Can anyone please tell me what kind of competition it is? My friend has hogged the newsfeed of my fb with it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2014, 09:12:02 PM
Can anyone please tell me what kind of competition it is? My friend has hogged the newsfeed of my fb with it.
Try this (http://www.dalefarmmilkcup.co.uk/) link Farr.
Just checked out the BBC highlights on the website, Co Tyrone duffed by Liverpool and Antrim beating an American side in Premier section and then the only junior side shown was.............
yes you guessed it Rangers FC!!!
Tells you all you need to know about the powers that be at BBC sport, though Armagh beating Swindon might have got a mention.
Just another excuse to show how great 'Our Wee Country' is. As with other non-events, like the NW200, bigged up to show how great Norn Iron is, it couldn't run if there wasn't a shitload of public money thrown at it.
A load of wains running round like sheep but the BBC treats it like a mini woirld cup. There'd be more peeps at Owenbeg for an Intermediate match than would attend the whole thing.
A partner in my work has two sons playing at it. There are proper selection processes, they train for months, and it's competitive (they are in the Co Armagh squad).
Another colleague's husband volunteers every year as a referee.
It's easy to moan about it but it's a sports event that gets/keeps kids interested.
I have no issue with anyone participating or attending , it's the orgasmic media love-in that pisses me off.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
Just another excuse to show how great 'Our Wee Country' is. As with other non-events, like the NW200, bigged up to show how great Norn Iron is, it couldn't run if there wasn't a shitload of public money thrown at it.
A load of wains running round like sheep but the BBC treats it like a mini woirld cup. There'd be more peeps at Owenbeg for an Intermediate match than would attend the whole thing.
I think road racing should be stopped. fear the news around nw200 and IOM TT time, too many folk families torn up by it.
Some serious begrudgery on this thread.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
Just another excuse to show how great 'Our Wee Country' is. As with other non-events, like the NW200, bigged up to show how great Norn Iron is, it couldn't run if there wasn't a shitload of public money thrown at it.
A load of wains running round like sheep but the BBC treats it like a mini woirld cup. There'd be more peeps at Owenbeg for an Intermediate match than would attend the whole thing.
I think we have outstanding games in hurling and Gaelic football and for me and my family no other sport compares to the buzz associated with our club and county. However that was what we were brought up with, understand and enjoy. For others it's soccer , rugby , athletics , motor sports or even darts!! I think we should be secure enough in the pride we have in the GAA not to denigrate other sports or pastimes. To call the NW200 a non-event just doesn't stand up. I don't know the exact figures but road racing attracts hundreds of thousands of spectators every year , watching competitors of exceptional skill and bravery. Similarly in soccer the milk cup is the shop window for aspiring professional soccer players, it appears very well organised attracting some of the world's largest clubs. I feel that BBC and UTV aren't promoting our own games in the way I would like, and there's certainly a debate to be had around that, but attacking the NW200 and Milk cup undermines the credibility of the valid argument in favour of more GAA exposure
It's a great wee event. It's rare you see that level of soccer talent on these shores and it's good to see that locally. Whoever runs it does a great job of getting the man united, the nations in the u20 or whatever age it is and the liverpools etc.
It doesn't take away from gaelic seeing this but there should be more GAA coverage outside brawls.
The NW200 is huge too and a great event.
Anything that utter w**ker winker Watson seems to enjoy should not be tolerated.
I do like soccer and friends of mine have played in the milk cup but as Watson w**ks himself senseless over it year in year out it and him can f**k off.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2015, 11:10:16 AM
It's a great wee event. It's rare you see that level of soccer talent on these shores and it's good to see that locally. Whoever runs it does a great job of getting the man united, the nations in the u20 or whatever age it is and the liverpools etc.
It doesn't take away from gaelic seeing this but there should be more GAA coverage outside brawls.
The NW200 is huge too and a great event.
Agree but feel its time it was moved to a circuit
Quote from: 6th sam on July 28, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
Just another excuse to show how great 'Our Wee Country' is. As with other non-events, like the NW200, bigged up to show how great Norn Iron is, it couldn't run if there wasn't a shitload of public money thrown at it.
A load of wains running round like sheep but the BBC treats it like a mini woirld cup. There'd be more peeps at Owenbeg for an Intermediate match than would attend the whole thing.
I think we have outstanding games in hurling and Gaelic football and for me and my family no other sport compares to the buzz associated with our club and county. However that was what we were brought up with, understand and enjoy. For others it's soccer , rugby , athletics , motor sports or even darts!! I think we should be secure enough in the pride we have in the GAA not to denigrate other sports or pastimes. To call the NW200 a non-event just doesn't stand up. I don't know the exact figures but road racing attracts hundreds of thousands of spectators every year , watching competitors of exceptional skill and bravery. Similarly in soccer the milk cup is the shop window for aspiring professional soccer players, it appears very well organised attracting some of the world's largest clubs. I feel that BBC and UTV aren't promoting our own games in the way I would like, and there's certainly a debate to be had around that, but attacking the NW200 and Milk cup undermines the credibility of the valid argument in favour of more GAA exposure
agreed
calling tournaments like the milk cup 'non events' is absolutely ridiculous
There's a lot of people on here talking about begrudgery and not giving credit where its due or being derogatory to other sports.
Well my issue isn't with these sports per se or the people who play or watch them. However without the public provision of playing fields there wouldnt be a single soccer league able to run in this country let alone an 'international competition', as the vast majority of soccer clubs don't have a pot to piss in let alone have their own playing fields. If the public purse wasnt providing these you can be sure there would be next to zero soccer being played here.
