.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: NAG1 on February 11, 2021, 09:01:55 AM
I dont think attacking lorries is related to this protocol? Surely not??

Was that poor fella from West Belfast not attacked by some random scumbags - as it could have been anyone/any vehicle?

More to it than that I fear...

I've seen a lot of innuendo flying around about this incident, what is the story here?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2021, 09:51:44 AM
I dont think attacking lorries is related to this protocol? Surely not??

Was that poor fella from West Belfast not attacked by some random scumbags - as it could have been anyone/any vehicle?

More to it than that I fear...

I've seen a lot of innuendo flying around about this incident, what is the story here?

I'd be very concerned if this was the case, that someone was able to have information that the driver was a catholic and pick out his truck and carry that out.

I doubt very much that it is and Fra has been very unlucky to be the victim of trash little Larne rats who thought this would be 'some craic' to pile a load of bricks over a bridge, it has happened many times on the Westlink in Belfast..

These cases like the young lad Noah have gathered a lot of attention on social media and for me sometimes clouds the reality from what actually happened
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 11, 2021, 10:05:05 AM
What worries me is that surely surely someone saw something with regard to a bin full of rocks being wheeled to a bridge to do this. How can no one have seen it?

The Noah thing is bizarre. There definitely does look like there are things that the PSNI haven't been very professional with but like you say social media definitely clouding it too. It is definitely gaining some traction.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 11, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
Do the Cops not think the wheelie bin of bricks were driven to that spot as they couldnt have been wheeled to that particular spot? And again theres throwing a brick from a bridge and then theres emptying a wheelie bin of bricks from a bridge!?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 11, 2021, 10:31:25 AM
Wise up MR2 I can get the odd yahoo spontaneously throwing a rock off the westlink but someone in the middle of nowhere taking a wheelie bin full of bricks in the dead of night  and aiming it at a lorry requires a wee bit of planning. I don’t think it was intentionally a sectarian attack (although probably an added bonus). There are other reports of it happening as well!

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2021, 10:39:42 AM
Wise up MR2 I can get the odd yahoo spontaneously throwing a rock off the westlink but someone in the middle of nowhere taking a wheelie bin full of bricks in the dead of night  and aiming it at a lorry requires a wee bit of planning. I don’t think it was intentionally a sectarian attack (although probably an added bonus). There are other reports of it happening as well!



I'm not saying it wasn't planned, and there has been incidents like this before. I just said I doubt it was planned to attack a catholic or if it was part of the Sea border issues, as there is no reason/logic to damage trucks coming into NI, I could be completely wrong. 

I'm just saying it was unlucky for Fra to be caught with this, a really good GAA family from the West, and I wish him a speedy recover and no lasting damage, though he might lose the sight from his eye
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 11, 2021, 10:45:45 AM
There isn’t much logic/reason to loyalism in general but it doesn’t stop them. I think the idea behind it is as a form of “protest”
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Windmill abu on February 11, 2021, 11:57:40 AM
There isn’t much logic/reason to loyalism my signature in general but it doesn’t stop them me. I think the idea behind it is as a form of “protest” "Jealousy"

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on February 11, 2021, 01:13:57 PM
There isn’t much logic/reason to loyalism my signature in general but it doesn’t stop them me. I think the idea behind it is as a form of “protest” "Jealousy"

Fixed that for you.
Cheers 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tonto1888 on February 11, 2021, 01:26:35 PM
I dont think attacking lorries is related to this protocol? Surely not??

Was that poor fella from West Belfast not attacked by some random scumbags - as it could have been anyone/any vehicle?

It is off course targeting Morgan and McLernon lorries near Portadown the other evening.

Why would that be related to the protocol?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Feckitt on February 11, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: restorepride on February 11, 2021, 07:05:06 PM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.
We need to keep calling it what it is - racism. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: J70 on February 11, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.

When childish mispronunciations is all you have, your argument or position can't be very good.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: restorepride on February 11, 2021, 07:07:59 PM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.

When childish mispronunciations is all you have, your argument or position can't be very good.
We need to keep calling it what it is - racism.  Specifically, linguistic racism.  Gregory has a degree in it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Feckitt on February 11, 2021, 07:15:27 PM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.

When childish mispronunciations is all you have, your argument or position can't be very good.

Not sure what you mean? I'm simply pointing out that I find it hard to believe a senior MP cannot pronounce the name of three consecutive Taoisigh.  Therefore it's deliberately disrespectful and deserves to be called out.
Have you ever in your life heard anyone being unable to pronounce Boris Johnson,  Theresa May or David Cameron?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 11, 2021, 07:51:39 PM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.

When childish mispronunciations is all you have, your argument or position can't be very good.

Not sure what you mean? I'm simply pointing out that I find it hard to believe a senior MP cannot pronounce the name of three consecutive Taoisigh.  Therefore it's deliberately disrespectful and deserves to be called out.
Have you ever in your life heard anyone being unable to pronounce Boris Johnson,  Theresa May or David Cameron?

I think he's referring to Paisley's antics.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 11, 2021, 07:55:17 PM
I heard BBC radio this evening discussing the threats at the ports etc.  Seems very shady.

Donaghy, the CE of the council and the DUP councillor was asked to come on the show but a no show.  That tells you something.

I hope there's an investigation but who would do it?

Would it have to be a vote at council?
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Post by: imtommygunn on February 11, 2021, 08:02:52 PM
It really needs to be investigated.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Main Street on February 11, 2021, 08:06:56 PM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.

When childish mispronunciations is all you have, your argument or position can't be very good.

Not sure what you mean? I'm simply pointing out that I find it hard to believe a senior MP cannot pronounce the name of three consecutive Taoisigh.  Therefore it's deliberately disrespectful and deserves to be called out.
Have you ever in your life heard anyone being unable to pronounce Boris Johnson,  Theresa May or David Cameron?

I think he's referring to Paisley's antics.
He is referring to Paisley's antics, and that's coming from a county where they pronounce Bonner as Bone her
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sensethetone on February 12, 2021, 07:59:22 AM
Cuntwatch
Today on BBC Radio Ulster Ian Paisley Jnr despite being corrected refused to pronounce Micheal Martin's name correctly.  At every opportunity Unionist politicians gleefully mispronounce Varadkar, and before this it was common to hear Unionist politicians childishly refer to Edna Kenny.
Why why why can the presenters not grow a pair and tell them to f**k off.  Such infantile disrespect is hard to stomach.

Stephen Nolan insists on incorrectly pronouncing Maroš Šefčovič. Same sows pigs.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: NAG1 on February 12, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
I heard BBC radio this evening discussing the threats at the ports etc.  Seems very shady.

Donaghy, the CE of the council and the DUP councillor was asked to come on the show but a no show.  That tells you something.

I hope there's an investigation but who would do it?

Would it have to be a vote at council?

While they are at it they should investigate the councils links to the DUP especially the person you refer too. The whole council is rotten, yes it is a DUP controlled area, however the employed staff arent meant to ensure that equality is adhered too at every level and not to be swayed by any party of which ever shade.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 12, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
The whole thing smells of a DUPUDA plot with active support of the top Employee?
Is there any legislation which allows a Council to be abolished and put under some form of direct rule.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 12:41:01 PM
The whole thing smells of a DUPUDA plot with active support of the top Employee?
Is there any legislation which allows a Council to be abolished and put under some form of direct rule.

Once of the councillors said when she was pressed further i.e. the threats, he said she mentioned the UDA.

This is unreal.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: screenexile on February 12, 2021, 03:16:26 PM
It's just brazen at this stage. . . f**king Kate Hoey talking about how maybe the Brits didn't know what they were voting for when it came to the protocol and there is an article title from her back in 2016 saying that "Brexit won't hurt Northern Ireland at all". The level of gaslighting from her and the DUP is unbelievable were it not unfolding right in front of their faces right now.

I'm not sure exactly where it is all going to go but I can't see the UK or EU dropping the Protocol so it looks like Loyalist paramilitaries are going to get involved because they're struggling to get a few Amazon parcels through!! How much does the Irish Sea Border really affect the Loyalist community??

Brexit is a bollix but we have an agreed system now and I think these things will sort themselves out over time. My own Company trade from North and South and while it's been a massive headache it looks like it is starting to settle down and we've got the necessary processes in place to move forward.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on February 12, 2021, 04:02:04 PM
It's just brazen at this stage. . . f**king Kate Hoey talking about how maybe the Brits didn't know what they were voting for when it came to the protocol
Another referendum, anybody?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 12, 2021, 04:18:42 PM
It's just brazen at this stage. . . f**king Kate Hoey talking about how maybe the Brits didn't know what they were voting for when it came to the protocol and there is an article title from her back in 2016 saying that "Brexit won't hurt Northern Ireland at all". The level of gaslighting from her and the DUP is unbelievable were it not unfolding right in front of their faces right now.

I'm not sure exactly where it is all going to go but I can't see the UK or EU dropping the Protocol so it looks like Loyalist paramilitaries are going to get involved because they're struggling to get a few Amazon parcels through!! How much does the Irish Sea Border really affect the Loyalist community??

Brexit is a bollix but we have an agreed system now and I think these things will sort themselves out over time. My own Company trade from North and South and while it's been a massive headache it looks like it is starting to settle down and we've got the necessary processes in place to move forward.

Hoey is an absolute muppet. Sure did Gove and teh EU not come out more or less backing it now? I suspect it's here to stay. Boris doesn't care about us here anyway so a bit of stirring won't cut it with him.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 06:27:34 PM
It's just brazen at this stage. . . f**king Kate Hoey talking about how maybe the Brits didn't know what they were voting for when it came to the protocol and there is an article title from her back in 2016 saying that "Brexit won't hurt Northern Ireland at all". The level of gaslighting from her and the DUP is unbelievable were it not unfolding right in front of their faces right now.

I'm not sure exactly where it is all going to go but I can't see the UK or EU dropping the Protocol so it looks like Loyalist paramilitaries are going to get involved because they're struggling to get a few Amazon parcels through!! How much does the Irish Sea Border really affect the Loyalist community??

Brexit is a bollix but we have an agreed system now and I think these things will sort themselves out over time. My own Company trade from North and South and while it's been a massive headache it looks like it is starting to settle down and we've got the necessary processes in place to move forward.

Hoey is an absolute muppet. Sure did Gove and teh EU not come out more or less backing it now? I suspect it's here to stay. Boris doesn't care about us here anyway so a bit of stirring won't cut it with him.

Arlene on BBC saying Brussels, London and Dublin  must acknowledge the damage done by the protocol.

Wtf?

Blaming everybody else - even London.  They have made some mess of this. 

Does she really think that the 3 mentioned above give a f:%k about 600 k muppets in the north of Ireland, after 4 years of wrangling?

Do unionists really think it's going to be scrapped? If not, what's their Plan B - flags and banners etc?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on February 12, 2021, 11:11:42 PM

Arlene on BBC saying Brussels, London and Dublin  must acknowledge the damage done by the protocol.

Wtf?

Blaming everybody else - even London.  They have made some mess of this. 

Does she really think that the 3 mentioned above give a f:%k about 600 k muppets in the north of Ireland, after 4 years of wrangling?

Do unionists really think it's going to be scrapped? If not, what's their Plan B - flags and banners etc?

Plan B is rouse the rabble and some poor innocent by stander gets badly hurt or worse.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 11:16:31 PM

Arlene on BBC saying Brussels, London and Dublin  must acknowledge the damage done by the protocol.

Wtf?

Blaming everybody else - even London.  They have made some mess of this. 

Does she really think that the 3 mentioned above give a f:%k about 600 k muppets in the north of Ireland, after 4 years of wrangling?

Do unionists really think it's going to be scrapped? If not, what's their Plan B - flags and banners etc?

Plan B is rouse the rabble and some poor innocent by stander gets badly hurt or worse.
Exactly.  However, will not really work 50 years on.   They may have control of Larne but very little else, really. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 13, 2021, 10:02:32 PM
Speculation of them collapsing stormont.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
Speculation of them collapsing stormont.

Brilliant and Westminster should stop wages right away
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on February 13, 2021, 11:08:50 PM
Speculation of them collapsing stormont.

I hope they do. All the crap they spewed in 2017 about SF abandoning the people should be flung back at them in bucketloads.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: screenexile on February 14, 2021, 12:09:29 AM
Boris’ f**king burrow Jesus Christ!!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sensethetone on February 14, 2021, 08:55:10 AM
Thought there were to new measures to be put in place to stop Stormount getting took down again?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on February 14, 2021, 08:58:58 AM
Boris’ f**king burrow Jesus Christ!!

Savage trolling that

The Tories don't need the 6co's any more, they can win elections in England alone due to the SNP stranglehold in Scotland

Also the changing demographic in the 6co is a ball ache for them, the road to de-coupling is well underway, the unionist loyalist ideology on its last legs and smelling of  piss
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on February 14, 2021, 12:01:29 PM
How does the tunnel help with customs difficulties? Surely there will still be checks at either end of it? Has nobody pointed this out to them??
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 14, 2021, 12:19:42 PM
That also really confuses me. Do borders not count if they are underground lol.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 12:20:36 PM
How does the tunnel help with customs difficulties? Surely there will still be checks at either end of it? Has nobody pointed this out to them??

Never going to be a tunnel as economically it makes no sense! We’d need to be mining gold or pumping oil for a tunnel to be constructed
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 14, 2021, 12:23:19 PM
Is the bridge to Scotland off the agenda? ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 12:30:14 PM
Is the bridge to Scotland off the agenda? ;D

Would be closed 4 months of the year!!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on February 14, 2021, 12:31:02 PM
Is the bridge to Scotland off the agenda? ;D

Fuckin hell, even the most dim wittest Duper won't fall for this tunnel bullshit from the Tories
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 14, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
I’m sure sammy might fall for it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 14, 2021, 12:41:15 PM
Probably tryi g to keep the DUPers quiet for a few weeks.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on February 14, 2021, 12:43:40 PM
Its complete nonsense. But playing along did I not read previous that one of the engineering reasons that the bridge wouldn't be feasible is because the Irish Sea between here and Scotland is so deep that after the war the Brits dumped tons on munitions in it. So they going to bore under that, good luck with that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: BennyCake on February 14, 2021, 12:44:06 PM
This promise of a bridge by the Tories to unionists. Reminds me a bit like what a husband would say to the wife

“What? Eh? Yeah yeah, of course I love you”.

The only difference being the Unionists believe the Tories are sincere. The wife doesn’t.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: 6th sam on February 14, 2021, 01:24:57 PM
Dover to Calais tunnel was an enormous task between two well serviced ports between two of the largest economies in the world, and it’s UK’s gateway to Europe . It didn’t have the Specific construction challenges such as the dyke, munitions and weather. Not even Boris, a narcissist with an elevated view of his own importance could come up with it as a vanity project , it’s so unrealistic . He clearly is just using it to bluff unionists that he cares. If you had a choice between strengthening the link with DUP types at a cost of billions, or offloading them , what do you think Boris would choose ?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Orior on February 14, 2021, 01:35:56 PM
Dover to Calais tunnel was an enormous task between two well serviced ports between two of the largest economies in the world, and a UK’s gateway to Europe . Specific construction challenges such as the dyke, munitions and weather. Not even Boris, a narcissist with an elevated view of his own importance could come up with it as a vanity project , it’s so unrealistic . He clearly is just using it to bluff unionists that he cares. If you had a choice between strengthening the link with DUP types at a cost of billions, or offloading them , what do you think Boris would choose ?

Plus, two different guages.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 14, 2021, 01:53:30 PM
The DUPUDA will be apoplectic if they hear that they use Irish guage railways in the 6 Cos.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 14, 2021, 03:26:56 PM
Must be 1st April already
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/boris-burrow-tunnel-to-northern-ireland-expected-to-get-green-light-40089038.html

And is renegade Scotsman Gove now saying the EU will have to operate a border between the 6 and 26?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: marty34 on February 14, 2021, 03:38:48 PM
Must be 1st April already
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/boris-burrow-tunnel-to-northern-ireland-expected-to-get-green-light-40089038.html

And is renegade Scotsman Gove now saying the EU will have to operate a border between the 6 and 26?

How will that work?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 14, 2021, 03:41:32 PM
There sounds to be some legs on this but I would still be surprised if it’s not some kind of Tory con. It has to be. It doesn’t make any sense lol. About to be hit by a crunching recession so spend a fortune on something that will never recoup your outlay. Unless it’s like Donald getting mexico to pay for the wall lol.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 04:00:59 PM
Will spend millions on plans and exploring its viability and by that time you’ll have a border poll
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Mayo Border on February 14, 2021, 06:00:40 PM
Let BAM Contractors have a go at pricing the job. They usually submit a low quote
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:22:27 PM
Let BAM Contractors have a go at pricing the job. They usually submit a low quote
You're digging a hole for yourself there!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 22, 2021, 09:47:58 PM
Mid and east Antrim council have voted against holding an independent investigation into removing staff from the port checks.  >:(
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bannside on February 22, 2021, 10:43:28 PM
Showing themselves up for what they are, a dirty hateful shower. Have got away with it for years and years. As if Mid Antrim (Ballymena) wasn't bad enough, they throw Ballyclare Carrick and Larne into the mix as well. This was a blatant political act carried out at the instigation of a bigoted council committee who thought they could act with impunity to attempt to bring NI ports to a standstill and force either UK govt or Europe to the negotiating table.

But it was far too predictable, and seen for the bullshit it was. DUP and their antics exposed yet again.



 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2021, 10:49:38 PM
Showing themselves up for what they are, a dirty hateful shower. Have got away with it for years and years. As if Mid Antrim (Ballymena) wasn't bad enough, they throw Ballyclare Carrick and Larne into the mix as well. This was a blatant political act carried out at the instigation of a bigoted council committee who thought they could act with impunity to attempt to bring NI ports to a standstill and force either UK govt or Europe to the negotiating table.

But it was far too predictable, and seen for the bullshit it was. DUP and their antics exposed yet again.

It will only increase their vote in those areas! All calculated and no backlash from the voters because what’s the alternative?

Creating an us against everyone works. Tribal politics is here to stay
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Silver hill on February 22, 2021, 11:22:47 PM
Showing themselves up for what they are, a dirty hateful shower. Have got away with it for years and years. As if Mid Antrim (Ballymena) wasn't bad enough, they throw Ballyclare Carrick and Larne into the mix as well. This was a blatant political act carried out at the instigation of a bigoted council committee who thought they could act with impunity to attempt to bring NI ports to a standstill and force either UK govt or Europe to the negotiating table.

But it was far too predictable, and seen for the bullshit it was. DUP and their antics exposed yet again.

DUP must have something on thon wing nut Donaghy, she has a rap sheet the length of your arm now. Private sector- she’d have fallen on her own sword ages ago.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bannside on February 23, 2021, 08:58:02 AM
It's predictable that loyalism in general will revert to type. How long before there is another Ulster day, Workers strike, Block the roads or the ports, all policies of the past.

Let's find a way to rouse the rabble whilst sitting at the desk waiting on the big fat monthly pay going into their account for sitting doing sweet fanny all.

Only difference this time is too many are a step ahead, just waiting on these antics, and Europe has been well advised not to pay any heed to these netheanderals.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on February 23, 2021, 10:02:41 AM
If you offered the DUP/OO a 3 county Protestant state for a Protestant people complete with minority taigs to trample on they'd take it

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bogball88 on February 23, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
Showing themselves up for what they are, a dirty hateful shower. Have got away with it for years and years. As if Mid Antrim (Ballymena) wasn't bad enough, they throw Ballyclare Carrick and Larne into the mix as well. This was a blatant political act carried out at the instigation of a bigoted council committee who thought they could act with impunity to attempt to bring NI ports to a standstill and force either UK govt or Europe to the negotiating table.

But it was far too predictable, and seen for the bullshit it was. DUP and their antics exposed yet again.

DUP must have something on thon wing nut Donaghy, she has a rap sheet the length of your arm now. Private sector- she’d have fallen on her own sword ages ago.
Coalisland's finest  ::)
A quick scan of her twitter could suggest there is something else going on there....
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JohnDenver on February 23, 2021, 12:45:09 PM
Showing themselves up for what they are, a dirty hateful shower. Have got away with it for years and years. As if Mid Antrim (Ballymena) wasn't bad enough, they throw Ballyclare Carrick and Larne into the mix as well. This was a blatant political act carried out at the instigation of a bigoted council committee who thought they could act with impunity to attempt to bring NI ports to a standstill and force either UK govt or Europe to the negotiating table.

But it was far too predictable, and seen for the bullshit it was. DUP and their antics exposed yet again.

DUP must have something on thon wing nut Donaghy, she has a rap sheet the length of your arm now. Private sector- she’d have fallen on her own sword ages ago.
Coalisland's finest  ::)
A quick scan of her twitter could suggest there is something else going on there....

What do you mean?

https://twitter.com/mea_bc/status/1233051927354773504/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/mea_bc/status/1233051927354773504/photo/1)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 25, 2021, 05:17:09 PM
I see the DUP wing (Foster and Dodds) met the UDA wing today.
Probably trying to get them to stir up trouble?
She got fairly put in her box by the EU/ Brits yesterday.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on February 25, 2021, 05:57:06 PM
In what normal functioning society would the head of a localised government meet with the representatives of illegal paramilitary organisations to discuss an international legal agreement.

It will be interesting to see the real outrage from Stephen Nolan in the coming days instead of the often feigned outrage on more trivial matters.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 26, 2021, 07:31:23 AM
Sammy Wilson being a muppet again with tweets about robin swann. The man is barely a functional adult.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2021, 10:22:44 AM
Sammy Wilson being a muppet again with tweets about robin swann. The man is barely a functional adult.

I'm not on twitter nor bother with it only for results on games, but surely these things should be banned from political parties, they just make cnuts of themselves
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 26, 2021, 10:24:27 AM
They should have a bit of training but in some cases you're not dealing with clever people there.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Silver hill on February 26, 2021, 11:47:27 AM
Showing themselves up for what they are, a dirty hateful shower. Have got away with it for years and years. As if Mid Antrim (Ballymena) wasn't bad enough, they throw Ballyclare Carrick and Larne into the mix as well. This was a blatant political act carried out at the instigation of a bigoted council committee who thought they could act with impunity to attempt to bring NI ports to a standstill and force either UK govt or Europe to the negotiating table.

But it was far too predictable, and seen for the bullshit it was. DUP and their antics exposed yet again.

DUP must have something on thon wing nut Donaghy, she has a rap sheet the length of your arm now. Private sector- she’d have fallen on her own sword ages ago.
Coalisland's finest  ::)
A quick scan of her twitter could suggest there is something else going on there....

What do you mean?

https://twitter.com/mea_bc/status/1233051927354773504/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/mea_bc/status/1233051927354773504/photo/1)

The chief exec of a local council should have low profile, and operate by stealth in the background. Donaghy is the exact opposite. She had a very public spat with the Irish news and BBC last year, she was in bother over a table that her council took at a DUP fundraiser (flouting all the governance and guidance on impartiality), her husband was in court a few years back for knocking the head off her own father in a disagreement over his will. I’ve had the misfortune to attend a few events in ballymena that she has been at and the fawning over Ian Og and co was embarrassing to witness first hand. It’s as if she feels the need to be more unionist than they are. The ultimate castle catholic. So, to answer your question, I have no doubt that her action, to withdraw the staff in Larne, was completely politically motivated and at the behest of Ian Og and his cronies in little England.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on February 26, 2021, 11:55:40 AM
It's predictable that loyalism in general will revert to type. How long before there is another Ulster day, Workers strike, Block the roads or the ports, all policies of the past.

Let's find a way to rouse the rabble whilst sitting at the desk waiting on the big fat monthly pay going into their account for sitting doing sweet fanny all.

Only difference this time is too many are a step ahead, just waiting on these antics, and Europe has been well advised not to pay any heed to these netheanderals.
The demographic has moved on, they are now a minority and won't be able to pull the same strokes they did in the 70's and 80's.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on February 26, 2021, 01:18:14 PM
Sammy Wilson being a muppet again with tweets about robin swann. The man is barely a functional adult.

Deflection tactics from the DUP, it will grab headlines but no right thinking person takes Sammy Wilson seriously anyway.

The real story is how the First Minister, a Lord and an MP met with representatives of an unelected illegal paramilitary organisation to discuss their views on a legally binding international agreement. It beggars belief. I'm just wondering whether Jim Allister or Steve Aiken were on the Nolan show this morning. If this was a Republican they would be apoplectic with rage and Nolan would be miiking the story for days with his cronies. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 26, 2021, 02:32:26 PM
They've been at that for weeks now in terms of the sea border.

I honestly believe that party looks to those paramilitaries for guidance and are more or less led by them so there is some irony when they call SF terrorists.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on February 26, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
Sammy Wilson being a muppet again with tweets about robin swann. The man is barely a functional adult.

Deflection tactics from the DUP, it will grab headlines but no right thinking person takes Sammy Wilson seriously anyway.

The real story is how the First Minister, a Lord and an MP met with representatives of an unelected illegal paramilitary organisation to discuss their views on a legally binding international agreement. It beggars belief. I'm just wondering whether Jim Allister or Steve Aiken were on the Nolan show this morning. If this was a Republican they would be apoplectic with rage and Nolan would be miiking the story for days with his cronies.

The loyalists forum or whatever they are called are a legal organisation believe it or not. The problem is the members of it and the illegal organisations they are a part of.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tonto1888 on February 26, 2021, 05:44:34 PM
DUP taking their ball home now

https://twitter.com/DavidYoungPA/status/1365349007711731722?s=20
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on February 26, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
DUP taking their ball home now

https://twitter.com/DavidYoungPA/status/1365349007711731722?s=20

F*** me, who do these people think they are?!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bannside on February 26, 2021, 06:06:04 PM
Rats in a corner....
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 26, 2021, 06:09:36 PM
The army are coming if this kind of shit happens.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on February 26, 2021, 07:19:13 PM
Time for SF, SDLP and Alliance to walk out of Stormont.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on February 26, 2021, 07:47:12 PM
Time for SF, SDLP and Alliance to walk out of Stormont.

Tactically that would not be a good move though. The DUP and Unionism in general is in a corner and that would give them a scapegoat to blame. Arlene Foster is a lame duck leader who can no longer bring her party with her and as a consequence has been led by the hand by Loyalists and the Orange Order for some time now. Those organisations are devoid of any strategic thinking bar ‘no surrender’ though and have lessened any attractiveness of Unionism to the centre ground. They are like the old Leeds Utd team of the 70s, no one likes us but we don’t care. Insular and backward thinking they’d rather the little short term victory over the bigger economic picture and that has been their downfall since the creation of the state, a constant need to lord it over the other side.

I can’t help but think that were it not for the threat of a Scottish Indy referendum then theBritish government would be more eager to cast the north adrift but for the time being I don’t see a border poll.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on February 26, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
Time for SF, SDLP and Alliance to walk out of Stormont.

In the middle of a pandemic?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on February 26, 2021, 07:52:05 PM
Time for SF, SDLP and Alliance to walk out of Stormont.

That is the last thing they should do. They should convene and call on the minister to do his job.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 26, 2021, 08:12:47 PM
Exactly. The uup should be going against them too. No respect for law as well as democracy. The true colours, not that we didn’t know them, are really coming out here.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: balladmaker on February 26, 2021, 08:15:10 PM
Time for SF, SDLP and Alliance to walk out of Stormont.

Tactically that would not be a good move though. The DUP and Unionism in general is in a corner and that would give them a scapegoat to blame. Arlene Foster is a lame duck leader who can no longer bring her party with her and as a consequence has been led by the hand by Loyalists and the Orange Order for some time now. Those organisations are devoid of any strategic thinking bar ‘no surrender’ though and have lessened any attractiveness of Unionism to the centre ground. They are like the old Leeds Utd team of the 70s, no one likes us but we don’t care. Insular and backward thinking they’d rather the little short term victory over the bigger economic picture and that has been their downfall since the creation of the state, a constant need to lord it over the other side.

I can’t help but think that were it not for the threat of a Scottish Indy referendum then theBritish government would be more eager to cast the north adrift but for the time being I don’t see a border poll.

If I was Boris, I'd be on the phone to Arlene, Nigel, Ian Og etc. asking them what was their preferred date for the border poll ... 2021 or early 2022!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: APM on February 26, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Fascinating that they have once again hitched their wagon to the ERG who would betray them in an instant.  They are being tactical when they need a strategy.  They are looking at their feet, step-by-step, to make sure they don't dirty their shoes; but they aren't lifting the head to see where the road is taking them. 

The road they are on will only take them in one direction and it is the last place on earth they want to be, yet on they go regardless.

