Programme on Nordie TV last night claiming that baiting is still quite a big thing in the North. I cannot recall the precise number of incidents (but it was shockingly high) but also a completely weird fact that 50% of the incidents are in County Down.
What they hell is going on?
Is this something people are involved in or are aware of?
Can't get my head around it
Strange mindset of the people who do this. Same as dog fighting. Can't get my head around how people enjoy it. Would see alot of evidence of holes being dug (spade & dogs) around sets in and around Shaws Bridge/minnowburn in Belfast.
There was also a mention of a maximum sentence of 5 years. Difficult to imagine what the mitigation could be to give anything other than the maximum sentence. Presumably anyone involved needs some form of psychological treatment also.
Agree that dog fighting, whilst different falls into the same category.
Surely hunts should also fall into the same category?
How these are still legal in some instances is baffling.
Like baiting there is one desired outcome from the organisers
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Surely hunts should also fall into the same category?
How these are still legal in some instances is baffling.
Like baiting there is one desired outcome from the organisers
Not a fan of hunts but it would be fair to say that dog fighting or badger baiting are a step up in terms of cruelty and the much more close contact human participation.
I would ban hunts but there would be a big fight back from some. Really not sure anyone is going to step forward to defend baiting or dog fighting.
At a certain time of the year badgers visit my golf course, dig up terrible divots and never replace them. Other than that, they are fine.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Surely hunts should also fall into the same category?
How these are still legal in some instances is baffling.
Like baiting there is one desired outcome from the organisers
Not a fan of hunts but it would be fair to say that dog fighting or badger baiting are a step up in terms of cruelty and the much more close contact human participation.
I would ban hunts but there would be a big fight back from some. Really not sure anyone is going to step forward to defend baiting or dog fighting.
Fox hunts are exactly the same except for the pageantry and class divide.
Hallions the lot of them who take part in it.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Surely hunts should also fall into the same category?
How these are still legal in some instances is baffling.
Like baiting there is one desired outcome from the organisers
Not a fan of hunts but it would be fair to say that dog fighting or badger baiting are a step up in terms of cruelty and the much more close contact human participation.
I would ban hunts but there would be a big fight back from some. Really not sure anyone is going to step forward to defend baiting or dog fighting.
Step up?
I disagree.
An animal is hunted down for miles by a pack and then torn to shreds.
Well I am not defending fox hunting but I reckon if the entire population were consulted you would find a majority repelled by fox hunting, dog fighting and badger baiting. But the latter 2 would repulse c99% people. The difference I think is in part to do with the proximity to the kill and the intentionally drawn out nature of the kill.
But yeah ban the lot would get my vote
Quote from: johnnycool on May 21, 2021, 10:18:39 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Surely hunts should also fall into the same category?
How these are still legal in some instances is baffling.
Like baiting there is one desired outcome from the organisers
Not a fan of hunts but it would be fair to say that dog fighting or badger baiting are a step up in terms of cruelty and the much more close contact human participation.
I would ban hunts but there would be a big fight back from some. Really not sure anyone is going to step forward to defend baiting or dog fighting.
Fox hunts are exactly the same except for the pageantry and class divide.
Hallions the lot of them who take part in it.
Not fully true. There are hunts with horses and with full packs that only an elite can maintain. But that is not the only version of fox hunting. Both are equally barbaric
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 21, 2021, 10:18:39 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Surely hunts should also fall into the same category?
How these are still legal in some instances is baffling.
Like baiting there is one desired outcome from the organisers
Not a fan of hunts but it would be fair to say that dog fighting or badger baiting are a step up in terms of cruelty and the much more close contact human participation.
I would ban hunts but there would be a big fight back from some. Really not sure anyone is going to step forward to defend baiting or dog fighting.
Fox hunts are exactly the same except for the pageantry and class divide.
Hallions the lot of them who take part in it.