The level of press coverage given to this Mickey Mouse competition is absurd. The contrast with how GAA is publicly funded and covered in the media is stark.
Though it is obviously working when you get people on here lauding the level of soccer talent coming to 'these shores'. Hahahaha Watson eat your heart out. You could count on your fingers the number of people who made it to the top level in soccer who played in the Milk Cup. God knows they are listed ad nauseum every year.
And don't get me started on Road Racing, a sport that needs to close the public roads to exist. And the hundreds of thousands, sorry, quarter of a million spectators, don't make me laugh, there wouldnt be 10,000 people paying to watch this nonsense.
Having been involved in youth football for the best part of a decade I have to say that Northern Ireland has not one but two top tier youth competitions annually. I helped out with fundraising for the Co Antrim squad 4 or 5 years ago and was very impressed with the level and quality of the organisation. The milk cup is in youth football terms a fantastic competition.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 28, 2015, 12:08:31 PM
Having been involved in youth football for the best part of a decade I have to say that Northern Ireland has not one but two top tier youth competitions annually. I helped out with fundraising for the Co Antrim squad 4 or 5 years ago and was very impressed with the level and quality of the organisation. The milk cup is in youth football terms a fantastic competition.
Thats great.
But it wouldn't exist without a huge swathe of public money being given to it directly and 'in kind'.
And the media coverage it is afforded stands in stark contrast to the likes of a feile which doesn't merit a mention in the mainstream media outlets, certainly in the North.
Quote from: 6th sam on July 28, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
Just another excuse to show how great 'Our Wee Country' is. As with other non-events, like the NW200, bigged up to show how great Norn Iron is, it couldn't run if there wasn't a shitload of public money thrown at it.
A load of wains running round like sheep but the BBC treats it like a mini woirld cup. There'd be more peeps at Owenbeg for an Intermediate match than would attend the whole thing.
I think we have outstanding games in hurling and Gaelic football and for me and my family no other sport compares to the buzz associated with our club and county. However that was what we were brought up with, understand and enjoy. For others it's soccer , rugby , athletics , motor sports or even darts!! I think we should be secure enough in the pride we have in the GAA not to denigrate other sports or pastimes. To call the NW200 a non-event just doesn't stand up. I don't know the exact figures but road racing attracts hundreds of thousands of spectators every year , watching competitors of exceptional skill and bravery absolute complete and utter stupidity. Similarly in soccer the milk cup is the shop window for aspiring professional soccer players, it appears very well organised attracting some of the world's largest clubs. I feel that BBC and UTV aren't promoting our own games in the way I would like, and there's certainly a debate to be had around that, but attacking the NW200 and Milk cup undermines the credibility of the valid argument in favour of more GAA exposure
That's my view on the Northwest. The Milk Cup wouldn't be my cup of errr Milk I guess but the people who play in it enjoy it and fair play to them it's fairly prestigious internationally and if they're able to get more coverage from the BBC then more power to them.
It's funny how many older soccer heads reckon they were good footballers because they played in the Milk Cup... Aye dead on but sure you went on the piss when you were 18 and played junior for the next 5 years wise up!!
No you are right there it wouldn't but that's not the Milk Cup's problem it does a fantastic job at a securing available public money and b marketing itself to clubs, countries, providers of public funds and the media etc. So fair play to it. Rather than begrudge it, it's maybe time other organisations took a leaf out of its book.
Glad to see my views on road racing are shared -madness
Used to like watching the milk cup
Quote from: David McKeown on July 28, 2015, 12:25:07 PM
No you are right there it wouldn't but that's not the Milk Cup's problem it does a fantastic job at a securing available public money and b marketing itself to clubs, countries, providers of public funds and the media etc. So fair play to it. Rather than begrudge it, it's maybe time other organisations took a leaf out of its book.
How could the GAA market itself to run clubs and countries and the media to run similar competitions and get the same backing? Do you believe they could?
It would be nice to see the figures comparing the public money spent on the feiles that have been run up here this past 2 years and what the likes of the milk cup gets.
You aren't really comparing like with like there. The milk cup is able to be marketed as a premier competition in a massive world wide spotr attracting competitiors from all over the worldt. I don't know enough about the feiles but I doubt they could make the same claim. Certainly the GAA couldn't. What I'm trying to say is the milk cup is excellent at extracting the maximum of everything for what it is. Be that public money, press exposure or even prestige. (It's not even the biggest youth football tournament in the area in the last fortnight in terms of participation.) Other organisations could learn a lot in this regard.
I actually though the media coverage had quite diminished from the Milk cup compared to the way it used to be covered?
Hertfordshire
New York
Philadelphia
San Francisco
Lancashire
Warwickshire
Gloucestershire
Scotland
South London
From the last Feile na nOg...
Not as comprehensive a world list as the Milk Cup but pretty decent!!
I'm not saying a feile isn't a world event but the milk cup has been cleverly able to paint itself as a premier competition in one of if not the biggest sporting events in the world.
Cleverly able to paint itself as a premier competition my ass.
The BBC is furiously flagellating itself about how important a competition it is in order to show how great OWC is, which shows where their priorities lie.
Anybody that believes that this tournament warrants the coverage given to it by the BBC needs their head examined.
If it had to stand on its own two feet it wouldn't exist.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 28, 2015, 03:24:17 PM
I'm not saying a feile isn't a world event but the milk cup has been cleverly able to paint itself as a premier competition in one of if not the biggest sporting events in the world.
