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« Reply #21225 on: July 22, 2021, 06:16:04 PM »
Whatís the solution to the Minor/Development squad problems? Weíre all quick to be Ďragingí or question structures letís provide practical solutions and speak to the people in charge to see if you can influence change rather than complain. If youíre not part of the solution youíre part of the problem.

Letís not forget our seniors were beaten by 14 points in the championship, but a moral victory hailed all round.

Schools have been the focus of Gaelfast, but at primary level so far in most parts, the wider problem Antrim has is developing better schools football in all grades, been lucky enough over the years to referee all levels of college football, the kids are properly developed in S&C and the level of football that they play is a far greater standard to what we have been used to seeing at those levels..

I've no problem in saying that we will have better county teams if we could have better development of the college game, these players progressing onto their club senior team and moving then onto the county set will bring another level to the what we have been used too, this needs to be done consistently over 10/20 years, which has been the case in Tyrone/Derry/Armagh/Fermanagh/Down... Cant remember the last entry we had at McRory cup level
4 years ago maybe?

Over a sustained period or a one off after winning the competition below it? My point is we need to be at that level over many years. Be that with an amalgamation of schools or two, schools from city and country
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« Reply #21226 on: July 22, 2021, 06:46:53 PM »
This won't be a surprise to anyone who has been around juvenille football in Antrim for a reasonable number of years

The whole setup is in the dark ages relative to the vast majority of progressive counties.

We have had a few bright spots most noteably last year's U20 and the same group @ Minor.

Unfortunately the leadership is not there to create the culture and environment required to develop the conveyor belt of Good rounded footballers capable of competing at inter County level.

It is the whole process and structure that is broken not just the final years @ U17 & U20

To move forward and be competitive in a Senior context this really needs a total Reset and not a patch up.

We may get the odd bright spot where we get lucky with a group of players, a good coaching setup gets real buy in or a school does really well but that seems to be the way of it .....

Hope to get lucky

Have to agree with this! As someone who was involved in volunteering for both hurling and football Dev squads at different times over the years, thereís always something stopping teams progressing the way they should, and it always seems to be buy-in, or lack of! Iím all for getting the best seniors out to play, and they are our ďwindowĒ for young lads looking in, but what point is there investing money into the seniors if they havenít the foundations already in place?
Iíve spoke with a number of people involved in the minor set ups of the past, and the lack of support and resources available to these young lads is beyond shocking.
Iíd love to see a proper pathway in place for teenagers to come through where they are educated about the technical, tactical and physical aspects of the game.
Being with the squads before, Iíd learned a lot from the county coaches Alfie for football and Dominic for hurling (they are now Gaelfast too I think) but it always seemed like resources were holding us back from being able to do exactly what we needed to do. This has to change!

As club people we need to take a level of responsibility for the county performances too! How many football teams have we at minor-senior that actually compete in Ulster club over the years? How many schools? Same for hurling- we play B all Ireland in that?  itís clubs that build the foundations in players before they get to school level so surely if we get it right with our teams then it makes it easier to work with players at county/school?

Easy to point the finger at Gaelfast but they donít hold the purse strings and judging by how the director left, they donít seem to be given the freedom to call the shots either! Either things change the right way or weíll be no further up the road in a decade. Leadership is key!

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« Reply #21227 on: July 22, 2021, 09:19:03 PM »
This won't be a surprise to anyone who has been around juvenille football in Antrim for a reasonable number of years

The whole setup is in the dark ages relative to the vast majority of progressive counties.

We have had a few bright spots most noteably last year's U20 and the same group @ Minor.

Unfortunately the leadership is not there to create the culture and environment required to develop the conveyor belt of Good rounded footballers capable of competing at inter County level.

It is the whole process and structure that is broken not just the final years @ U17 & U20

To move forward and be competitive in a Senior context this really needs a total Reset and not a patch up.

We may get the odd bright spot where we get lucky with a group of players, a good coaching setup gets real buy in or a school does really well but that seems to be the way of it .....