This has been their entire approach throughout the Brexit process and everyone else can see where it has taken them and the ultimate outcome of this beligerance.  Somehow, they are blind to it.  It really is unbelievable. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Main Street on February 26, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
 Never shy to get  fully stuck into a  Unionist supremacy orgy, Ruth in the Newsletter

'Unionists are in a stronger position than they seem to realise.
They have the self-respect that goes with occupying the moral high ground.
Unlike nationalists, almost none of them ever vote for murderers and they’re not going to support them now.'


https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards-boris-johnson-must-re-discover-his-moral-core-to-solve-the-irish-sea-border-problem-3143981 (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards-boris-johnson-must-re-discover-his-moral-core-to-solve-the-irish-sea-border-problem-3143981)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on February 26, 2021, 08:29:53 PM
I see from a Nicola Mallon tweet that they have called an emergency meeting of the Executive, probably Alliance and SDLP called this, it is wise for SF to keep a low profile while the DUP are doing their work for them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: balladmaker on February 26, 2021, 08:32:50 PM
Sinn Fein should keep the heads down.  We're watching unionism self-destructing, let them get on with it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on February 26, 2021, 08:44:16 PM
I see from a Nicola Mallon tweet that they have called an emergency meeting of the Executive, probably Alliance and SDLP called this, it is wise for SF to keep a low profile while the DUP are doing their work for them.

This effects us all. SF should be calling this shit out and leading from the front as the largest Nationalist party.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on February 26, 2021, 08:47:53 PM
Sinn Fein should keep the heads down.  We're watching unionism self-destructing, let them get on with it.

Where do the uup sit on it?

I would rather the sdlp and alliance called them out than sf and sf kept the head down.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Hereiam on February 26, 2021, 09:07:37 PM
DUP are pushing for the protocol to become a green & orange issue, it's the only way they can keep their support. SDLP & SF need to be very careful what they say. They need to Keep it along the line that this is the mess the DUP brought and we need to provide all businesses with whatever help they need to minimise the damage.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2021, 10:00:19 PM
The argument should be Boris agreed to this. And leave it at that
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on February 26, 2021, 10:33:13 PM
No chance SF walk out of Stormont at this rate - DUP tour de force thus far, a century of bigotry flowing from the cess pit. Political equivalent of Celtic doing 50 in a row
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on February 26, 2021, 10:54:10 PM
I agree that SF would be advised to keep the heads down as they have largely done throughout Brexit and let Alliance and SDLP hold the DUP to account. Unionism and loyalism desperately needs an enemy in the form of SF or the Irish government to deflect from their own ineptitude.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: seafoid on February 28, 2021, 07:50:40 PM
The argument should be Boris agreed to this. And leave it at that
They don't like to admit that the UK prime minister betrayed them
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 09:36:29 PM
The argument should be Boris agreed to this. And leave it at that
They don't like to admit that the UK prime minister betrayed them
Au contraire, the DUP feed on betrayal and  being betrayed by the PM Johnson is as good as it gets for an Ulster Unionist. And that's whythis betrayal is being screamed from the  flag tops. And in times of no active betrayal, the intrepid devout Unionist will take the sack down from his back and go though  all the past betrayals one by one, just to freshen up the feeling.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on March 01, 2021, 09:50:54 AM
Time for SF, SDLP and Alliance to walk out of Stormont.

The last time SF walked out of Stormont as a result of DUP behaviour, every opportunistic FFG toerag in the Dáil absolved the DUP of any and all responsibility in their rush to pin it all on SF. Wouldn't they just love the opportunity to do so again.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 01, 2021, 10:52:22 AM
The argument should be Boris agreed to this. And leave it at that
They don't like to admit that the UK prime minister betrayed them
Au contraire, the DUP feed on betrayal and  being betrayed by the PM Johnson is as good as it gets for an Ulster Unionist. And that's whythis betrayal is being screamed from the  flag tops. And in times of no active betrayal, the intrepid devout Unionist will take the sack down from his back and go though  all the past betrayals one by one, just to freshen up the feeling.

When Ian Og was welling up telling Boris to be the unionist they need him to be he was near in tears (he's had a bit of practice since the last time).

They know they've fúcked up and need their bogeyman to blame.

Shinners and the Irish Gov should keep their powder dry on this one.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 01, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 01, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
Stormont has one life left.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 01, 2021, 12:34:31 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 01, 2021, 01:22:31 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.

The next census will be very interesting. When results are in at the end of the year everyone will be going straight to the community background figures.
I will expect something along the lines 46% Catholic community background 43% Protestant community background.
We will then here all the nonsense of the day such as yeah but the others are all lapsed protestants - if that's the case they would still be from a Protestant community background.  :o
At the last census they decided to muddy the waters with Irish, British and n.irish. with literally everyone claiming n.irish for themselves ;D.
Expect Futher attempts to fog the results by comparing British to Irish passports although post Brexit that may now be a prob for unionism. I wouldn't be surprised if they add do you watch Corrie or fair city to get a win ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 01, 2021, 01:24:31 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.

Direct rule would surely equal sea border though?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sensethetone on March 01, 2021, 02:02:54 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.

Direct rule would surely equal sea border though?

I would have thought so. Whilst Stormount was last down direct rule implemented or at least got the ball rolling towards marriage rights equality and abortion rights. Stuff like that sort of kept DUPUDA and SF hands cleaner than having to sort between them and not really having to deal with the public opinions.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on March 01, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.

Its got nothing to do with having a set of balls (we already know that Johnson is a gambler anyway), he can't do that whilst the threat of Scotland breaking off lingers. A border poll is most likely 5-10 years away but I'd be fairly certain that there is a growing cohort of the British establishment who are quietly supportive of it when the time is right. It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 01, 2021, 02:11:21 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.

Direct rule would surely equal sea border though?

I would have thought so. Whilst Stormount was last down direct rule implemented or at least got the ball rolling towards marriage rights equality and abortion rights. Stuff like that sort of kept DUPUDA and SF hands cleaner than having to sort between them and not really having to deal with the public opinions.

Based on that then I don’t think they would want to bring down stormont. Their only hope on getting the sea border removed is to retain stormont I would have thought.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 01, 2021, 02:18:27 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: themac_23 on March 01, 2021, 02:19:44 PM
Stormout is a complete shambles, I genuinely would rather have boris calling the shots than the clowns up there. Honestly we will never get anywhere with how it’s set up. Our vote should be either united ireland or home rule. Honestly so sick of the green and orange politics, one says black the other says white and as much as we complain it will always be the same here. Needs ripped up 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on March 01, 2021, 02:33:57 PM
The collapse of Stormont in the centenary of the putrid shithole statelet would be absolutely delicious. Let the stupid DUP assholes do it. Will finally put that white elephant with its big statue of a terrorist gunrunner out of its misery for good.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on March 01, 2021, 02:49:21 PM
Stormout is a complete shambles, I genuinely would rather have boris calling the shots than the clowns up there. Honestly we will never get anywhere with how it’s set up. Our vote should be either united ireland or home rule. Honestly so sick of the green and orange politics, one says black the other says white and as much as we complain it will always be the same here. Needs ripped up

I believe there had of been direct rules here projects such as the Warrenpoint/Omeath bridge would be completed by now. The cost in budgetary terms would have looked minimal to a UK civil service and been green lighted. It became political when it went to Sammy's desk. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 01, 2021, 02:58:59 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.

Direct rule would surely equal sea border though?

Almost definitely but then the DUP could say they didn't implement it..

A bit like the shinners and the austerity budget forced in by Whitehall.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on March 01, 2021, 03:43:13 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

100%.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 01, 2021, 03:48:36 PM
Stormont has one life left.

Indeed but Unionists would be happy with direct rule from London if it does fall.

It needs to be made clear that in the absence of Stormont, NI would be oversaw by Joint ministerial bodies containing civil servants from Dublin and London.
That would make unionism think twice about bringing it down.

Yeah but it’s not a small f**k up. It is monumental. No other party has ever done as much to expedite a United ireland as they have here.

And that is the right way to do it.

If Boris had a set of balls he would have indeed called up Arlene and told her to pull in the nut jobs or he'd be setting the date for the border poll.
The 2021 census is going to be interesting.

Direct rule would surely equal sea border though?

Almost definitely but then the DUP could say they didn't implement it..

A bit like the shinners and the austerity budget forced in by Whitehall.

I think this is one thing they can’t afford to do that on.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on March 01, 2021, 04:51:31 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

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Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2021, 04:59:43 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

SF call for a poll, but do not put in the grunt work to ensure that it would pass.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 01, 2021, 05:25:52 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

SF call for a poll, but do not put in the grunt work to ensure that it would pass.

Working tirelessly from within to undermine the Frankenstein statelet and ensure NI doesn't work, while elevating itself to the largest party on the Island, "powersharing" with the vomit inducing DUP and at the same time in opposition to the equally corrupt FF/FG... I'd say no-one has done more heavy lifting or grunt work and no-one is more prepared or capable of getting it over the line. SF has the advantage of being a revolutionary party that is adept at facing challenges head on and adapting to change, the other 3, would they be fit to change a lightbulb between them without some sort of calamity?

We're facing a decade of change, yes one of SF latest mantra, but change is inevitable and the 3 parties facing SF are only interested in the status quo, by my estimation the electorate are well ahead of the politicians of those 3 vassal parties. The trio are a busted flush, standing on the threshold of another trembling world some might say.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2021, 05:41:19 PM
Working tirelessly from within to undermine the Frankenstein statelet and ensure NI doesn't work, while elevating itself to the largest party on the Island, "powersharing" with the vomit inducing DUP and at the same time in opposition to the equally corrupt FF/FG... I'd say no-one has done more heavy lifting or grunt work and no-one is more prepared or capable of getting it over the line. SF has the advantage of being a revolutionary party that is adept at facing challenges head on and adapting to change, the other 3, would they be fit to change a lightbulb between them without some sort of calamity?

We're facing a decade of change, yes one of SF latest mantra, but change is inevitable and the 3 parties facing SF are only interested in the status quo, by my estimation the electorate are well ahead of the politicians of those 3 vassal parties. The trio are a busted flush, standing on the threshold of another trembling world some might say.

Very good at demolition, not so much at building anew.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Orior on March 01, 2021, 09:10:33 PM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 01, 2021, 09:26:22 PM
Shit just got real
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on March 01, 2021, 09:36:25 PM
Like it or not any United Ireland will have a number of Unionists. We'll have to bring them with us and they'll have to be included. I don't think that if we undermine "the Frankenstein statelet" will be beneficial in the long run. Any New Ireland needs to be built on consensus across the board, not just what revolutionary SF want.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 01, 2021, 09:41:58 PM
Shit just got real

How so?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 01, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Like it or not any United Ireland will have a number of Unionists. We'll have to bring them with us and they'll have to be included. I don't think that if we undermine "the Frankenstein statelet" will be beneficial in the long run. Any New Ireland needs to be built on consensus across the board, not just what revolutionary SF want.

The Frankenstein State is couped, SF started the undermining process DUP are kingpins now, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Ironically revolutionary SF want a shared Ireland/island with parity of esteem and the principle of consent. Its not really that revolutionary these days all told, and yet they have to fight Dublin London and Belfast every inch of the way, almost as if the establishment in those 3 parliaments have an issue with those ideals.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Main Street on March 01, 2021, 11:11:31 PM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 11:14:17 PM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Main Street on March 01, 2021, 11:16:36 PM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
So says one who lives in bondage  ;D 
Try freedom of mind and the freedom that goes with not having to live in the 6 counties.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 11:19:34 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

SF call for a poll, but do not put in the grunt work to ensure that it would pass.

Working tirelessly from within to undermine the Frankenstein statelet and ensure NI doesn't work, while elevating itself to the largest party on the Island, "powersharing" with the vomit inducing DUP and at the same time in opposition to the equally corrupt FF/FG... I'd say no-one has done more heavy lifting or grunt work and no-one is more prepared or capable of getting it over the line. SF has the advantage of being a revolutionary party that is adept at facing challenges head on and adapting to change, the other 3, would they be fit to change a lightbulb between them without some sort of calamity?

We're facing a decade of change, yes one of SF latest mantra, but change is inevitable and the 3 parties facing SF are only interested in the status quo, by my estimation the electorate are well ahead of the politicians of those 3 vassal parties. The trio are a busted flush, standing on the threshold of another trembling world some might say.
Working tirelessly to undermine your own society isn't a good thing, it's a very bad thing, because it fecks up the lives of ordinary people
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2021, 11:21:27 PM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
So says one who lives in bondage  ;D 
Try freedom of mind and the freedom that goes with not having to live in the 6 counties.

I live in Ireland and as Irish as you. Since the south turned its back on the north we’ve managed to get to a point where we’ll eventually do it for ourselves
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 01, 2021, 11:40:54 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

SF call for a poll, but do not put in the grunt work to ensure that it would pass.

Working tirelessly from within to undermine the Frankenstein statelet and ensure NI doesn't work, while elevating itself to the largest party on the Island, "powersharing" with the vomit inducing DUP and at the same time in opposition to the equally corrupt FF/FG... I'd say no-one has done more heavy lifting or grunt work and no-one is more prepared or capable of getting it over the line. SF has the advantage of being a revolutionary party that is adept at facing challenges head on and adapting to change, the other 3, would they be fit to change a lightbulb between them without some sort of calamity?

We're facing a decade of change, yes one of SF latest mantra, but change is inevitable and the 3 parties facing SF are only interested in the status quo, by my estimation the electorate are well ahead of the politicians of those 3 vassal parties. The trio are a busted flush, standing on the threshold of another trembling world some might say.
Working tirelessly to undermine your own society isn't a good thing, it's a very bad thing, because it fecks up the lives of ordinary people

The apartheid Frankenstein state was never a functioning society, ordinary people fucked from the outset, a century of bigotry. The Tories still at it in their own dominion too.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 01, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
Shit just got real

How so?

Sorry, just meant the "ill fight any man anytime" speak above 😃
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 11:46:54 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

SF call for a poll, but do not put in the grunt work to ensure that it would pass.

Working tirelessly from within to undermine the Frankenstein statelet and ensure NI doesn't work, while elevating itself to the largest party on the Island, "powersharing" with the vomit inducing DUP and at the same time in opposition to the equally corrupt FF/FG... I'd say no-one has done more heavy lifting or grunt work and no-one is more prepared or capable of getting it over the line. SF has the advantage of being a revolutionary party that is adept at facing challenges head on and adapting to change, the other 3, would they be fit to change a lightbulb between them without some sort of calamity?

We're facing a decade of change, yes one of SF latest mantra, but change is inevitable and the 3 parties facing SF are only interested in the status quo, by my estimation the electorate are well ahead of the politicians of those 3 vassal parties. The trio are a busted flush, standing on the threshold of another trembling world some might say.
Working tirelessly to undermine your own society isn't a good thing, it's a very bad thing, because it fecks up the lives of ordinary people

The apartheid Frankenstein state was never a functioning society, ordinary people fucked from the outset, a century of bigotry. The Tories still at it in their own dominion too.
And you're boasting about SF trying to make it a worse society

Why on earth would you boast about not just trying to prevent positive change in society, but actively trying to make things worse

That offers nothing to ordinary people - it only harms them

If SF's aim is to harm ordinary people - and you say it is - well then you've made a great case as to why nobody should ever vote for SF

And your bleatings about the Tories - who I agree also want to make things worse for ordinary people, are exposed as total hypocrisy

Because SF are, by your own admission, the exact same as the Tories - f**king up ordinary people's lives

Obsession with a flag above all else is not a lived life, it's a neuroticism
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Main Street on March 02, 2021, 12:03:18 AM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
So says one who lives in bondage  ;D 
Try freedom of mind and the freedom that goes with not having to live in the 6 counties.

I live in Ireland and as Irish as you. Since the south turned its back on the north we’ve managed to get to a point where we’ll eventually do it for ourselves
As Irish as you are and  living in Ireland, does not equate to same experience as me. You have not experienced  the feeling of  growing up as a free Irishman, in an albeit  crappy but free part of Ireland, free from the NI version of the apartheid state, Stormont overlords, 2nd class  citizens,  British army occupation, condescending scummy British politicians, mad-hatter loyalists.  We are just ordinary dysfunctional but independent of shitty Britain and all that baggage.
If more of you nordie nationalists could appreciates the value of that concept, there would be less talk of 10 or 15 years until there is a border poll, and measuring up the value of subvented economic benefits of remaining as UK citizens as apposed to what  might be lost in a united Ireland.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 02, 2021, 12:19:02 AM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
So says one who lives in bondage  ;D 
Try freedom of mind and the freedom that goes with not having to live in the 6 counties.

I live in Ireland and as Irish as you. Since the south turned its back on the north we’ve managed to get to a point where we’ll eventually do it for ourselves
As Irish as you are and  living in Ireland, does not equate to same experience as me. You have not experienced  the feeling of  growing up as a free Irishman, in an albeit  crappy but free part of Ireland, free from the NI version of the apartheid state, Stormont overlords, 2nd class  citizens,  British army occupation, condescending scummy British politicians, mad-hatter loyalists.  We are just ordinary dysfunctional but independent of shitty Britain and all that baggage.
If more of you nordie nationalists could appreciates the value of that concept, there would be less talk of 10 or 15 years until there is a border poll, and measuring up the value of subvented economic benefits of remaining as UK citizens as apposed to what  might be lost in a united Ireland.

the vast majority of nordies do not want a united ireland, they are happy with the status quo, the reasons are mainly financial  ::),  a border poll in the morning would be trounced
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 02, 2021, 12:32:12 AM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
So says one who lives in bondage  ;D 
Try freedom of mind and the freedom that goes with not having to live in the 6 counties.

I live in Ireland and as Irish as you. Since the south turned its back on the north we’ve managed to get to a point where we’ll eventually do it for ourselves
As Irish as you are and  living in Ireland, does not equate to same experience as me. You have not experienced  the feeling of  growing up as a free Irishman, in an albeit  crappy but free part of Ireland, free from the NI version of the apartheid state, Stormont overlords, 2nd class  citizens,  British army occupation, condescending scummy British politicians, mad-hatter loyalists.  We are just ordinary dysfunctional but independent of shitty Britain and all that baggage.
If more of you nordie nationalists could appreciates the value of that concept, there would be less talk of 10 or 15 years until there is a border poll, and measuring up the value of subvented economic benefits of remaining as UK citizens as apposed to what  might be lost in a united Ireland.

the vast majority of nordies do not want a united ireland, they are happy with the status quo, the reasons are mainly financial  ::),  a border poll in the morning would be trounced

50%+1 is all the majority that matters
Protestant state for a Protestant people is a failed ideology
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 02, 2021, 12:43:11 AM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

SF call for a poll, but do not put in the grunt work to ensure that it would pass.

Working tirelessly from within to undermine the Frankenstein statelet and ensure NI doesn't work, while elevating itself to the largest party on the Island, "powersharing" with the vomit inducing DUP and at the same time in opposition to the equally corrupt FF/FG... I'd say no-one has done more heavy lifting or grunt work and no-one is more prepared or capable of getting it over the line. SF has the advantage of being a revolutionary party that is adept at facing challenges head on and adapting to change, the other 3, would they be fit to change a lightbulb between them without some sort of calamity?

We're facing a decade of change, yes one of SF latest mantra, but change is inevitable and the 3 parties facing SF are only interested in the status quo, by my estimation the electorate are well ahead of the politicians of those 3 vassal parties. The trio are a busted flush, standing on the threshold of another trembling world some might say.
Working tirelessly to undermine your own society isn't a good thing, it's a very bad thing, because it fecks up the lives of ordinary people

The apartheid Frankenstein state was never a functioning society, ordinary people fucked from the outset, a century of bigotry. The Tories still at it in their own dominion too.
And you're boasting about SF trying to make it a worse society

Why on earth would you boast about not just trying to prevent positive change in society, but actively trying to make things worse

That offers nothing to ordinary people - it only harms them

If SF's aim is to harm ordinary people - and you say it is - well then you've made a great case as to why nobody should ever vote for SF

And your bleatings about the Tories - who I agree also want to make things worse for ordinary people, are exposed as total hypocrisy

Because SF are, by your own admission, the exact same as the Tories - f**king up ordinary people's lives

Obsession with a flag above all else is not a lived life, it's a neuroticism

Aparteid Frankenstein statelet, you know the history well enough.

SF are a chameleon, but more importantly they stand alone on this island against the Dublin London and Belfast establishment. The youth are behind them in droves, biggest party on the island, by a vast majority.

ps sorry for turning this thread temporarily into a SF thread, much more entertaining to stay on topic with DUP cuntwatch
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 02, 2021, 08:31:59 AM
Shit just got real

How so?

Sorry, just meant the "ill fight any man anytime" speak above 😃

Ah right, I didn't make the connection  ;D ;D ;D

<insert keyboard warrior meme here>
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2021, 08:44:38 AM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
So says one who lives in bondage  ;D 
Try freedom of mind and the freedom that goes with not having to live in the 6 counties.

I live in Ireland and as Irish as you. Since the south turned its back on the north we’ve managed to get to a point where we’ll eventually do it for ourselves
As Irish as you are and  living in Ireland, does not equate to same experience as me. You have not experienced  the feeling of  growing up as a free Irishman, in an albeit  crappy but free part of Ireland, free from the NI version of the apartheid state, Stormont overlords, 2nd class  citizens,  British army occupation, condescending scummy British politicians, mad-hatter loyalists.  We are just ordinary dysfunctional but independent of shitty Britain and all that baggage.
If more of you nordie nationalists could appreciates the value of that concept, there would be less talk of 10 or 15 years until there is a border poll, and measuring up the value of subvented economic benefits of remaining as UK citizens as apposed to what  might be lost in a united Ireland.

Never once felt like a 2nd class citizen, in most cases I felt the South had an opportunity to keep Ireland as a whole but decided to ditch its citizens in the north and wash their hands of dirty agreement with the brits.

By accident of birth those born in the Republic have not had to endure the troubles and are completely free of the UK, but you can dispense with the condescending approach towards northern nationalist, they are as Irish as you, whether you like that or not
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on March 02, 2021, 09:05:55 AM
I will fight any southern Ireland GAA man who says he does not want a unitied Ireland.

Any time, any place.
Being born into freedom, even if it was just a conservative oppressive piss poor Irish society ,was something to cherish. I'd  even take living and growing up in Cavan before any place, high or low, in the 6 counties.

I know, he chains leave serious bruises on the ankles, freedom of the mind is all you need!
So says one who lives in bondage  ;D 
Try freedom of mind and the freedom that goes with not having to live in the 6 counties.

I live in Ireland and as Irish as you. Since the south turned its back on the north we’ve managed to get to a point where we’ll eventually do it for ourselves
As Irish as you are and  living in Ireland, does not equate to same experience as me. You have not experienced  the feeling of  growing up as a free Irishman, in an albeit  crappy but free part of Ireland, free from the NI version of the apartheid state, Stormont overlords, 2nd class  citizens,  British army occupation, condescending scummy British politicians, mad-hatter loyalists.  We are just ordinary dysfunctional but independent of shitty Britain and all that baggage.
If more of you nordie nationalists could appreciates the value of that concept, there would be less talk of 10 or 15 years until there is a border poll, and measuring up the value of subvented economic benefits of remaining as UK citizens as apposed to what  might be lost in a united Ireland.

Never once felt like a 2nd class citizen, in most cases I felt the South had an opportunity to keep Ireland as a whole but decided to ditch its citizens in the north and wash their hands of dirty agreement with the brits.

By accident of birth those born in the Republic have not had to endure the troubles and are completely free of the UK, but you can dispense with the condescending approach towards northern nationalist, they are as Irish as you, whether you like that or not
You are lucky then, I grew up being reminded everyday that I was a second class citizen, it was ingrained. The Lambegs outside the Chapel were just the tip of it. My Children though have had a different experience.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 02, 2021, 12:41:22 PM
I wouldn’t say every day but yeah you certainly got reminders of it near where we were at too. Like you say very different now.

I read a Facebook comment there I found quite funny about just being like Carson 100 years ago who was prepared to go to war with the British for the right to be British. You couldn’t make some of it up.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 01:04:47 PM
It is more important for Irish nationalism to call for a poll when it can be won than just simply calling for a poll. Now is the time when the preparation work should be done.
While I agree with the latter part, the only way to keep it in the pubic conscious is to continue calling for it. The more it is in the public eye the better. Make hay and all that

I think that actually doesn't help. SF seem to be calling for a border poll every other week. It's got to the point that if Arlene sneezes, SF ask for a border poll. I want a border poll but I certainly don't want one called in the next few years as it is unwinnable. I'd rather a mature conversation around what a New Ireland would look like took place with a view to a poll in circa 7-10 years.

SF call for a poll, but do not put in the grunt work to ensure that it would pass.

Working tirelessly from within to undermine the Frankenstein statelet and ensure NI doesn't work, while elevating itself to the largest party on the Island, "powersharing" with the vomit inducing DUP and at the same time in opposition to the equally corrupt FF/FG... I'd say no-one has done more heavy lifting or grunt work and no-one is more prepared or capable of getting it over the line. SF has the advantage of being a revolutionary party that is adept at facing challenges head on and adapting to change, the other 3, would they be fit to change a lightbulb between them without some sort of calamity?

We're facing a decade of change, yes one of SF latest mantra, but change is inevitable and the 3 parties facing SF are only interested in the status quo, by my estimation the electorate are well ahead of the politicians of those 3 vassal parties. The trio are a busted flush, standing on the threshold of another trembling world some might say.
Working tirelessly to undermine your own society isn't a good thing, it's a very bad thing, because it fecks up the lives of ordinary people

The apartheid Frankenstein state was never a functioning society, ordinary people fucked from the outset, a century of bigotry. The Tories still at it in their own dominion too.
And you're boasting about SF trying to make it a worse society

Why on earth would you boast about not just trying to prevent positive change in society, but actively trying to make things worse

That offers nothing to ordinary people - it only harms them

If SF's aim is to harm ordinary people - and you say it is - well then you've made a great case as to why nobody should ever vote for SF

And your bleatings about the Tories - who I agree also want to make things worse for ordinary people, are exposed as total hypocrisy

Because SF are, by your own admission, the exact same as the Tories - f**king up ordinary people's lives

Obsession with a flag above all else is not a lived life, it's a neuroticism

Aparteid Frankenstein statelet, you know the history well enough.

SF are a chameleon, but more importantly they stand alone on this island against the Dublin London and Belfast establishment. The youth are behind them in droves, biggest party on the island, by a vast majority.

ps sorry for turning this thread temporarily into a SF thread, much more entertaining to stay on topic with DUP cuntwatch
Northern Ireland is not an apartheid state, it is a state with deep divisions - but that does not equal an apartheid state or anything like it

Saying you "stand against the establishment" is vacuous soundbyte nonsense

SF are in government in NI, they are the establishment

If you're trying to undermine the very society you're supposed to be governing, you have no business being anywhere near government

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 02, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
They are not the only party who does that here.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 02, 2021, 01:27:49 PM
SF are NOT the establishment. How can they be if they don’t even bother their holes going to Westminster? Northern Ireland may not be an apartheid state but the mentality and culture of the people it was created for are of the same school of thought. Agitating for change is not undermining society. Especially a society so dysfunctional as the one in the occupied 6.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tyroneman on March 02, 2021, 05:15:19 PM
Quote
Northern Ireland is not an apartheid state, it is a state with deep divisions - but that does not equal an apartheid state or anything like it

Saying you "stand against the establishment" is vacuous soundbyte nonsense

SF are in government in NI, they are the establishment

If you're trying to undermine the very society you're supposed to be governing, you have no business being anywhere near government

Perhaps not now....however tell that to those Catholics who lived through being disenfranchised and disempowered for a long, long time, unable to vote, turned away from jobs (the Northern Ireland PM advising ' I recommended people not to employ Roman Catholics'), unable to get adequate housing, subject to open advocacy of a 'Protestant government for a Protestant people' , the gerrymandering, the geography of the transport network etc etc
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 06:59:54 PM
SF are NOT the establishment. How can they be if they don’t even bother their holes going to Westminster? Northern Ireland may not be an apartheid state but the mentality and culture of the people it was created for are of the same school of thought. Agitating for change is not undermining society. Especially a society so dysfunctional as the one in the occupied 6.
Of course they are the establishment

They are in government

According to an SF supporter on this thread, they are working to undermine Northern Ireland, ie. they are working to undermine the lives of ordinary people

To call that a dereliction of duty seems like a massive understatement

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
They are not the only party who does that here.
100%

The DUP also actively undermine their own society and work against the well being of ordinary people

All because of a "fweg"

That's nationalism for ya

But so do Sinn Fein
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 07:03:45 PM
I wouldn’t say every day but yeah you certainly got reminders of it near where we were at too. Like you say very different now.

I read a Facebook comment there I found quite funny about just being like Carson 100 years ago who was prepared to go to war with the British for the right to be British. You couldn’t make some of it up.
Reading this thread I sometimes nearly think that some people here would be prepared to go to war with the Irish for the right to be Irish
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: ardtole on March 02, 2021, 07:39:12 PM
I wouldn’t say every day but yeah you certainly got reminders of it near where we were at too. Like you say very different now.

I read a Facebook comment there I found quite funny about just being like Carson 100 years ago who was prepared to go to war with the British for the right to be British. You couldn’t make some of it up.
Reading this thread I sometimes nearly think that some people here would be prepared to go to war with the Irish for the right to be Irish

Reading this thread some irish would be prepared to go to war to prevent irish reunification. Tommy Conlon must have an account here.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Orior on March 02, 2021, 07:47:16 PM
They are not the only party who does that here.
100%

The DUP also actively undermine their own society and work against the well being of ordinary people

All because of a "fweg"

That's nationalism for ya

But so do Sinn Fein

Why would nationalists want the six county statelet to work?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
They are not the only party who does that here.
100%

The DUP also actively undermine their own society and work against the well being of ordinary people

All because of a "fweg"

That's nationalism for ya

But so do Sinn Fein

Why would nationalists want the six county statelet to work?