Where there's a will (and a winker :)) there's a way you mean. Saying its solely down to some master stroke of marketing and PR is being disingenuous.
Pardon my ignorance but why all the hate for Stephen Watson?
Also, I do agree local media do do their best to milk the shite out of this. Pun intended. It's still a reasonably prestigious event judging by some of the clubs involved.
Lads, FFS take the blinkers off and stop comparing one sport to another. I have never been involved in the Milk Cup but it is a prestigious international youth tournament which attracts huge clubs from around the world and is a possible shop window for some of the best young Irish soccer players to get themselves noticed. I have had friends who played in it and got trials in England and Scotland on the back of it. If you want to have an idea of the quality at it read this list of players who appeared in it.
Nicky Barmby (Tottenham Hotspur)
Joey Barton (Everton) 1997(U14)
Craig Bellamy (Norwich City)
Wes Brown (Manchester United) 1996 (U16), 1994 (U14)
Sergio Busquets (F.C. Barcelona)
Nicky Butt (Manchester United) 1991
Michael Carrick (West Ham United) 1995(U14)
Peter Crouch (Tottenham Hotspur) 1997 (U16)
Jermain Defoe (Charlton Athletic) 1997 (U14)
Damien Duff (Blackburn Rovers) 1995, 1994 (U16)
Radamel Falcao (River Plate)
Ryan Giggs (Manchester United) 1991
Owen Hargreaves (Bayern Munich,1997(U16)Wales) 1998 (U19)
Thomas Hitzlsperger (Bayern Munich)
Mats Hummels (Bayern Munich)
Phil Jagielka (Everton) 1997 (U14)
Jeffren (F.C. Barcelona)
Ledley King (Tottenham Hotspur) 1997, 1996 (U16)
Steve McManaman (Liverpool) 1988
James Milner (Leeds United) 2003, 2002, 2001 (U16)
Gary Neville (Manchester United)
Wayne Rooney (Everton)
Paul Scholes (Manchester United) 1991
Danny Welbeck (Manchester United)
Not a bad list lads, 2 WC winners and multiple CL league winners. Sure Watson and his luvvies love it but f**king hell not everything they w**k over is shit!
An excellent competition devised by Coleraine man and former captain,the late Bertie Peacock.Pity sectarianism raises its ugly head during it,which precludes the participation of Bertie's former club,Celtic.
Why are Celtic "precluded"?
My initial post was aimed at the BBC and their lopsided coverage. I know a few of the lads on the Armagh team that beat and English league team and i wanted to see the highlights. I was pissed off that the only junior side they showed was Newco, i understand there is a big following here but surely they should be showing the local lads.
On an aside its good to see the highlights were actually on the main bbc sport website and not just the local page, however i feel it a testament of how far the BBC has fell behind in their overall sport coverage this past few years.
Just thinking from my youth, they lost; The Derby, The National, The Boat Race, Cheltenham, International Cricket, International Football, by and large little or no live football, losing the Masters, losing the Open Championship. im sure theres many more too.
Not too long ago a Dublin team Cherry Orchard met Rangers in one of the finals attracting a capacity crowd of knuckledraggers.Can you imagine the reaction if a Celtic team was playing?
And what happened at the final?
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Cleverly able to paint itself as a premier competition my ass.
The BBC is furiously flagellating itself about how important a competition it is in order to show how great OWC is, which shows where their priorities lie.
Anybody that believes that this tournament warrants the coverage given to it by the BBC needs their head examined.
If it had to stand on its own two feet it wouldn't exist.
Very few competitions particularly youth competitions would. Its an excellent tournament which has managed to make the most of itself. Its very small compared to some other youth football tournaments around the world but yet it can attract some major teams. It also maximises the exposure it can generate.
Michaelg what happened at the Final? The terraces were reminiscent of Windsor Park in Nivember 1993,only it was a bunch of young Dublin teenagers that were subject to vile sectarian abuse.
Quote from: theskull1 on July 28, 2015, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 28, 2015, 03:24:17 PM
I'm not saying a feile isn't a world event but the milk cup has been cleverly able to paint itself as a premier competition in one of if not the biggest sporting events in the world.
Where there's a will (and a winker :)) there's a way you mean. Saying its solely down to some master stroke of marketing and PR is being disingenuous.
Two points, the Milk Cup organisers are certainly pushing an open door when it comes to publicity from our friends in BBC NI who do cream themselves about it, no doubt about that, but I think we all know that the GAA is absolutely shit at marketing its product and reliant on their sponsors to do a bit of it. If the GAA have a marketing and media department in Croke Park, then need shot with balls of their own dung.
During the Feile, held in Ulster with thousands of youngsters playing over the weekend from every county and beyond, there was very little of it even in the supposedly Nationalist media outlets, RTÉ and so on, let alone the BBC, UTV and whoever and I blame the GAA. They should be bumming and blowing about their product a bit more, rather than lying back with the 'sure, we've the best sports in the world' nonsense.
Time some of those hoors in Croke park earned their crust.
My nephew played for the tyrone team in it two years ago. He absolutely loved it. Hes been across the water playing since though so hasnt been back to it.
Well I suppose it just goes to show that the BBC 'aren't we a great wee country getting the cream of the football world to come to our wee tournament' wankfest has certainly had the desired effect, given the amount of supposed Gaa Heads who are on here listing the merits of this as a world class event.
Need your heads examined lads.
