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#7366
GAA Discussion / Re: tickets
January 12, 2007, 01:40:55 PM
15,000 tickets are being distributed to Dublin clubs next week.

Parnell Park annual ticket holders are to pick up their tickets on Wednesday.

Shortly after that the Dublin County Board will be selling tickets to the general public from their offices in Parnell Park.
#7367
GAA Discussion / Re: Limerick v Dublin NFL change
January 12, 2007, 12:20:34 PM
Well it will certainly achieve a much bigger attendance now than it would have done if it remained as a Sunday game.

So definitely a sensible decision.

Looking forward to my first visit to the Gaelic Grounds.
#7368
GAA Discussion / Limerick v Dublin NFL change
January 12, 2007, 12:12:34 PM
Limerick v Dublin in Division 1A of the NFL was originally scheduled for Sunday February 11.

It has now been moved to Saturday February 10, with a throw-in time of 2.30pm. The venue remains the Gaelic Grounds.

The Limerick County Board requested the change in order to facilitate Limerick fans wishing to travel to the Six Nations rugby clash of Ireland and France in Croke Park on the Sunday.

#7369
For facks sake it was only the league cup.

The team picked was the right team - you have to give lads a chance, and this is the competition to do it in. It was easily the strongest side he put out this year in the league cup.

The actually played quite well for the first 25 minutes or so. Dominated possession, and in the 10 minutes prior to Arsenal's opener they had started to create chances. Arsenal scored on the break with literally their first attack. Immediately after the goal Andy Gray mentioned 4 Arsenal players who had not touched the ball prior to the goal - which tells a story of how the game was going up to then.

The goal gave Arsenal confidence and they then started to play and Liverpool went into their shell a bit. As the game went into injury time it was 1-2, not an altogether unfair reflection but then came the most critical few minutes of the game. First a Dudek mistake from a corner leads to the ball ricocheting into the net off Song's arm (a pure fluke), then the 4th goal should have been disallowed as it was clearly offside.

That was game over and there was little to be done.

The second half was 2-2, which reflected Liverpool huffing and puffing and occassionally having some success, but with Arsenal sitting back and being very dangerous on the counter. Aluminia made a couple of great saves and Arsenal missed a penalty - it was one of those games that could have been any score. But it was only league cup.

It was disappointing for Liverpool that none of the second string who played took their opportunity to state a case for first team selection. And very disappointing to see Gonzalez and Garcia stretchered off which could well mean long spells out. And there will be some others who wont get next nor near a Liverpool first team jersey for the rest of the season.
#7370
GAA Discussion / Re: Croke to get a roof
January 09, 2007, 10:24:21 AM
Quote from: man in black on January 08, 2007, 03:11:08 PM


Err excuse me but the hill chanting "how does it feel to have a queen" is fairly damning all the same.

Well what is it like?

I've been on the Hill for all Dublin's games in Croke Park against nordie teams in the last 10 years and I can't recall that one been sung in big numbers on the Hill - which is surprising given its quite tame. Maybe this year we can get it going specially for you.

I have heard fans from the North calling Dublin fans "fenian bastards", on numerous occassions - all of which I found very funny.
#7371
GAA Discussion / Re: Croke to get a roof
January 08, 2007, 01:31:41 PM
And on the other side of the coin, when there was a thread recently on best atmosphere at a game, there was a large proportion of Dublin games mentioned, largely because of the Hill.
#7372
GAA Discussion / Re: Croke to get a roof
January 07, 2007, 01:20:42 PM
We all know Croke Park is a magnificent stadium, but IMO its a magnificent summer stadium. If it rains its a pisspoor stadium as well over half of the people in the lower stands gets pissed on.

A roof would be of huge benefit - but obviuosly only if we can afford it. We'll only do it if its gets heavily subsidised.

I do agree that renovating Semple would be a higher priority
#7373
General discussion / Re: English team you Follow?
January 05, 2007, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 05, 2007, 09:31:00 AM

and you have no 'facts' to back up your opinion that souness was not anti Irish

thats it in a nutshell
my opinions are down to the fact I cannot recall transfers at the time in or out.
Also that you rubbish my knowledge of liverpool FC by castigating my opinions on barnes and beardsley
the crux here is that I have a 'low level of knowledge you have about Liverpool FC '  ...
did you actually watch Liverpool from 1975 up until the introduction of barnes and beardsley?
they stuck out like a sore thumb at the time and again I recall discussing with a few liverpool fans at the time who agreed that they did not fit into the then traditional liverpool style (although everyone was happy when they were bought as they were good players elsewhere).
Shows you dont know hee-haw about liverpool or did not understand the club and its football prior to that Barnes and beardsley era.
Yer just a bandwagon jumper!
:D
I have totally backed up with facts that he was not anti-Irish while he managed Liverpool. He played Houghton for a whole season and didnt sell him until McManaman had established himself. Why would someone who was anti-Irish play an Irishman? Why did he play Whelan so much if he was anti-Irish?