Not fully true. There are hunts with horses and with full packs that only an elite can maintain. But that is not the only version of fox hunting. Both are equally barbaric
I saw a YouTube video about snaring foxes
That's probably the worst way of controlling foxes closely followed by poisoning
Optics of a mob on horseback chasing a poor fox doesn't make for good viewing but I'm guessing they account for fractions of one percent of all the foxes killed in any given year
Hunting for sport should be banned.
An exs father was at it. Might have been foxes instead of badgers but it involved putting big lamps ontop of a jeep and driving round a field at night. I could never get my head around it or where the sport in it was. She thought nothing of it which was worse.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 21, 2021, 01:33:36 PM
An exs father was at it. Might have been foxes instead of badgers but it involved putting big lamps ontop of a jeep and driving round a field at night. I could never get my head around it or where the sport in it was. She thought nothing of it which was worse.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet. Possibly literally
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 21, 2021, 01:33:36 PM
An exs father was at it. Might have been foxes instead of badgers but it involved putting big lamps ontop of a jeep and driving round a field at night. I could never get my head around it or where the sport in it was. She thought nothing of it which was worse.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet. Possibly literally
She has a professional qualification and all now. It was just bizarre. Apparently it's what the locals do for fun. This was Tyrone not Down interestingly.
I don't understand what enjoyment anyone would get from it.
Something from a bygone era. In 50 years we'll be saying the same about Greyhound and Horse racing.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 21, 2021, 01:33:36 PM
An exs father was at it. Might have been foxes instead of badgers but it involved putting big lamps ontop of a jeep and driving round a field at night. I could never get my head around it or where the sport in it was. She thought nothing of it which was worse.
Known as Lamping (funny enough), think it is all for Hares & Rabbits.
Can clearly recall badger baiting where I grew up and a lot of general hunting with dogs, we were very outdoorsy - the working class version.
Yes it's known as lamping round here to, badger baiting is another pass time done around the same unsocial hours but in a pub or a nightclub.
Would have done a bit of lamping for rabbits back in the day. Seen an odd badger or fox but stayed clear
Quote from: An Watcher on May 21, 2021, 06:52:29 PM
Would have done a bit of lamping for rabbits back in the day. Seen an odd badger or fox but stayed clear
Lamping rabbits? What was going through your mind? Anything?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 21, 2021, 06:52:29 PM
Would have done a bit of lamping for rabbits back in the day. Seen an odd badger or fox but stayed clear
Lamping rabbits? What was going through your mind? Anything?
Banjo music probably.
Badger baiting involves digging a badger out of its set, breaking its back with a spade so it can't run away, then putting one or 2 dogs on it. With a broken spine the badger only has use of its front claws meaning only the dog has a chance of surviving, typically with horrific facial and upper body injuries. I'd worry for the wives and kids of men who do this stuff. Strangely the vast majority of them support clubs with a history of violence like Rangers, Millwall, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. There seems to be a connection between animal blood sports and football hooliganism for sure.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 21, 2021, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 21, 2021, 06:52:29 PM
Would have done a bit of lamping for rabbits back in the day. Seen an odd badger or fox but stayed clear
Lamping rabbits? What was going through your mind? Anything?
Dinner.
Don't agree with it atall.
But is it any worse than you sitting at your kitchen table sticking a cow or a chicken between a bap and devouring it?
At least the rabbit has a chance of getting away, the cow or chicken don't
Good point, well made.
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2021, 11:30:43 PM
Don't agree with it atall.
But is it any worse than you sitting at your kitchen table sticking a cow or a chicken between a bap and devouring it?
Don't cows get a bolt through the head and an instant death?
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2021, 11:30:43 PM
Don't agree with it atall.
But is it any worse than you sitting at your kitchen table sticking a cow or a chicken between a bap and devouring it?
I don't think people want to think about what goes on in an abattoir but they would have a fair idea all the same.