This is a complete Mickey Mouse event. It's played on public pitches that any U-8 Gaa player would sneer at. If it wasn't in a Unionist area it would never get a mention on the beeb.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 09:55:30 AM
Well I suppose it just goes to show that the BBC 'aren't we a great wee country getting the cream of the football world to come to our wee tournament' wankfest has certainly had the desired effect, given the amount of supposed Gaa Heads who are on here listing the merits of this as a world class event.
Need your heads examined lads.
This is a complete Mickey Mouse event. It's played on public pitches that any U-8 Gaa player would sneer at. If it wasn't in a Unionist area it would never get a mention on the beeb.
So a prestigious youth tournament for the world's most popular sport and us Gaels are expected to turn our noses up at it because BBC NI give it too much coverage? Is that right?
Quote from: tyrone girl on July 29, 2015, 09:55:08 AM
My nephew played for the tyrone team in it two years ago. He absolutely loved it. Hes been across the water playing since though so hasnt been back to it.
Hate that saying!
I think it's a good competition, attracting professional teams from worldwide, so it is a big deal--yeah it receives a lot of local coverage but what else have they to talk about? Rory McElroy constantly? Fermanagh beating Westmeath? TT? I don't begrudge it's coverage at all
Quote from: general_lee on July 29, 2015, 01:18:10 PM
So a prestigious youth tournament for the world's most popular sport and us Gaels are expected to turn our noses up at it because BBC NI give it too much coverage? Is that right?
In any part of the world where people have more of an active participatory interest in other sports and would like to see those better promoted/supported by the local media/tax payer dollar, would it be wrong of them to do so rather than let global phenomenon sports win funding purely on the basis that its the world most popular sport?
Quote from: theskull1 on July 29, 2015, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 29, 2015, 01:18:10 PM
So a prestigious youth tournament for the world's most popular sport and us Gaels are expected to turn our noses up at it because BBC NI give it too much coverage? Is that right?
In any part of the world where people have more of an active participatory interest in other sports and would like to see those better promoted/supported by the local media/tax payer dollar, would it be wrong of them to do so rather than let global phenomenon sports win funding purely on the basis that its the world most popular sport?
Ok, I change that to "world's most popular sport and also one of Ireland's most popular sports".
This isnt a black and white issue GL so stop trying to make it one. No one is saying that the milk cup should or shouldn't be supported and promoted. It absolutely should. The discussion is around how there is a perception of a lack of fairness in regard to exposure and promotion by tax funded bodies. Is it wrong to discuss and try to understand if there any foundation to those perceptions?
Quote from: theskull1 on July 29, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
This isnt a black and white issue GL so stop trying to make it one. No one is saying that the milk cup should or shouldn't be supported and promoted. It absolutely should. The discussion is around how there is a perception of a lack of fairness in regard to exposure and promotion by tax funded bodies. Is it wrong to discuss and try to understand if there any foundation to those perceptions?
Look at the post directly before mine; if that isn't making it a black and white issue then I dunno. My perception is that soccer here is every bit as popular as GAA. If the GAA had an equivalent of the Milk Cup, which it doesn't, I'd be the first man calling for it to have equal standing. Same for rugby or any other sport for that matter. Do you honestly think The Milk Cup is being exposed to the detriment of the GAA? If it's a general soccer v GAA coverage argument i would probably agree with you, but the international status and prestige of this particular event vindicates it's coverage Imo.
*For the record I'd like it to be known that I wouldn't go to the back door to watch any of it
i am a father of two boys who both play soccer and one is playing this week in the milk cup and both played in last weeks foyle cup,Gaelic football is the number one choice with the boys and of course myself but soccer is very quickly catching up in popularity and the simple reason is organisation.In Gaa underage in derry you are not sure from one week to the next if and when you play,one of our best club minor teams has played something like 4 or 5 matches all year!! and dont get me started the effect of this negative crap that's being played by county teams is having.
My kids are guaranteed a match every Saturday rain hail or shine,the refs are very good (underage refs in Derry are desperate) and always turn up,if a match is scheduled for 2pm it will start at 2pm,not 2.10,2.20 ....We may gripe about the coverage it gets but they have earned that by how well it is organised and promoted,IMO the Gaa in some counties take for granted they are the top sport in there particular county but eventually this attitude will have a serious detriment on playing numbers in the future.
Massive difference imo in the number of lads playing soccer now and maybe edging more towards it than gaelic.
Our lads all played gaelic but when one was getting good at the soccer it was presenting massive opportunities for him and i suppose for other lads seeing that who have the interest it pushes them that way too.
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in theor sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Quote from: tyrone girl on July 29, 2015, 05:25:21 PM
Massive difference imo in the number of lads playing soccer now and maybe edging more towards it than gaelic.
Our lads all played gaelic but when one was getting good at the soccer it was presenting massive opportunities for him and i suppose for other lads seeing that who have the interest it pushes them that way too.
What were the massive opportunities presented to him TG?
Quote from: theskull1 on July 29, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on July 29, 2015, 05:25:21 PM
Massive difference imo in the number of lads playing soccer now and maybe edging more towards it than gaelic.
Our lads all played gaelic but when one was getting good at the soccer it was presenting massive opportunities for him and i suppose for other lads seeing that who have the interest it pushes them that way too.
What were the massive opportunities presented to him TG?
