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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: January 11, 2021, 04:24:01 PM »
Great to see Cha and Scully back. Could do with a few more backs in also (Leigh Bergin?).

Who is Sugrue?

John Sugrue

Portlaoise based Physiotherapist and Ex Laois Football manager.

Some around here might have heard of him

Cummins supposed to be involved as goalkeeping coach also

That would be Brendan Cummins Sunday game panelist and Ex Tipperary Hurling goalkeeper

Wow, great to have John Sugrue involved. Would have thought that if it was 'that' Sugrue that he might have found himself back in the football world.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: January 11, 2021, 11:15:15 AM »
Great to see Cha and Scully back. Could do with a few more backs in also (Leigh Bergin?).

Who is Sugrue?

Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: December 16, 2020, 12:06:45 PM »
Short term no need to worry about Portlaoise being a super club in hurling. They are in quite a bad place currently. There have been occasional green (and white!) shoots but there is 10 years work required to get them even back to where they were in the 90s.

If it does happen that Portlaoise become a dominant club then there are options. The town is more than big enough to support two clubs as is the case in many other county towns. However we are a million miles away from that. Not investing in Portlaoise because of an unfounded fear of the Dublin effect is madness.

Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: December 14, 2020, 12:07:16 PM »
History? Jesus H C...! Who wants history....we need forward- looking, future-looking, innovative people involved. Did Mickey Harte have history behind him, or Jim McGuinness? We only need a handful (with the right structures in place) and things can improve quickly. A few like John Kiely would be great. (he had no history behind him), but they are hard to come by for sure.
You cant stop trying - Cavan & Tipp footballers didn't anyway and they are provincial champions this year. We cant settle for the status quo even if many would like to see it preserved.
We have to strive for improvement and to better ourselves at all levels.

I agree. We have to strive to be the best we can be and be positive. We also need to be realistic.

The Galway U20 game was a complete mismatch. 3 all ireland minor teams on board and massive resources - Galway will expect a senior all-Ireland winning team from that team. We scraped past Carlow and had 3 poor / indifferent minor teams making up our U20 side. Last years minor team beat (a very good) Kildare. If we ever want to be competitive in the future the formula is fairly simple in theory but difficult in practice. We need far more competitive hurling areas in Laois, especially Portlaoise and strong development programs at club and county level to provide player pathways to adult hurling. That is what JPs money did in Limerick and what the Gaelfest program is doing in Antrim. Population and especially hurling population is against us so our approach needs to be more effective than other counties to produce 2-3 good enough hurlers per year.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: December 09, 2020, 04:39:29 PM »
Niall Corcoran joins Davy Fitz in Wexford

Thanks to Niall for his work in Laois. Sorry to see him go. Wexford's gain.

Hope Cheddar gets a couple of good hurling brains on board. Is Mick Dempsey's name still going around?

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: December 04, 2020, 10:54:17 AM »
Holy god. Cheddar. Some man. After the dejection and disillusionment he must have felt working with the county board the last time to come back is amazing. I hope he gets a strong team around him as Eddie had. No better man to find resources too.

This is brilliant news of course.

The Messiah returns, again.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: December 02, 2020, 12:26:03 PM »
As in every other organization, it starts at the top. A progressive leader will bring progress. An unsuitable leader will defend the status quo and disenfranchise the progressives. The profile of our county board and the senior execs is wrong as in most counties. They are not hurling / football people as such but administrators. Unfortunately you don't see too many suitable folks putting their name forward. The likes of Niall Rigney, Pat Critchley, Cheddar and their football equivalents. I'll bet you would get far more ex-intercounty players involved in coaching and organizing if you had people like that in charge. Who would want to volunteer to help a county board that don't understand what it is like to train, manage or play at a high level for your club or county.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 27, 2020, 08:52:42 AM »
All things considered, Brennan, funding and the relative strength of our player pool, I do wonder sometimes what the end goal is. Win a Provincial? Seems very unlikely. Just be as good as you can be? What does that even mean? There's a pointlessness to all of this that gets harder to accept with each passing year and disappointment. Whoever follows Brennan, after all he exposed, would need to think long and hard about his future. Brennan did right to jump and I wouldn't blame Quirke if he did likewise. Sad to say, but you have to be realistic.