Hope to get lucky

Have to agree with this! As someone who was involved in volunteering for both hurling and football Dev squads at different times over the years, thereís always something stopping teams progressing the way they should, and it always seems to be buy-in, or lack of! Iím all for getting the best seniors out to play, and they are our ďwindowĒ for young lads looking in, but what point is there investing money into the seniors if they havenít the foundations already in place?
Iíve spoke with a number of people involved in the minor set ups of the past, and the lack of support and resources available to these young lads is beyond shocking.
Iíd love to see a proper pathway in place for teenagers to come through where they are educated about the technical, tactical and physical aspects of the game.
Being with the squads before, Iíd learned a lot from the county coaches Alfie for football and Dominic for hurling (they are now Gaelfast too I think) but it always seemed like resources were holding us back from being able to do exactly what we needed to do. This has to change!

As club people we need to take a level of responsibility for the county performances too! How many football teams have we at minor-senior that actually compete in Ulster club over the years? How many schools? Same for hurling- we play B all Ireland in that?  itís clubs that build the foundations in players before they get to school level so surely if we get it right with our teams then it makes it easier to work with players at county/school?

Easy to point the finger at Gaelfast but they donít hold the purse strings and judging by how the director left, they donít seem to be given the freedom to call the shots either! Either things change the right way or weíll be no further up the road in a decade. Leadership is key!

Def should be better, but there is some obvious things that need to be built on, including trying to improve on structures already in place.

For example, schools football,St Mary's Magherafelt, St Patrick's Maghera, St Pius X Magherafelt, St Ronan's Lurgen, provide good college pathways for Aghagallan, Tir na Nog, Creegan, Cargin, Moneyglass, Portglenone, and potentially Rasharkin etc. Gaelfast should be focusing on Randalstown, St Pats Ballymena, etc for country football (I'm sure there are others)

In hurling, Garrontower, St Louis Ballymena, Cross and Passion and St Patricks Maghera are providing a pathway, we should be looking at supporting them even further

Same story in the city.

SO there are fragments on foundations that can be strengthened and improved

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« Reply #21228 on: July 22, 2021, 09:44:47 PM »
Unfortunately we didnít have the Delta variant running riot last year.  On the current trajectory, September onwards will be a big mess of positive cases and people isolating with a lot of clubs potentially disrupted.
at last someone else who is living in 2021 - the format is super its just wrong year for it - championships need run off as quickly as we can and players understanD as they dont want unfinished championships

Wake up people

Send in your proposals and format with a new draw, you could possibly video it just show being fair
Its just a bit of debate and genuine comment.  No need to be patronising.

Most of your posts in fairness are sly digs at people in Gaelfast or county committees.  ;)
If that was aimed at me, youíre getting mixed up. The more ideas and suggestions are thrown into the mix the better.  Nobody across our county has anything to lose from that and maybe some good ideas might emerge - imagine.

Not you in the slightest was my post aimed at, youíve reasonably put across many a decent debate with no major axe to grind over the years
It was aimed at Me because he doesnt like debate  snore snore

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« Reply #21229 on: July 22, 2021, 10:16:32 PM »
This won't be a surprise to anyone who has been around juvenille football in Antrim for a reasonable number of years

The whole setup is in the dark ages relative to the vast majority of progressive counties.

We have had a few bright spots most noteably last year's U20 and the same group @ Minor.

Unfortunately the leadership is not there to create the culture and environment required to develop the conveyor belt of Good rounded footballers capable of competing at inter County level.

It is the whole process and structure that is broken not just the final years @ U17 & U20

To move forward and be competitive in a Senior context this really needs a total Reset and not a patch up.

We may get the odd bright spot where we get lucky with a group of players, a good coaching setup gets real buy in or a school does really well but that seems to be the way of it .....