I think on average there are more likely to be opportunities in Gaa than soccer.. In terms of financial reward only a very tiny percentage of soccer players here will earn a living from the sport, and that's for a relatively short time, and away from these shores. From a GAA perspective every committed player is guaranteed a return. A number will get educational, travel and employment opportunities, and all those committed are guaranteed the lifelong benefit of being part of their community for generations. It is in this regard that GAA blows every other sport out of the water. However it is because of this sustainable sense of community and county affiliation and the absolute quality of our sports, that we don't have to work hard on aspects of organisation, marketing , and funding rights. In my experience within the GAA hinterlands, players will almost always choose GAA, but in other areas where GAA has to compete for hearts and minds, our organisation , marketing and lobbying for funding has to be much better.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in theor sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
Quote from: T Fearon on July 28, 2015, 10:52:22 PM
Michaelg what happened at the Final? The terraces were reminiscent of Windsor Park in Nivember 1993,only it was a bunch of young Dublin teenagers that were subject to vile sectarian abuse.
Were you at the match?
No.But it was reported on all news media,including TV footage.Do you seriously think any Glasgow Celtic team could play in Coleraine or Ballymena without a "reaction"?
Sad but true. Thankfully Celtic youths have plenty of big youth tournaments to choose from all over Europe.
Quote from: theskull1 on July 29, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on July 29, 2015, 05:25:21 PM
Massive difference imo in the number of lads playing soccer now and maybe edging more towards it than gaelic.
Our lads all played gaelic but when one was getting good at the soccer it was presenting massive opportunities for him and i suppose for other lads seeing that who have the interest it pushes them that way too.
What were the massive opportunities presented to him TG?
Well a lot more opportunity than the Gaelic was presenting for him. He was able to go play for Northern Ireland, sign a contract in England, move there to play professionally and travel to a load of different countries to play. Hes only turned 17 and is doing what he loves and travelled all over the place. They are massive opportunities for a lad from over here in my opinion anyway.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate an determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figure in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
The Irish News whilst they don't ignore local soccer they don't exact cover it in all it's 'glory' which is understandable as their market research shows their readers aren't interested. BBC NI sports I don't get the criticism really, they showd every Ulster game this year (except Derry/Donegal) and provide decent coverage of GAA.
Back to the main point, the Milk Cup is a superbly run competition and a great opportunity for many young fellas to display their skills at a high international junior level.
Well sure the Irish News can cover whatwever it likes, if you don't like it, don't buy it. The BBC however must be paid for if one has a TV and must therefore be held to a higher standard of impartiality.
They are providing god knows how much coverage to this tournament, there would be more people at a decent club match than would attned the whole thing, with the exception of when Man Utd were playing or for the final. For the vast majority of games there wouldnt be 2 men and his dog at it.
A high international standard?? Wtf? Ghana????
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 10:02:16 AM
Well sure the Irish News can cover whatwever it likes, if you don't like it, don't buy it. The BBC however must be paid for if one has a TV and is must therefore be held to a higher standard of impartiality.
They are providing god knows how much coverage to this tournament, there would be more people at a decent club match than would attned the whole thing, with the exception of when Man Utd were playing or for the final. For the vast majority of games there wouldnt be 2 men and his dog at it.
A high international standard?? Wtf? Ghana????
Sure Ghana is a hotbed of quality players like Asamoah Gyan and the Ayew's. BBC do a good job in my opinion and have came on leaps and bounds in the last few years. The Ulster Club really should have some sort of TV coverage though.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 30, 2015, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate an determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figure in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
The Irish News whilst they don't ignore local soccer they don't exact cover it in all it's 'glory' which is understandable as their market research shows their readers aren't interested. BBC NI sports I don't get the criticism really, they showd every Ulster game this year (except Derry/Donegal) and provide decent coverage of GAA. gaelic football
Back to the main point, the Milk Cup is a superbly run competition and a great opportunity for many young fellas to display their skills at a high international junior level.
fixed that for you.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
is this (the old) Coleraine Council you're on about? Hardly be a strong demand for council GAA pitches there? How many clubs in that area? Owen Roes, Glenullin, Ballerin, Kilrea, Swatragh maybe? If you want blatant indifference to GAA look no further than Craigavon Council >:(
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
Do Belfast City Council own the Cherryvale pitch? Is it used at all?
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
No, but it's hard to put that situation down to sectarianism, since the situation down here is similar. At least one local authority had, recently, a "football" development plan that included a free stadium for a professional soccer team. As seems to be the way of these things, however, I don't think it ever happened.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
your stress levels are off the chart. I wouldn't open the Newsletter, never mind read it most days .
Your post above sounds like it was written in the 80s ! I can only speak from experience in the north west, but DCC have an initiative with the county board providing paid coaches to deliver sessions in the primary schools in the city to promote games. One of the intermediate sides plays on a council provided GAA pitch in the waterside. How much did Pearse's pay for their new land up in the Top of The Hill? Brian Og's and Colmcille for their prime location? Na Magha hurling pitch and new changing facilities? How much funding did Brian Og's and Colmcille get for pitch build and state of the art clubhouses?
Coleraine Council have opened a new 3g pitch for rugby, gaa and soccer, Limavady the same.
There's not a youngster in Derry to my knowledge who hasn't access to GAA facilities or free coaching partly provided for by public funding .
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
your stress levels are off the chart. I wouldn't open the Newsletter, never mind read it most days .
Your post above sounds like it was written in the 80s ! I can only speak from experience in the north west, but DCC have an initiative with the county board providing paid coaches to deliver sessions in the primary schools in the city to promote games. One of the intermediate sides plays on a council provided GAA pitch in the waterside. How much did Pearse's pay for their new land up in the Top of The Hill? Brian Og's and Colmcille for their prime location? Na Magha hurling pitch and new changing facilities? How much funding did Brian Og's and Colmcille get for pitch build and state of the art clubhouses?
Coleraine Council have opened a new 3g pitch for rugby, gaa and soccer, Limavady the same.
