The US policing crisis thread

Started by Eamonnca1, April 28, 2015, 07:10:37 AM

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muppet

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foxcommander

Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

easytiger95

Good Jesus, that is terrible. God rest his soul.

easytiger95

To answer your question "Where do you go from here?" - hope that the police force pursuing his killers are dedicated, efficient and implacable in their purpose. If, however, you are implying, Fox, that the savagery of this crime indicates a community which cannot be policed, then I'd have to disagree. You could never convince me that 99.999% of Chicago's population feel anything but revulsion and disgust for this act. But again, if that is not what you are implying (and it would be helpful if you clarified exactly what your question means) I am happy to be corrected. I do feel that this crime has very little to do with what we have been discussing on this thread, unless the implication I sense from your statement is actually the case.

The reason we hold police in democratic societies to higher standards of behaviour is for exactly situations like this. If they have the support and trust of the community, they have better odds of bringing these evil people to justice. If they have squandered that trust (and it certainly seems in America that trust between law enforcement agencies and the black community in particular is at a generational low) then not only is the crime harder to solve but the everyday life of the citizens is immeasurably deteriorated.

Finally, as absolutely awful as this act was ("unfathomable" was very apt) it does not nor should it be used to, extrapolate an entire community's behaviour. A large amount of mass shootings in America are carried out by young Caucasian men (with some notable exceptions). It doesn't tell us anything about those men as a demographic.

Everyone knows about Chicago's problem with crime and shootings - and perhaps the only sensible things you can take from the data is that poverty and the lack of economic opportunity lead to increased criminal behaviour (no brainer) and the easy availability of firearms increase the level of violence involved in criminal acts (even more of a no brainer, and I think I posted some figures on this earlier in the thread, or some thread related).

I would not want to have to police the South Side of Chicago - I think at times it would be a dangerous and thankless task. I equally would not want to live there in poverty, with very little societal support. And I especially wouldn't want the horrific death of a family member to be used a cheap debating point, proving that my own commmunity were incapable of acting in a civilized manner. Which I hope you're not doing.

foxcommander

Quote from: easytiger95 on November 07, 2015, 07:54:37 PM
To answer your question "Where do you go from here?" - hope that the police force pursuing his killers are dedicated, efficient and implacable in their purpose. If, however, you are implying, Fox, that the savagery of this crime indicates a community which cannot be policed, then I'd have to disagree. You could never convince me that 99.999% of Chicago's population feel anything but revulsion and disgust for this act. But again, if that is not what you are implying (and it would be helpful if you clarified exactly what your question means) I am happy to be corrected. I do feel that this crime has very little to do with what we have been discussing on this thread, unless the implication I sense from your statement is actually the case.

The reason we hold police in democratic societies to higher standards of behaviour is for exactly situations like this. If they have the support and trust of the community, they have better odds of bringing these evil people to justice. If they have squandered that trust (and it certainly seems in America that trust between law enforcement agencies and the black community in particular is at a generational low) then not only is the crime harder to solve but the everyday life of the citizens is immeasurably deteriorated.

Finally, as absolutely awful as this act was ("unfathomable" was very apt) it does not nor should it be used to, extrapolate an entire community's behaviour. A large amount of mass shootings in America are carried out by young Caucasian men (with some notable exceptions). It doesn't tell us anything about those men as a demographic.

Everyone knows about Chicago's problem with crime and shootings - and perhaps the only sensible things you can take from the data is that poverty and the lack of economic opportunity lead to increased criminal behaviour (no brainer) and the easy availability of firearms increase the level of violence involved in criminal acts (even more of a no brainer, and I think I posted some figures on this earlier in the thread, or some thread related).

I would not want to have to police the South Side of Chicago - I think at times it would be a dangerous and thankless task. I equally would not want to live there in poverty, with very little societal support. And I especially wouldn't want the horrific death of a family member to be used a cheap debating point, proving that my own commmunity were incapable of acting in a civilized manner. Which I hope you're not doing.

I can do what I like, thank you for your concern.

How are the police supposed to keep law and order on a population that has absolutely no rules and respect.
If they are capable of this.....
Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

easytiger95

Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

You're using the incredibly tragic death of a young child to advance a racist viewpoint. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you know the meaning of the word "shame". I see on other threads you are encouraging other posters to go in blackface. You are the one with "no rules or respect" for either the users of this board, the black community in general, and, at the very base of it, I doubt you have much of it for yourself either.