To be the best we can be is worthwhile always. To be the best of the 'Joe McDonagh' standard teams - who are all fine teams and play some great hurling. To be able to take a scalp every 2-3 years so that teams are wary of us. To maybe challenge for a provincial once every 10 years. This might be as good as we get but it is worth every bit of it to see Laois hurling people with their heads held high and kids wanting to hurl for Laois. Even with our small pool of players we can do much better. Who knows what the future holds if you can eventually get more hurling into places like Portlaoise and maybe the north of the county. No need for dejection. Lots of counties and inter-county hurlers would love to be in the position we are in.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 24, 2020, 02:35:54 PM »
Sure, he had the players going well for him, but in terms of thoroughness, I'd say Cheddar may have been better.

Cheddar probably overdid the physical prep and his teams were often lead-legged in important games. He was trying to build the team up to be able to compete physically. Our hurling was a good bit sharper under Eddie IMO. Cheddar is a legend but I would always prefer to have him on structure and development than directly managing our senior team. Niall Corcoran is easily as big a loss as Eddie and I would imagine they will go as a package to their next county.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 24, 2020, 12:56:43 PM »
A monumental day for Laois hurling, an absolute hammer blow...Not necessarily because Brennan is gone but the fact no manager with an ambition to improve Laois hurling will get the tools from our CB  to succeed. I guarantee no manager with any pedigree will touch this job as they are in no doubt what's in store if they have actual ambition...

I genuinely fear for the future of Laois hurling and in reality that I don't think our CB will be overly worried about Laois hurling falling off a cliff.

Sad day indeed. The best hurling I have ever seen from Laois came under Brennan. I hope the next manager is of the same calibre.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2020
« on: November 23, 2020, 04:31:31 PM »
Football in the future will be same as hurling is these days. The idea that a small county can make a breakthrough will disappear. Multiple tiers not just in terms of leagues but also standards and aspirations. And what care have the GAA ever given to the fate of hurling in Leitrim, Cavan, Monaghan or Mayo? (or Laois for that matter. Imagine what a 500k annual coaching investment would do to hurling in Laois, Westmeath, Carlow, Antrim etc. where there is no shortage of appetite but no resources).

Not Dublin's fault; they are so good it is an embarrassment to the GAA. A joy to watch but they have no competition. It's a bit like having the All-Blacks in the AIL, Liverpool in the league of Ireland or Celtic in the Scottish premiership. I would guess that Meath would put it up to Tipp, Cavan or Mayo and look what happened to them on Saturday.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2020
« on: November 23, 2020, 03:49:35 PM »
And if you split Mayo in two and Kerry in 3 we would be flying......  ;)

I agree that football is in huge trouble but can't see a split. What would happen if one of the Dublin teams were to become weak? The clamour to put them back together would start.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 17, 2020, 01:17:43 PM »
To be fair to the country board, I think they've generally done a good job in selecting hurling managers. Cheddar's appointment was clever (even if it kinda happened by accident) and Eddie Brennan's appointment was inspired. There is always an element of luck in every recruitment effort (especially for the small fish) but here I think they've done pretty well in both codes but especially hurling, at least in recent years. It would be a real shame to undo those good decisions now.

The county board have tended to appoint panels to appoint senior team managers. Cheddar appointed Cheddar. He was asked (by the county board in fairness) to find a manager. Other managers have been appointed by panels also. I'd say the county board regret this method as it means that the best person will usually get the job if appointed by good hurling people. It avoids yes-men.

Anyway I do hope that Eddie is retained. No harm to go into next year with the county board under pressure and the best possible manager on board.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 16, 2020, 03:26:26 PM »
Here is the job spec for next senior hurling manager:

- Doesn't stir the pot or throw the county board under the bus or highlight it's ineptness
- Doesn't cost much
- Has enough of a profile that the county board said they got their man but not so much as that he can't be sacrificed when things go wrong
- Ability to bring the county forward - optional

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