There's not a youngster in Derry to my knowledge who hasn't access to GAA facilities or free coaching partly provided for by public funding .
I'm not surprised you don't read the News Letter as it appears you can barely read.
You certainly havent addressed any of the points that I was making, though you inadvertantly supported the general thrust of my argument with your list of clubs that
bought their own grounds. How many soccer clubs do can you list that have done the same? I would warrant the answer is zero as they are so used to getting pitches provided gratis to them there is no need for them to buy anything. The local government, and I notice you have highlighted one longterm natrionalist council, support is a belated and minimal effort to redress a glaring imbalance.
I never mentioned coaching programmes but I can tell you that the vast vast majority of GAA coaching is funded directly by the GAA, so how this is a relevant point is beyond me.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
your stress levels are off the chart. I wouldn't open the Newsletter, never mind read it most days .
Your post above sounds like it was written in the 80s ! I can only speak from experience in the north west, but DCC have an initiative with the county board providing paid coaches to deliver sessions in the primary schools in the city to promote games. One of the intermediate sides plays on a council provided GAA pitch in the waterside. How much did Pearse's pay for their new land up in the Top of The Hill? Brian Og's and Colmcille for their prime location? Na Magha hurling pitch and new changing facilities? How much funding did Brian Og's and Colmcille get for pitch build and state of the art clubhouses?
Coleraine Council have opened a new 3g pitch for rugby, gaa and soccer, Limavady the same.
There's not a youngster in Derry to my knowledge who hasn't access to GAA facilities or free coaching partly provided for by public funding .
I'm not surprised you don't read the News Letter as it appears you can barely read.
You certainly havent addressed any of the points that I was making, though you inadvertantly supported the general thrust of my argument with your list of clubs that bought their own grounds. How many soccer clubs do can you list that have done the same? I would warrant the answer is zero as they are so used to getting pitches provided gratis to them there is no need for them to buy anything. The local government, and I notice you have highlighted one longterm natrionalist council, support is a belated and minimal effort to redress a glaring imbalance.
I never mentioned coaching programmes but I can tell you that the vast vast majority of GAA coaching is funded directly by the GAA, so how this is a relevant point is beyond me.
Do you know what the city clubs paid for their prime bit of land?
a very small percentage of junior soccer clubs would like their own pitch, the vast majority wouldn't. Most are basically a gather up of boys which changes season on season. Leagues have teams folding and new ones starting up yearly. They don't have the membership numbers of gaa clubs, the level of volunteers. Its the largest participation sport by and its the councils responsibility to provide leisure facilities for its people. The GAA is provided for in Derry City with a full sized grass pitch which holds intermediate grade matches, has done for years. this same club has also been given land to build their own new ground
Do you think GAA clubs would want to be using council pitches or ones they own (with a big help of public funds)?
you didn't mention coaching, but i did, because it shows that the council are now helping with the provision of coaching financially.
you want to whinge away about the poor old GAA getting buck all and soccer gets everything, because thats what your initial posts boils down to...knock yourself out
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
your stress levels are off the chart. I wouldn't open the Newsletter, never mind read it most days .
Your post above sounds like it was written in the 80s ! I can only speak from experience in the north west, but DCC have an initiative with the county board providing paid coaches to deliver sessions in the primary schools in the city to promote games. One of the intermediate sides plays on a council provided GAA pitch in the waterside. How much did Pearse's pay for their new land up in the Top of The Hill? Brian Og's and Colmcille for their prime location? Na Magha hurling pitch and new changing facilities? How much funding did Brian Og's and Colmcille get for pitch build and state of the art clubhouses?
Coleraine Council have opened a new 3g pitch for rugby, gaa and soccer, Limavady the same.
There's not a youngster in Derry to my knowledge who hasn't access to GAA facilities or free coaching partly provided for by public funding .
I'm not surprised you don't read the News Letter as it appears you can barely read.
You certainly havent addressed any of the points that I was making, though you inadvertantly supported the general thrust of my argument with your list of clubs that bought their own grounds. How many soccer clubs do can you list that have done the same? I would warrant the answer is zero as they are so used to getting pitches provided gratis to them there is no need for them to buy anything. The local government, and I notice you have highlighted one longterm natrionalist council, support is a belated and minimal effort to redress a glaring imbalance.
I never mentioned coaching programmes but I can tell you that the vast vast majority of GAA coaching is funded directly by the GAA, so how this is a relevant point is beyond me.
Do you know what the city clubs paid for their prime bit of land?
a very small percentage of junior soccer clubs would like their own pitch, the vast majority wouldn't. Most are basically a gather up of boys which changes season on season. Leagues have teams folding and new ones starting up yearly. They don't have the membership numbers of gaa clubs, the level of volunteers. Its the largest participation sport by and its the councils responsibility to provide leisure facilities for its people. The GAA is provided for in Derry City with a full sized grass pitch which holds intermediate grade matches, has done for years. this same club has also been given land to build their own new ground
Do you think GAA clubs would want to be using council pitches or ones they own (with a big help of public funds)?
you didn't mention coaching, but i did, because it shows that the council are now helping with the provision of coaching financially.
you want to whinge away about the poor old GAA getting buck all and soccer gets everything, because thats what your initial posts boils down to...knock yourself out
Well I don't need to do that as you are proving my point for me by highlighting the fact that your beacon of GAA supporting councils has provided the princely total of one pitch for GAA. How many soccer pitches have they? I can guarantee it has scores of them.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
your stress levels are off the chart. I wouldn't open the Newsletter, never mind read it most days .