It needs to work tolerably in order to be in sufficient shape to join the rest of the country.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 02, 2021, 08:34:12 PM
SF are NOT the establishment. How can they be if they don’t even bother their holes going to Westminster? Northern Ireland may not be an apartheid state but the mentality and culture of the people it was created for are of the same school of thought. Agitating for change is not undermining society. Especially a society so dysfunctional as the one in the occupied 6.
Of course they are the establishment

They are in government

According to an SF supporter on this thread, they are working to undermine Northern Ireland, ie. they are working to undermine the lives of ordinary people

To call that a dereliction of duty seems like a massive understatement
Being in government does not equate to being the establishment. Undermining Northern Ireland, a failed, sectarian entity that does not work, is not undermining the lives of anyone. Such logic is actually preposterous.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 08:45:54 PM
They are not the only party who does that here.
100%

The DUP also actively undermine their own society and work against the well being of ordinary people

All because of a "fweg"

That's nationalism for ya

But so do Sinn Fein

Why would nationalists want the six county statelet to work?
Why would you want a society to fail?

That harms ordinary people a lot

Doesn't it?

And thus it means that you would be nothing more than a neurotic fwegger

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 08:48:20 PM
SF are NOT the establishment. How can they be if they don’t even bother their holes going to Westminster? Northern Ireland may not be an apartheid state but the mentality and culture of the people it was created for are of the same school of thought. Agitating for change is not undermining society. Especially a society so dysfunctional as the one in the occupied 6.
Of course they are the establishment

They are in government

According to an SF supporter on this thread, they are working to undermine Northern Ireland, ie. they are working to undermine the lives of ordinary people

To call that a dereliction of duty seems like a massive understatement
Being in government does not equate to being the establishment. Undermining Northern Ireland, a failed, sectarian entity that does not work, is not undermining the lives of anyone. Such logic is actually preposterous.
What is the government if not the establishment?

Your idea of what the establishment is simply a meaningless buzzword

Eh, yes it is undermining the lives of people

Sinn Fein have a vested interest in producing a failed state

Failed states lead to bad outcomes for the people who live in them, in terms of health, education, employment, social security, every outcome you can think of that affects the quality of human life

It is quite astounding that Shinnerbots are openly admitting they want a lower quality of life for the people of Northern Ireland

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 02, 2021, 09:18:32 PM
They are not the only party who does that here.
100%

The DUP also actively undermine their own society and work against the well being of ordinary people

All because of a "fweg"

That's nationalism for ya

But so do Sinn Fein

Why would nationalists want the six county statelet to work?

It needs to work tolerably in order to be in sufficient shape to join the rest of the country.

This plus for the meantime I would prefer to not go hungry and have a half decent quality of life...

The dup are also actively looking for the NI protocol to fail Sid. Oh what a place we live in.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Orior on March 02, 2021, 10:14:00 PM
They are not the only party who does that here.
100%

The DUP also actively undermine their own society and work against the well being of ordinary people

All because of a "fweg"

That's nationalism for ya

But so do Sinn Fein

Why would nationalists want the six county statelet to work?

It needs to work tolerably in order to be in sufficient shape to join the rest of the country.

This plus for the meantime I would prefer to not go hungry and have a half decent quality of life...

The dup are also actively looking for the NI protocol to fail Sid. Oh what a place we live in.

If we went hungry, then the blame would lie fair and square with England and they cannot afford to let that happen.

So the tactic for both SDLP and SF should be to build economic potential (ie Brexit & NI Protocol) but then have the low-brow knuckle draggers try to pull it down (i.e. Loyalism).
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 02, 2021, 10:18:54 PM
It never stopped them before...

It’s not a very likely scenario though.

Yeah you have a point. The tables have kind of turned. Sf should want the ni protocol to work with a view to a United ireland and the dup should want it to fail. They are doing everything they can to make it fail too. So yet again we are in a position where one of the “big two” has no interest in “the establishment “ succeeding. Joy...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 03, 2021, 11:14:51 AM
It never stopped them before...

It’s not a very likely scenario though.

Yeah you have a point. The tables have kind of turned. Sf should want the ni protocol to work with a view to a United ireland and the dup should want it to fail. They are doing everything they can to make it fail too. So yet again we are in a position where one of the “big two” has no interest in “the establishment “ succeeding. Joy...

Aye but this time most businesses recognise the opportunities opening up to them in the EU that their neighbours in Wales, and Scotland don't have.
The DUP always prided itself as being the party of businesses in NI. That cover is now blown.

They are not the only party who does that here.
100%

The DUP also actively undermine their own society and work against the well being of ordinary people

All because of a "fweg"

That's nationalism for ya

But so do Sinn Fein


The DUP have done absolutely nothing for working class protestants for years, just look at education in these areas FFS.

Weir is more interested in maintaining Grammar school education than bringing up the standards for the working class kids in East Belfast or the Shankill.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2021, 11:56:53 AM
That's the irony of it all. It's like turkeys voting for Christmas. Look at places like Ballymena and where they are with all the major employers shutting down and they still vote for them.

The question now is with one of the biggest political own goals you are likely to see in this sea border will they still vote for them
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2021, 07:37:32 PM
The “loyalist communities council” , aka some form of loyalist paramilitaries, have written to Bojo withdrawing their support for the Belfast agreement. Great - what could go wrong now...

I wonder can they now lock the half of them up expand who were released?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 04, 2021, 08:27:59 AM
The “loyalist communities council” , aka some form of loyalist paramilitaries, have written to Bojo withdrawing their support for the Belfast agreement. Great - what could go wrong now...

I wonder can they now lock the half of them up expand who were released?

Maybe need to remind some that their early release is based on the good friday agreement so withdrawing support would mean doing a wee spell in Maghaberry alright.

Oh, and that "peace" money also gets cut.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 04, 2021, 08:49:30 AM
I was reading about that and apparently that is not true re early release. (According to twitter source Allison Morris who would usually be fairly accurate to be fair to her)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 04, 2021, 08:53:30 AM
I was reading about that and apparently that is not true re early release. (According to twitter source Allison Morris who would usually be fairly accurate to be fair to her)

Fair enough, but their "peace" money for their community associations is..

That might soften their coughs a bit.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on March 04, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
Course there's nothing to it about releases.

The GFA was ratified - early releases and all - whether some loyalist group or other withdraws their support for it or not.

Interesting to hea Wee Jeffrey talking about how Unionist support for the GFA is diminishing rapidly. Does he somehow think people forget that the DUP itself opposed the GFA? Or forget that he himself lef the UUP over it's support for the GFA?

Unionism is really ramping up the rhetoric. I honestly would not be surprised to see some for of loyalist violence being unleashed before long.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 04, 2021, 12:08:50 PM
Like a coiled spring they can't wait to cut loose.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 04, 2021, 12:20:46 PM
Course there's nothing to it about releases.

The GFA was ratified - early releases and all - whether some loyalist group or other withdraws their support for it or not.

Interesting to hea Wee Jeffrey talking about how Unionist support for the GFA is diminishing rapidly. Does he somehow think people forget that the DUP itself opposed the GFA? Or forget that he himself lef the UUP over it's support for the GFA?

Unionism is really ramping up the rhetoric. I honestly would not be surprised to see some for of loyalist violence being unleashed before long.

Sadly I think it is coming. It’s just a question of who their target is.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tyrone08 on March 04, 2021, 12:24:54 PM
Course there's nothing to it about releases.

The GFA was ratified - early releases and all - whether some loyalist group or other withdraws their support for it or not.

Interesting to hea Wee Jeffrey talking about how Unionist support for the GFA is diminishing rapidly. Does he somehow think people forget that the DUP itself opposed the GFA? Or forget that he himself lef the UUP over it's support for the GFA?

Unionism is really ramping up the rhetoric. I honestly would not be surprised to see some for of loyalist violence being unleashed before long.

Sadly I think it is coming. It’s just a question of who their target is.

Think the threat of loyalist violence is over blown. They were heavily supported by the RUC and British government back in the day, I cant see them getting the same support to attack British checkpoints or custom posts. Their attacks surely should not be aimed at catholics.

The important thing is for republicans not to do any counter attacks if catholics are somehow targeted. By doing counter acts it will legitimize it. SF, SDLP etc all must stand together to voice outrage at any attack. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on March 04, 2021, 12:27:43 PM
Course there's nothing to it about releases.

The GFA was ratified - early releases and all - whether some loyalist group or other withdraws their support for it or not.

Interesting to hea Wee Jeffrey talking about how Unionist support for the GFA is diminishing rapidly. Does he somehow think people forget that the DUP itself opposed the GFA? Or forget that he himself lef the UUP over it's support for the GFA?

Unionism is really ramping up the rhetoric. I honestly would not be surprised to see some for of loyalist violence being unleashed before long.

Sadly I think it is coming. It’s just a question of who their target is.

As someone said on twitter about that very question, they'd never manage to successfully and routinely attack border infrastructure without the brits on their side. So who will they go after? Fenians. It's just reverting to type. That's my fear anyway.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on March 04, 2021, 12:33:19 PM
Think the threat of loyalist violence is over blown. They were heavily supported by the RUC and British government back in the day, I cant see them getting the same support to attack British checkpoints or custom posts. Their attacks surely should not be aimed at catholics.
Indeed. As my last post said, they wouldn't have the brits on their side this time round. I fear they will try something but are too feckless without the state backup to make it in any way sustained. My worry is that there will be an upsurge in sectarian attacks on the 'taigs' because the enemy they want to hit (border posts) are unreachable. Unionist political "leaders", as far as I can see, are not going to stop stoking the flames until something happens. Same old story.

The important thing is for republicans not to do any counter attacks if catholics are somehow targeted. By doing counter acts it will legitimize it. SF, SDLP etc all must stand together to voice outrage at any attack.
That would be critical.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 04, 2021, 12:35:15 PM
Yeah sadly those would be my thoughts too in terms of the “fenians”. I just don’t see who else they would attack.

If anything happens the dup may as well have done it themselves.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on March 04, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
The DUP are making another terrible long term strategic blunder in pursuit of another short term ' little victory'. The opportunities in attracting new FDI in the 6 counties are many and varied with the advantage of having access to the dual markets of the EU and UK. If the north began to flourish under those circumstances then the growing appetite for a border poll may have been quelled somewhat and the support for it with the crucial middle 20% may have subsided. Yet again however they beat to the drum of the loyalist supporters. They will find it difficult to feign outrage if the violence begins again from the loyalist side due to their seemingly close relationship with them in recent times. It also begs the question as to where is the tipping point with the UK government and their willingness to ditch or delay and frustrate the NI protocol simply to placate Ulster loyalism. Alleged legal action by the EU will put this to the test.

More turbulent times lie ahead but the best advice for Irish nationalism is to take a fairly passive approach, sit back and just watch things unfold. There is no point in assisting the DUP in their search to create a bogeyman. Internationally it will not reflect well on the UK government if they are seen to be in breach of International Law for a second time. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on March 04, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
I cant see the DUP going against the want of the loyalist leaders - the simple reason is they will be voted out if they do.

Members of the DUP can see where this is going and know the inevitable outcome - however if they put their head above the parapet then its game over for their political career (with the DUP anyway).

This is all about maintaining control of NI and the only way they can do this is be canvassing already for next years votes (which is what they are currently doing).

Feck business, feck jobs, feck the farmers.........its all about our flegs
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 04, 2021, 02:05:21 PM
Tony Connelly tweeting that the EU are postponing the FTA that was meant to happen on the 24th of this month.

Hard Brexit is on it's way.

Then we're down to the withdrawal agreement!!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on March 04, 2021, 02:51:58 PM
Foster on Sky saying she is deeply concerned about her loyalist terrorist mates withdrawing their support for Good Friday Agreement. What a brassnecked cnut. She defected from UUP to DUP because of Agreement, that hypocrisy and the coincidence of the announcement happening just week after she met the scumbags should have been questioned. Yer man Blevins is one useless ballix.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sensethetone on March 04, 2021, 03:21:09 PM
Foster on Sky saying she is deeply concerned about her loyalist terrorist mates withdrawing their support for Good Friday Agreement. What a brassnecked cnut. She defected from UUP to DUP because of Agreement, that hypocrisy and the coincidence of the announcement happening just week after she met the scumbags should have been questioned. Yer man Blevins is one useless ballix.

It's unbelievable the media are not calling that crap out.. Her and Sir Jeff..

It's like a soap opera were characters evolve and their past is blown over and forgotten...

Pure shenanigans..
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Godsown on March 04, 2021, 03:41:35 PM
Tony Connelly tweeting that the EU are postponing the FTA that was meant to happen on the 24th of this month.

Hard Brexit is on it's way.

Then we're down to the withdrawal agreement!!

If that is the case re the FTA, what else do they expect. The arrogant f**kers think the empire still reigns and they can walk over everyone.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 04, 2021, 04:29:24 PM
The DUP are no different whatsoever to any right-wing populists/fascist enablers/fascists around the world

We see here exactly what that whole spectrum is - nihilism

Fanatical nationalism

And people wonder why political debates get "polarised"

It's because there's an international right-wing movement of retreating into child-like fantasy and selfish fake victimhood that cannot be reasoned with

The DUP do not stand alone





Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on March 04, 2021, 04:51:16 PM
The DUP are no different whatsoever to any right-wing populists/fascist enablers/fascists around the world

We see here exactly what that whole spectrum is - nihilism

Fanatical nationalism

And people wonder why political debates get "polarised"

It's because there's an international right-wing movement of retreating into child-like fantasy and selfish fake victimhood that cannot be reasoned with

The DUP do not stand alone

The DUP are definitely unique though and I'm not sure what form of 'nationalism' you would consider theirs to be unless you consider an artificially gerrymandered statelet to be it. The UK is not a nation state and Brexit was primarily about English nationalism (not British identity) which most ulster unionists either failed to spot or their MPs were simply seduced and sold a pup by the right wing of the Tory party.

I agree about the increasing polarisation of politics across the world though. Look at the most powerful nation in the world, the US, which has been in a slow form of disintegration for a few decades now only brought to the surface upon the election of Trump.

Even closer to home we cannot afford to be complacent about this form of politics. For possibly the first time in Irish politics post civil war, there is now a clear left-right divide and I can only see this growing in the years to come. There are plenty of instances of right wing facism which is quite often dressed up in a convenient cloak of patriotism. You have to look no further than the Irish Freedom party who are using the tricolour in such a manner. It sickens me to see some of those IFP protestors draped in an Irish tricolour when you consider the history of Ireland.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on March 04, 2021, 04:53:26 PM
The DUP are no different whatsoever to any right-wing populists/fascist enablers/fascists around the world

We see here exactly what that whole spectrum is - nihilism

Fanatical nationalism

And people wonder why political debates get "polarised"

It's because there's an international right-wing movement of retreating into child-like fantasy and selfish fake victimhood that cannot be reasoned with

The DUP do not stand alone

The only antidote is a Stalinist Sinn Fein.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 04, 2021, 05:18:19 PM
The DUP are no different whatsoever to any right-wing populists/fascist enablers/fascists around the world

We see here exactly what that whole spectrum is - nihilism

Fanatical nationalism

And people wonder why political debates get "polarised"

It's because there's an international right-wing movement of retreating into child-like fantasy and selfish fake victimhood that cannot be reasoned with

The DUP do not stand alone

The DUP are definitely unique though and I'm not sure what form of 'nationalism' you would consider theirs to be unless you consider an artificially gerrymandered statelet to be it. The UK is not a nation state and Brexit was primarily about English nationalism (not British identity) which most ulster unionists either failed to spot or their MPs were simply seduced and sold a pup by the right wing of the Tory party.

I agree about the increasing polarisation of politics across the world though. Look at the most powerful nation in the world, the US, which has been in a slow form of disintegration for a few decades now only brought to the surface upon the election of Trump.

Even closer to home we cannot afford to be complacent about this form of politics. For possibly the first time in Irish politics post civil war, there is now a clear left-right divide and I can only see this growing in the years to come. There are plenty of instances of right wing facism which is quite often dressed up in a convenient cloak of patriotism. You have to look no further than the Irish Freedom party who are using the tricolour in such a manner. It sickens me to see some of those IFP protestors draped in an Irish tricolour when you consider the history of Ireland.
The DUP are a British nationalist party stuck outside Britain but in the UK, half in and half out

The UK is a nation state and I respect Unionists' right to feel British and be officially so too

But the DUP are like the ugly, doormat pretend friend of a popular, controlling, manipulative girl who is having a nervous breakdown, off her head on coke, struggling with her own inadequacies

Brexit was about retreat into fantasy, a caricature of empire, a childlike fantasy, a real life decision to wallow permanently in a YouTube nostalgia binge watching session, all while slashing your own wrists

Because England is the largest constituent part of the UK by far, it was driven mainly by English people

I get why people talk about English nationalism but Brexit as far as the English were concerned was England uber alles in the union nationalism, England being the union as a whole - to English Brexiteers, England is the union - Scotland is part of England, Wales is part of England, Northern Ireland is part of England, and even the Republic of Ireland is in some respects part of England

Brexit is about insecurity, neuroticism and nihilism, it's about being afraid of life

It's about bad history, if real history was taught widely in Britain, there would be a reckoning

And bad history begets bad media, bad media perpetuates that bad history and amplifies it into what ultimately becomes mass neurotic national grievance, like Germany in the 1930s

The DUP are now full loose cannon, they have lost control of their senses

They hate themselves, they hate everybody else, they even hate their more popular friend, who laughs at them, yet they still want to be the friend's doormat

They have nothing, they smell a reckoning for them and therefore they are highly dangerous

The DUP are not unique, they are effectively Ted Cruz - pathetic, trapped, self hating, mad, laughed at, without any of the intellect that Cruz had and has now stuck in the trash

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on March 04, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
The DUP are no different whatsoever to any right-wing populists/fascist enablers/fascists around the world

We see here exactly what that whole spectrum is - nihilism

Fanatical nationalism

And people wonder why political debates get "polarised"

It's because there's an international right-wing movement of retreating into child-like fantasy and selfish fake victimhood that cannot be reasoned with

The DUP do not stand alone

The DUP are definitely unique though and I'm not sure what form of 'nationalism' you would consider theirs to be unless you consider an artificially gerrymandered statelet to be it. The UK is not a nation state and Brexit was primarily about English nationalism (not British identity) which most ulster unionists either failed to spot or their MPs were simply seduced and sold a pup by the right wing of the Tory party.

I agree about the increasing polarisation of politics across the world though. Look at the most powerful nation in the world, the US, which has been in a slow form of disintegration for a few decades now only brought to the surface upon the election of Trump.

Even closer to home we cannot afford to be complacent about this form of politics. For possibly the first time in Irish politics post civil war, there is now a clear left-right divide and I can only see this growing in the years to come. There are plenty of instances of right wing facism which is quite often dressed up in a convenient cloak of patriotism. You have to look no further than the Irish Freedom party who are using the tricolour in such a manner. It sickens me to see some of those IFP protestors draped in an Irish tricolour when you consider the history of Ireland.
The DUP are a British nationalist party stuck outside Britain but in the UK, half in and half out

The UK is a nation state and I respect Unionists' right to feel British and be officially so too

But the DUP are like the ugly, doormat pretend friend of a popular, controlling, manipulative girl who is having a nervous breakdown, off her head on coke, struggling with her own inadequacies

Brexit was about retreat into fantasy, a caricature of empire, a childlike fantasy, a real life decision to wallow permanently in a YouTube nostalgia binge watching session, all while slashing your own wrists

Because England is the largest constituent part of the UK by far, it was driven mainly by English people

I get why people talk about English nationalism but Brexit as far as the English were concerned was England uber alles in the union nationalism, England being the union as a whole

Brexit is about insecurity, neuroticism and nihilism, it's about being afraid of life

It's about bad history, if real history was taught widely in Britain, there would be a reckoning

And bad history begets bad media, bad media perpetuates that bad history and amplifies it into what ultimately becomes mass neurotic national grievance, like Germany in the 1930s

The DUP are now full loose cannon, they have lost control of their senses

They hate themselves, they hate everybody else, they even hate their more popular friend, who laughs at them, yet they still want to be the friend's doormat

They have nothing, they smell a reckoning for them and therefore they are highly dangerous

The DUP are not unique, they are effectively Ted Cruz - pathetic, trapped, self hating, mad, laughed at, without any of the intellect that Cruz had and has now stuck in the trash

Whilst a lot of their politicians may well hold right wing ultra conservative views, they are also in the unique position of attracting a lot of their voters from socially deprived loyalist estates. So theirs is a unique brand of politics centred exclusively around identity and the flag. 

I don't think the DUP have any idea where they are going politically at the minute, it looks as though they are just making it up on the hoof in the hope that they can limit the damage. The problem with being so insular however is that eventually you run out of friends when you need them. It must be terrible to live with a constant loathing and fear with a constant need to create division. I would liken it to playing against Pep's great Barcelona side of a decade ago and having a man sent off in the first 5 minutes, then trying to desperately defend for your life against all the odds. Eventually you know it is going to come crashing down and its not if but when.   
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 04, 2021, 05:40:36 PM

Whilst a lot of their politicians may well hold right wing ultra conservative views, they are also in the unique position of attracting a lot of their voters from socially deprived loyalist estates. So theirs is a unique brand of politics centred exclusively around identity and the flag. 
That's the exact same as Trumpism


I don't think the DUP have any idea where they are going politically at the minute, it looks as though they are just making it up on the hoof in the hope that they can limit the damage. The problem with being so insular however is that eventually you run out of friends when you need them. It must be terrible to live with a constant loathing and fear with a constant need to create division. I would liken it to playing against Pep's great Barcelona side of a decade ago and having a man sent off in the first 5 minutes, then trying to desperately defend for your life against all the odds. Eventually you know it is going to come crashing down and its not if but when.
Inter Milan under Mourinho won in pretty much this situation

Don't give them ideas

Luckily they have Frank Lampard in charge, not peak Mourinho

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on March 04, 2021, 05:52:21 PM

Whilst a lot of their politicians may well hold right wing ultra conservative views, they are also in the unique position of attracting a lot of their voters from socially deprived loyalist estates. So theirs is a unique brand of politics centred exclusively around identity and the flag. 
That's the exact same as Trumpism


I don't think the DUP have any idea where they are going politically at the minute, it looks as though they are just making it up on the hoof in the hope that they can limit the damage. The problem with being so insular however is that eventually you run out of friends when you need them. It must be terrible to live with a constant loathing and fear with a constant need to create division. I would liken it to playing against Pep's great Barcelona side of a decade ago and having a man sent off in the first 5 minutes, then trying to desperately defend for your life against all the odds. Eventually you know it is going to come crashing down and its not if but when.
Inter Milan under Mourinho won in pretty much this situation

Don't give them ideas

Luckily they have Frank Lampard in charge, not peak Mourinho

 ;D ;D

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Godsown on March 04, 2021, 07:08:42 PM

Whilst a lot of their politicians may well hold right wing ultra conservative views, they are also in the unique position of attracting a lot of their voters from socially deprived loyalist estates. So theirs is a unique brand of politics centred exclusively around identity and the flag. 
That's the exact same as Trumpism


I don't think the DUP have any idea where they are going politically at the minute, it looks as though they are just making it up on the hoof in the hope that they can limit the damage. The problem with being so insular however is that eventually you run out of friends when you need them. It must be terrible to live with a constant loathing and fear with a constant need to create division. I would liken it to playing against Pep's great Barcelona side of a decade ago and having a man sent off in the first 5 minutes, then trying to desperately defend for your life against all the odds. Eventually you know it is going to come crashing down and its not if but when.
Inter Milan under Mourinho won in pretty much this situation

Don't give them ideas

Luckily they have Frank Lampard in charge, not peak Mourinho

 ;D ;D

Mourinho at least has a modicum of charisma, not something you could lay at Arlenes door
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on March 04, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
Its getting better as almost 40% of Welsh now want Independence per the latest opinion poll while their First Minister says the "Union is over"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40238063.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/04/westminster-warned-as-poll-shows-record-backing-for-welsh-independence
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 12, 2021, 03:29:49 PM
Former DUP mayor Thomas Hogg escapes jail for sex conviction

https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/13/news/former-dup-mayor-escapes-jail-for-sex-conviction-2253286/content.html (https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/13/news/former-dup-mayor-escapes-jail-for-sex-conviction-2253286/content.html)

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 12, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
Former DUP mayor Thomas Hogg escapes jail for sex conviction

https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/13/news/former-dup-mayor-escapes-jail-for-sex-conviction-2253286/content.html (https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/13/news/former-dup-mayor-escapes-jail-for-sex-conviction-2253286/content.html)

Back on the campaign trail in no time!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on March 22, 2021, 12:07:03 PM
So the DUP are saying no Irish Language Act as long as the Protocol is in place. I
That's nice.
I cant wait for the day these people get the road.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 22, 2021, 12:10:04 PM
So the DUP are saying no Irish Language Act as long as the Protocol is in place. I
That's nice.
I cant wait for the way these people get the road.

they're flailing around looking for their bogeyman.

Shinners need to keep their heads now.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2021, 12:10:12 PM
So the DUP are saying no Irish Language Act as long as the Protocol is in place. I
That's nice.
I cant wait for the way these people get the road.

I'm confused as to who the DUP are going to blame for the protocol and how they will spin this...

Boris and the Tory government are to blame, so will they be directing their blame across the water or will this be spun to blame the 'taigs'?

All reporters and TV media should be asking this question
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tonto1888 on March 22, 2021, 03:27:09 PM
So the DUP are saying no Irish Language Act as long as the Protocol is in place. I
That's nice.
I cant wait for the way these people get the road.

I'm confused as to who the DUP are going to blame for the protocol and how they will spin this...

Boris and the Tory government are to blame, so will they be directing their blame across the water or will this be spun to blame the 'taigs'?

All reporters and TV media should be asking this question

They’re blaming everyone but themselves. In fact they are telling the likes of the alliance, SF and the SDLP to ‘own it’
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 22, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
It’s brilliant. Just sit back and watch them shrivel up and die. These next elections can’t come quick enough.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 22, 2021, 04:34:29 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on March 22, 2021, 04:44:34 PM
I never understood their approach to Brexit. Yes, they wanted a hard border, but rolling the dice where you get a border in the Irish sea at one end or a much less probable hard border at the other does not seem good odds to me, although I am not a betting man.
Peter Robinson would never have gone for this.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 22, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
I never understood their approach to Brexit. Yes, they wanted a hard border, but rolling the dice where you get a border in the Irish sea at one end or a much less probable hard border at the other does not seem good odds to me, although I am not a betting man.
Peter Robinson would never have gone for this.

Robinson would never have went for Brexit unless there was a way out of it for saving face.

The DUP in London got high on the power, media spotlight and the new found friends in the ERG, Banks and his crew without realising where this was going to take them..

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 22, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.
Just need Jim Allister to stay fit and healthy. I despise the bastard but hopefully him and his band of TUV extremists can do enough shouting and get enough airtime to take votes away from the DUP.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on March 22, 2021, 04:56:48 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.
Just need Jim Allister to stay fit and healthy. I despise the bastard but hopefully him and his band of TUV extremists can do enough shouting and get enough airtime to take votes away from the DUP.

All that indignation can't be good for the blood pressure!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 22, 2021, 06:12:21 PM
There aren’t enough TUV though
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on March 22, 2021, 11:32:28 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2021, 11:37:40 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.

They have killed and continue to kill as many prods, but I can’t see how your line of thinking is going to pan out, explain your reasoning
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on March 22, 2021, 11:47:25 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.

They have killed and continue to kill as many prods, but I can’t see how your line of thinking is going to pan out, explain your reasoning

If their threats of violence are played out... I'd have thought that was pretty obvious.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2021, 07:31:42 AM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.

They have killed and continue to kill as many prods, but I can’t see how your line of thinking is going to pan out, explain your reasoning

If their threats of violence are played out... I'd have thought that was pretty obvious.

I don’t see it tbh, there needs to be more of a reason to just kill catholics and even for their very low standards and excuses in the past you and them would be clutching at straws, in fact I’d go so far to say certain parts of republicanism would love that to happen, but these people are brain dead people who have as much thirst for violence as the UDA.

Again who have they threatened and why?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 23, 2021, 07:37:40 AM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

Its somehow like a hat trick of golden goals scored in injury time in extra time.

If Arlene had taken the deal supposedly on the table in the summer of 2017, then this place likely would have stayed part of little britain for a few hundred years yet. The economic voter, both north and south, would have a vested interest in keeping that status quo.


Of course, Arlene et al had to demonstrate how uber-British and anti-European they were to some German in Buckingham palace, so here we are.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 08:49:32 AM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.

They have killed and continue to kill as many prods, but I can’t see how your line of thinking is going to pan out, explain your reasoning

If their threats of violence are played out... I'd have thought that was pretty obvious.