Hope to get lucky

Have to agree with this! As someone who was involved in volunteering for both hurling and football Dev squads at different times over the years, thereís always something stopping teams progressing the way they should, and it always seems to be buy-in, or lack of! Iím all for getting the best seniors out to play, and they are our ďwindowĒ for young lads looking in, but what point is there investing money into the seniors if they havenít the foundations already in place?
Iíve spoke with a number of people involved in the minor set ups of the past, and the lack of support and resources available to these young lads is beyond shocking.
Iíd love to see a proper pathway in place for teenagers to come through where they are educated about the technical, tactical and physical aspects of the game.
Being with the squads before, Iíd learned a lot from the county coaches Alfie for football and Dominic for hurling (they are now Gaelfast too I think) but it always seemed like resources were holding us back from being able to do exactly what we needed to do. This has to change!

As club people we need to take a level of responsibility for the county performances too! How many football teams have we at minor-senior that actually compete in Ulster club over the years? How many schools? Same for hurling- we play B all Ireland in that?  itís clubs that build the foundations in players before they get to school level so surely if we get it right with our teams then it makes it easier to work with players at county/school?

Easy to point the finger at Gaelfast but they donít hold the purse strings and judging by how the director left, they donít seem to be given the freedom to call the shots either! Either things change the right way or weíll be no further up the road in a decade. Leadership is key!

Def should be better, but there is some obvious things that need to be built on, including trying to improve on structures already in place.

For example, schools football,St Mary's Magherafelt, St Patrick's Maghera, St Pius X Magherafelt, St Ronan's Lurgen, provide good college pathways for Aghagallan, Tir na Nog, Creegan, Cargin, Moneyglass, Portglenone, and potentially Rasharkin etc. Gaelfast should be focusing on Randalstown, St Pats Ballymena, etc for country football (I'm sure there are others)

In hurling, Garrontower, St Louis Ballymena, Cross and Passion and St Patricks Maghera are providing a pathway, we should be looking at supporting them even further

Same story in the city.

SO there are fragments on foundations that can be strengthened and improved

Excuse my ignorance but are they not already supporting them? I donít know enough about Gaelfast to say but I think Iíll get the productivity cap on here and do a bit of digging. Better to find out than assume I suppose

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« Reply #21230 on: July 22, 2021, 10:36:02 PM »
We do need to squeeze every drop out of McRory football.  A handful of SW clubs benefit.  A Belfast Combined  Schools team - why not?  If weíre playing hurling in Leinster why canít we think outside the box on that one.

Resources yes, but they donít grow on trees. Would be interested to hear what other county squads are getting that we donít.

But we really do need to be honest about whatís happening at club level.  The standard of minor teams  is poor enough currently bar a few and Iíve noticed a lot of clubs where the standard just seems to have flat lined or regressed as teams have moved up through U12s, U14, U16 (17).  Is coaching poor, are the lads not that bothered because we arenít a glamour county?  I donít know but we seem to be losing ground every year.  I thought that minor squad were doing ok in previous years in development squad tournaments?  Canít understand how they got hammered although sounds like nothing went right on the night.

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« Reply #21231 on: July 23, 2021, 07:43:21 AM »
Unfortunately we didnít have the Delta variant running riot last year.  On the current trajectory, September onwards will be a big mess of positive cases and people isolating with a lot of clubs potentially disrupted.

But last year we didnít have the vaccine. Every person over the age of 18 has as of now been offered the vaccine, the rules on isolating after a close contact for those double jabbed will change next month (prob a week or 2 after England) as harsh as it sounds if a player hasnít been vaccinated and has to isolate then thatís on them in my opinion. They chose not to be vaccinated so thatís on them. In fact a directive from the county stating games will not be refixed for players isolating would see a big uptake in the vaccine amount younger people.

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« Reply #21232 on: July 23, 2021, 09:30:33 AM »
With all the talk of area's that antrim need to focus on to improve i think school football, development squads, underage managers etc.. all contribute to development and need seriously looked at, but the truth is with the exception of a small number of clubs, is that around antrim the footballing culture just isnt there! il be lambasted for saying that but the proofs in the pudding. How many antrim clubs are solely fooball? How many colleges/ schools whether it be mcrory, mclarnon, vocational schools do well against other schools in ulster on a consistant basis? Bar St.Galls who was the last club to win an ulster match?