Your post above sounds like it was written in the 80s ! I can only speak from experience in the north west, but DCC have an initiative with the county board providing paid coaches to deliver sessions in the primary schools in the city to promote games. One of the intermediate sides plays on a council provided GAA pitch in the waterside. How much did Pearse's pay for their new land up in the Top of The Hill? Brian Og's and Colmcille for their prime location? Na Magha hurling pitch and new changing facilities? How much funding did Brian Og's and Colmcille get for pitch build and state of the art clubhouses?
Coleraine Council have opened a new 3g pitch for rugby, gaa and soccer, Limavady the same.
There's not a youngster in Derry to my knowledge who hasn't access to GAA facilities or free coaching partly provided for by public funding .
I'm not surprised you don't read the News Letter as it appears you can barely read.
You certainly havent addressed any of the points that I was making, though you inadvertantly supported the general thrust of my argument with your list of clubs that bought their own grounds. How many soccer clubs do can you list that have done the same? I would warrant the answer is zero as they are so used to getting pitches provided gratis to them there is no need for them to buy anything. The local government, and I notice you have highlighted one longterm natrionalist council, support is a belated and minimal effort to redress a glaring imbalance.
I never mentioned coaching programmes but I can tell you that the vast vast majority of GAA coaching is funded directly by the GAA, so how this is a relevant point is beyond me.
Do you know what the city clubs paid for their prime bit of land?
a very small percentage of junior soccer clubs would like their own pitch, the vast majority wouldn't. Most are basically a gather up of boys which changes season on season. Leagues have teams folding and new ones starting up yearly. They don't have the membership numbers of gaa clubs, the level of volunteers. Its the largest participation sport by and its the councils responsibility to provide leisure facilities for its people. The GAA is provided for in Derry City with a full sized grass pitch which holds intermediate grade matches, has done for years. this same club has also been given land to build their own new ground
Do you think GAA clubs would want to be using council pitches or ones they own (with a big help of public funds)?
you didn't mention coaching, but i did, because it shows that the council are now helping with the provision of coaching financially.
you want to whinge away about the poor old GAA getting buck all and soccer gets everything, because thats what your initial posts boils down to...knock yourself out
Well I don't need to do that as you are proving my point for me by highlighting the fact that your beacon of GAA supporting councils has provided the princely total of one pitch for GAA. How many soccer pitches have they? I can guarantee it has scores of them.
I'm not proving you point. your general whinge is that local council provide everything for soccer and nothing for GAA. In the past this may have been true. Today its different, that's my point
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
I'm not proving you point. your general whinge is that local council provide everything for soccer and nothing for GAA. In the past this may have been true. Today its different, that's my point
Are you saying that this is done in a fair and even manor? I'd beg to differ with on that if you are
Quote from: theskull1 on July 30, 2015, 01:36:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
I'm not proving you point. your general whinge is that local council provide everything for soccer and nothing for GAA. In the past this may have been true. Today its different, that's my point
Are you saying that this is done in a fair and even manor? I'd beg to differ with on that if you are
fair and even today? I don't know but I do know local council and public funding for the GAA is rising steeply.2 x city clubs in recent years have received massive amounts from public funding. Do you have participation figures and what each sport gets relevant to participation levels or are we still going with 'perception'? Maybe figures from 15 years ago and today? My perception is its going in the right direction
I'm going purely on perception and anecdotal experience.
Last year we got near a grand from our local council as part of Feile on the basis we were bringing tourists to the area. It was to cover team travelling expenses from memory.
The old hands in our club couldn't believe it as it was the FIRST time we'd got a cent from them. We've been about for 107 years now.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 30, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 29, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 29, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
Well I certainly agree with a lot of what cockahoop is saying in terms of organisation and fair play to his lads playing a bit of soccer and doing well at it. The organisation of underage GAA in Derry is a complete joke.
However my quibble with the organisation of soccer versus Gaelic is the way in which they are publicised and funded. How many soccer matches would be played if public funds weren't providing the playing spaces for them? I would hazard that it would be a grand total of none quite frankly as there are a miniscule number of clubs that own their own ground. Why should the public purse pay to provide soccer grounds and not Gaelic grounds?
In terms of publicity I read the News Letter most days for a laugh. Today in their sports section they had a 2 page spread on pigeon racing, [I kid you not] another page on cricket, a few pieces on bowls. There wasn't a mention of GAA at all in their coverage. Now that is fair enough as it is up to any paper to print what it thinks its readers want. But that does not wash for a public service broadcaster such as the BBC and i think it is obvious they have a similar attiude to the GAA as the Newsletter does. In particular their treatment of the Milk Cup shows the bias they have towards any sport that is not GAA. the success of their efforts is obvious on here by the number of people who are proclaiming this to be a world class event. It's not. It's a crowd of wains running after a ball on a pitch that the soccer authorities havent paid a brass farthing for.
Do you go out of your way to get offended? Funding for the Milk Cup and GAA coverage in the Newsletter....sweet jesus but your stress levels can't be good
My stress levels are quite obviously much better than your comprehension!
The News Letter reference was merely used to illustrate a determined attitude amongst a large swathe of the population to steadfastly ignore the GAA as if it doesn't exist, and big up anything that reinforces the unionist hegemony. An unfortunate viewpoint that is clearly held by many influential figures in the BBC NI sports dept. It's not quite the 'IRA at play' anymore but it is only slowly moving away from that IMO.
