Premier League 20/21

[laoislad]

Of course that stat isn't in anyway skewed because of the ridiculous amount of points Liverpool won last season, feck sure it could be even more skewed if Liverpool hadn't played the remaining of the season hungover after they won it.

It's just a pity they are also playing this season still hungover (said it before someone else did!) 

[manfromdelmonte]

Roy Keane not holding back

What's he saying?

Don't forget in December he said city had no chance of winning the league

along the lines of; all they do is make excuses, they've been bad champions, they didn't look to push on and try to retain it, happy patting themselves on the back and if they continue like this it'll be another 30 years before they win it again.

To be fair he is not far wrong with Liverpool. Worst defence of a PL ever.

I'd like to see the stats to back that up

As someone already said as recently as United's last title, they bottled their defence and came 8th the following season. So he's factually incorrect and was a poor attempt at a wind up

There's still plenty of time for them to achieve 9th place

[Maroon Manc]

Liverpool deserve some criticism although as funny as it is its well over the top, even with the injuries to the centre half's they should have more points.

Klopp must look at the way City have backed Pep enviously, he inherited a brilliant squad and still went out and spent nearly £800m on players. They've 2 top players for every position, spent over £500 along on keepers and defenders. Nobody else can cope with that.

Well done to Pep though, tactically they've changed and there system is less demanding on the players which off course is a huge benefit when there's games every days.

[Milltown Row2]

Liverpool deserve some criticism although as funny as it is its well over the top, even with the injuries to the centre half's they should have more points.

Klopp must look at the way City have backed Pep enviously, he inherited a brilliant squad and still went out and spent nearly £800m on players. They've 2 top players for every position, spent over £500 along on keepers and defenders. Nobody else can cope with that.

Well done to Pep though, tactically they've changed and there system is less demanding on the players which off course is a huge benefit when there's games every days.

In fairness to City also, some players forms have been through the roof lately, Foden, Stones and Gundogan have played at a higher tempo, they are driving on a team missing two top stars also..

Pep is in a good position with the money behind him in every club he's been involved with, lets see him at Newcastle with their budget or Brighton

[StPatsAbu]

Oddschecker EPL Outright best odds:

City 1/11
United 26/1
Liverpool 40/1

Some bookies should start paying out soon I'd imagine

[tonto1888]

Roy Keane not holding back

What's he saying?

Don't forget in December he said city had no chance of winning the league

along the lines of; all they do is make excuses, they've been bad champions, they didn't look to push on and try to retain it, happy patting themselves on the back and if they continue like this it'll be another 30 years before they win it again.

To be fair he is not far wrong with Liverpool. Worst defence of a PL ever.

I'd like to see the stats to back that up

Referring to this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1358482420115382272

And what does this prove

[GetOverTheBar]

Oddschecker EPL Outright best odds:

City 1/11
United 26/1
Liverpool 40/1

Some bookies should start paying out soon I'd imagine

Guardiola was written royally off in these pages, even so far back as a few months ago.

[johnnycool]

Liverpool deserve some criticism although as funny as it is its well over the top, even with the injuries to the centre half's they should have more points.

Klopp must look at the way City have backed Pep enviously, he inherited a brilliant squad and still went out and spent nearly £800m on players. They've 2 top players for every position, spent over £500 along on keepers and defenders. Nobody else can cope with that.

Well done to Pep though, tactically they've changed and there system is less demanding on the players which off course is a huge benefit when there's games every days.

In fairness to City also, some players forms have been through the roof lately, Foden, Stones and Gundogan have played at a higher tempo, they are driving on a team missing two top stars also..

Pep is in a good position with the money behind him in every club he's been involved with, lets see him at Newcastle with their budget or Brighton

Or Celtic.

[Maroon Manc]

Liverpool deserve some criticism although as funny as it is its well over the top, even with the injuries to the centre half's they should have more points.

Klopp must look at the way City have backed Pep enviously, he inherited a brilliant squad and still went out and spent nearly £800m on players. They've 2 top players for every position, spent over £500 along on keepers and defenders. Nobody else can cope with that.

Well done to Pep though, tactically they've changed and there system is less demanding on the players which off course is a huge benefit when there's games every days.

In fairness to City also, some players forms have been through the roof lately, Foden, Stones and Gundogan have played at a higher tempo, they are driving on a team missing two top stars also..

Pep is in a good position with the money behind him in every club he's been involved with, lets see him at Newcastle with their budget or Brighton

Or Celtic.

Peps probably had the strongest squad in Europe since he started out in management, he's had a lot going in his favour. I'd rate Klopp as the better manager.

[GetOverTheBar]

Liverpool deserve some criticism although as funny as it is its well over the top, even with the injuries to the centre half's they should have more points.