You have a nice Saturday night.

armaghniac

If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

foxcommander

#487
Quote from: easytiger95 on November 07, 2015, 08:09:42 PM
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

You're using the incredibly tragic death of a young child to advance a racist viewpoint. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you know the meaning of the word "shame". I see on other threads you are encouraging other posters to go in blackface. You are the one with "no rules or respect" for either the users of this board, the black community in general, and, at the very base of it, I doubt you have much of it for yourself either.

You have a nice Saturday night.

I see you've pulled out the "R" card pretty easily to my response about law and order. And even if I was how does this affect you?
Are you faux morally outraged??

Your conditioning by the thought police/PC brigade has rendered you unable to see issues as they are in case you get labelled. Such ignorance makes allowances for criminal behavior which shouldn't be tolerated. The police have a tough job but in your eyes anyone who backs them is wrong in your opinion.

No wonder society is going to the dogs.

Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

heganboy

Quote from: foxcommander on November 07, 2015, 07:59:19 PM
How are the police supposed to keep law and order on a population that has absolutely no rules and respect.
If they are capable of this.....

To which population are you referring?

I wonder...

Maybe you mean Chicago? Illinois? United States?

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

Harold Disgracey

Absolutely no justification for this and yes the victims were black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVuyO85cINg&sns=em

stew

Quote from: easytiger95 on November 07, 2015, 08:09:42 PM
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

You're using the incredibly tragic death of a young child to advance a racist viewpoint. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you know the meaning of the word "shame". I see on other threads you are encouraging other posters to go in blackface. You are the one with "no rules or respect" for either the users of this board, the black community in general, and, at the very base of it, I doubt you have much of it for yourself either.

You have a nice Saturday night.

It is open season on conservatives on this site, Chicago is Obama's stomping ground and being a conservative does not a racist make, please remember that the democrats were the plantation owners, you know, the lads than owned slaves, it was a republican who changed that dynamic!

Clinton is going to win the presidency, it will be the single worst Presidency this country has ever seen, the bias in this country pertaining to the media is disgusting and the sheep will follow, journalistic integrity is dead and has been for decades, socialism in this country will bankrupt and destroy it, that is all.
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: stew on November 09, 2015, 01:21:56 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on November 07, 2015, 08:09:42 PM
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

You're using the incredibly tragic death of a young child to advance a racist viewpoint. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you know the meaning of the word "shame". I see on other threads you are encouraging other posters to go in blackface. You are the one with "no rules or respect" for either the users of this board, the black community in general, and, at the very base of it, I doubt you have much of it for yourself either.

You have a nice Saturday night.

It is open season on conservatives on this site, Chicago is Obama's stomping ground and being a conservative does not a racist make, please remember that the democrats were the plantation owners, you know, the lads than owned slaves, it was a republican who changed that dynamic!

Clinton is going to win the presidency, it will be the single worst Presidency this country has ever seen, the bias in this country pertaining to the media is disgusting and the sheep will follow, journalistic integrity is dead and has been for decades, socialism in this country will bankrupt and destroy it, that is all.


gallsman

Quote from: stew on November 09, 2015, 01:21:56 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on November 07, 2015, 08:09:42 PM
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

You're using the incredibly tragic death of a young child to advance a racist viewpoint. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you know the meaning of the word "shame". I see on other threads you are encouraging other posters to go in blackface. You are the one with "no rules or respect" for either the users of this board, the black community in general, and, at the very base of it, I doubt you have much of it for yourself either.

You have a nice Saturday night.

It is open season on conservatives on this site, Chicago is Obama's stomping ground and being a conservative does not a racist make, please remember that the democrats were the plantation owners, you know, the lads than owned slaves, it was a republican who changed that dynamic!

Clinton is going to win the presidency, it will be the single worst Presidency this country has ever seen, the bias in this country pertaining to the media is disgusting and the sheep will follow, journalistic integrity is dead and has been for decades, socialism in this country will bankrupt and destroy it, that is all.

You understand what the Republican Southern Strategy was, don't...


Oh wait, why do I bother? Of course you don't.


easytiger95

You should read that Stew - and it is exactly the same thing that Foxcommander is doing in his posts.