In any event you are the one who alleged he was racist with no facts or evidence to back it up, and you have been beaten to a pulp in this argument!

Loser!

I don't for one minute believe you were a real Liverpool supporter. Perhaps a glory-hunting follower at one stage. But no true supporter would believe that Souness was anti-Irish, because they'd have the knowledge to know otherwise. And certainly no true supporter would give up being a fan just because they'd a crap manager for 2 and a half seasons.

The "sore thumb" bit is hilarious. I wish they'd a few more "sore thumbs" now.

Beardsley was the perfect successor to Dalglish. Obviously not quite as good, but the best around in that position at that time - created buckets of goals for Aldo just as Kenny had for Rushie. And Barnsey was a similar player to Steve Heighway, bombing down the left wing. Except Barnes was better at beating players and scored more goals. And funnily both only rarely produced their club form at international level.

#7374
General discussion / Re: English team you Follow?
January 05, 2007, 08:02:29 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 04, 2007, 07:31:51 PM
I cannot rem back then regarding the details
but I was hardly looking to dislike them
so there must have been a reason- or reasons

prob the selling of houhton the best in the game at that position to be replaced by the inneffectual mcmanaman
and the sidelining of staunton for the rubbish burrows

I dont have to prove why I thought that
if you cant trust your own opinion what can you trust

I know what you lads are saying and respect that- including hound
but it cannot be proven either way unless you get souness to admit to that - which is highly unlikely

but you cannot rubbish my opinion with what has been said.

sorry lads, the opinion was formed at the time and I fully believe what I thought then.

to make matters worse I hated beardsley and barnes playing for liverpool.
I was a fan of barnsey at watford but he and many others were not 'liverpool players' imo
I was only dealing in facts not opinion. Nowhere did I state that Burrows was better than Staunton.  but previous, but you clearly have no clue that Kenny Dalglish bought Burrows because he wasnt happy with Stan at left back. There are no facts to back up an anti-Irish agenda on behalf on Souness. Whether they were the right decisions or not there were football reasons for selling Houghton and Staunton. If he was anti-Irish why did he continue to play Whelan when he was available? Your earlier post said you remember there were other Irish players he didnt play, and yet they were no other Irish players in the first team squad at that time!

In fairness, saying you hated Beardsley and Barnes when they were at Liverpool and they were not "Liverpool players" shows what a low level of knowledge you have about Liverpool FC (both players played a huge part in Liverpool winning 2 titles in 3 years and both were wonderful attacking players during those years). So its no surprise you're ignorant re the selection and transfer policies of Souness.
#7375
General discussion / Re: English team you Follow?
January 04, 2007, 04:47:51 PM
Thats unbelievable lynchbhoy.

"I cannot remeber any other Irish players who souness did not play"

You can't remember because there werent any!

"but with an unbiased opinion at the time I personally recall his getting rid of all Irish "

Thats great recall you have - he got rid of 2 Irish - Staunton immediately and Houghton after one season. Two out of 10 people he got rid of in one year - and certainly not all the Irish seeing as he did not get rid of Whelan. So you're talking shíte.

Whether either was a mistake or not is open for debate (as with other sales he made), but there were football reasons for both as I mentioned. To say that means it was anti-Irish is total crap.

"I am not a bit biased or in any way makeing it up.
Its no myth."


I'm afraid you are making it up - but you're not the only one. It is one of the myths that those who have no idea about the facts go on about.

Admit you're amazed that he only sold two Irish - because you didnt know the facts.

Admit you're amazed he played Houghton and Whelan almost all the time he was there while they were fit - because you didnt know the facts.

Admit you're amazed there was no other Irishman who he dropped or sold - because you didnt know the facts.

Its certainly a valid opinion to hold that Souness did a poor job as manager of Liverpool.
However, there isnt a shred of evidence to suggest he had an anti-Irish policy while at Liverpool.


#7376
General discussion / Re: English team you Follow?
January 04, 2007, 02:39:00 PM
Please elaborate lynchbhoy.
What other Irish did Graeme Souness not play?

Let me guess - Ronnie Whelan?
Can you remember why Ronnie didnt play all games under Souness?
I'll tell you why - its because he was always injured.