How many players from intermediate down, are on that antrim footballing panel- the reason im asking is, other counties have some proloific footballers that has come from clubs playing at that level, but from my perspective i see the likes of these clubs in antrim fulfilling footballing fixtures with very little aspirations of actually producing the next Kevin Niblock, Mick McCann, Paddy Cunningham. That comes from the culture around the place, its alright going to training and playing matches and saying your a footballer, but culture comes from the home and communities which breeds aspirations for youth. In Tyrone youv an endless amount of communities that live and breathe football, Derry is the same. We need more of the likes in Antrim.

BS talks about Antrim football being competitive and on any given day, any team can win it, but in all honesty how many clubs have actually won a championship in the last 30 years? 6? 1 of which was southwest so im not sure that backs up the argument that the south west clubs are reaping the rewards of derry schools competing in mcroary football

its a fair enough point and is reflective of some of the points you all have raised with the county boards lack of investment and backing of underage set ups. If the culture was there, as it is in derry, tyrone, armagh etc.. their would be outcry the way our underage are coached/ treated and the sad truth is, thats where success starts no matter how you measure it. Paying Mcginley, Baker, Gormley etc... is fine for gaining promotion and maybe winning one qualifying match but is only papering over cracks if we cant back that up with a conveyor belt of youth that supplements a senior squad, year in year out.
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« Reply #21233 on: July 23, 2021, 10:50:20 AM »
Excuse my ignorance but was Gaelfast not put in place to support GAA in Belfast? As an Antrim man I donít mind it spreading its wings throughout the county but going into St. Patís Maghera? f**k that!

And the Down parts as well, but if you can make it to take Gaelfast coaches to North Antrim, they can also make it to the Ards peninsula.

Where Gaelfast went wrong was aligning it so rigidly to Antrim CB..


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« Reply #21234 on: July 23, 2021, 11:12:20 AM »
Excuse my ignorance but was Gaelfast not put in place to support GAA in Belfast? As an Antrim man I donít mind it spreading its wings throughout the county but going into St. Patís Maghera? f**k that!

And the Down parts as well, but if you can make it to take Gaelfast coaches to North Antrim, they can also make it to the Ards peninsula.

Where Gaelfast went wrong was aligning it so rigidly to Antrim CB..

 ;D What do you down boys know?

(Joke - you're probably spot on to be fair)

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« Reply #21235 on: July 23, 2021, 12:52:04 PM »
Whats Gaelfast up to these days? lack of communication about this flegship initiative is criminal

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« Reply #21236 on: July 23, 2021, 01:07:24 PM »
Whats Gaelfast up to these days? lack of communication about this flegship initiative is criminal

Not another dig at Gaelfast?  ;)
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« Reply #21237 on: July 23, 2021, 01:59:41 PM »
Excuse my ignorance but was Gaelfast not put in place to support GAA in Belfast? As an Antrim man I donít mind it spreading its wings throughout the county but going into St. Patís Maghera? f**k that!

And the Down parts as well, but if you can make it to take Gaelfast coaches to North Antrim, they can also make it to the Ards peninsula.

Where Gaelfast went wrong was aligning it so rigidly to Antrim CB..

 ;D What do you down boys know?

(Joke - you're probably spot on to be fair)

I know a shŪtshow when I see one  ;D

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« Reply #21238 on: July 23, 2021, 03:33:16 PM »
Whats Gaelfast up to these days? lack of communication about this flegship initiative is criminal

Not another dig at Gaelfast?  ;)
genuine concern that Gaelfast oportunity is being wasted - you call it a dig  :o

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« Reply #21239 on: July 23, 2021, 04:24:31 PM »
You could be right but when you come on and complain that people on furlough are doing no work, when they're not allowed to, on furlough then you have to wonder if they could win or not.

What looks to have not panned out very well has been since that.