If they were to be informed that the cow/lamb/chicken/pig had its back broken and left alive to fight a pair of angry dogs they might make a different decision about what to eat
Quote from: StPatsAbu on May 21, 2021, 11:00:40 PM
Badger baiting involves digging a badger out of its set, breaking its back with a spade so it can't run away, then putting one or 2 dogs on it. With a broken spine the badger only has use of its front claws meaning only the dog has a chance of surviving, typically with horrific facial and upper body injuries. I'd worry for the wives and kids of men who do this stuff. Strangely the vast majority of them support clubs with a history of violence like Rangers, Millwall, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. There seems to be a connection between animal blood sports and football hooliganism for sure.
For five seconds I thought I was reading a mature, sensible contribution on a serious topic from you. I was surprised.
But, being a moronic gobshite, I guess you're just incapable of posting something worthy of respect.
Family have a farm, never been involved in lamping but I understand why farmers would do it when the foxes start lifting lambs. Locally there used to be a fella who basically did the farmers job for them. Not sure if still in action.
Quote from: J70 on May 27, 2021, 08:07:42 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on May 21, 2021, 11:00:40 PM
Badger baiting involves digging a badger out of its set, breaking its back with a spade so it can't run away, then putting one or 2 dogs on it. With a broken spine the badger only has use of its front claws meaning only the dog has a chance of surviving, typically with horrific facial and upper body injuries. I'd worry for the wives and kids of men who do this stuff. Strangely the vast majority of them support clubs with a history of violence like Rangers, Millwall, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. There seems to be a connection between animal blood sports and football hooliganism for sure.
For five seconds I thought I was reading a mature, sensible contribution on a serious topic from you. I was surprised.
But, being a moronic gobshite, I guess you're just incapable of posting something worthy of respect.
Yes, he's a complete tool
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 28, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Family have a farm, never been involved in lamping but I understand why farmers would do it when the foxes start lifting lambs. Locally there used to be a fella who basically did the farmers job for them. Not sure if still in action.
That's quite a difference from sadistic blood lust.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 28, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Family have a farm, never been involved in lamping but I understand why farmers would do it when the foxes start lifting lambs. Locally there used to be a fella who basically did the farmers job for them. Not sure if still in action.
Every rural area has one of those lads;
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Our local one was telling me the best way to kill ferrule cats was place a saucer of milk below a flat roof and to get onto the flat roof with a paving stone and once they'd got as many wee heads in the milk to let the paver drop. His record was 5 in the one go!!
Jesus h Jonny 😂😂 some bad heures about
I'd a boy a locka years back had got a new phone for xmas and proceeded to show me a video of a pig gettin beheaded with a chainsaw...and how it still ran around for a few seconds afterwards...
Plenty of bloodthirsty boyos in the country
Quote from: johnnycool on May 28, 2021, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 28, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Family have a farm, never been involved in lamping but I understand why farmers would do it when the foxes start lifting lambs. Locally there used to be a fella who basically did the farmers job for them. Not sure if still in action.
Every rural area has one of those lads;
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Our local one was telling me the best way to kill ferrule cats was place a saucer of milk below a flat roof and to get onto the flat roof with a paving stone and once they'd got as many wee heads in the milk to let the paver drop. His record was 5 in the one go!!
A civilised society would perform an intervention there
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 28, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
Jesus h Jonny 😂😂 some bad heures about
I'd a boy a locka years back had got a new phone for xmas and proceeded to show me a video of a pig gettin beheaded with a chainsaw...and how it still ran around for a few seconds afterwards...
Plenty of bloodthirsty boyos in the country
A civilised society would perform an intervention there
It's always been a big thing in Derry City especially out around Shantallow, ferrets , lurchers, lamping, hunting , fox and broc the main victims. I've noticed less at past few years
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 31, 2021, 10:15:44 AM
It's always been a big thing in Derry City especially out around Shantallow, ferrets , lurchers, lamping, hunting , fox and broc the main victims. I've noticed less at past few years
Plenty of Badgers in Derry ;D
Quote from: Rudi on May 31, 2021, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 31, 2021, 10:15:44 AM
It's always been a big thing in Derry City especially out around Shantallow, ferrets , lurchers, lamping, hunting , fox and broc the main victims. I've noticed less at past few years
Plenty of Badgers in Derry ;D
Lol. Can't deny it