I don’t see it tbh, there needs to be more of a reason to just kill catholics and even for their very low standards and excuses in the past you and them would be clutching at straws, in fact I’d go so far to say certain parts of republicanism would love that to happen, but these people are brain dead people who have as much thirst for violence as the UDA.

Again who have they threatened and why?

Who remains to be seen. I don't see any specifics but just a threat of violence.

Why surely is pretty obvious.

My money would also be on catholics / nationalists too.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2021, 08:55:44 AM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.

They have killed and continue to kill as many prods, but I can’t see how your line of thinking is going to pan out, explain your reasoning

If their threats of violence are played out... I'd have thought that was pretty obvious.

I don’t see it tbh, there needs to be more of a reason to just kill catholics and even for their very low standards and excuses in the past you and them would be clutching at straws, in fact I’d go so far to say certain parts of republicanism would love that to happen, but these people are brain dead people who have as much thirst for violence as the UDA.

Again who have they threatened and why?

Who remains to be seen. I don't see any specifics but just a threat of violence.

Why surely is pretty obvious.

My money would also be on catholics / nationalists too.

In this instance I don't see the why, in the past there was a vague why, but you all say its pretty obvious but yet to give me a stone wall reason as to why catholic's will be targeted for a British ruling
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 08:59:10 AM
Why violence I mean as opposed to catholics.

So they're threatening violence. Who do you think that is against? Against the "PUL" people? (I hate that term as it's just a big bucket and not accurate at all).
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on March 23, 2021, 08:59:16 AM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.

They have killed and continue to kill as many prods, but I can’t see how your line of thinking is going to pan out, explain your reasoning

If their threats of violence are played out... I'd have thought that was pretty obvious.

I don’t see it tbh, there needs to be more of a reason to just kill catholics and even for their very low standards and excuses in the past you and them would be clutching at straws, in fact I’d go so far to say certain parts of republicanism would love that to happen, but these people are brain dead people who have as much thirst for violence as the UDA.

Again who have they threatened and why?

Who remains to be seen. I don't see any specifics but just a threat of violence.

Why surely is pretty obvious.

My money would also be on catholics / nationalists too.

In this instance I don't see the why, in the past there was a vague why, but you all say its pretty obvious but yet to give me a stone wall reason as to why catholic's will be targeted for a British ruling
Because it’s what they do. You can put the house on it
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 23, 2021, 09:07:45 AM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.

The loyalist terrorists won't 'turn'  on DUP. They'll do what they've always done, kill Catholics.

They have killed and continue to kill as many prods, but I can’t see how your line of thinking is going to pan out, explain your reasoning

If their threats of violence are played out... I'd have thought that was pretty obvious.

I don’t see it tbh, there needs to be more of a reason to just kill catholics and even for their very low standards and excuses in the past you and them would be clutching at straws, in fact I’d go so far to say certain parts of republicanism would love that to happen, but these people are brain dead people who have as much thirst for violence as the UDA.

Again who have they threatened and why?

Who remains to be seen. I don't see any specifics but just a threat of violence.

Why surely is pretty obvious.

My money would also be on catholics / nationalists too.

In this instance I don't see the why, in the past there was a vague why, but you all say its pretty obvious but yet to give me a stone wall reason as to why catholic's will be targeted for a British ruling

For a reaction from the dissies or whoever so that they can then turn this into a "defending Ulster" narrative ably assisted by the "one is as bad as the other " narrative.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2021, 09:25:13 AM
Why violence I mean as opposed to catholics.

So they're threatening violence. Who do you think that is against? Against the "PUL" people? (I hate that term as it's just a big bucket and not accurate at all).

I'm not saying that they won't revert to type, I'm just struggling to see how its the catholic's fault and how they will square that one with ordinary people either here or across the water.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 09:36:33 AM
Tbh it is very hard to know who they are threatening it against. Anyone they threaten it against they can't square with across the water. Their own people I don't think they can square violence with. The only ones they can square any kind of violence against is nationalists / republicans I would have thought. (when I say square I mean with neanderthal minority elements not the entirely of the "PUL" people)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 23, 2021, 09:43:39 AM
Tbh it is very hard to know who they are threatening it against. Anyone they threaten it against they can't square with across the water. Their own people I don't think they can square violence with. The only ones they can square any kind of violence against is nationalists / republicans I would have thought. (when I say square I mean with neanderthal minority elements not the entirely of the "PUL" people)

They're doing a pretty tidy job of that in Carrick and on the North Coast but that's OK it seems with the DUP.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on March 23, 2021, 10:46:31 AM
Why violence I mean as opposed to catholics.

So they're threatening violence. Who do you think that is against? Against the "PUL" people? (I hate that term as it's just a big bucket and not accurate at all).

I'm not saying that they won't revert to type, I'm just struggling to see how its the catholic's fault and how they will square that one with ordinary people either here or across the water.
Obviously it’s not the Catholics fault. But that’s who they’ll blame.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 23, 2021, 11:31:34 AM
I don’t buy into these threats of Loyalist violence. Yes they are agitated and currently in the middle of a spray paint campaign but other than that I don’t see them going back to killing innocent people, despite all their bluster.

Even if they try, MI5/PSNI only need to put half the effort they put into monitoring dissidents to round these nut jobs up and dish out prison sentences. Loyalists are all talk, the main players from the conflict are all dead or are dying, have cushy “community worker” jobs or have their finger in too many pies to be drawing attention to themselves. The younger Loyalists within the more notorious factions (EB UVF, Shankill UDA, etc) are all drug dealing rats with low intelligence. They don’t give a f**k about customs declarations or border polls,  their primary concern is when their next shipment of cocaine from the Kinahans will be arriving up from Dublin.

My only real worry would be the more rural types but even with the technology available nowadays I would be confident that the PSNI/spooks have enough in their locker to stop these clowns before they even start.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 23, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
Why violence I mean as opposed to catholics.

So they're threatening violence. Who do you think that is against? Against the "PUL" people? (I hate that term as it's just a big bucket and not accurate at all).

I'm not saying that they won't revert to type, I'm just struggling to see how its the catholic's fault and how they will square that one with ordinary people either here or across the water.
Obviously it’s not the Catholics fault. But that’s who they’ll blame.

Of course its the Caflicks fault, sure Rees-Mogg up to his neck in Brexit
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 23, 2021, 12:35:16 PM
I don’t buy into these threats of Loyalist violence. Yes they are agitated and currently in the middle of a spray paint campaign but other than that I don’t see them going back to killing innocent people, despite all their bluster.

Even if they try, MI5/PSNI only need to put half the effort they put into monitoring dissidents to round these nut jobs up and dish out prison sentences. Loyalists are all talk, the main players from the conflict are all dead or are dying, have cushy “community worker” jobs or have their finger in too many pies to be drawing attention to themselves. The younger Loyalists within the more notorious factions (EB UVF, Shankill UDA, etc) are all drug dealing rats with low intelligence. They don’t give a f**k about customs declarations or border polls,  their primary concern is when their next shipment of cocaine from the Kinahans will be arriving up from Dublin.

My only real worry would be the more rural types but even with the technology available nowadays I would be confident that the PSNI/spooks have enough in their locker to stop these clowns before they even start.

Great line  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 12:39:09 PM
 ;D

I'm still waiting on that graduated response they talked about years ago when they couldn't get that twaddel march going.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 23, 2021, 12:42:01 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.
Just need Jim Allister to stay fit and healthy. I despise the bastard but hopefully him and his band of TUV extremists can do enough shouting and get enough airtime to take votes away from the DUP.
What the DUP is doing at the minute is akin to playing pool against a guy who’s cheating. They’re busy watching the cue ball but it’s the object ball that’s being moved. They’re busy watching Jim Allister who will take some loyalist votes from them but the big problem is the moderate votes that are haemorrhaging to Alliance. They have no strategy for dealing with that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on March 23, 2021, 12:45:54 PM
It is honestly one of the biggest political own goals I have ever seen. Whether they pay for it or not remains to be seen. If the loyalist paramilitaries turn on them it’s game over but hasn’t happened yet. I wonder is it a possibility.
Just need Jim Allister to stay fit and healthy. I despise the bastard but hopefully him and his band of TUV extremists can do enough shouting and get enough airtime to take votes away from the DUP.
What the DUP is doing at the minute is akin to playing pool against a guy who’s cheating. They’re busy watching the cue ball but it’s the object ball that’s being moved. They’re busy watching Jim Allister who will take some loyalist votes from them but the big problem is the moderate votes that are haemorrhaging to Alliance. They have no strategy for dealing with that.

There is also a short termism in this, as always. The 70 something ex UDR men will defect to Allister, but the 20 or 30 something  working for the multinational will defect to Alliance. The latter is your future voter.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on March 23, 2021, 01:06:28 PM
Unionists have never needed much reason to wage violence on nationalists. It's part of what their culture is about, they feel they are a superior race and have no conscience how they maintain the Protestant ascendancy.

The difference is they are no longer enabled and facilitated by the British State to do so and I can't see many of them actually being passionate enough to spend 20 years behind bars for their Britishness.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2021, 01:46:33 PM
Unionists have never needed much reason to wage violence on nationalists. It's part of what their culture is about, they feel they are a superior race and have no conscience how they maintain the Protestant ascendancy.

The difference is they are no longer enabled and facilitated by the British State to do so and I can't see many of them actually being passionate enough to spend 20 years behind bars for their Britishness.

I would say the split in The Maze was 50/50 in terms of loyalist and republican prisoners, someone will have a stat on that no doubt so they enabled them to a point and once they were used they usually were caught or 'given up'

We are not in the 70's 80's or 90's for that matter, no one will accept a return to the troubles, so the Unionist and republican (if you can remember there was comments of once one border goes up it will be blown down) won't have any support to go back down that road.

The UDA is a criminal gang, that's it, killing anyone that interferes in their drug running business, they have over 2000 members is East Antrim alone. I'd say every one of them are known to the police. So if anything were to happen they would be picked up very quickly.

 If the plan is to go ahead and just get over the line for the poll, without trying to bring the soft unionist or protestant on board then you are fucked.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 23, 2021, 02:02:11 PM
Unionists have never needed much reason to wage violence on nationalists. It's part of what their culture is about, they feel they are a superior race and have no conscience how they maintain the Protestant ascendancy.

The difference is they are no longer enabled and facilitated by the British State to do so and I can't see many of them actually being passionate enough to spend 20 years behind bars for their Britishness.

I would say the split in The Maze was 50/50 in terms of loyalist and republican prisoners, someone will have a stat on that no doubt so they enabled them to a point and once they were used they usually were caught or 'given up'

We are not in the 70's 80's or 90's for that matter, no one will accept a return to the troubles, so the Unionist and republican (if you can remember there was comments of once one border goes up it will be blown down) won't have any support to go back down that road.

The UDA is a criminal gang, that's it, killing anyone that interferes in their drug running business, they have over 2000 members is East Antrim alone. I'd say every one of them are known to the police. So if anything were to happen they would be picked up very quickly.

 If the plan is to go ahead and just get over the line for the poll, without trying to bring the soft unionist or protestant on board then you are fucked.

What do you mean?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on March 23, 2021, 02:05:53 PM
Unionists have never needed much reason to wage violence on nationalists. It's part of what their culture is about, they feel they are a superior race and have no conscience how they maintain the Protestant ascendancy.

The difference is they are no longer enabled and facilitated by the British State to do so and I can't see many of them actually being passionate enough to spend 20 years behind bars for their Britishness.

I would say the split in The Maze was 50/50 in terms of loyalist and republican prisoners, someone will have a stat on that no doubt so they enabled them to a point and once they were used they usually were caught or 'given up'

We are not in the 70's 80's or 90's for that matter, no one will accept a return to the troubles, so the Unionist and republican (if you can remember there was comments of once one border goes up it will be blown down) won't have any support to go back down that road.

The UDA is a criminal gang, that's it, killing anyone that interferes in their drug running business, they have over 2000 members is East Antrim alone. I'd say every one of them are known to the police. So if anything were to happen they would be picked up very quickly.

 If the plan is to go ahead and just get over the line for the poll, without trying to bring the soft unionist or protestant on board then you are fucked.

What soft unionist or soft protestant?

Who do your refer to? Alliance voters? Fair enough if so, people who want to be engaged should be engaged.

But the vast, vast majority of voting aged unionists do want engagement on this, they vote in DUP/UUP/TUV candidates who play to the gallery on sectarian lines.

Now I asked a question earlier. Which elected unionist politician in the assembly is the voice of a progressive future for Unionism? I don't see any in the DUP/UUP.

The only real difference between the DUP and UUP is what church they attend, their outlook on the O6 society is very similar.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 23, 2021, 02:09:21 PM
Now I asked a question earlier. Which elected unionist politician in the assembly is the voice of a progressive future for Unionism? I don't see any in the DUP/UUP.

The only real difference between the DUP and UUP is what church they attend, their outlook on the O6 society is very similar.
You’re forgetting the Alliance Party. I would have them down as progressive Unionists
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bannside on March 23, 2021, 02:10:58 PM
What would be your idea of a policy Angelo to convince those "soft/progressive" unionist types (the ones like Andrew Trimble) who need more reassurance before casting their vote in the direction of a UI?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2021, 02:12:05 PM
There will have to be a % of the unionist population who realise that the uk govt no longer want them, and will look objectively at the potential benefits of a united ireland for themselves and their families.

To a certain degree Sinn Fein are going to have to take a back seat and let the sdlp and alliance (possibly), show the positives of reunification.

I work as a crane driver in Dublin and the pay would be more than twice what the equivilent driver would get in Belfast. Its the same in most construction jobs. These benefits need explained. A lot of people will vote with their pockets.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bannside on March 23, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
Look...it's pure and simple a sales job. Someone (not sure SF are best placed to do this) needs to extol the virtues of a better lifestyle for progressive Unionists within a UI context. I do believe Alliance are the key to the vote. And there is every chance their mandate will build on the progress the made at the last local elections.

That's where the battle will be won or lost. And that mightn't be for a decade or so. Does anyone really believe there is any chance it will be sooner?

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 23, 2021, 02:32:58 PM
There will have to be a % of the unionist population who realise that the uk govt no longer want them, and will look objectively at the potential benefits of a united ireland for themselves and their families.

To a certain degree Sinn Fein are going to have to take a back seat and let the sdlp and alliance (possibly), show the positives of reunification.

I work as a crane driver in Dublin and the pay would be more than twice what the equivilent driver would get in Belfast. Its the same in most construction jobs. These benefits need explained. A lot of people will vote with their pockets.

Most people will vote with their pockets, with healthcare being the next big thing on the agenda.


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 02:34:40 PM
It'd at least be a few decades BS I imagine...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
Look...it's pure and simple a sales job. Someone (not sure SF are best placed to do this) needs to extol the virtues of a better lifestyle for progressive Unionists within a UI context. I do believe Alliance are the key to the vote. And there is every chance their mandate will build on the progress the made at the last local elections.

That's where the battle will be won or lost. And that mightn't be for a decade or so. Does anyone really believe there is any chance it will be sooner?

Bertie Ahern suggested 2028 and I think that is a reasonable timeframe for all parties to work together, iron out difficulties and come up with a proposal that at least warrants a vote.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 23, 2021, 02:50:15 PM
I just saw on Twitter the Loyalists have been out with their ladders and put a few Michael Stone flags outside Holy Cross primary school in north Belfast. Each to their own but I am more than happy to plan for a United Ireland without their input.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on March 23, 2021, 02:51:37 PM
It is going to take an Irish Government to sell it. If they aren't on board you can forget it. Martin is not making encouraging noises, it will probably have to wait to there is a leadership change in FF. Leo and ML near enough on the same page last night.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on March 23, 2021, 02:52:52 PM
Now I asked a question earlier. Which elected unionist politician in the assembly is the voice of a progressive future for Unionism? I don't see any in the DUP/UUP.

The only real difference between the DUP and UUP is what church they attend, their outlook on the O6 society is very similar.
You’re forgetting the Alliance Party. I would have them down as progressive Unionists

I would associate the Alliance Party as a broad church moderate party who attract votes from unionist and nationalist communities and don't have a party political stance on the border issue.

I would consider Alliance and Greens to be a middle class vote not really on sectarian lines but more on affluence and liberal lines.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on March 23, 2021, 02:55:21 PM
Look...it's pure and simple a sales job. Someone (not sure SF are best placed to do this) needs to extol the virtues of a better lifestyle for progressive Unionists within a UI context. I do believe Alliance are the key to the vote. And there is every chance their mandate will build on the progress the made at the last local elections.

That's where the battle will be won or lost. And that mightn't be for a decade or so. Does anyone really believe there is any chance it will be sooner?

That's fine but who do Alliance represent? 9% of the electorate who vote for them because they are moderates and do not have strong opinions on their national identity.

I do take that middle ground will probably be key to this but the Alliance hardly represent mainstream unionism.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 23, 2021, 03:03:38 PM
Now I asked a question earlier. Which elected unionist politician in the assembly is the voice of a progressive future for Unionism? I don't see any in the DUP/UUP.

The only real difference between the DUP and UUP is what church they attend, their outlook on the O6 society is very similar.
You’re forgetting the Alliance Party. I would have them down as progressive Unionists

I would associate the Alliance Party as a broad church moderate party who attract votes from unionist and nationalist communities and don't have a party political stance on the border issue.

I would consider Alliance and Greens to be a middle class vote not really on sectarian lines but more on affluence and liberal lines.
A vote for Alliance is a vote for the status quo. They are de-facto Unionists.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on March 23, 2021, 03:09:55 PM
Look...it's pure and simple a sales job. Someone (not sure SF are best placed to do this) needs to extol the virtues of a better lifestyle for progressive Unionists within a UI context. I do believe Alliance are the key to the vote. And there is every chance their mandate will build on the progress the made at the last local elections.

That's where the battle will be won or lost. And that mightn't be for a decade or so. Does anyone really believe there is any chance it will be sooner?

Bertie Ahern suggested 2028 and I think that is a reasonable timeframe for all parties to work together, iron out difficulties and come up with a proposal that at least warrants a vote.

I think 2028 is pie in the sky stuff.

I would estimate 2038 would be closer to the mark.

7 years to iron out all of the issues - very very unlikely
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on March 23, 2021, 03:27:15 PM
Look...it's pure and simple a sales job. Someone (not sure SF are best placed to do this) needs to extol the virtues of a better lifestyle for progressive Unionists within a UI context. I do believe Alliance are the key to the vote. And there is every chance their mandate will build on the progress the made at the last local elections.

That's where the battle will be won or lost. And that mightn't be for a decade or so. Does anyone really believe there is any chance it will be sooner?

Bertie Ahern suggested 2028 and I think that is a reasonable timeframe for all parties to work together, iron out difficulties and come up with a proposal that at least warrants a vote.

I think 2028 is pie in the sky stuff.

I would estimate 2038 would be closer to the mark.

7 years to iron out all of the issues - very very unlikely

It'll be the Tories who decide when and I'd fully expect it within the next 5 years, they'd be delighted to get shot of the O6
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on March 23, 2021, 03:29:59 PM
Look...it's pure and simple a sales job. Someone (not sure SF are best placed to do this) needs to extol the virtues of a better lifestyle for progressive Unionists within a UI context. I do believe Alliance are the key to the vote. And there is every chance their mandate will build on the progress the made at the last local elections.

That's where the battle will be won or lost. And that mightn't be for a decade or so. Does anyone really believe there is any chance it will be sooner?

Bertie Ahern suggested 2028 and I think that is a reasonable timeframe for all parties to work together, iron out difficulties and come up with a proposal that at least warrants a vote.

I think 2028 is pie in the sky stuff.

I would estimate 2038 would be closer to the mark.

7 years to iron out all of the issues - very very unlikely

It'll be the Tories who decide when and I'd fully expect it within the next 5 years, they'd be delighted to get shot of the O6

Irrespective of when they would like it there are too many issues as it stands for it to happen in that timeframe.

If a border poll was to happen in that timeframe it would mean a return to war in the North - too many in the unionist/loyalist community are still dead set against it.

You need to bring everyone along with you (or the vast majority) for it to be a success.

It has to be a step by step process
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2021, 03:51:17 PM
Unionists have never needed much reason to wage violence on nationalists. It's part of what their culture is about, they feel they are a superior race and have no conscience how they maintain the Protestant ascendancy.

The difference is they are no longer enabled and facilitated by the British State to do so and I can't see many of them actually being passionate enough to spend 20 years behind bars for their Britishness.

I would say the split in The Maze was 50/50 in terms of loyalist and republican prisoners, someone will have a stat on that no doubt so they enabled them to a point and once they were used they usually were caught or 'given up'

We are not in the 70's 80's or 90's for that matter, no one will accept a return to the troubles, so the Unionist and republican (if you can remember there was comments of once one border goes up it will be blown down) won't have any support to go back down that road.

The UDA is a criminal gang, that's it, killing anyone that interferes in their drug running business, they have over 2000 members is East Antrim alone. I'd say every one of them are known to the police. So if anything were to happen they would be picked up very quickly.

 If the plan is to go ahead and just get over the line for the poll, without trying to bring the soft unionist or protestant on board then you are fucked.

What do you mean?

If the plan is to just go ahead and not engage with the middle row prods, then why would they bother voting for a UI? trust me, if Scotland has shown me anything in their last vote on freedom is not to trust the diehards because if it hits their pocket they may not vote for it at all... those middle lined prods may well get us over the line.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on March 23, 2021, 03:55:15 PM
They've put Michael Stone flags up outside Holy Cross Primary School, they are the lowest off the low.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 09:16:50 PM
https://t.co/qzDqVWVgCe (https://t.co/qzDqVWVgCe)

So Arlene says they won’t veto the Irish language act after all now Ian og says they will. What a joke of a party.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2021, 09:31:22 PM
https://t.co/qzDqVWVgCe (https://t.co/qzDqVWVgCe)

So Arlene says they won’t veto the Irish language act after all now Ian og says they will. What a joke of a party.

You’d love to be undercover in one of their meetings, the shit they must make up to gain an edge at the poll stations is so dangerous, have a cheek to call themselves Christians
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 09:35:17 PM
While they are flat out liars etc I do think they are very fractured at the minute and something could implode there.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2021, 09:51:03 PM
There seems to be a signifigant split in loyalists, particulary in east belfast. I see on twitter things getting nasty over the pitt park incident.

Hard to know how the next election will go, you would expect the dup to get a serious wake up call but like before they always seem to be able to round up the troops.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on March 23, 2021, 10:53:00 PM
Look...it's pure and simple a sales job. Someone (not sure SF are best placed to do this) needs to extol the virtues of a better lifestyle for progressive Unionists within a UI context. I do believe Alliance are the key to the vote. And there is every chance their mandate will build on the progress the made at the last local elections.

That's where the battle will be won or lost. And that mightn't be for a decade or so. Does anyone really believe there is any chance it will be sooner?

Bertie Ahern suggested 2028 and I think that is a reasonable timeframe for all parties to work together, iron out difficulties and come up with a proposal that at least warrants a vote.

I think 2028 is pie in the sky stuff.

I would estimate 2038 would be closer to the mark.

7 years to iron out all of the issues - very very unlikely

It'll be the Tories who decide when and I'd fully expect it within the next 5 years, they'd be delighted to get shot of the O6

Irrespective of when they would like it there are too many issues as it stands for it to happen in that timeframe.

If a border poll was to happen in that timeframe it would mean a return to war in the North - too many in the unionist/loyalist community are still dead set against it.

You need to bring everyone along with you (or the vast majority) for it to be a success.

It has to be a step by step process
It wouldn’t be a war. They’d talk a big game for a while, attack a couple of innocents then be totally wiped out
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2021, 11:08:51 PM
Totally wiped out? metaphorically you mean? Not some call of duty shit you’re into
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on March 24, 2021, 07:13:43 AM
Totally wiped out? metaphorically you mean? Not some call of duty shit you’re into
Not too fussed which ;D ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 07:53:36 AM
Not that I took your posts seriously but this is the problem we have in this country.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bannside on March 24, 2021, 08:19:47 AM
Wiped out by who, or what exactly?

Ian Og and Arlene are at loggerheads all the time. Ogie doesn't see the need to toe the party line. His mandate is secure, and he thinks he is DUP royalty. They can't get rid of him such is the strength of the Paisley brand within their own ethos. He embarrasses them every other week - but still he remains!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: thewobbler on March 24, 2021, 08:38:51 AM
At this stage I think some form of civil unrest is inevitable within the loyalist community. The minority of them with cop on will know it’s all a bit silly as they don’t have a bonafide target for their ire. But with no other options available, they’ll resort to type and go for a riot.

If the initial infractions don’t get worked up enough to edge beyond the loyalist ghettos. If the loonies are only shitting on their own doorsteps, the rest of us will go on about our business and tune in every night at 6 for a wee update and a laugh.

Unfortunately the DUP know this would be a form of political suicide for them. If they don’t spread out and “take” middle grounds, the unrest will be all too easily portrayed as something that doesn’t reflect the will of Ulster Protestants; which would be reflected in future elections.

So when it happens, they’ll try to spread it as far and wide as possible.

My hope is that they will spread too thin and peter out before they get started.

My cynical assumption is the opposite.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 08:49:49 AM
At this stage I think some form of civil unrest is inevitable within the loyalist community. The minority of them with cop on will know it’s all a bit silly as they don’t have a bonafide target for their ire. But with no other options available, they’ll resort to type and go for a riot.

If the initial infractions don’t get worked up enough to edge beyond the loyalist ghettos. If the loonies are only shitting on their own doorsteps, the rest of us will go on about our business and tune in every night at 6 for a wee update and a laugh.

Unfortunately the DUP know this would be a form of political suicide for them. If they don’t spread out and “take” middle grounds, the unrest will be all too easily portrayed as something that doesn’t reflect the will of Ulster Protestants; which would be reflected in future elections.

So when it happens, they’ll try to spread it as far and wide as possible.

My hope is that they will spread too thin and peter out before they get started.

My cynical assumption is the opposite.

What middle of the road prod is not going to 'get involved' with some loyalist ghetto? Its not happening and if the loyalist leaders on the Shankill and East Belfast rally the troops again, then more fool them, dancing to the DUP rhetoric again will just be an embarrassment as like Boris throwing the DUP under a bus the DUP, should they take any gains from it, will throw them under a bus also.

No common enemy with this fight, their fight is with the Tories and Europe, SF and the rest should keep the heads down and not stoke any fires, let this play out
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on March 24, 2021, 08:53:47 AM
At this stage I think some form of civil unrest is inevitable within the loyalist community. The minority of them with cop on will know it’s all a bit silly as they don’t have a bonafide target for their ire. But with no other options available, they’ll resort to type and go for a riot.

If the initial infractions don’t get worked up enough to edge beyond the loyalist ghettos. If the loonies are only shitting on their own doorsteps, the rest of us will go on about our business and tune in every night at 6 for a wee update and a laugh.

Unfortunately the DUP know this would be a form of political suicide for them. If they don’t spread out and “take” middle grounds, the unrest will be all too easily portrayed as something that doesn’t reflect the will of Ulster Protestants; which would be reflected in future elections.

So when it happens, they’ll try to spread it as far and wide as possible.

My hope is that they will spread too thin and peter out before they get started.

My cynical assumption is the opposite.

What middle of the road prod is not going to 'get involved' with some loyalist ghetto? Its not happening and if the loyalist leaders on the Shankill and East Belfast rally the troops again, then more fool them, dancing to the DUP rhetoric again will just be an embarrassment as like Boris throwing the DUP under a bus the DUP, should they take any gains from it, will throw them under a bus also.

No common enemy with this fight, their fight is with the Tories and Europe, SF and the rest should keep the heads down and not stoke any fires, let this play out

While I admire your positivity I would be more concerned about attacks on catholics - you say rioting - I think they would go further than this.

If catholics are getting attacked how long before retaliation starts?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 08:58:01 AM
At this stage I think some form of civil unrest is inevitable within the loyalist community. The minority of them with cop on will know it’s all a bit silly as they don’t have a bonafide target for their ire. But with no other options available, they’ll resort to type and go for a riot.

If the initial infractions don’t get worked up enough to edge beyond the loyalist ghettos. If the loonies are only shitting on their own doorsteps, the rest of us will go on about our business and tune in every night at 6 for a wee update and a laugh.

Unfortunately the DUP know this would be a form of political suicide for them. If they don’t spread out and “take” middle grounds, the unrest will be all too easily portrayed as something that doesn’t reflect the will of Ulster Protestants; which would be reflected in future elections.

So when it happens, they’ll try to spread it as far and wide as possible.

My hope is that they will spread too thin and peter out before they get started.

My cynical assumption is the opposite.

What middle of the road prod is not going to 'get involved' with some loyalist ghetto? Its not happening and if the loyalist leaders on the Shankill and East Belfast rally the troops again, then more fool them, dancing to the DUP rhetoric again will just be an embarrassment as like Boris throwing the DUP under a bus the DUP, should they take any gains from it, will throw them under a bus also.

No common enemy with this fight, their fight is with the Tories and Europe, SF and the rest should keep the heads down and not stoke any fires, let this play out

While I admire your positivity I would be more concerned about attacks on catholics - you say rioting - I think they would go further than this.