Ronnie was almost always in the team when fit, especially at first. He was in the team for most of Souness's first season. Scored a very important last minute equalizer v Pompey in the FA Cup semi-final, but went off injured in the replay. He recovered in time for the last league game and Souness put him straight into the team to give him every chance of making the cup final - but he only lasted an hour. Souness couldnt risk him for the final. Whelan realised there was no way he could start the final, but he was naturally very disappointed not to be on the bench. But in those days with limited subs, it was too big a risk for Souness and Ronnie Moran (who was making a lot of the decisions then as Souey had just undergone heart surgery) to take.

Season two though and Ronnie Whelan was back starting in central midfield. Souness started him in the first 10 games of the season, before he got injured again - an injury which sadly ruled him out for the rest of the season.

Season three saw an early injury to Jamie Redknapp which brought Ronnie back into the first team early in the season.  For 6 games in a row it was Molby and Whelan back in the middle of the field, both picked ahead of Don Hutchison who'd played most of the previous season alongside Redknapp. When Redknapp came back who was dropped? Whelan? No. It was Molby - I'm sure this was to the outrage of many conspiratorial perseuction complex holding Danes who said Souness was anti-Denmark. 

However after 4 defeats in 5 games, Whelan was eventually dropped for the first time since Souness took over (quarter-way through his third season in charge). Rising star Robbie Fowler was given his first league start and recent signing Nigel Clough was pushed back into midfield. Whelan got no more starts under Souness. When Souness was sacked he got a few games towards the end of the season, but didnt get a look in the following season as Evans went for Redknapp and Barnes in central midfield - perhaps he was anti-Irish also? 

So for his first two seasons Souness started Whelan every time he was 100% fit - only dropping him in year 3 when results were going from bad to worse and his job was on the line. I can see the definite bias alright   ::)

Remind me of the other Irishman he didnt play who so deserved to be in the team?

As you will note, I did indeed follow Liverpool at that time and strongly believe that anyone who accuses Souness of anti-Irish basis is doing so with no basis whatsoever. I don't remember him doing anything regarding Irish players that I did not agree with at the time. Staunton was never impressive for Liverpool. Not a patch on the previous Irish left back Jim Beglin. Not that Burrows was any better but he did get stuck in more - but it was a toss of a coin. Certainly £1.1m for Staunton made sense at the time when it funded the purchase of a badly needed centre back - Mark Wright.

Ray Houghton played under Souness for most of his first season in charge but didnt have a great season and while still a decent player, at 30 had lost a yard of pace and was past his best. Steve McManamon had just emerged in that season, and finished it with a man of the match performance in the FA Cup final. Clearly McManamon was going to be first choice for the right side of midfield for the following season, so I was not overly surprised when Villa's offer was accepted for Houghton.  I don't think that anyone would argue that Houghton should start ahead of McManaman at that stage in their careers. Certainly Houghton could have done a job as a squad member (as could some of the other guys he sold), but I doubt Ray would have been happy with that.

So I repeat that saying Souness had an anti-Irish policy while at Liverpool because two of the 10 sales he made during his first year in charge were Irishmen is pure nonsense.  A myth probably started by some idiot like Cathal Dervan and perpetuated by sheep who dont know the actual facts.
#7377
General discussion / Re: English team you Follow?
January 04, 2007, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 28, 2006, 11:45:55 PM
was following liverpool since 1975 but become disillusioned with them and thair anti Irish policy under souness

Its gas how some myths continue to perpetuate no matter how ridiculous they are.

In Souness's first year in charge he did a big clear-out and sold David Speedie, Peter Beardsley, Steve Staunton, Gary Gillespie, Jimmy Carter, Steve McMahon, Gary Ablett, Glenn Hysen, Ray Houghton and Barry Venison.

Yet because there was two Irishmen in there, and he used to manage Rangers, he's anti-Irish.   ;D

Utter nonsense.

If you want to go into specifics about the Irishmen who left, Souness preferred David Burrows over Stan because he was more a Souness type player, and he got over £1m for Staunton. And Houghton had lost his place on the right to Steve McManamon and so was happy to move on for first team football.
#7378
Quote from: Josey Whales on January 03, 2007, 07:13:26 PM
Connell has officially retired from intercounty football.-though he has a lot more than that on his mind at the moment.
...meaning??
#7379
Strong line-ups for January.

Interesting that more senior squad members like Sherlock, Ryan and Cosgrove are obviously giving it another year.

Absent as expected are Andrews (retired), Bastick (cruciate) and Whelan (taking a few months off), but also Paddy Chrisite and Senan Connell. I've no idea what their fitness or status is, but it does suggest they've either retired or have effectively been retired by Pillar.

It also seems to confirm that Eric Miller has not been drafted into the panel.
#7380
The Dubs Stars is a team made up of supposedly the best club players in the county last year - so it can include non-Dubs, upcoming Dubs, current Dubs and former Dubs.

Used to be called the Blue Stars, no idea why the change of name.