Klopp must look at the way City have backed Pep enviously, he inherited a brilliant squad and still went out and spent nearly £800m on players. They've 2 top players for every position, spent over £500 along on keepers and defenders. Nobody else can cope with that.

Well done to Pep though, tactically they've changed and there system is less demanding on the players which off course is a huge benefit when there's games every days.

In fairness to City also, some players forms have been through the roof lately, Foden, Stones and Gundogan have played at a higher tempo, they are driving on a team missing two top stars also..

Pep is in a good position with the money behind him in every club he's been involved with, lets see him at Newcastle with their budget or Brighton

Or Celtic.

Peps probably had the strongest squad in Europe since he started out in management, he's had a lot going in his favour. I'd rate Klopp as the better manager.

Still in the air, Klopp is now under real pressure and his team look out on their feet - he done the same at Dortmund too remember.

Can he adjust his tactics / team like Guardiola has or is it 100mph or nothing?

[J70]

Roy Keane not holding back

What's he saying?

Don't forget in December he said city had no chance of winning the league

along the lines of; all they do is make excuses, they've been bad champions, they didn't look to push on and try to retain it, happy patting themselves on the back and if they continue like this it'll be another 30 years before they win it again.

Sensible, reality-based stuff from Keane there.

which bit is he wrong about?

1. They've been devastated by injuries, which have had a major knock-on effect on the rest of the team. How would his United teams had faired if they played a season with himself and Paul Scoles playing centre of defense, while a succession of other midfielders also suffered lengthy absences?

2. Liverpool are just off two seasons where they maintained an insane rate of form, winning more than 30 games in each. There was bound to be a drop-off. Not even City could continue that into a third consecutive season.

3. What evidence is there that Liverpool were happy to rest on their laurels and make excuses?

Keano is Keano, a dream pundit for Sky Sports. Nobody can live with the standards he expects. He will tear into every team in rotation and poeple lap it up. Fans that are annoyed with him today were probably chuckling as he was ripping into United a few months back and vice versa by the way.

He's best treated as an entertaining sideshow ..

Always the voice of reason Boycey!

[J70]

Liverpool deserve some criticism although as funny as it is its well over the top, even with the injuries to the centre half's they should have more points.

Klopp must look at the way City have backed Pep enviously, he inherited a brilliant squad and still went out and spent nearly £800m on players. They've 2 top players for every position, spent over £500 along on keepers and defenders. Nobody else can cope with that.

Well done to Pep though, tactically they've changed and there system is less demanding on the players which off course is a huge benefit when there's games every days.

In fairness to City also, some players forms have been through the roof lately, Foden, Stones and Gundogan have played at a higher tempo, they are driving on a team missing two top stars also..

Pep is in a good position with the money behind him in every club he's been involved with, lets see him at Newcastle with their budget or Brighton

Or Celtic.

Peps probably had the strongest squad in Europe since he started out in management, he's had a lot going in his favour. I'd rate Klopp as the better manager.

Still in the air, Klopp is now under real pressure and his team look out on their feet - he done the same at Dortmund too remember.

Can he adjust his tactics / team like Guardiola has or is it 100mph or nothing?

He needs to start by getting a couple of centre backs into the team and restoring Henderson and Fabinho to midfield. They're losing the games anyway due to a complete lack of fluency in attack. It might take a month and a couple of defeats to bed everything in, but with most of the other teams also dropping points all over the place, its not as it they'd be 15 points off top 4 going into the last ten games.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

In actual fact, you don't even have to go as far back as United bottling it the year after they won it. Just LAST season, we were about 25 points clear of city at this stage, the year after they got almost 100 points. Mancs won't say that's the worst title defence will they though. And their reason was they had Laporte out, whereas we've playing playing the whole season with half a team and no CBs (and VAR). Given the circumstances Liverpool are doing quite well to be in contention for top 4.

[Taylor]

Pep has spent an insane amount of money however how he has been able to keep all players fresh, hungry and HAPPY is testament to him.

Obviously the CL is still the blot on the copybook but he will give it a big rattle this season.

Klopp is super when he has all players flying fit however question marks remain as to why he didnt build a squad rather than a first 11.

[J70]

Pep has spent an insane amount of money however how he has been able to keep all players fresh, hungry and HAPPY is testament to him.

Obviously the CL is still the blot on the copybook but he will give it a big rattle this season.

Klopp is super when he has all players flying fit however question marks remain as to why he didnt build a squad rather than a first 11.

Its clearly money. Liverpool can't afford world-class back-ups in most positions.

FSG want the club to be self-sustaining.

The Suarez and Coutinho money allowed them to build a top-two English (and arguably European) team under those conditions without having to cash in on other top players (Michael Edwards squeezing other clubs helped too!).

With FFP gone and now COVID, who knows where it will end up in a few years once the current team passes it's sell-by date.