If catholics are getting attacked how long before retaliation starts?

So by retaliating you will just fuel the fire and fall into their hands and so the cycle continues!

Do we never learn from the past or just continue to be stupid? Its as if some people want a fight, the fight is done is this dog that's for sure, and I'm not alone.

There are some big if's. Let just wait and see
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: thewobbler on March 24, 2021, 08:58:37 AM
You’re a tad optimistic MR2.

If Drumcree taught us anything, it’s that there’s young bucks from every town, village, creed and persuasion ready to go rioting. It also made it clear that once there’s enough people at it - and this might only take 100 people - then the police in that town have no way of intervening apart from the brute force methods that make it worse. So they just wait it out.

A week of semicoordinated riots across 10-15 towns only needs a couple of thousand active bodies to present the optics that this is a meaningful, well supported protest.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 09:07:33 AM
You’re a tad optimistic MR2.

If Drumcree taught us anything, it’s that there’s young bucks from every town, village, creed and persuasion ready to go rioting. It also made it clear that once there’s enough people at it - and this might only take 100 people - then the police in that town have no way of intervening apart from the brute force methods that make it worse. So they just wait it out.

A week of semicoordinated riots across 10-15 towns only needs a couple of thousand active bodies to present the optics that this is a meaningful, well supported protest.

Again give me who it is directed to? You need justification to direct it at ordinary catholics. If they go down that road they will have lost any protest, any credit they had across the water will be lost completely, again forcing measures in place that will only bring forward a border poll quicker and less resistance from the UK.

I'm not being optimistic, I just don't see the the hand they need to play to make this work for them
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: lfdown2 on March 24, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
You’re a tad optimistic MR2.

If Drumcree taught us anything, it’s that there’s young bucks from every town, village, creed and persuasion ready to go rioting. It also made it clear that once there’s enough people at it - and this might only take 100 people - then the police in that town have no way of intervening apart from the brute force methods that make it worse. So they just wait it out.

A week of semicoordinated riots across 10-15 towns only needs a couple of thousand active bodies to present the optics that this is a meaningful, well supported protest.

Again give me who it is directed to? You need justification to direct it at ordinary catholics. If they go down that road they will have lost any protest, any credit they had across the water will be lost completely, again forcing measures in place that will only bring forward a border poll quicker and less resistance from the UK.

I'm not being optimistic, I just don't see the the hand they need to play to make this work for them

Similar to Drumcree it doesn't have to be directed at anyone specifically - roads can be blocked, they could start with roads within an ass's roar of any port and spread out from there as thewobbler if they are removed it escalates, if not we have any right minded people pressurising the law so that eventually the intervene and it escalates. We also have a large degree of disenfranchised youths at the moment that would only be too happy for a bit of excitement with fek all else to be at.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on March 24, 2021, 09:46:47 AM
Wiped out by who, or what exactly?

Ian Og and Arlene are at loggerheads all the time. Ogie doesn't see the need to toe the party line. His mandate is secure, and he thinks he is DUP royalty. They can't get rid of him such is the strength of the Paisley brand within their own ethos. He embarrasses them every other week - but still he remains!
A lot of Ian's antics are revenge for the treatment of the Da, and a recognition that he will never inherit the leadership.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 24, 2021, 09:48:44 AM
I don’t foresee riots if I’m honest. The failed flag protests are still fresh in the memory. While there may well be sporadic, isolated incidents I don’t think there are any rabble-rousers actively riling up loyalist yobs to go down this path. Either way we are a good bit away from returning to normality and most people are working from home, furloughed etc so road blockages would not cause as much disruption. I wouldn’t rule out a campaign of more sinister incidents, intimidation, overnight attacks etc
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 10:01:49 AM
I don’t foresee riots if I’m honest. The failed flag protests are still fresh in the memory. While there may well be sporadic, isolated incidents I don’t think there are any rabble-rousers actively riling up loyalist yobs to go down this path. Either way we are a good bit away from returning to normality and most people are working from home, furloughed etc so road blockages would not cause as much disruption. I wouldn’t rule out a campaign of more sinister incidents, intimidation, overnight attacks etc

Overnight attacks on government buildings? Intimidating government officials?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on March 24, 2021, 10:10:11 AM
You’re a tad optimistic MR2.

If Drumcree taught us anything, it’s that there’s young bucks from every town, village, creed and persuasion ready to go rioting. It also made it clear that once there’s enough people at it - and this might only take 100 people - then the police in that town have no way of intervening apart from the brute force methods that make it worse. So they just wait it out.

A week of semicoordinated riots across 10-15 towns only needs a couple of thousand active bodies to present the optics that this is a meaningful, well supported protest.

Again give me who it is directed to? You need justification to direct it at ordinary catholics. If they go down that road they will have lost any protest, any credit they had across the water will be lost completely, again forcing measures in place that will only bring forward a border poll quicker and less resistance from the UK.

I'm not being optimistic, I just don't see the the hand they need to play to make this work for them

Seriously MR. Do you believe this?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 10:26:09 AM
You’re a tad optimistic MR2.

If Drumcree taught us anything, it’s that there’s young bucks from every town, village, creed and persuasion ready to go rioting. It also made it clear that once there’s enough people at it - and this might only take 100 people - then the police in that town have no way of intervening apart from the brute force methods that make it worse. So they just wait it out.

A week of semicoordinated riots across 10-15 towns only needs a couple of thousand active bodies to present the optics that this is a meaningful, well supported protest.

Again give me who it is directed to? You need justification to direct it at ordinary catholics. If they go down that road they will have lost any protest, any credit they had across the water will be lost completely, again forcing measures in place that will only bring forward a border poll quicker and less resistance from the UK.

I'm not being optimistic, I just don't see the the hand they need to play to make this work for them

Seriously MR. Do you believe this?

Its 2021, when was the last protest that resulted in attacks on random catholics?

I'm still struggling with the attack on the truck driver from West Belfast as being directed at a catholic on purpose, I think that was just pure luck or unlucky for Fra, who has lost the sight from his eye.

How do you think this will go? where will the protest begin? Harbor ports in Belfast and Larne then on the streets of Belfast? A rally in town? No one is bothered all the protests in the past have petered out, are they still on Twadell in the caravan? starve it from attention and move on
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on March 24, 2021, 02:10:55 PM
You’re a tad optimistic MR2.

If Drumcree taught us anything, it’s that there’s young bucks from every town, village, creed and persuasion ready to go rioting. It also made it clear that once there’s enough people at it - and this might only take 100 people - then the police in that town have no way of intervening apart from the brute force methods that make it worse. So they just wait it out.

A week of semicoordinated riots across 10-15 towns only needs a couple of thousand active bodies to present the optics that this is a meaningful, well supported protest.

What Drumcree also taught us that they were able to act with total impunity as the RUC stood and watched with their hands in their pockets or meekly asked motorists to avoid certain roads.
Whilst there's still a bit of that in the PSNI as we've recently seen in Pitt Park and in Carrick but when public pressure came on the PSNI have started to act. If anyone is charged and put before the courts then I'd be surprised as I'm still skeptical of the PSNI still having the old RUC catch and release process to calm the initial public anger as part of their makeup.

But can young loyalists/unionists who've in work take that chance of getting a criminal record for rioting and the likes?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on March 24, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
I don’t foresee riots if I’m honest. The failed flag protests are still fresh in the memory. While there may well be sporadic, isolated incidents I don’t think there are any rabble-rousers actively riling up loyalist yobs to go down this path. Either way we are a good bit away from returning to normality and most people are working from home, furloughed etc so road blockages would not cause as much disruption. I wouldn’t rule out a campaign of more sinister incidents, intimidation, overnight attacks etc

Overnight attacks on government buildings? Intimidating government officials?
Well more of the same ie the spray paint campaign, exposing politicians’ addresses etc but maybe ramped up a bit. I’d say the lockdown has gone some way to reducing any collective attempt at coordinated resistance. The lodge is still out of bounds for a while yet  :D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 24, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
MR the question is whether they understand the definition of insanity. Will they understand that if they do something as per flag protests that it will give them the same outcome? That is the question. If so then surely they would try to do something differently.

(flag protests, drumcree, twaddel though IIRC they eventually got through? all ended in the same result. Quite frankly a bunch of people looking like idiots and people getting criminal records.)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
MR the question is whether they understand the definition of insanity. Will they understand that if they do something as per flag protests that it will give them the same outcome? That is the question. If so then surely they would try to do something differently.

(flag protests, drumcree, twaddel though IIRC they eventually got through? all ended in the same result. Quite frankly a bunch of people looking like idiots and people getting criminal records.)

Well they can knock themselves out and if anyone starts to ape them in any shape or form then they will have got what they were looking for.

So back to my point, ignore the protest, SF SDLP say nowt and get on with normal politics. Make the DUP UUP and the TUV come up with their own excuses as to why these bullroots are taking to the streets and more fool on the stupid loyalist political leaders sending their dopes out to get criminal records by throwing stones at the peelers!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 24, 2021, 05:41:27 PM
The problem is it is no skin of the political leaders noses when these people get criminal records. That is what happened with the flag protests.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 06:00:53 PM
The problem is it is no skin of the political leaders noses when these people get criminal records. That is what happened with the flag protests.

I’m talking PUP, they’ve got to look at these kids everyday after organising to protest and riot, then get lifted and records given for what?

 If the common enemy (taigs) is not the fight how can they square it? It’s not logical even for the dumbass protesters.

Again I’d like to hear what Jamie is saying? I’m not on Twitter so who’s he looking to blame
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 24, 2021, 06:24:25 PM
Pup, dup or whoever it doesn’t seem to matter.

I rarely look near Jamie. I saw something on Twitter about the east Belfast three or something so that must be his latest crusade. (It’s that Pitt street stuff which I haven’t followed).

Logic doesn’t come into these things. A divided society benefits the dup(not sure on the pup but probably makes them more relevant too). They won’t care about who is on the street or gets a record.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on March 24, 2021, 06:30:14 PM
The problem is it is no skin of the political leaders noses when these people get criminal records. That is what happened with the flag protests.

I’m talking PUP, they’ve got to look at these kids everyday after organising to protest and riot, then get lifted and records given for what?

If the common enemy (taigs) is not the fight how can they square it? It’s not logical even for the dumbass protesters.

Again I’d like to hear what Jamie is saying? I’m not on Twitter so who’s he looking to blame

So if rioting starts it will inevitably come to Nationalist areas at some point - do you think the nationalist youths will stand watching?

At some point a catholic will be targeted for violence (not inevitable but highly possible) - how long do you think these attacks will continue before retaliation happens.

I admire your optimism MR but I think it is completely misplaced.

A move towards a UI will initiate violence in the North unless it is a step by step process and everyone is taken along that path
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 24, 2021, 06:33:51 PM
Interface areas would be problematic. I imagine there’s still plenty goes on in the likes of short strand with or without this.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2021, 06:55:45 PM
The problem is it is no skin of the political leaders noses when these people get criminal records. That is what happened with the flag protests.

I’m talking PUP, they’ve got to look at these kids everyday after organising to protest and riot, then get lifted and records given for what?

If the common enemy (taigs) is not the fight how can they square it? It’s not logical even for the dumbass protesters.

Again I’d like to hear what Jamie is saying? I’m not on Twitter so who’s he looking to blame

So if rioting starts it will inevitably come to Nationalist areas at some point - do you think the nationalist youths will stand watching?

At some point a catholic will be targeted for violence (not inevitable but highly possible) - how long do you think these attacks will continue before retaliation happens.

I admire your optimism MR but I think it is completely misplaced.

A move towards a UI will initiate violence in the North unless it is a step by step process and everyone is taken along that path


Are we talking sea border brexit f**k up or United ireland poll? One I’ll say will cause attacks on catholics
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on March 25, 2021, 08:02:05 AM
The problem is it is no skin of the political leaders noses when these people get criminal records. That is what happened with the flag protests.

I’m talking PUP, they’ve got to look at these kids everyday after organising to protest and riot, then get lifted and records given for what?

If the common enemy (taigs) is not the fight how can they square it? It’s not logical even for the dumbass protesters.

Again I’d like to hear what Jamie is saying? I’m not on Twitter so who’s he looking to blame

So if rioting starts it will inevitably come to Nationalist areas at some point - do you think the nationalist youths will stand watching?

At some point a catholic will be targeted for violence (not inevitable but highly possible) - how long do you think these attacks will continue before retaliation happens.

I admire your optimism MR but I think it is completely misplaced.

A move towards a UI will initiate violence in the North unless it is a step by step process and everyone is taken along that path


Are we talking sea border brexit f**k up or United ireland poll? One I’ll say will cause attacks on catholics

UI
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2021, 08:44:04 AM
The problem is it is no skin of the political leaders noses when these people get criminal records. That is what happened with the flag protests.

I’m talking PUP, they’ve got to look at these kids everyday after organising to protest and riot, then get lifted and records given for what?

If the common enemy (taigs) is not the fight how can they square it? It’s not logical even for the dumbass protesters.

Again I’d like to hear what Jamie is saying? I’m not on Twitter so who’s he looking to blame

So if rioting starts it will inevitably come to Nationalist areas at some point - do you think the nationalist youths will stand watching?

At some point a catholic will be targeted for violence (not inevitable but highly possible) - how long do you think these attacks will continue before retaliation happens.

I admire your optimism MR but I think it is completely misplaced.

A move towards a UI will initiate violence in the North unless it is a step by step process and everyone is taken along that path


Are we talking sea border brexit f**k up or United ireland poll? One I’ll say will cause attacks on catholics

UI

I was talking, as was the thread about the Irish sea border. I'd expect a lot and be ready for riots come the border poll, and should the border poll go the way of staying in the UK, i'd expect some riots too.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on March 25, 2021, 01:05:47 PM
Sir Jeff now doing his bit t woo nationalists ahead of a ui vote: lets fly the Fleg 365 like the uk. they don't learn.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on March 25, 2021, 05:44:36 PM
Sir Jeff now doing his bit t woo nationalists ahead of a ui vote: lets fly the Fleg 365 like the uk. they don't learn.

I'd say it would play well in Scotland too. These clowns think this will strengthen their 'precious union' when it will actually have the opposite effect. Who is advising these balloons?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 25, 2021, 05:45:41 PM
Fly it where? Town halls / city halls etc?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 25, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
The problem is it is no skin of the political leaders noses when these people get criminal records. That is what happened with the flag protests.

I’m talking PUP, they’ve got to look at these kids everyday after organising to protest and riot, then get lifted and records given for what?

If the common enemy (taigs) is not the fight how can they square it? It’s not logical even for the dumbass protesters.

Again I’d like to hear what Jamie is saying? I’m not on Twitter so who’s he looking to blame

So if rioting starts it will inevitably come to Nationalist areas at some point - do you think the nationalist youths will stand watching?

At some point a catholic will be targeted for violence (not inevitable but highly possible) - how long do you think these attacks will continue before retaliation happens.

I admire your optimism MR but I think it is completely misplaced.

A move towards a UI will initiate violence in the North unless it is a step by step process and everyone is taken along that path


Are we talking sea border brexit f**k up or United ireland poll? One I’ll say will cause attacks on catholics

UI

I was talking, as was the thread about the Irish sea border. I'd expect a lot and be ready for riots come the border poll, and should the border poll go the way of staying in the UK, i'd expect some riots too.
I'm not sure a proper border poll could even take place in the medium term

I could see a mass boycott by Unionists similar to the situation in Catalonia a few years ago

Plus violence

A mass boycott would be self defeating as it would mean they lose the poll, and it would hasten more violence, Unionists would not recognise the result given they'd boycotted it, and NI would be in a limbo, and a complete tinderbox

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on March 26, 2021, 02:51:37 PM
Sammy on the How to win friends and influence people tour.


Rep. Kevin J. Boyle
@RepKevinBoyle

Sounds like Sammy Wilson of the DUP is still heartbroken his hero Donald Trump didn’t win re-election. Fortunately for everyone else President Biden’s Administration will uphold the Good Friday Agreement and its core tenants.

https://belfastmedia.com/sammy-wilson-brands-president-biden-a-bigoted-ignoramus-as-nio-sends-official-to-washington-over-irish-sea-tensions



Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on March 26, 2021, 02:56:52 PM
Lol. He's good with irony is Sammy.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: From the Bunker on March 26, 2021, 04:09:16 PM
Lol. He's good with irony is Sammy.

Sammy and his cohorts are well used to calling names.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Windmill abu on March 26, 2021, 04:48:21 PM
Sammy on the How to win friends and influence people tour.


Rep. Kevin J. Boyle
@RepKevinBoyle

Sounds like Sammy Wilson of the DUP is still heartbroken his hero Donald Trump didn’t win re-election. Fortunately for everyone else President Biden’s Administration will uphold the Good Friday Agreement and its core tenants.

https://belfastmedia.com/sammy-wilson-brands-president-biden-a-bigoted-ignoramus-as-nio-sends-official-to-washington-over-irish-sea-tensions

The bare faced (arsed) cheek of him.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on March 26, 2021, 05:43:23 PM
Sammy on the How to win friends and influence people tour.


Rep. Kevin J. Boyle
@RepKevinBoyle

Sounds like Sammy Wilson of the DUP is still heartbroken his hero Donald Trump didn’t win re-election. Fortunately for everyone else President Biden’s Administration will uphold the Good Friday Agreement and its core tenants.

https://belfastmedia.com/sammy-wilson-brands-president-biden-a-bigoted-ignoramus-as-nio-sends-official-to-washington-over-irish-sea-tensions
Rep. Boyle might be able to see the wood for the trees as regards the Good Friday Agreement but when it comes to Israel/Palestine he is firmly on the side of the Sammy Wilsons on extra strength steroids

I wonder how he manages to square this
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on April 02, 2021, 10:32:26 AM
It's no wonder the DUP are top dogs within Unionism when you hear clips of Steve Aiken getting ripped to shreds by basic questioning by Steve (i'm not a bigot) Nolan.

Horror show.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on April 02, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
One caller after the interview summed it up perfectly " I know its Good Friday but Steve Atkin has just crucified himself "
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: pbat on April 02, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
DUP got there way, rioting on Sandy Row
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 02, 2021, 08:56:22 PM
Years ending in 1 are a hoor for rioting in UK cities
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 02, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
DUP got there way, rioting on Sandy Row

Saw the video on twitter. Most of them lads look 16 or 17. Imagine being born in the mid 00s and getting on like that.
They have been walked up to the top of the hill by Unionist leaders all week, leaders who wouldn't be seen dead at a scene like that. The young lads will end up with criminal records and the usual suspects will wash their hands of them.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 03, 2021, 07:08:50 AM
Recreational rioting. It’ll last a couple of days until the cold weather snap hits on Monday and that will be that and just like the Flags Protest, Drumcree etc the fight will be over and they will have surrendered a bit more.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2021, 09:21:53 AM
So why are they rioting and who is it towards?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2021, 09:37:02 AM
Apparently there was a no sea border protest not long before it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2021, 10:07:06 AM
Have the PuP come out with any statements? Was it an independent group or associated with a political group?

Organising illegal protests, especially during a pandemic people need to be made accountable, the same goes for the Bobby Storey funeral, a complete own goal. You are giving licence for these muppets to feel justified.

Storey’s funeral could have been held within the guidelines and attended properly and show others how it could be done.

A remembrance parade or service could have been arranged at a suitable date when restrictions were better.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2021, 10:16:01 AM
I just read it on social media so not sure on details. Also saw one of the bonfire associations now saying all bets were off for July 11th with psni pandering to SF and threat of republican violence.

The "leadership" in unionism has really stirred shit up here. No surprise really as it's all they know and they are scrambling.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Ed Ricketts on April 03, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
Took a trip down the FB bonfire rabbit hole there. A very depressing experience - a lot of lost, frustrated people lashing out at pretty much anything that moves. More skirmishes like those in Belfast last night seem inevitable this summer with this sort of sentiment flying about.

Unionist leadership seems to have utterly failed to provide these people with any sort of vision, hope or direction. I'd say the pandemic hasn't been good here either, too many people spending too much time stewing away in their own unenriched wee bubbles.

The stuff about the threat of republic violence seems particularly strange. To what is this in reference? Surely not the dissidents, who aren't doing much different than the same low level shite they've been at for years? Has there been something else that I've missed? Or is this just a line these people have been fed and encouraged to run with?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Denn Forever on April 03, 2021, 11:36:02 AM
The frustration seems to have resulted from the lack of police action after the Storey funeral. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rich Ricci on April 03, 2021, 11:42:37 AM
Typical gutlessness from loyalist organisations. Send the young lads out to cause a bit of trouble. Let them ruin their lives by getting caught rioting on camera picking up a needless conviction in the process. Meanwhile the heads of these organisations sit back and watch it happen without as much as a trace back to them. Cowards
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 12:07:22 PM
And all traces back to an opinion poll which showed DUPUDA  losing some support to Allister's bigots.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
So I think there is a school of thought that the psni are becoming a nationalist / republican favouring police force.

I also don't understand why they now talk about republican violence threat. A hard border would have created some threat no doubt but so has a sea border.

Ever since there has been a parades commission etc it has been drummed into these people that the police are against them.(by these people I don't mean protestants I mean people in areas run by loyalist paramilitaries who jump to their rune).
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 03, 2021, 12:35:21 PM
Listening to the Steve Aiken interview now. It is so so painfully awkward.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000tp9k  (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000tp9k)

Starts at 9mins, it's about 40mins long but it's worth a listen.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Louther on April 03, 2021, 12:51:57 PM
Make no mistake. This isn’t about the rights or wrongs of the Funeral, isn’t even about the aftermath of the Northern Ireland protocol.

These tensions have been created by loyalists who have been listening to the talk of a United Ireland and they doing what they know what to do - create disorder, divide communities and use the youth to start the ball rolling.

We’ve seen it in the past with Orange marches, flags and the like.

They looking to create division and draw out violence from all sides.

And they’ll use the puppets to do it.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: screenexile on April 03, 2021, 03:21:45 PM
Make no mistake. This isn’t about the rights or wrongs of the Funeral, isn’t even about the aftermath of the Northern Ireland protocol.

These tensions have been created by loyalists who have been listening to the talk of a United Ireland and they doing what they know what to do - create disorder, divide communities and use the youth to start the ball rolling.

We’ve seen it in the past with Orange marches, flags and the like.

They looking to create division and draw out violence from all sides.

And they’ll use the puppets to do it.

It’s partly that yes but the Loyalist working classes have been badly left behind since the DUP have been in power these young lads have shit education no job prospects and crumbling areas so when you throw in a “pernicious protocol” and an “economic United Ireland” they don’t need much excuse to kick off!

I’d say ask any of the lads what the NI protocol is and you’d get a very short answer!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Kidder81 on April 03, 2021, 03:31:45 PM
Make no mistake. This isn’t about the rights or wrongs of the Funeral, isn’t even about the aftermath of the Northern Ireland protocol.

These tensions have been created by loyalists who have been listening to the talk of a United Ireland and they doing what they know what to do - create disorder, divide communities and use the youth to start the ball rolling.

We’ve seen it in the past with Orange marches, flags and the like.

They looking to create division and draw out violence from all sides.

And they’ll use the puppets to do it.

It’s partly that yes but the Loyalist working classes have been badly left behind since the DUP have been in power these young lads have shit education no job prospects and crumbling areas so when you throw in a “pernicious protocol” and an “economic United Ireland” they don’t need much excuse to kick off!

I’d say ask any of the lads what the NI protocol is and you’d get a very short answer!

The “shit education” or educational attainment is not exclusive to Protestants, there isn’t much difference in working class Republican/nationalist areas. It just doesent get mentioned as much, for various reasons.

Not sure we should be swinging our cocks about in that regard taking the high ground
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on April 03, 2021, 03:57:46 PM
And all traces back to an opinion poll which showed DUPUDA  losing some support to Allister's bigots.

This
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: screenexile on April 03, 2021, 08:16:31 PM
Make no mistake. This isn’t about the rights or wrongs of the Funeral, isn’t even about the aftermath of the Northern Ireland protocol.

These tensions have been created by loyalists who have been listening to the talk of a United Ireland and they doing what they know what to do - create disorder, divide communities and use the youth to start the ball rolling.

We’ve seen it in the past with Orange marches, flags and the like.

They looking to create division and draw out violence from all sides.

And they’ll use the puppets to do it.

It’s partly that yes but the Loyalist working classes have been badly left behind since the DUP have been in power these young lads have shit education no job prospects and crumbling areas so when you throw in a “pernicious protocol” and an “economic United Ireland” they don’t need much excuse to kick off!

I’d say ask any of the lads what the NI protocol is and you’d get a very short answer!

The “shit education” or educational attainment is not exclusive to Protestants, there isn’t much difference in working class Republican/nationalist areas. It just doesent get mentioned as much, for various reasons.

Not sure we should be swinging our cocks about in that regard taking the high ground

I didn’t think I was... throw in a contentious marching season and I’m fairly sure you’d see plenty of Republican areas kick off for the same underlying causes!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2021, 08:49:34 PM
Rioting in newtownabbey tonight. Photos of a car set alight at a roundabout.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rich Ricci on April 03, 2021, 09:09:18 PM
Trashing your local area, destroying a member of your community’s car. Seems like a fool proof way to gather support for your cause.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on April 03, 2021, 09:35:03 PM
Desperate. Words have consequences. Unionism in a dire space. No leadership. Short term, no vision. Desperate.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 03, 2021, 09:39:01 PM
Where the hell are Unionist political leaders this evening? Radio silence from the lot of them. Too busy enjoying the sunshine in their big gardens to worry about Billy and Jackie.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2021, 09:39:27 PM
8 arrested for Sandy Rowe riots. I think they were all 25 or under or something like that? Same as flag protests- “leadership “ fires these people up then nowhere to be seen when they get a criminal record.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 03, 2021, 09:40:27 PM
Cookstown getting it now too. Still not a peep from political Unionism.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2021, 09:44:42 PM
Sadly this has been coming and it is very appropriate it is being talked about on a dup thread >:(
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: GJL on April 03, 2021, 09:55:40 PM
Big Nolan is far from innocent here too. Constantly stirring the pot.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2021, 09:59:13 PM
Trashing your local area, destroying a member of your community’s car. Seems like a fool proof way to gather support for your cause.

We did this for years to our own areas, pot holes for years, bus services stopped and our local shops burned down. 
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: balladmaker on April 04, 2021, 01:33:53 AM
We’re witnessing unionism spiralling into an abyss of their own making, no leadership, no vision, no future.  If only David Irvine was alive today to represent working class loyalism.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: screenexile on April 04, 2021, 09:50:45 AM
We’re witnessing unionism spiralling into an abyss of their own making, no leadership, no vision, no future.  If only David Irvine was alive today to represent working class loyalism.

Alison Morris reporting it’s a UDA ploy to get the PSNI off their backs as they’ve been hitting them hard lately.

Using Brexit and the Storey funeral as cover!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 04, 2021, 10:41:07 AM
We’re witnessing unionism spiralling into an abyss of their own making, no leadership, no vision, no future.  If only David Irvine was alive today to represent working class loyalism.

Alison Morris reporting it’s a UDA ploy to get the PSNI off their backs as they’ve been hitting them hard lately.

Using Brexit and the Storey funeral as cover!

I am shocked.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: DuffleKing on April 04, 2021, 10:48:55 AM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2021, 11:01:34 AM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Would be very difficult to pick one from the current bunch in fairness, I’d say impossible
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 04, 2021, 12:01:48 PM
Machine gun. Mongrels.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on April 04, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
We’re witnessing unionism spiralling into an abyss of their own making, no leadership, no vision, no future.  If only David Irvine was alive today to represent working class loyalism.

Alison Morris reporting it’s a UDA ploy to get the PSNI off their backs as they’ve been hitting them hard lately.

Using Brexit and the Storey funeral as cover!
Do they really think that’s going to work? Haha. Saw one of the bastards get set on fire by one of his mates petrol bombs. Brilliant.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 04, 2021, 01:03:16 PM
We’re witnessing unionism spiralling into an abyss of their own making, no leadership, no vision, no future.  If only David Irvine was alive today to represent working class loyalism.

Alison Morris reporting it’s a UDA ploy to get the PSNI off their backs as they’ve been hitting them hard lately.

Using Brexit and the Storey funeral as cover!

I am shocked.

Same every bloody time. Paramilitaries run, and ruin, those areas.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JimStynes on April 04, 2021, 04:43:00 PM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Was David Ervine not well respected by both sides back in the day?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on April 04, 2021, 05:02:27 PM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Was David Ervine not well respected by both sides back in the day?

Had DUP sussed completely, but started boring the tits off people after swallowing a thesaurus.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2021, 05:36:48 PM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Was David Ervine not well respected by both sides back in the day?

You much prefer Jim Allister’s vernacular? He had the DUP sussed also
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Hound on April 04, 2021, 07:11:19 PM
Great coverage on the RTE 1 6.01  news this evening of a sc**bag petrol bombing himself!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Saffrongael on April 04, 2021, 07:17:48 PM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Was David Ervine not well respected by both sides back in the day?

He was in love with the sound of his own voice
Had DUP sussed completely, but started boring the tits off people after swallowing a thesaurus.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2021, 07:20:30 PM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Was David Ervine not well respected by both sides back in the day?

He was in love with the sound of his own voice
Had DUP sussed completely, but started boring the tits off people after swallowing a thesaurus.

Righty O, the current crop are a better voice to be heard then.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on April 04, 2021, 07:39:36 PM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Was David Ervine not well respected by both sides back in the day?

You much prefer Jim Allister’s vernacular? He had the DUP sussed also

Was a reference to his verbosity. Dunno why you're bringing that bigot into it, oh great mindreader.  ::)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: ONeill on April 04, 2021, 07:48:55 PM

David Irvine's stock has fairly risen in recent weeks, that's for sure. Not sure he carried the mantle of statesman when he was alive mind...

Was David Ervine not well respected by both sides back in the day?

Had DUP sussed completely, but started boring the tits off people after swallowing a thesaurus.

Made me laugh.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 04, 2021, 10:30:19 PM
Flegory blaming Sinn Féin. Get me on the next trip to Mars.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 04, 2021, 10:37:02 PM
The words of people like him are a big part of the reason for the likes of the shit that happened this weekend.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 04, 2021, 11:46:09 PM
Desperate. Words have consequences. Unionism in a dire space. No leadership. Short term, no vision. Desperate.
They make the FAI look like a superbly well run, highly professional outfit
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 05, 2021, 11:16:32 AM
Unionism is rudderless with absolutely no sense of where it is heading. It looks as though Jim Allisters is now the form of Unionism that is leading the way as we see both the DUP and UUP move further to the extremes.

With each and every mini crisis they turn even more insular and inward looking that they are almost at the stage where they are left talking to nobody but themselves. Their leaders have badly failed their own communities by failing to confront reality with this ‘not an inch’ mentality which belongs to a bygone era.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: balladmaker on April 05, 2021, 08:33:56 PM
Watching tonight's news, I see one of last night's rioters in Newtownabbey set himself ablaze ... last seen running up the road with his head on fire ... I'm sure he was asking himself a question or two this morning  :o
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on April 05, 2021, 08:51:59 PM

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 05, 2021, 09:28:48 PM
Singe Meeade was his name
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 05, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Some shit going on in portadown according to Allison Morris on Twitter. Basically unplanned marches by masked men through the town which apparently will continue.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 05, 2021, 09:55:10 PM
It will be some feast of ‘celebrations’ for the centenary later on this summer. Great advertisement over the weekend for the tourist board and should also aid with attracting inward FDI.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on April 05, 2021, 09:59:34 PM
Some shit going on in portadown according to Allison Morris on Twitter. Basically unplanned marches by masked men through the town which apparently will continue.
Illegal marches in Portadown and market hill. Let them knock themselves out. They can inconvenience their own towns til the cows come home, it won’t change anything
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 05, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Some shit going on in portadown according to Allison Morris on Twitter. Basically unplanned marches by masked men through the town which apparently will continue.

It would make you wonder if the attack on Simon Byrne and the PSNI last week was a choreographed attempt to dilute any police response to the upcoming rioting and violence that we seen at the weekend.

I haven’t seen any public condemnation from the DUP on the weekend rioting either from the party or from their elected representatives on Twitter.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 05, 2021, 10:38:42 PM
Apparently choppers put in Carrickfergus tonight, must be expecting some rioting
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 05, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
Apparently choppers put in Carrickfergus tonight, must be expecting some rioting

Going at it now according to Twitter.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 05, 2021, 11:00:46 PM
Unionism is rudderless with absolutely no sense of where it is heading. It looks as though Jim Allisters is now the form of Unionism that is leading the way as we see both the DUP and UUP move further to the extremes.

With each and every mini crisis they turn even more insular and inward looking that they are almost at the stage where they are left talking to nobody but themselves. Their leaders have badly failed their own communities by failing to confront reality with this ‘not an inch’ mentality which belongs to a bygone era.
If they had any wit they’d be starting to open negotiations as to what they could get out of a United Ireland while they still have some sort of power in the Occupied Six. However they continue to remain in denial and once the inevitable occurs they won’t have anything to negotiate with
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 05, 2021, 11:21:12 PM
Unionism is rudderless with absolutely no sense of where it is heading. It looks as though Jim Allisters is now the form of Unionism that is leading the way as we see both the DUP and UUP move further to the extremes.

With each and every mini crisis they turn even more insular and inward looking that they are almost at the stage where they are left talking to nobody but themselves. Their leaders have badly failed their own communities by failing to confront reality with this ‘not an inch’ mentality which belongs to a bygone era.
If they had any wit they’d be starting to open negotiations as to what they could get out of a United Ireland while they still have some sort of power in the Occupied Six. However they continue to remain in denial and once the inevitable occurs they won’t have anything to negotiate with

Make no mistake, the riots have absolutely nothing to do with the Storey funeral, it is being used to provide them with political cover, anybody with a semblance of intelligence can see that.

I think the reality is dawning on many of them that they are nearing the end game. This is what is largely behind the riots (plus the loss in proceeds from intercepted drug shipments). The hard core rump who are sending these youths onto the streets and the vast majority of DUP supporters will likely never engage anyway. But they are only further alienating the softer unionists and middle ground voters. They have no long term strategy and loyalism is dictating DUP policy at the minute due to the weakness of Arlene Fosters position within unionism. Nobody else will want her job either as they will be in a no win situation in the years ahead.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 06, 2021, 10:30:23 AM
The question is why is every loyalist estate not rioting?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2021, 10:38:42 AM
The question is why is every loyalist estate not rioting?

East Antrim was going to be a given, the other estates are probably telling their kids to not bother. I suppose its all down to the commander of that area,
they have been squeezed lately by the police in terms of their criminal activity so this works out well for some sort of backlash at the peelers
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on April 06, 2021, 11:14:00 AM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2021, 11:41:40 AM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always

There are good people that live in those streets, you think the rioter is doing it outside his own front door? The police believe it or not are there to protect the residents
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: 6th sam on April 06, 2021, 04:13:08 PM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always

There are good people that live in those streets, you think the rioter is doing it outside his own front door? The police believe it or not are there to protect the residents

Agree MR the majority of people living in these areas would be against rioting , they are the ones that are suffering most from these riots.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 06, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Nolan not happy happy being challenged on his show this morning

https://twitter.com/npcolgan/status/1379415266745065474
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: ardtole on April 06, 2021, 04:54:57 PM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always

There are good people that live in those streets, you think the rioter is doing it outside his own front door? The police believe it or not are there to protect the residents

Agree MR the majority of people living in these areas would be against rioting , they are the ones that are suffering most from these riots.

Even though I agree with what you say about the local residents, I cant help wondering why this isnt reflected at the ballot box. The DUP can still get their vote out in these areas, maybe next time there will be a signifigant change.

Some of these straws are bound to break the camels back eventually.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2021, 04:58:03 PM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always

There are good people that live in those streets, you think the rioter is doing it outside his own front door? The police believe it or not are there to protect the residents

Agree MR the majority of people living in these areas would be against rioting , they are the ones that are suffering most from these riots.

Even though I agree with what you say about the local residents, I cant help wondering why this isnt reflected at the ballot box. The DUP can still get their vote out in these areas, maybe next time there will be a signifigant change.

Some of these straws are bound to break the camels back eventually.

I grew up in West Belfast, the streets were on flames and the tarmac smoldering when going to school, people will vote people in regardless of what is going on around them.. green/orange
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on April 06, 2021, 06:44:18 PM
What we have is a bundle of scumbags, high on drink and drugs engaging in recreational rioting. It has nothing to do with the Irish Sea border or indeed Bobby Storey and everything to do with shitholes in Belfast that are overrun with criminality. The Police should do their jobs and quell the protests with force and arrest anyone on the street. It's sickening that the DUP are giving this criminality cover. It's also notable that this shite always occurs in these shithole areas. That needs dealt with at the root.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 06, 2021, 06:48:19 PM
It’s a good distraction for them. It’s paramilitary ridden/run shitholes this rioting is happening.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on April 06, 2021, 06:50:57 PM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always

There are good people that live in those streets, you think the rioter is doing it outside his own front door? The police believe it or not are there to protect the residents

Agree MR the majority of people living in these areas would be against rioting , they are the ones that are suffering most from these riots.

Even though I agree with what you say about the local residents, I cant help wondering why this isnt reflected at the ballot box. The DUP can still get their vote out in these areas, maybe next time there will be a signifigant change.

Some of these straws are bound to break the camels back eventually.

I grew up in West Belfast, the streets were on flames and the tarmac smoldering when going to school, people will vote people in regardless of what is going on around them.. green/orange

Down the country we always viewed Belfast as a shithole for exactly this reason. A kip were no one worked and everyone was a waster. While that has changed in some areas that legacy still lives on in many areas unfortunately.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2021, 07:10:18 PM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always

There are good people that live in those streets, you think the rioter is doing it outside his own front door? The police believe it or not are there to protect the residents

Agree MR the majority of people living in these areas would be against rioting , they are the ones that are suffering most from these riots.

Even though I agree with what you say about the local residents, I cant help wondering why this isnt reflected at the ballot box. The DUP can still get their vote out in these areas, maybe next time there will be a signifigant change.

Some of these straws are bound to break the camels back eventually.

I grew up in West Belfast, the streets were on flames and the tarmac smoldering when going to school, people will vote people in regardless of what is going on around them.. green/orange

Down the country we always viewed Belfast as a shithole for exactly this reason. A kip were no one worked and everyone was a waster. While that has changed in some areas that legacy still lives on in many areas unfortunately.

I know, we tried to stay out of North Dublin and only ventured there for Croke, cities have shitholes
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Twobounces on April 06, 2021, 07:45:58 PM
Great article on unionism and their problems.  Part is particularly true in relation that they want to go back to an era that no longer exists.

Let’s start at the beginning. You. Your earliest memories. Were they your parents views of the world? Unionism or Nationalism? Going to a Church or a Chapel? Listening to a Priest or a Minister? Heading off to a primary school where the same kids you saw on Sunday were sitting beside you?

Those are your beliefs, formed right there. But they are not your beliefs, they are your parents, and their parents and back we go so that even though it is 2021 we are still living in the 18th Century.

Of course things have changed on the surface, literally, the ground was divided in 1921, but the reasons for the division were the same. Sectarian and bigoted. On all sides, from the Irish, British and Ulstermen.

I’ll not delve into the depths of the Orange Card. That one of the main reasons the Unionists determination to remain in the UK was the economic benefit for the business classes. There was a real fear of being in a country that would be dominated by the Catholic Church, and followers of that version of Christianity, which proved to be the case.

Partition resulted in each part of Ireland being ruled by a majority of one religious grouping, and in the North the Unionists were given their selected 6 counties to protect their electoral dominance (while the other three counties of Ulster got their wish too, to join the Republic of Ireland).

For 50 years it panned out well if you were a Unionist. It was simplistic beyond belief. There was one party that got into government every election, the Ulster Unionists. No DUP, no nationalists, just that one party. Reflecting how the state was run, if you were a unionist you were in. In a job, in politics, in the ascendency. Meanwhile the minority were gerrymandered out of any political power, even in local councils, with the result that they saw that democracy with a first past the post system was not a democracy at all. The Civil Rights movement, encouraged by events in the United States, demanded a level playing field. And that led to the rise of the hard line DUP and the total breakdown of normal society with 30 years of violence.

And that has been written about and talked about so much that I will leave it on this occasion.

But what has happened since is that we have seen the decline in unionism, for many reasons, so they need to have a good hard look at what is good for them.

I am going to make a huge assumption here, based on the last 150 years of the world economy. People want to be better off. They want new stuff, a nice car, a better house, a big TV, a holiday or two, some cash in their pockets, to be able to support their families, and to do it by having a good job. They want to be healthy, and to be well educated. They want to go for a walk and visit places, and buy an ice cream. It’s not that complicated, and for the 50 years of Unionist ascendency, there was an argument to be made that they were getting all that. Jobs in the Yard, Mackies, the man made fibres industry, banks for the middle classes etc. But it is not working any more. It’s a broken idea and will not bring prosperity.

Why?

Because we are stuck in a market that is simply to small. The North of Ireland and Northern Ireland after partition was a very prosperous place for Unionists. Being part of the British Empire and that market was a big part of it. When that declined after WW2, the economy shrank, and shrank again. Add in the Troubles and fewer and fewer decision makers saw Northern Ireland as an attractive place to do business, for multiple reasons.

Unionists talk about their culture, and that is most readily visible in the Orange Order, the celebration of the Battle of the Boyne (1690) and all the associated parades and events. The Orange Order has a constitution that enshrines sectarianism. It celebrates the religious privileges that accrued when William of Orange defeated James the Second. Religious wars were entangled with Euro politics in the 17th and 18th Century. It is now the 21st. So is that culture or is it a sense of superiority? It is the same cultural and political state that the white population of the United States enjoyed, when it was acceptable to be segregationist and racist.

Unionists don’t really want to be 2021 British, they want to be 1950s British, pre 1968 British, pre multi-cultural British, Stormont British. They want the Britishness that let them rule Northern Ireland without a glance at the nationalist population or the South of Ireland. They want the Britishness that allowed the Orange Order to ensure that the Prime Minister of Northern Ireland had to be a member of their organisation.

In 2021 the Unionists dream of a past when they could shut down swings in public parks, when they could discriminate without a by your leave. When people like my father and his friends could use bigoted language knowing that there would be no dissent because they were in company that was Protestant. Where people who met and fell in love with people from the Catholic religion would have to leave the country to get married, or face a lifetime of abuse and sneering.

The Northern Ireland that the Unionists want to return to did not exist. It was a fantasy created by having a majority. Almost 40% of the people who lived in truncated Ulster (Paisley used to confuse the real Ulster with 6 county Northern Ireland, when he claimed loudly and often that Ulster Says No, he was mistaken, Ulster didn’t have a say,) did not see the Northern Ireland of Unionist Rule as a safe home. For them the Northern Ireland of the 1950s was a place that excluded them from politics, from housing, from professions and jobs, from golf clubs, and areas to live.

But that imaginary Northern Ireland is not coming back. That is a bygone era now only represented by black and white tv shows, set mainly in the US. Yet it still drives the politics of Unionism. In 1968 it was the attempt to have a better relationship with the South that led to the demise of Terence O’Neill and the rise of the Paisleyite right. In 2021 the same reaction is evident. The recent launch of a Dublin Belfast corridor has been met with the same resistance. Unionists damaging their own prospects for prosperity, because they will not countenance having a relationship with our land bordered neighbour. They will put up barriers to enlarging our economy, that would benefit all of the people of N Ireland. They will do themselves damage to ensure that the Nationalist does not get equality. They will actually put their position in the UK at risk to avoid any levelling up of the people in Northern Ireland.

Not one attempt to encourage the nationalist population to put a United Ireland on hold while we spend a bit of time improving the lot of all for a while. Not one attempt to build on their falling voter numbers by making this a place that everyone can feel happy. Where we can discuss and debate the future prosperity like people who are looking forward not back to the self satisfied old days. Not one olive branch to show willing to be friends with our neighbour and work together so that we all can have a larger market. Not one little bit of understanding that the Protestant Working Class could benefit not from flying flags and protesting a protocol, but from having new jobs in businesses that currently set up in Dublin but could see Belfast as an opportunity too, if only we worked together.

Meanwhile the growth of Nationalism has changed the balance of power in Northern Ireland. Unionists have no real power at all, anywhere. As shown recently they are battered about by the UK government as it sees fit, told lies, encouraged to support policies that are actually detrimental to our prosperity, and held to ransom by the very creed that they hold so dear, Unionism. That love of being British is used to control them at every step, and there is nothing to do about it. No Conservative or Labour votes, no seats in the Government (even recently when the DUP held the balance of power in the Theresa May government there was no attempt to woo them with a Cabinet position,) no support from anywhere except when it suits one of the two big players to embarrass the other (the attacks on Corbyn).

As this has happened our neighbours in the South have moved as only an independent country can, from being hidebound by the Catholic Church and the stultifying nature of that organisation, to breaking completely free and becoming one of the most forward thinking countries in Europe. An economy that is light on its feet, nimble to change and growing again after the collapse of 2008-13. Huge levels of investment from the American IT companies, employing tens of thousands of people. Meanwhile in NI, our prosperity is in the hands of Westminster and their mood of the moment. The people of NI have no power over the tax and spend of the country, the bits that make a government real.

The rest of the United Kingdom is getting mightily tired of less than 2 million people wagging the dog. And so they are showing the Unionists the reality that they have no real political power. It was flagged up in 1985 and the Anglo Irish Agreement, but most recently with the Protocol. Boris Johnson comes over, pats them on the head, tells then what they want to hear, then returns to London and does exactly the opposite. Why? Because he can. With no comeback from the Tories. There are no votes to be won in or about Northern Ireland. The Brexiteers were quite open about trading NI for the Brexit they wanted. The Protocol is that in fact.

And the solution is simple. There are a lot of economists out there, so there are a lot of theories, but there is one simple economic fact, a bigger market means more business. And a bigger market is simply more people.

So while the unionist politicians are now claiming that they are disenfranchised, ignored and feeling excluded, they should ask themselves why? From what? When have they tried to make friends. Like the person at the party who goes into the room in a mood and waits for people to come and see how they are, only to be left there, alone, the Unionist needs to wake up , see that there is a party going on, and they would be openly welcomed if only they would accept the invitation.

So what should they do? Look at the last 100 years. There have been wars between Germany and the Allies, Japan and the USA, the US and Vietnam and many more. All of them are now reconciled and are working together. Because of the economics. Unionists will not make any attempt to reconcile with our neighbours, our fellow islanders, people who represent the aspirational nationalism of nearly 50% of our population. They will not put aside their unwarranted fears to improve the lives of the people they represent. The use those fears to make things worse!

It is time to change. It does not take much imagination to see what would happen if rather than creating false issues, (currently that the Irish Government was responsible for the Northern Ireland Protocol, which was in fact negotiated by the British government and the EU) and a new, creative, imaginative dynamic was developed. If the hand of friendship was offered, genuinely. Once the shock had worn off, the image of Northern Ireland would change for the better. The constitutional position would be parked as it is not changing for many years anyway. The opportunities would flood in, not only because of the practical benefits of being in both the EU and UK, but because we would be seen as a place to do business, not a provincial backwater determined to create problems rather than find solutions. There would be a growth in prosperity, for everyone. All of us. We could get our share of the world wide love of the Irish, and tap into rather than alienate the huge financial power of Irish America. We could be seen as the friendly people we are when politics and religion are removed. We could be seen as modern!

The NI Business Facebook Group has 30,000 members. Many are small businesses, dotted around the place, looking for customers for their products and services, from art to health and well being, food and drink to garden offices and many more. All are working within the physical and mental limitations of our market. The border is in their heads, and in the politics of the country, but not on the ground. We are in a unique position to take advantage of being in and out of both the EU and UK.

It is not time for a United Ireland or a border poll, or to remain in the UK, or join a United Ireland, it is time to stop putting that in the way of progress towards prosperity. To put the well being of the people above the flag they fly, the religion they were brought up in and the leaders that take them nowhere.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2021, 07:55:42 PM
What we have is a bundle of scumbags, high on drink and drugs engaging in recreational rioting. It has nothing to do with the Irish Sea border or indeed Bobby Storey and everything to do with shitholes in Belfast that are overrun with criminality. The Police should do their jobs and quell the protests with force and arrest anyone on the street. It's sickening that the DUP are giving this criminality cover. It's also notable that this shite always occurs in these shithole areas. That needs dealt with at the root.
I can see where you are coming from with the Sandy Row riot but the relationship between Belfast being a shithole and the trouble/tension in Carrickfergus, Newtownabbey, Ballymena, Markethill and Portadown is anyone’s guess I suppose.
The relationship being they are also shit holes riddled with wannabe gangsters and uda scum?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Main Street on April 06, 2021, 11:29:31 PM
You'd nearly think the PSNI are complicit. Routine seems to be drive land rover up, have a petrol bomb thrown on land rover, drive said land rover back to base. What happens if the land rover doesn't turn up, hijacking and burning bins on their own street? Let them at I say, they'll soon jack it in as always

There are good people that live in those streets, you think the rioter is doing it outside his own front door? The police believe it or not are there to protect the residents

Agree MR the majority of people living in these areas would be against rioting , they are the ones that are suffering most from these riots.

Even though I agree with what you say about the local residents, I cant help wondering why this isnt reflected at the ballot box. The DUP can still get their vote out in these areas, maybe next time there will be a signifigant change.

Some of these straws are bound to break the camels back eventually.

I grew up in West Belfast, the streets were on flames and the tarmac smoldering when going to school, people will vote people in regardless of what is going on around them.. green/orange

Down the country we always viewed Belfast as a shithole for exactly this reason. A kip were no one worked and everyone was a waster. While that has changed in some areas that legacy still lives on in many areas unfortunately.

I know, we tried to stay out of North Dublin and only ventured there for Croke, cities have shitholes
How often would a GAA inclined Belfast citizen have cause to venture to Croke Park?  once every 2 decades? :D
Dublin is a pillar of civilisation when compared with Belfast.    Compared with Beirut, maybe Belfast has a chance.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 06, 2021, 11:39:51 PM
I try and get down twice a year, having won the league and championship last year we’d had more opportunities.

But your piss take on Dublin having no shitholes in it is funny
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
As someone who has lived and worked in both Belfast and Dublin for a number of years I can say that Belfast city centre definitely feels much safer than Dublin and has a far less evident drug problem than Dublin would have.

Not sure if it's cleaned up in the past 5/6 years but the amount of heroin addicts you'd see on O'Connell Street in Dublin was scary.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 10:05:45 AM
As someone who has lived and worked in both Belfast and Dublin for a number of years I can say that Belfast city centre definitely feels much safer than Dublin and has a far less evident drug problem than Dublin would have.

Not sure if it's cleaned up in the past 5/6 years but the amount of heroin addicts you'd see on O'Connell Street in Dublin was scary.
You've worked in Dublin, lolz

Took the "free state" shilling  ;D

Didn't you "work" in Galway too?

I think at least three of your six accounts on another forum claimed to

You certainly don't work now, that's for sure  ;D
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 10:12:46 AM
As someone who has lived and worked in both Belfast and Dublin for a number of years I can say that Belfast city centre definitely feels much safer than Dublin and has a far less evident drug problem than Dublin would have.

Not sure if it's cleaned up in the past 5/6 years but the amount of heroin addicts you'd see on O'Connell Street in Dublin was scary.
You've worked in Dublin, lolz

Took the "free state" shilling  ;D

Didn't you "work" in Galway too?

I think at least three of your six accounts on another forum claimed to

You certainly don't work now, that's for sure  ;D

I did.

Criticism of Dublin seems to have triggered you for whatever bizarre reason.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 10:15:48 AM
I can just imagine Angelo, on edge in his bedroom, like a coiled spring, just waiting to go to "war"

And this is only an internet forum

What a sad life
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 07, 2021, 03:02:28 PM
You boys obviously didn't learn any lessons from your "holiday" last month  ::)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: JimStynes on April 07, 2021, 03:05:18 PM
As someone who has lived and worked in both Belfast and Dublin for a number of years I can say that Belfast city centre definitely feels much safer than Dublin and has a far less evident drug problem than Dublin would have.

Not sure if it's cleaned up in the past 5/6 years but the amount of heroin addicts you'd see on O'Connell Street in Dublin was scary.

Agreed
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 07, 2021, 04:03:03 PM
As someone who has lived and worked in both Belfast and Dublin for a number of years I can say that Belfast city centre definitely feels much safer than Dublin and has a far less evident drug problem than Dublin would have.

Not sure if it's cleaned up in the past 5/6 years but the amount of heroin addicts you'd see on O'Connell Street in Dublin was scary.

Depends where you go in Belfast Angelo.

Nobody really has any reason to go up past where the O'Neills shop is now in Belfast as there is nothing....but take a walk up that North Street area you'll see all you want. I walked past ones doing presumably heroin a few years ago, serious chemically smell off it thankfully they seemed more worried about me seeing them, than vice versa.

O'Connell Street....is a bit busier, it has the sidestreets where there is a wee bit happening....unfortunately you would be exposed to them a little bit more. Although alot of trouble now seems to be around that Sherriff Street area. Haven't been in Dublin City for awhile obviously.

It's a very sad situation to be comparing both cities but I get the point on Dublin purely because it is a bit closer to 'real life'. We might unfortunately see a bigger issue in Belfast when the University Buildings are all done and everything going up in that part of Belfast.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 04:22:47 PM
As someone who has lived and worked in both Belfast and Dublin for a number of years I can say that Belfast city centre definitely feels much safer than Dublin and has a far less evident drug problem than Dublin would have.

Not sure if it's cleaned up in the past 5/6 years but the amount of heroin addicts you'd see on O'Connell Street in Dublin was scary.

Depends where you go in Belfast Angelo.

Nobody really has any reason to go up past where the O'Neills shop is now in Belfast as there is nothing....but take a walk up that North Street area you'll see all you want. I walked past ones doing presumably heroin a few years ago, serious chemically smell off it thankfully they seemed more worried about me seeing them, than vice versa.

O'Connell Street....is a bit busier, it has the sidestreets where there is a wee bit happening....unfortunately you would be exposed to them a little bit more. Although alot of trouble now seems to be around that Sherriff Street area. Haven't been in Dublin City for awhile obviously.

It's a very sad situation to be comparing both cities but I get the point on Dublin purely because it is a bit closer to 'real life'. We might unfortunately see a bigger issue in Belfast when the University Buildings are all done and everything going up in that part of Belfast.

This was Main Street taking the piss, he wouldn't be seen dead up around the rough parts of Dublin or Belfast for that matter, so hasn't a clue.. Belfast is full of drunks and drug users at the minute because there is no one else about, they seem to have a free run at it for the time being, the cops are doing their best in fairness but the numbers are growing.

I've noticed (and I'm not taking the piss) a few southern accents and there is no doubt that goes both ways .

Where I am in the center there are plenty, a good hose wouldn't go a miss, and there are nearly as many girls as fellas, and they fight like feck!

Like I say a good hosing wouldn't go a miss
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 08:35:46 PM
Seems the fight is against bus drivers now! Hopefully that driver survives that petrol bomb attack on him.

Be interesting to hear Sammy, Gregory, Jeffery and Arlene on this one
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 07, 2021, 08:42:58 PM
Are both “sides” not at it tonight?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 07, 2021, 08:48:37 PM
I see now that was on the shankill. There has been some bother at interface areas too.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 08:54:45 PM
The minute interface brings in ‘both sides’ then it’s lost and the narrative changes.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: armaghniac on April 07, 2021, 08:58:43 PM
The minute interface brings in ‘both sides’ then it’s lost and the narrative changes.

You know rightly that there are thick wee sh!ites on "our" side who want to get involved in the wrecking also.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 07, 2021, 09:07:14 PM
I think to be fair on this whole thing it is being reported clearly it is loyalists and the likes of foster is taking a hammering.

That poor bus driver. I hope he avoided injury.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 07, 2021, 09:07:37 PM
Seems the fight is against bus drivers now! Hopefully that driver survives that petrol bomb attack on him.

Be interesting to hear Sammy, Gregory, Jeffery and Arlene on this one

You can guess who's fault it is ....


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 09:16:15 PM
Seems the fight is against bus drivers now! Hopefully that driver survives that petrol bomb attack on him.

Be interesting to hear Sammy, Gregory, Jeffery and Arlene on this one

You can guess who's fault it is ....




That’s just pathetic. I’m sure Nolan will jump on that tweet, oh wait
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: screenexile on April 07, 2021, 09:18:47 PM
It’s a perfect storm of deprived areas/lockdown frustration/young lads with nothing to do and politicians telling them their identity is being threatened.

If we had some kind of road map out of lockdown it might help the general mood and take the sting out of things.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 09:22:49 PM
It’s a perfect storm of deprived areas/lockdown frustration/young lads with nothing to do and politicians telling them their identity is being threatened.

If we had some kind of road map out of lockdown it might help the general mood and take the sting out of things.
Would they not sit in and watch The Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski on YouTube or something?

Instead of demonstrating the descent of man on the streets
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tonto1888 on April 07, 2021, 09:30:03 PM
That tweet from Foster is sad
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
Can see the Executive falling shortly.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Louther on April 07, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
Jaw dropping from the supposed leader of the place. Can’t help herself and blinded by her twisted bitterness.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: the goal was on on April 07, 2021, 09:43:15 PM
Get the army in and round them all up and throw away the Keys!! Be some crack
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 07, 2021, 09:45:38 PM
That tweet from Foster is sad

No interest in trying to do anything about it. Blame sf. The “real law breakers”... I would have said petrol bombing a bus maybe fits into “real” law breaking.

She really needs to go. Doing nothing for anyone.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 07, 2021, 09:54:32 PM
That tweet from Foster is sad

It truly is unbelievable. And SF are expected to powershare with these people? You can't do business with these lads.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trailer on April 07, 2021, 09:55:01 PM
Disgraceful. Just no idea. Her intransigence, petulance, and lack of generosity is staggering.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 09:57:55 PM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks" 


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 10:07:19 PM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks"

Sid, stop fishing please. You’ve been shown up to be a supporter of violence and I’ve absolutely no respect for you regardless of your alleged ‘Change of heart’
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 07, 2021, 10:07:46 PM
Unionist politicians have lost control of the situation and are being led by loyalist thugs. It took Arlene Foster almost a week to condemn the rioting yet she still managed to caveat it with ‘but SF....’

There is an abject leadership deficit within Unionism as they sink further towards the extremes and the correlation between incendiary inflammatory language from elected politicians leading to thuggish violence on the streets is there for all to see.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 10:12:06 PM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks"

Sid, stop fishing please. You’ve been shown up to be a supporter of violence and I’ve absolutely no respect for you regardless of your alleged ‘Change of heart’
I respect you, that's the difference

But your type of sneering and the sneering of others here at "free staters" is why we'll never have a united Ireland

And maybe we should never want one

If this forum is anything to go by, northern Catholics have a lot more in common with their northern Protestant brethren than they do with people in the Republic

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 07, 2021, 10:12:29 PM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks"

Your determination to win petty arguments on a message board is getting extremely tiresome. No doubt somebody among the ‘several posters’ will bite to feed your cravings for an argument.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Tubberman on April 07, 2021, 10:12:44 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 10:14:56 PM
I thought Patrick Kielty called it correctly when he said that what happened tonight started with lies on the side of a bus five years ago

And what happens in the future will start with demands for border polls
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 10:15:39 PM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks"

Sid, stop fishing please. You’ve been shown up to be a supporter of violence and I’ve absolutely no respect for you regardless of your alleged ‘Change of heart’
I respect you, that's the difference

But your type of sneering and the sneering of others here at "free staters" is why we'll never have a united Ireland

And maybe we should never want one

If this forum is anything to go by, northern Catholics have a lot more in common with their northern Protestant brethren than they do with people in the Republic

No, each day you become a bigger troll and it’s what drives you. Your views have been shown up to be hypocritical at best, based on your previous affiliation with SF. You’ve no respect.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 10:15:54 PM
You can guarantee if we had 5 nights of rioting in nationalist areas with SF or the SDLP doing nothing to calm tensions down that the PSNI would have been rolled in to bring it to an end. You'd have had the Unionist politicians screaming for the army to be sent in.

Everyone is tip toeing around this now.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 10:18:30 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

That's the type of solidarity northern nationalists have come to expect from the Free State sadly.

When it's election time we have FFG politicians cynically playing victims of the troubles for a tune.

When widespread loyalist violence grips Belfast and other areas for nearly a full week now, they keep their mouths shut and stay quiet.

Not a peep from Westminister or Dublin at this time.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 10:18:53 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

The south won’t  see it or like before have minimal troubles. It’s people in interface areas that will bear the brunt of the violence and death.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 10:19:58 PM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks"

Sid, stop fishing please. You’ve been shown up to be a supporter of violence and I’ve absolutely no respect for you regardless of your alleged ‘Change of heart’
I respect you, that's the difference

But your type of sneering and the sneering of others here at "free staters" is why we'll never have a united Ireland

And maybe we should never want one

If this forum is anything to go by, northern Catholics have a lot more in common with their northern Protestant brethren than they do with people in the Republic

No, each day you become a bigger troll and it’s what drives you. Your views have been shown up to be hypocritical at best, based on your previous affiliation with SF. You’ve no respect.
With respect, you need to look up what hypocrisy means, because it's clear you don't know

With all due respect
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on April 07, 2021, 10:20:44 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Sportacus on April 07, 2021, 10:24:51 PM
Can see the Executive falling shortly.

Angelo I’d agree with you on this one (normally I don’t heed a word of you lol).  It has no future and is on its last chance and last legs.  The whole thing is amateurish, they don’t like each other and it’s just generally unsustainable, just like NI itself. 

Those kids tonight are leaderless.  Can’t get over that petrol bomb being thrown into the bus, shocked by that to be honest.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 10:26:02 PM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks"

Sid, stop fishing please. You’ve been shown up to be a supporter of violence and I’ve absolutely no respect for you regardless of your alleged ‘Change of heart’
I respect you, that's the difference

But your type of sneering and the sneering of others here at "free staters" is why we'll never have a united Ireland

And maybe we should never want one

If this forum is anything to go by, northern Catholics have a lot more in common with their northern Protestant brethren than they do with people in the Republic

No, each day you become a bigger troll and it’s what drives you. Your views have been shown up to be hypocritical at best, based on your previous affiliation with SF. You’ve no respect.
With respect, you need to look up what hypocrisy means, because it's clear you don't know

With all due respect

Aye,  but whatabout...
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 07, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

What a load of horseshit.

I honestly think that the tweet from foster has the potential to collapse the executive. It is that bad.

There is just no political leadership in unionism at all. Watching yobs sprint down the street cheered on by adults is truly pathetic. At least some of the adults were wearing masks :o
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 07, 2021, 10:29:23 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Louther on April 07, 2021, 10:30:02 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

That's the type of solidarity northern nationalists have come to expect from the Free State sadly.

When it's election time we have FFG politicians cynically playing victims of the troubles for a tune.

When widespread loyalist violence grips Belfast and other areas for nearly a full week now, they keep their mouths shut and stay quiet.

Not a peep from Westminister or Dublin at this time.

Would you give the self pity and finger pointing a rest. Vast majority are condemning what’s happening and the comments of the supposed leader of the North.

If a poster gives their opinion on what their view is, accept it and at least try and imagine how some people will see it.

If the leader of the North’s only comment is to throw loaded comments at the people she is suppose to be leading the country with, that what chance does any one in Dublin, London or Timbuktu have any influence on.

At this time Mary Lou has not tweeted on it either. Maybe her twitter handler in Serbia has gone to bed.

Arlenes first reaction was to throw shade at SF. Angelo, or whatever alias you using on this and other boards (from the large Tyrone Italian Celtic, Roma and Nadal supporting community), first reaction is throw shade at Dublin and “free staters”.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Tubberman on April 07, 2021, 10:33:16 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.

No embarrassmemt in stating what?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 07, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Putting the blame onto loyalist youths and SF is taking the focus away from where it truly lies. Political unionism who have poured petrol onto the fire incessantly for weeks on end aided by shock jock Nolan have a lot to answer for.

They will now likely go into self preservation mode but the damage has been done. Loyalist gangs would appear to be the official representatives of unionism at the minute. The DUP should be on the streets attempting to engage with these people but we know that this won’t happen. They are merely pawns to be used by them in a political game of chess.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 10:40:51 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

That's the type of solidarity northern nationalists have come to expect from the Free State sadly.

When it's election time we have FFG politicians cynically playing victims of the troubles for a tune.

When widespread loyalist violence grips Belfast and other areas for nearly a full week now, they keep their mouths shut and stay quiet.

Not a peep from Westminister or Dublin at this time.

Would you give the self pity and finger pointing a rest. Vast majority are condemning what’s happening and the comments of the supposed leader of the North.

If a poster gives their opinion on what their view is, accept it and at least try and imagine how some people will see it.

If the leader of the North’s only comment is to throw loaded comments at the people she is suppose to be leading the country with, that what chance does any one in Dublin, London or Timbuktu have any influence on.

At this time Mary Lou has not tweeted on it either. Maybe her twitter handler in Serbia has gone to bed.

Arlenes first reaction was to throw shade at SF. Angelo, or whatever alias you using on this and other boards (from the large Tyrone Italian Celtic, Roma and Nadal supporting community), first reaction is throw shade at Dublin and “free staters”.

Aye. The same posters who will stick their oar in and have their say on northern matters are the ones who want to own government to sit back and stay quiet when the thing is in real danger of kicking off into something very serious.

Take a hike and bring your sanctimony with you.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: labane1917 on April 07, 2021, 10:42:00 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

That's the type of solidarity northern nationalists have come to expect from the Free State sadly.

When it's election time we have FFG politicians cynically playing victims of the troubles for a tune.

When widespread loyalist violence grips Belfast and other areas for nearly a full week now, they keep their mouths shut and stay quiet.

Not a peep from Westminister or Dublin at this time.
On another forum, under your Fulvio From Aughnacloy user name, you're laughing at tonight's attack, with some homophobia thrown in for good measure...


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 07, 2021, 10:43:01 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.

No embarrassmemt in stating what?
Using this as a reason to vote against an UI. You would have thought this would have shown how unworkable The North is. But if people are using this to justify voting against a UI, then they are turning their back on Irish people again. It’s not a thought process I’d respect.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 07, 2021, 10:45:34 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

That's the type of solidarity northern nationalists have come to expect from the Free State sadly.

When it's election time we have FFG politicians cynically playing victims of the troubles for a tune.

When widespread loyalist violence grips Belfast and other areas for nearly a full week now, they keep their mouths shut and stay quiet.

Not a peep from Westminister or Dublin at this time.
On another forum, under your Fulvio From Aughnacloy user name, you're laughing at tonight's attack, with some homophobia thrown in for good measure...




The gay buses remark is a reference to Sammy Wilson of the DUP calling them that when they were changed to pink.

I can see his point has went woosh over your head.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 10:47:20 PM
Putting the blame onto loyalist youths and SF is taking the focus away from where it truly lies. Political unionism who have poured petrol onto the fire incessantly for weeks on end aided by shock jock Nolan have a lot to answer for.

They will now likely go into self preservation mode but the damage has been done. Loyalist gangs would appear to be the official representatives of unionism at the minute. The DUP should be on the streets attempting to engage with these people but we know that this won’t happen. They are merely pawns to be used by them in a political game of chess.

You won't see any DUP/UUP reps down there trying to quell this. Stokes it up from afar where it doesn't bother them or their lives.

The mentality of working class loyalists to consistently return DUP/UUP politicians who have nothing but contempt for them really beggars belief.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 10:49:19 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.

No embarrassmemt in stating what?
Using this as a reason to vote against an UI. You would have thought this would have shown how unworkable The North is. But if people are using this to justify voting against a UI, then they are turning their back on Irish people again. It’s not a thought process I’d respect.
It's up to Northern Irish Irish nationalists to make a constructive case to persuade people in Ireland to vote for a unified state

So far those in Northern Ireland who are most vocal in favour of a united Ireland are doing a very bad job of that

Maybe the best thing you could do is to shut up and let Northern Irish British Unionists continue to make fools of themselves
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: labane1917 on April 07, 2021, 10:53:21 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

That's the type of solidarity northern nationalists have come to expect from the Free State sadly.

When it's election time we have FFG politicians cynically playing victims of the troubles for a tune.

When widespread loyalist violence grips Belfast and other areas for nearly a full week now, they keep their mouths shut and stay quiet.

Not a peep from Westminister or Dublin at this time.
On another forum, under your Fulvio From Aughnacloy user name, you're laughing at tonight's attack, with some homophobia thrown in for good measure...




The gay buses remark is a reference to Sammy Wilson of the DUP calling them that when they were changed to pink.

I can see his point has went woosh over your head.
Let Angelo (Il Bomber Destro) speak for himself...


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 07, 2021, 10:56:39 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.

No embarrassmemt in stating what?
Using this as a reason to vote against an UI. You would have thought this would have shown how unworkable The North is. But if people are using this to justify voting against a UI, then they are turning their back on Irish people again. It’s not a thought process I’d respect.
It's up to Northern Irish Irish nationalists to make a constructive case to persuade people in Ireland to vote for a unified state

So far those in Northern Ireland who are most vocal in favour of a united Ireland are doing a very bad job of that

Maybe the best thing you could do is to shut up and let Northern Irish British Unionists continue to make fools of themselves
Sid there was a time I would have debated this with you, but whatever has happened you over the last few months I have little interest. You’ve turned completely antagonistic and have dropped into the same zone as Anglo in just making posts to get into a row. I’ll politely leave it at that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 11:01:14 PM
Nice that Sid has started with his burner account now.


I guess being outed as a raging hypocrite and removed of any credibility to his posturing must have triggered his latest episode.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: labane1917 on April 07, 2021, 11:03:23 PM
Are you in the DUP, Angelo?




Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 11:04:47 PM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.

No embarrassmemt in stating what?
Using this as a reason to vote against an UI. You would have thought this would have shown how unworkable The North is. But if people are using this to justify voting against a UI, then they are turning their back on Irish people again. It’s not a thought process I’d respect.
It's up to Northern Irish Irish nationalists to make a constructive case to persuade people in Ireland to vote for a unified state

So far those in Northern Ireland who are most vocal in favour of a united Ireland are doing a very bad job of that

Maybe the best thing you could do is to shut up and let Northern Irish British Unionists continue to make fools of themselves
Sid there was a time I would have debated this with you, but whatever has happened you over the last few months I have little interest. You’ve turned completely antagonistic and have dropped into the same zone as Anglo in just making posts to get into a row. I’ll politely leave it at that.
A lot of northern posters here have turned very antagonistic

I wonder why that is

Perhaps its because they see their rank hypocrisy exposed at every turn and are seething

Keep it up

I did like the Freudian slip there about another poster

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: labane1917 on April 07, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
Another beauty from Angelo...and there are plenty more where that came from...Sammy Wilson and Gregory Campbell would welcome him into the DUP with open arms...not in a gay way you understand?!




Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 11:16:49 PM
Knock it off Labane1917, this is very petty
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on April 07, 2021, 11:20:41 PM
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Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 07, 2021, 11:23:24 PM
Given the reaction to the Arlene Foster tweet I wonder if this will end up defining her leadership. It will no doubt go down alongside the crocodile statement but she has shown a consistent propensity for a severe lack of self awareness.

It will be very interesting to see if she will now meet with the head of the police whose head she has called for on a plate.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: labane1917 on April 07, 2021, 11:24:01 PM
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No condemnation of Angelo's homophobia? Are you happy to see these sort of views associated with the Republican movement?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2021, 11:26:44 PM
The state of these posts, even more embarrassing if true
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: labane1917 on April 07, 2021, 11:34:08 PM
Hmmmm....seems we've had an Il Bomber Destro on this forum before...he curiously stopped posting at the end of 2018 before Angelo suddenly appeared early in 2019...I wonder are their posting styles similar...?

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Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on April 07, 2021, 11:47:05 PM
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No condemnation of Angelo's homophobia? Are you happy to see these sort of views associated with the Republican movement?

If you personally do think angelo is the same person as is posting homophobic tripe on another forum, kindly clear off and deal with it on that other forum and stop polluting this one. You clearly joined this forum purely to amtagonise someone. Go away.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 07, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
None of the English papers mention what happened in Belfast on their covers

To them it's as if what happened never happened at all

How do NI Irish nationalists feel about this?

Are yis feeling left out in the cold as in "the English don't give a toss about us, it's disgraceful" or chuffed as in "the English don't give a toss about us, it's great!"?

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on April 07, 2021, 11:52:53 PM
Seems the fight is against bus drivers now! Hopefully that driver survives that petrol bomb attack on him.

Be interesting to hear Sammy, Gregory, Jeffery and Arlene on this one

You can guess who's fault it is ....



Pathetic from Foster.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on April 08, 2021, 12:03:22 AM
Seems the fight is against bus drivers now! Hopefully that driver survives that petrol bomb attack on him.

Be interesting to hear Sammy, Gregory, Jeffery and Arlene on this one

You can guess who's fault it is ....



Pathetic from Foster.
A tweet 'liked' by Neale Richmond and swiftly 'unliked' when the backlash started.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: general_lee on April 08, 2021, 12:11:11 AM
Unionism really is on its knees.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 08, 2021, 12:30:17 AM
the sick counties are beyond repair at this stage
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: red hander on April 08, 2021, 12:55:16 AM
None of the English papers mention what happened in Belfast on their covers

To them it's as if what happened never happened at all

How do NI Irish nationalists feel about this?

Are yis feeling left out in the cold as in "the English don't give a toss about us, it's disgraceful" or chuffed as in "the English don't give a toss about us, it's great!"?

What's an 'NI' Irish nationalist?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: 6th sam on April 08, 2021, 01:11:19 AM
Seems the fight is against bus drivers now! Hopefully that driver survives that petrol bomb attack on him.

Be interesting to hear Sammy, Gregory, Jeffery and Arlene on this one

You can guess who's fault it is ....



Pathetic from Foster.

Im sure you can appreciate what we have to deal with Rossfan, that’s “our leader” and a Soliciter, who obviously  thinks that those torching a bus with driver inside are not the “real law breakers “ .
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Eire90 on April 08, 2021, 05:26:05 AM
english brexiteers do not care
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Eire90 on April 08, 2021, 06:32:46 AM
There a whatsapp message and call to arms to march into west belfast friday  night.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Tubberman on April 08, 2021, 06:39:40 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.

No embarrassmemt in stating what?
Using this as a reason to vote against an UI. You would have thought this would have shown how unworkable The North is. But if people are using this to justify voting against a UI, then they are turning their back on Irish people again. It’s not a thought process I’d respect.

Exactly, it shows how bad things remain between the communities in the north. Like it or not, if people were asked to vote on a UI, they would ask themselves "will we be able to manage the loyalists if they kick off.in an even bigger way?" , "do we want the likes of Arlene Foster poisoning the politiical institutions?"
Anyway, now is probably not the time - my post was a bit antagonistic when feelings must be quite high.
I still can't believe Arlene Foster put out that tweet - what absolutely pathetic leadership, and surely just causes further resentment and division. If she had the humility to look at her role in provoking the rioting, she'd be ashamed (or would she?).
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tonto1888 on April 08, 2021, 06:46:17 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.

As long as you're alright, Jack.
And no embarrassment in stating if either. Sad to see but we should expect no better.

No embarrassmemt in stating what?
Using this as a reason to vote against an UI. You would have thought this would have shown how unworkable The North is. But if people are using this to justify voting against a UI, then they are turning their back on Irish people again. It’s not a thought process I’d respect.

Exactly, it shows how bad things remain between the communities in the north. Like it or not, if people were asked to vote on a UI, they would ask themselves "will we be able to manage the loyalists if they kick off.in an even bigger way?" , "do we want the likes of Arlene Foster poisoning the politiical institutions?"
Anyway, now is probably not the time - my post was a bit antagonistic when feelings must be quite high.
I still can't believe Arlene Foster put out that tweet - what absolutely pathetic leadership, and surely just causes further resentment and division. If she had the humility to look at her role in provoking the rioting, she'd be ashamed (or would she?).

If there is a UI, Foster will be away to England.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Eire90 on April 08, 2021, 06:49:59 AM
would people in the south even vote for a UI because in the lead up to the vote the loyalists will go on the rampage for weeks and then southerners maybe be like its not worth it we dont want a UI because there wil be a loyalists insurgency .
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Eire90 on April 08, 2021, 06:51:13 AM
Could stormont be collapsed by end of the day.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 07:18:28 AM
would people in the south even vote for a UI because in the lead up to the vote the loyalists will go on the rampage for weeks and then southerners maybe be like its not worth it we dont want a UI because there wil be a loyalists insurgency .

It's the type of solidarity northern nationalists have long expected from the free state sadly.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 08, 2021, 07:30:48 AM
You read some of the rhetoric on Twitter etc. There are genuinely some people convinced that nationalists get preferential treatment by the psni. You couldn’t make that shit up.

On the bus thing I really hope they can find and prosecute the guy who did it. He should get a decent stint in jail fo that.

Stormont even more on it’s last legs now.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
the sick counties are beyond repair at this stage

Standard response from a turd.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Louther on April 08, 2021, 07:50:43 AM
Hmmmm....seems we've had an Il Bomber Destro on this forum before...he curiously stopped posting at the end of 2018 before Angelo suddenly appeared early in 2019...I wonder are their posting styles similar...?

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They are remarkably similar!

Angelo was first to start lifting posts from another forum on this board and looks like it’s come home to bite him. Classy posts.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: RedHand88 on April 08, 2021, 08:02:24 AM
Could stormont be collapsed by end of the day.

Unlikely. I dont think unionism is going to be putting their eggs in the direct rule basket anytime soon, given how they've been treated by them recently.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 08:28:02 AM
Hopefully calm heads prevail among whoever has sway in the nationalist areas. Let that other shower wreck what they like.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: imtommygunn on April 08, 2021, 08:42:20 AM
the sick counties are beyond repair at this stage

Standard response from a turd.

Without someone taking some leadership here I would be concerned by how this ends. Though maybe it will go like the flag protests.

Unionist leaders need to stand up however it is clear that isn't going to happen. Will community leaders start to do some leading? The speculation from what I can read is that the community leaders are the ones coordinating though that could be wrong.

What are the PSNI to do too. If they go wading in it will be made worse however there are people there who should do a good bit of time and obviously many who should be getting a criminal record. It will be interesting to see how they play it. I think more than people realise got records from the flag protests.

At current rate I could see someone ending up killed  :(
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 08:59:45 AM
would people in the south even vote for a UI because in the lead up to the vote the loyalists will go on the rampage for weeks and then southerners maybe be like its not worth it we dont want a UI because there wil be a loyalists insurgency .
Loyalist insurgency? A pile of children and scumbags running about who could all be lifted in 10 minutes if the police were any use.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on April 08, 2021, 09:14:58 AM
I thought Patrick Kielty called it correctly when he said that what happened tonight started with lies on the side of a bus five years ago

And what happens in the future will start with demands for border polls
No it isn't, that's the smokescreen, what it is about is the success the PSNI and the new border has had in stopping the flow of drugs to the UDA. You are either a troll or extremely ill-informed.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 09:25:31 AM
Could stormont be collapsed by end of the day.

Unlikely. I dont think unionism is going to be putting their eggs in the direct rule basket anytime soon, given how they've been treated by them recently.
But that was Sinn Feins fault the Tories hung them out to dry!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 09:30:04 AM
Arlene Foster is more interested in having a go at SF than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver

SF supporters are more interested in having a go at Arlene Foster than condemning the petrol bombing of a bus driver


Both sides are more interested in point scoring

Both as bad as each other - by their own logic - which only ever looks for "hypocrisy" in the "other side", which only ever looks to score points off the "other side", so as to drag public discourse into a terminal vortex of cynicism and negativity, which benefits extremists and wannabe dictators electorally

This attitude is epitomised by several posters here

Is it any wonder a growing amount of reasonable people in the Republic are thinking "we have a peaceful country - and we don't want any of you lot ruining it on us, so kindly f**k off with your border poll, thanks"
If this is your take on the whole thing, you’re as bad as Arlene- only interested in condemning SF.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on April 08, 2021, 09:32:19 AM
the sick counties are beyond repair at this stage

When was it any different?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 09:40:35 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Any of that shite could be sorted in 10 mins with a decent police force.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2021, 09:44:23 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Any of that shite could be sorted in 10 mins with a decent police force.

What do you want this decent police force to do?!

And remember how well using force and being heavy handed has been in the past
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Any of that shite could be sorted in 10 mins with a decent police force.

What do you want this decent police force to do?!

And remember how well using force and being heavy handed has been in the past
Machine guns like they were quick to trot out in Cross on Christmas day a few years ago? Seriously it can’t be that hard to lift the leaders. The dogs on the streets know who is behind this.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on April 08, 2021, 10:05:17 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Any of that shite could be sorted in 10 mins with a decent police force.

What do you want this decent police force to do?!

And remember how well using force and being heavy handed has been in the past
Machine guns like they were quick to trot out in Cross on Christmas day a few years ago? Seriously it can’t be that hard to lift the leaders. The dogs on the streets know who is behind this.

Internment 2021 style?

I think we all know that the PSNI know exactly who's the ringleaders in these areas as they're probably informants of one sort or another so a blind eye is turned pretty often to their deeds..

The head of the Guards also knows who they are. Maybe he'll give his colleague Simon Byrne a call..
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 10:05:33 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Any of that shite could be sorted in 10 mins with a decent police force.

What do you want this decent police force to do?!

And remember how well using force and being heavy handed has been in the past

Loyalist mobs are fully intent on now making this a sectarian battle with the nationalist interface communities. We've seen the messages sent out to organise attack on nationalist areas and to take the riots into West Belfast. We saw last night how they forced the gates open at Lanark Way.

Where were the PSNI to be seen? Surely their duty here is to protect nationalist areas who are not agitating for any of these sectarian street battles that loyalists want to engage in?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on April 08, 2021, 10:19:59 AM
More shameful reactions emanating from south of the border today. Fresh from Neale Richmond liking Arlene's tweet, this morning we had RTÉ platforming Gregory Campbell on 'Morning Ireland'. Not one single tough question was put to him. Just a series of softballs lobbed in for Gregory to use as an opportunity to rant about SF and Bobby Storey's funeral, followed by a direct question to him about the Bobby Storey funeral (just in case he didn't get talking about it enough by that stage).

My attention was brought to the "interview" by a Jude Collins blog, where he contrasted it to the interview of another DUP member (Gordon Lyons) by presenter Chris Buckler on BBC radio ulster this morning:

Quote
"The difference between the questions asked the responses produced was striking.

Gordon Lyons was asked about the fact that Arlene Foster had met with representatives of illegal loyalist groups such as the UDA and the UVF, and the fact that Arlene Foster had not met with and had no plans to meet with Simon Byrne, the Chief Constable of the PSNI. This, Mr Lyons tried and failed to explain away by saying something to the effect that the Chief Constable had not asked for a meeting.

He was also asked about Arlene Foster’s expression of dismay that rioting was occurring, while labelling Sinn Féin as “the real criminals” for attending the funeral of Bobby Storey.
Chris Buckler was tenacious and focused in pointing to the absurdity of a political leader who meets with representatives of illegal paramilitary organisations but doesn’t meet with the Chief Constable, and who looks at the Storey funeral and declares that to be where the ‘real criminality’ lies, rather than on the nightly assaults on the police and press by young people, with loyalist adults applauding their actions.

RTÉ, for reasons of its own, avoided any such hard questions and gave Gregory Campbell a clear run to air his indignation at the Chief Constable and at Sinn Féin. Is there any limit to RTÉ’s determination that unionist leaders are treated with the softest of kid gloves, while republican leaders get the knuckle-duster treatment?"

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Solo_run on April 08, 2021, 10:26:03 AM
Arlene going full on Trump
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Rossfan on April 08, 2021, 10:30:27 AM
She'll miss the soft chats with Tommy Gorman who never asked her a series question as he let her spout her blinkered bigoted 17th Century crap.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Tubberman on April 08, 2021, 10:36:02 AM
She'll miss the soft chats with Tommy Gorman who never asked her a series question as he let her spout her blinkered bigoted 17th Century crap.

Vincent Kearney does seem too hard hitting either, she won't be nervous going in to talk to him anyway!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: John Egans left boot on April 08, 2021, 10:49:35 AM
She'll miss the soft chats with Tommy Gorman who never asked her a series question as he let her spout her blinkered bigoted 17th Century crap.

Vincent Kearney does seem too hard hitting either, she won't be nervous going in to talk to him anyway!

Tommie Gorman gave great service to the national broadcaster but an absolute lacky to unionism if ever I saw one, the fact that AF was his major endorsement when he announced his retirement say it all. Plus he grew up in Sligo, not to many people involved in the conflict from their!! Vincent in direct contrast a completely different cup of tea altogether when he swings he will not miss!!
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Saffrongael on April 08, 2021, 10:52:55 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Any of that shite could be sorted in 10 mins with a decent police force.

What do you want this decent police force to do?!

And remember how well using force and being heavy handed has been in the past

Loyalist mobs are fully intent on now making this a sectarian battle with the nationalist interface communities. We've seen the messages sent out to organise attack on nationalist areas and to take the riots into West Belfast. We saw last night how they forced the gates open at Lanark Way.

Where were the PSNI to be seen? Surely their duty here is to protect nationalist areas who are not agitating for any of these sectarian street battles that loyalists want to engage in?

Unfortunately “nationalist” hoods then stood and bricked the PSNI for a good hour on the Springfield Rd (not Lanark Way) average age 15 going by the footage. Then gives way to the “they were at it too narrative”
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: BennyCake on April 08, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
No point in the PSNI quashing the violence. Sure that won’t have the desired affect. Nope, let the violence continue and change will come about from Loyalist threats and violence.

The DUP are delighted to see this violence. And those creating the violence are too stupid to know it was the DUP who are responsible for the current situation.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 10:54:59 AM
And some nordies wonder why not everyone in the south is unequivocally in favour of a UI!?
We're being given a small glimpse of what it could be like and it's not pretty.
Any of that shite could be sorted in 10 mins with a decent police force.

What do you want this decent police force to do?!

And remember how well using force and being heavy handed has been in the past

Loyalist mobs are fully intent on now making this a sectarian battle with the nationalist interface communities. We've seen the messages sent out to organise attack on nationalist areas and to take the riots into West Belfast. We saw last night how they forced the gates open at Lanark Way.

Where were the PSNI to be seen? Surely their duty here is to protect nationalist areas who are not agitating for any of these sectarian street battles that loyalists want to engage in?

Unfortunately “nationalist” hoods then stood and bricked the PSNI for a good hour on the Springfield Rd (not Lanark Way) average age 15 going by the footage. Then gives way to the “they were at it too narrative”

Where were the PSNI on Lanark Way? Nowhere to be seen.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 08, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
People (especially young people) are bored.

Something like this was inevitable in this place with the current restrictions. It made it too easy for the young lads to be talked into it by the cuter old foxes who have them running riot.

It's been played perfectly by the older generation who are sending the youth to cause chaos "for the cause". And now unfortunately that appears to be both sides.

Covid obviously has taken Easter Week off.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 08, 2021, 11:00:58 AM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

I think the actions of the DUP during the last week has blown their cover. They are attempting to use loyalists as cover to further their political aims. They will try and suck in nationalists to retaliate so that the the media report violence from both sides in the interest of 'balance'.

It can all be dated back to this meeting, would like to have been a fly on the wall there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56201532

   
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 11:06:04 AM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

 

Let's not forget Colum Eastwood and the SDLP being willing accomplices in that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 11:09:09 AM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 08, 2021, 11:15:50 AM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

 

Let's not forget Colum Eastwood and the SDLP being willing accomplices in that.

I think Eastwood made a mistake and fell for the sideshow simply to score some political points.

The fact that Unionists called for Simon Byrnes head just in advance of the rioting which has severely undermined policing and any possible response to the rioting, is also very suspicious. It was a disproportionate response over social distancing breaches and if they had any grievance then it should have been with the PPS or with SF themselves.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 11:19:04 AM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not
Really hope there is no retaliation and the cops can keep the Loyalists in their own ghettos.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Taylor on April 08, 2021, 11:24:32 AM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

I think the actions of the DUP during the last week has blown their cover. They are attempting to use loyalists as cover to further their political aims. They will try and suck in nationalists to retaliate so that the the media report violence from both sides in the interest of 'balance'.

It can all be dated back to this meeting, would like to have been a fly on the wall there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56201532

 

It may be easy for our side to see and say what the DUP are aiming for however this is not obvious for current DUP voters.

As long as the DUP continue blaming the other side they will retain their share of the vote and the status quo
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2021, 11:27:52 AM
I havent heard of one plastic bullet fired yet. My last serious riots were in 96 and 97, jesus they were pingin them at us in the 1000s, scared the feck out of me tbh, seen a lad with his face ripped from ear to mouth, held onto my PB all night, couldnt get anywhere near them at one stage they were firing them at our heads close range in Bogside and from roofs above us. Dermot McShane RIP died on third night. 



Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Orior on April 08, 2021, 11:29:23 AM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 08, 2021, 11:31:44 AM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

I think the actions of the DUP during the last week has blown their cover. They are attempting to use loyalists as cover to further their political aims. They will try and suck in nationalists to retaliate so that the the media report violence from both sides in the interest of 'balance'.

It can all be dated back to this meeting, would like to have been a fly on the wall there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56201532

 

It may be easy for our side to see and say what the DUP are aiming for however this is not obvious for current DUP voters.

As long as the DUP continue blaming the other side they will retain their share of the vote and the status quo

My guess would be that the DUP were taken into that meeting and told by the LCC what was going to happen. It's a case of the tail wagging the dog since Arlene Foster has not been in control of political unionism for some time now. You look at how these unelected Loyalists then wrote the letter to Boris Johnson. Remember at one point Arlene Foster spoke out in favour of the protocol but I think she was told in no uncertain terms by the real current leaders of unionism (the LCC) what to do with her protocol.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: thewobbler on April 08, 2021, 11:42:17 AM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

I think the actions of the DUP during the last week has blown their cover. They are attempting to use loyalists as cover to further their political aims. They will try and suck in nationalists to retaliate so that the the media report violence from both sides in the interest of 'balance'.

It can all be dated back to this meeting, would like to have been a fly on the wall there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56201532

 

I’m not sure about the use of “strategy” here.

Unionism’s single biggest problem is that their endgame isn’t just a pipe dream, it’s physically impossible. The things that would make them happy: British rule with highly conservative values, an endless supply of skilled manual labour jobs, and most importantly, a minority group in their region to tread upon at any given opportunity, would require a time machine and a return to circa 1950 or so.

As it’s not possible to devise a strategy to fulfil these wishes, anything they’re currently getting up to is little more than an attention seeking ploy.

Like the school bully with no friends, who has kind of realised everyone else in his class has got a little bigger and might swing back at him, they’re currently showing their strength by picking on those who won’t fight back. It’s little more than that. They don’t want an actual real fight, because if the bigger lads from the next form feel the need to step in, they’re probably going to take a proper hiding.



Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 11:46:17 AM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Applesisapples on April 08, 2021, 11:55:43 AM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not
You continue to troll and demonstrate your ignorance, congratulations.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: johnnycool on April 08, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: yellowcard on April 08, 2021, 11:57:34 AM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

I think the actions of the DUP during the last week has blown their cover. They are attempting to use loyalists as cover to further their political aims. They will try and suck in nationalists to retaliate so that the the media report violence from both sides in the interest of 'balance'.

It can all be dated back to this meeting, would like to have been a fly on the wall there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56201532

 

I’m not sure about the use of “strategy” here.

Unionism’s single biggest problem is that their endgame isn’t just a pipe dream, it’s physically impossible. The things that would make them happy: British rule with highly conservative values, an endless supply of skilled manual labour jobs, and most importantly, a minority group in their region to tread upon at any given opportunity, would require a time machine and a return to circa 1950 or so.

As it’s not possible to devise a strategy to fulfil these wishes, anything they’re currently getting up to is little more than an attention seeking ploy.

Like the school bully with no friends, who has kind of realised everyone else in his class has got a little bigger and might swing back at him, they’re currently showing their strength by picking on those who won’t fight back. It’s little more than that. They don’t want an actual real fight, because if the bigger lads from the next form feel the need to step in, they’re probably going to take a proper hiding.

In the sense that they are devoid of any long term strategy I agree totally. The very visible brand of Ulster Loyalism which is setting the agenda for them at present is as alien to much of Britain (whom they cling dearly to) as it is Ireland. It's a mindset deeply ingrained within much of the Ulster Unionism psyche, this need to exert dominance and superiority. Due to a change in demographics the state is no longer providing them with this security to rule in the way that they want and they are lashing out. 

To any outsider looking in it must seem bizarre to witness the scenes of the last week. It is 17th century stuff. Masked men parading in streets holding flags, beating drums and blowing flutes and then sending youths out to protest & riot against the police whom they have turned into the temporary bogeymen. Its mindless stuff but they just go deeper down the rabbit hole.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 12:03:02 PM
I had a listen to the Nolan show on Radio Ulster this morning

My mind was a blizzard of a combination of all three of these sketches, and it was hard to think of the callers as anything other than parodies of Give My Head Peace characters, who were themselves parodies

With the exception of Brian in Fermanagh, who made a lot of sense and who I later found out is a Green Party councillor

Need more people like Brian

https://twitter.com/jmgvostpt/status/1357261872609828869

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i6B7JsZFHk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l4JA4C3Qis

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 12:17:43 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement




A doozy.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 12:18:12 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement




A doozy.
Brilliant.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
You’re nothing other than a troll or WUM, with your previous loyalty to SF and now your attacks on here at every opportunity shows you up as a clown.

Can’t take anything you say with any seriousness. How you keep going after being shown up is embarrassing in fairness.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 08, 2021, 12:23:20 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 12:24:13 PM
It looks increasingly like this is all part of an orchestrated political strategy, stoke the flames, build the rhetoric but keep enough distance so that you can plead ignorance. The row over social distancing breaches at a funeral 9 months ago provided them with some political cover but it was simply a smokescreen for their true objective.

I think the actions of the DUP during the last week has blown their cover. They are attempting to use loyalists as cover to further their political aims. They will try and suck in nationalists to retaliate so that the the media report violence from both sides in the interest of 'balance'.

It can all be dated back to this meeting, would like to have been a fly on the wall there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56201532

 

I’m not sure about the use of “strategy” here.

Unionism’s single biggest problem is that their endgame isn’t just a pipe dream, it’s physically impossible. The things that would make them happy: British rule with highly conservative values, an endless supply of skilled manual labour jobs, and most importantly, a minority group in their region to tread upon at any given opportunity, would require a time machine and a return to circa 1950 or so.

As it’s not possible to devise a strategy to fulfil these wishes, anything they’re currently getting up to is little more than an attention seeking ploy.

Like the school bully with no friends, who has kind of realised everyone else in his class has got a little bigger and might swing back at him, they’re currently showing their strength by picking on those who won’t fight back. It’s little more than that. They don’t want an actual real fight, because if the bigger lads from the next form feel the need to step in, they’re probably going to take a proper hiding.

In the sense that they are devoid of any long term strategy I agree totally. The very visible brand of Ulster Loyalism which is setting the agenda for them at present is as alien to much of Britain (whom they cling dearly to) as it is Ireland. It's a mindset deeply ingrained within much of the Ulster Unionism psyche, this need to exert dominance and superiority. Due to a change in demographics the state is no longer providing them with this security to rule in the way that they want and they are lashing out. 

To any outsider looking in it must seem bizarre to witness the scenes of the last week. It is 17th century stuff. Masked men parading in streets holding flags, beating drums and blowing flutes and then sending youths out to protest & riot against the police whom they have turned into the temporary bogeymen. Its mindless stuff but they just go deeper down the rabbit hole.

Ulster Loyalism is alien to most of Britain and yet at the same time its mindset isn't alien to much of it, there really isn't very much difference at all between it and Brexitism when you boil it down, and 17 million people voted for Brexit

The need to exert dominance over "the other" is for sure a cancer within most of British Unionism and Loyalism but nobody should think it doesn't exist within Irish Nationalism either, it absolutely does and we see it here on this forum on a regular basis

Both NI British Unionism and Loyalism and NI Irish Nationalism are bastard children, divorced in some ways from their mother countries yet in other ways still somehow an inextricable part of them

And permanently tethered to each other, like siamese twins attached at the head - and the arse



Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 12:26:14 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Jules on April 08, 2021, 12:29:20 PM
Never seen 2 guys who have been found out trying to cover their back so much, give up lads you’ve been busted - it’s like a tv mini series, think we’re onto series 28 at this stage.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 12:35:49 PM
Never seen 2 guys who have been found out trying to cover their back so much, give up lads you’ve been busted - it’s like a tv mini series, think we’re onto series 28 at this stage.
In fairness one is a whole lot worse than the other lately.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 12:53:06 PM

NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: seafoid on April 08, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"
Hard core Shinners from NI are no different to parrots who can't deviate  from ideology or the vocabulary even when it or they conflict with reality.

The situation is too.complex for ideology because it requires nuance and only Stoops can do that.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 08, 2021, 01:51:06 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"
Hard core Shinners from NI are no different to parrots who can't deviate  from ideology or the vocabulary even when it or they conflict with reality.

The situation is too.complex for ideology because it requires nuance and only Stoops can do that.
Ahhhh f**k. As if one long winded waffler wasn’t enough.

Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Snapchap on April 08, 2021, 02:40:59 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"
Hard core Shinners from NI are no different to parrots who can't deviate  from ideology or the vocabulary even when it or they conflict with reality.

The situation is too.complex for ideology because it requires nuance and only Stoops can do that.

Loyalists wrecking the place and your only contribution to the thread since last night has been to have a yap about SF. Yawn.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 02:42:57 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"
Hard core Shinners from NI are no different to parrots who can't deviate  from ideology or the vocabulary even when it or they conflict with reality.

The situation is too.complex for ideology because it requires nuance and only Stoops can do that.

Loyalists wrecking the place and your only contribution to the thread since last night has been to have a yap about SF. Yawn.
Leave Arlene alone.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: APM on April 08, 2021, 03:49:03 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

I'm a Northerner who doesn't insult people from the south.  I believe I have a reasonably sensible view of the situation here at the moment and can view and discuss it dispassionately.  There are some incredibly stupid narrow-minded views on this forum, but your view as expressed above is patronising and given some of your own comments I'm not sure how dispassionate you are yourself.  (It reminds me of a friend of mine who told us that he had the best taste in music and the rest of us, our musical tastes were shite  ;D). 

The circumstances we find ourselves in now are not really about nationalists. For much of it, northern nationalists have been open-mouthed observers of the DUP at the wheel of the slowest moving, highest impact car crash in the history of politics.  The current crisis all relates back to the DUP and its handling of Brexit.  There is lots of points scoring on this board and right across social media. Some people are getting exercised, others are having fun with it. In terms of peace, I see this as potentially the most dangerous time in northern politics since the mid-1990s and Drumcree. 

This is all about Brexit. The NI Protocol is the probably the greatest economic and constitutional change in NI since 1922. This outcome can be 90% laid at the door of the DUP and their decision making throughout the Brexit process.  The UK government is also to blame, but the DUP had a confidence and supply deal that should have given them the opportunity to press for a soft Brexit, which was clearly in their interest.  Instead, at every turn they pursued the hardest form of Brexit possible and placed their trust in Westminster politicians who betrayed them and prioritized the sovereignty of Great Britain at the expense of the integrity of the UK and NI's place in it. 

When the DUP say that they want rid of the protocol, they know that it isn't going anywhere.  The only alternative to it is even worse chaos, so it cannot be removed.  Yet they are not being honest with their constituents.  They should tell them this and explain why this outcome was inevitable.  However, instead, they are giving their constituents the impression that the protocol can be removed and I'm sure the comments of some representatives have encouraged street disturbances. This is extremely dangerous, precisely because there is little or no wriggle room and they are in a corner.

The only wriggle room there has been has been for the UK government to break the law and put derogations in place.  Needless to say, these did nothing to quell the political opposition, but they have quietened much of the business opposition. Where many unionists and loyalists are against the protocol is on the principal (very high-level) of sovereignty and they do not necessarily understand or care that these easements resolve business issues.  They want rid of the sea border, full stop. 

What many unionists may not appreciate, is that the less the EU can rely on the UK to mind their backdoor in Belfast and Larne, the greater the motivation for a United Ireland in Europe (to maintain the integrity of the single market) and in Ireland (to protect their place in the Single Market). Therefore it is in unionists' interest to have the protocol implemented legally, but to the benefit of NI business, which it clearly could be. 

Throughout the Brexit process, unionism has made one mistake after another because they have been unable to think strategically.  Now they are not behaving responsibly and are trying desperately to hold on to support by playing to the extremes using disingenuous arguments. 

If the situation continues to boil over, it will be northerners who have to clean up the mess, worry about their families and live with the madness.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Itchy on April 08, 2021, 03:55:48 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement




A doozy.

Is this the same guy? Where did this post come from? Reminds me of a broken marriage, he was in love at the start but when it broke up he became very very bitter indeed and even though he cant have her he gets very angry if anyone else loves her instead ;)
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 04:10:52 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement




A doozy.

Is this the same guy? Where did this post come from? Reminds me of a broken marriage, he was in love at the start but when it broke up he became very very bitter indeed and even though he cant have her he gets very angry if anyone else loves her instead ;)

Yep.

I've put a good few up already. He's basically done a complete 180 in the past 3/4 years and is now trying to revise history.

There's no sincerity and genuine feeling to what he says, it's just a stream of emotional and embittered ranting. When you take the credibility away from someone who wants to get up on their soapbox and lecture people then it makes them quite redundant. Sid should be taking himself to task before starting with anyone else on here.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Saffrongael on April 08, 2021, 04:15:31 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"
Hard core Shinners from NI are no different to parrots who can't deviate  from ideology or the vocabulary even when it or they conflict with reality.

The situation is too.complex for ideology because it requires nuance and only Stoops can do that.

Loyalists wrecking the place and your only contribution to the thread since last night has been to have a yap about SF. Yawn.

Our own lads took a go at it too on the Springfield Rd
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 08, 2021, 04:18:00 PM
Sean Murray being pictured at it was just what one side needed to fuel the whole thing.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: tiempo on April 08, 2021, 04:18:29 PM
I'm a Northerner who doesn't insult people from the south.  I believe I have a reasonably sensible view of the situation here at the moment and can view and discuss it dispassionately.  There are some incredibly stupid narrow-minded views on this forum, but your view as expressed above is patronising and given some of your own comments I'm not sure how dispassionate you are yourself.  (It reminds me of a friend of mine who told us that he had the best taste in music and the rest of us, our musical tastes were shite  ;D). 

The circumstances we find ourselves in now are not really about nationalists. For much of it, northern nationalists have been open-mouthed observers of the DUP at the wheel of the slowest moving, highest impact car crash in the history of politics.  The current crisis all relates back to the DUP and its handling of Brexit.  There is lots of points scoring on this board and right across social media. Some people are getting exercised, others are having fun with it. In terms of peace, I see this as potentially the most dangerous time in northern politics since the mid-1990s and Drumcree. 

This is all about Brexit. The NI Protocol is the probably the greatest economic and constitutional change in NI since 1922. This outcome can be 90% laid at the door of the DUP and their decision making throughout the Brexit process.  The UK government is also to blame, but the DUP had a confidence and supply deal that should have given them the opportunity to press for a soft Brexit, which was clearly in their interest.  Instead, at every turn they pursued the hardest form of Brexit possible and placed their trust in Westminster politicians who betrayed them and prioritized the sovereignty of Great Britain at the expense of the integrity of the UK and NI's place in it. 

When the DUP say that they want rid of the protocol, they know that it isn't going anywhere.  The only alternative to it is even worse chaos, so it cannot be removed.  Yet they are not being honest with their constituents.  They should tell them this and explain why this outcome was inevitable.  However, instead, they are giving their constituents the impression that the protocol can be removed and I'm sure the comments of some representatives have encouraged street disturbances. This is extremely dangerous, precisely because there is little or no wriggle room and they are in a corner.

The only wriggle room there has been has been for the UK government to break the law and put derogations in place.  Needless to say, these did nothing to quell the political opposition, but they have quietened much of the business opposition. Where many unionists and loyalists are against the protocol is on the principal (very high-level) of sovereignty and they do not necessarily understand or care that these easements resolve business issues.  They want rid of the sea border, full stop. 

What many unionists may not appreciate, is that the less the EU can rely on the UK to mind their backdoor in Belfast and Larne, the greater the motivation for a United Ireland in Europe (to maintain the integrity of the single market) and in Ireland (to protect their place in the Single Market). Therefore it is in unionists' interest to have the protocol implemented legally, but to the benefit of NI business, which it clearly could be. 

Throughout the Brexit process, unionism has made one mistake after another because they have been unable to think strategically.  Now they are not behaving responsibly and are trying desperately to hold on to support by playing to the extremes using disingenuous arguments. 

If the situation continues to boil over, it will be northerners who have to clean up the mess, worry about their families and live with the madness.

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Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 04:20:24 PM
Are you having another nervous breakdown, Angelo?

Sure seems like it

Tell us all about that homophobia and anti-Semitism by you that that other poster put up?  ;D

You really hate the gays and the Jews, don't you!

I wonder what the reason for that is... ;D




Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Armagh18 on April 08, 2021, 04:21:01 PM
I'm a Northerner who doesn't insult people from the south.  I believe I have a reasonably sensible view of the situation here at the moment and can view and discuss it dispassionately.  There are some incredibly stupid narrow-minded views on this forum, but your view as expressed above is patronising and given some of your own comments I'm not sure how dispassionate you are yourself.  (It reminds me of a friend of mine who told us that he had the best taste in music and the rest of us, our musical tastes were shite  ;D). 

The circumstances we find ourselves in now are not really about nationalists. For much of it, northern nationalists have been open-mouthed observers of the DUP at the wheel of the slowest moving, highest impact car crash in the history of politics.  The current crisis all relates back to the DUP and its handling of Brexit.  There is lots of points scoring on this board and right across social media. Some people are getting exercised, others are having fun with it. In terms of peace, I see this as potentially the most dangerous time in northern politics since the mid-1990s and Drumcree. 

This is all about Brexit. The NI Protocol is the probably the greatest economic and constitutional change in NI since 1922. This outcome can be 90% laid at the door of the DUP and their decision making throughout the Brexit process.  The UK government is also to blame, but the DUP had a confidence and supply deal that should have given them the opportunity to press for a soft Brexit, which was clearly in their interest.  Instead, at every turn they pursued the hardest form of Brexit possible and placed their trust in Westminster politicians who betrayed them and prioritized the sovereignty of Great Britain at the expense of the integrity of the UK and NI's place in it. 

When the DUP say that they want rid of the protocol, they know that it isn't going anywhere.  The only alternative to it is even worse chaos, so it cannot be removed.  Yet they are not being honest with their constituents.  They should tell them this and explain why this outcome was inevitable.  However, instead, they are giving their constituents the impression that the protocol can be removed and I'm sure the comments of some representatives have encouraged street disturbances. This is extremely dangerous, precisely because there is little or no wriggle room and they are in a corner.

The only wriggle room there has been has been for the UK government to break the law and put derogations in place.  Needless to say, these did nothing to quell the political opposition, but they have quietened much of the business opposition. Where many unionists and loyalists are against the protocol is on the principal (very high-level) of sovereignty and they do not necessarily understand or care that these easements resolve business issues.  They want rid of the sea border, full stop. 

What many unionists may not appreciate, is that the less the EU can rely on the UK to mind their backdoor in Belfast and Larne, the greater the motivation for a United Ireland in Europe (to maintain the integrity of the single market) and in Ireland (to protect their place in the Single Market). Therefore it is in unionists' interest to have the protocol implemented legally, but to the benefit of NI business, which it clearly could be. 

Throughout the Brexit process, unionism has made one mistake after another because they have been unable to think strategically.  Now they are not behaving responsibly and are trying desperately to hold on to support by playing to the extremes using disingenuous arguments. 

If the situation continues to boil over, it will be northerners who have to clean up the mess, worry about their families and live with the madness.

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Post of the year.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 04:22:47 PM
FAO of Snapchap: Are you calling for Angelo to be banned?

If not, why not?

Because you were calling for that other poster to be banned last night for putting up pictures from another forum, so clearly you consider such to be out of bounds

Now, walk the walk and call for Angelo to be banned  ;D



Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: bannside on April 08, 2021, 04:34:21 PM
A friend phoned me to say he was working beside Lanark Way (on the Shankill Side) when 2 carloads of adult heavies appeared to tell the business to close immediately, vacate the area. About 1.30pm today. Looks like there is a clear plan to escalate rioting and unrest in a big way tonight and over the next few days.

Dozens of businesses were being "advised" to close by these bullies.

Surely the police know about this now, well in advance of what will unfold tonight. Nothing "sporadic" about what's going on...this is an unadulterated properly orchestrated show of menace from loyalist paramilitaries that is being allowed to unfold in daylight without any resistance from the so called authorities.

Time for nationalist community leaders to demonstrate a dignified response by showing it can actually control their areas. Maintain the moral upper hand and do not fall for the trap of contributing to the mayhem, because that is exactly what their plan is.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 04:37:02 PM
Thought Shinners would have welcomed the violence last night

Shure didn't they do that for 30 years!

Lots of Twitter talk of retaliations tonight

Seems like there could be a serious escalation

Hopefully not

Is there a whatabouttery award thread? I nominate this post.
Shinners have engaged in whataboutery for their entire existence

Arlene Foster's tactic last night was straight out of the Sinn Fein playbook

You'd think NI Irish nationalists would applaud NI British Unionist adoption of SF tactics, it's a compliment if anything - Unionists see how SF tactics have dragged public debate down into the gutter, and they want some of that

NI Irish nationalists certainly can't complain about that

The two sides are well matched

I just feel for the very large section of the NI community who don't want to be part of either "side"

The solution is to get rid of both the DUP and SF through the ballot box and elect reasonable people rather than two parties who groom vulnerable working class youth into criminality, who act like vultures on their communities

That's a certainly skewed outlook on what has happened in the past up here but not surprising. I really don't know where to start.

That must have been some bang on the head you received back in the day.
My take is straight down the line

Northerners insulting people from the Republic has become a common sight on this forum of late, so thanks again for the latest installment of that

For a long time I've warned that rabble rousing for a border poll will cause nothing but trouble in NI

This is continuously disputed by most NI Irish nationalists on this forum, who have consistently underestimated the potential for violence and seem to exist in a fantasy world where NI British Loyalists and Unionists will simply suck it up and take it

And obviously DUP and Loyalist rabble rousing will cause nothing but trouble, like, duh

The thing that annoys a lot of NI Irish nationalists is that reasonable people from the Republic with an interest in the situation in NI can generally read it a lot better than most NI Irish nationalists - because we can sit back and observe with a degree of dispassion and actually see what's going on, whereas a lot of youse can't see the wood for the trees - too much emotional investment, siloed lives, existing in echo chambers, it tends to cloud judgement

Poor Sid suffers from a real superiority complex. We know better than you.  A year ago his posts, while wafflely in the extreme,  used to hold some valid points. Of late, he just wants to get into a row. Very like the callers to Nolan.
NI based posters here continually exhibit a superiority complex

Like bald men boasting they've found a comb

"Youse in the Free State have no right to an opinion but you've also no right to not have an opinion which doesn't tally exactly with mine"
Hard core Shinners from NI are no different to parrots who can't deviate  from ideology or the vocabulary even when it or they conflict with reality.

The situation is too.complex for ideology because it requires nuance and only Stoops can do that.
Ahhhh f**k. As if one long winded waffler wasn’t enough.

Enough about Shinners reading Irish language words they don't understand which have been spelled out phonetically for them to read at the start of speeches

Curry my yoghurt, a koyrjeh, iss moy lum colleen bonya
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2021, 04:37:43 PM
A friend phoned me to say he was working beside Lanark Way (on the Shankill Side) when 2 carloads of adult heavies appeared to tell the business to close immediately, vacate the area. About 1.30pm today. Looks like there is a clear plan to escalate rioting and unrest in a big way tonight and over the next few days.

Dozens of businesses were being "advised" to close by these bullies.

Surely the police know about this now, well in advance of what will unfold tonight. Nothing "sporadic" about what's going on...this is an unadulterated properly orchestrated show of menace from loyalist paramilitaries that is being allowed to unfold in daylight without any resistance from the so called authorities.

Time for nationalist community leaders to demonstrate a dignified response by showing it can actually control their areas. Maintain the moral upper hand and do not fall for the trap of contributing to the mayhem, because that is exactly what their plan is.

If the residents from nationalist Springfield road come out then that’s all the fuel Arlene needs.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2021, 04:38:58 PM
A friend phoned me to say he was working beside Lanark Way (on the Shankill Side) when 2 carloads of adult heavies appeared to tell the business to close immediately, vacate the area. About 1.30pm today. Looks like there is a clear plan to escalate rioting and unrest in a big way tonight and over the next few days.

Dozens of businesses were being "advised" to close by these bullies.

Surely the police know about this now, well in advance of what will unfold tonight. Nothing "sporadic" about what's going on...this is an unadulterated properly orchestrated show of menace from loyalist paramilitaries that is being allowed to unfold in daylight without any resistance from the so called authorities.

Time for nationalist community leaders to demonstrate a dignified response by showing it can actually control their areas. Maintain the moral upper hand and do not fall for the trap of contributing to the mayhem, because that is exactly what their plan is.

Where will the PSNI be when it inevitably kicks off again and when these loyalist gangs come to interface areas trying to get things going?
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Eire90 on April 08, 2021, 04:40:41 PM
ive heard news of loyalists taking down a tri color in the small hours of the morning in a northern republican stronghold
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Hereiam on April 08, 2021, 04:42:05 PM
Wait till the marches get going this year....gona be a rough one.
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
A friend phoned me to say he was working beside Lanark Way (on the Shankill Side) when 2 carloads of adult heavies appeared to tell the business to close immediately, vacate the area. About 1.30pm today. Looks like there is a clear plan to escalate rioting and unrest in a big way tonight and over the next few days.

Dozens of businesses were being "advised" to close by these bullies.

Surely the police know about this now, well in advance of what will unfold tonight. Nothing "sporadic" about what's going on...this is an unadulterated properly orchestrated show of menace from loyalist paramilitaries that is being allowed to unfold in daylight without any resistance from the so called authorities.

Time for nationalist community leaders to demonstrate a dignified response by showing it can actually control their areas. Maintain the moral upper hand and do not fall for the trap of contributing to the mayhem, because that is exactly what their plan is.

Where will the PSNI be when it inevitably kicks off again and when these loyalist gangs come to interface areas trying to get things going?
Where will you be?

On the front lines being a "hero" like you fantasise about, or in your bedroom with a sock or writing about how much you hate the gays or desperately trawling through screenshots because you cant debate a point?  ;D

Now's your chance to be a hero

Don't let your community down!

Anything less and you're a hypocrite
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 08, 2021, 04:42:41 PM
Are you having another nervous breakdown, Angelo?

Sure seems like it

Tell us all about that homophobia and anti-Semitism by you that that other poster put up?  ;D

You really hate the gays and the Jews, don't you!

I wonder what the reason for that is... ;D



Sort this shite out @GAABoardMod5 - these 2 assholes have been polluting this place too long now and are making it unreadable.

The last 10 day ban you give them didn't sort out anything - it's made it worse - bin both of them the fuck off. 


Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: sid waddell on April 08, 2021, 04:43:58 PM
ive heard news of loyalists taking down a tri color in the small hours of the morning in a northern republican stronghold
Taking down themmuns' flegs in interface areas has always been a problem in NI

Sure the Tyrone and Armagh ones were demons for it in '03
Title: Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Fleg Lives Matter
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on April 08, 2021, 04:44:55 PM