Do you think it is ok for a local council to provide and maintain scores of pitches for one sport and the grand total of zero pitches for another equally popular one. It's hardly a level playing field now is it?
your stress levels are off the chart. I wouldn't open the Newsletter, never mind read it most days .
Your post above sounds like it was written in the 80s ! I can only speak from experience in the north west, but DCC have an initiative with the county board providing paid coaches to deliver sessions in the primary schools in the city to promote games. One of the intermediate sides plays on a council provided GAA pitch in the waterside. How much did Pearse's pay for their new land up in the Top of The Hill? Brian Og's and Colmcille for their prime location? Na Magha hurling pitch and new changing facilities? How much funding did Brian Og's and Colmcille get for pitch build and state of the art clubhouses?
Coleraine Council have opened a new 3g pitch for rugby, gaa and soccer, Limavady the same.
There's not a youngster in Derry to my knowledge who hasn't access to GAA facilities or free coaching partly provided for by public funding .
I'm not surprised you don't read the News Letter as it appears you can barely read.
You certainly havent addressed any of the points that I was making, though you inadvertantly supported the general thrust of my argument with your list of clubs that bought their own grounds. How many soccer clubs do can you list that have done the same? I would warrant the answer is zero as they are so used to getting pitches provided gratis to them there is no need for them to buy anything. The local government, and I notice you have highlighted one longterm natrionalist council, support is a belated and minimal effort to redress a glaring imbalance.
I never mentioned coaching programmes but I can tell you that the vast vast majority of GAA coaching is funded directly by the GAA, so how this is a relevant point is beyond me.
Do you know what the city clubs paid for their prime bit of land?
a very small percentage of junior soccer clubs would like their own pitch, the vast majority wouldn't. Most are basically a gather up of boys which changes season on season. Leagues have teams folding and new ones starting up yearly. They don't have the membership numbers of gaa clubs, the level of volunteers. Its the largest participation sport by and its the councils responsibility to provide leisure facilities for its people. The GAA is provided for in Derry City with a full sized grass pitch which holds intermediate grade matches, has done for years. this same club has also been given land to build their own new ground
Do you think GAA clubs would want to be using council pitches or ones they own (with a big help of public funds)?
you didn't mention coaching, but i did, because it shows that the council are now helping with the provision of coaching financially.
you want to whinge away about the poor old GAA getting buck all and soccer gets everything, because thats what your initial posts boils down to...knock yourself out
Well I don't need to do that as you are proving my point for me by highlighting the fact that your beacon of GAA supporting councils has provided the princely total of one pitch for GAA. How many soccer pitches have they? I can guarantee it has scores of them.
I'm not proving you point. your general whinge is that local council provide everything for soccer and nothing for GAA. In the past this may have been true. Today its different, that's my point
Well i don't see why you need to use words like whinge or exaggerate that I said councils provide nothing for GAA. I have made a fairly reasoned and cogent argument about the disparity between the provision for other sports as compared to GAA. Your own rebuttals have even confirmed these points. I recognise that ther ehave been improvements, but it is clear that there is still a major disparity in many areas. These are facts not opinions.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2015, 02:17:05 PM
Well i don't see why you need to use words like whinge or exaggerate that I said councils provide nothing for GAA. I have made a fairly reasoned and cogent argument about the disparity between the provision for other sports as compared to GAA. Your own rebuttals have even confirmed these points. I recognise that ther ehave been improvements, but it is clear that there is still a major disparity in many areas. These are facts not opinions.
+1
Why is this 'not even subtle' point lost on some people
Quote from: Hardy on July 30, 2015, 11:10:10 AM
situation down here is similar. At least one local authority had, recently, a "football" development plan that included a free stadium for a professional soccer team. As seems to be the way of these things, however, I don't think it ever happened.
It certainly happened in south Dublin County Council with Scumrock Rovers getting a free ( to them - cost us taxpayers €14m) Stadium and the FAI got "football" development officers' (2 at least ) salaries paid for by the same Council.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 30, 2015, 11:10:10 AM
situation down here is similar. At least one local authority had, recently, a "football" development plan that included a free stadium for a professional soccer team. As seems to be the way of these things, however, I don't think it ever happened.
It certainly happened in south Dublin County Council with Scumrock Rovers getting a free ( to them - cost us taxpayers €14m) Stadium and the FAI got "football" development officers' (2 at least ) salaries paid for by the same Council.
I didn't even want to mention that. I'm just not up to three weeks of deja vu with dublinfella.
The point has been made there is a far higher demand for soccer pitches than Gaa pitches in Northern Ireland so it's of little surprise. GAA clubs by and large own their own pitches and are able to use them for most matches that need played, clubs exist for years and years and rarely fold or reform allowing them to keep assets. They also rarely have more than one team per age level at under age and quite often amalgamate at under age (which is spread over two years not one) so they simply don't have the same demand for pitches. Football clubs are completely different, take for example the side I currently coach. I've been with the same 10 kids for 6 years. We are one of the top 15 or so clubs at our age level, this is our 5th different team since I started. That wouldn't happen in the GAA. Two years ago we trained at Mallusk all summer which has two GAA pitches. I saw one of those pitches in use a handful of times all summer. It's not the fault of councils there just doesn't seem to be the same demand there for GAA pitches.
Btw my last club, Mallusk athletic couldn't get a pitch from the council for training or matches once the late evenings ended. We hired a private rugby pitch for gaining and played on a private members former cricket pitch. Similarly Apex where I started coaching often had trouble securing pitches and they were a very big successful club which produced a number of professional footballers including Cathcart and Paddy McNair so it's most definitely not a case in my experience that councils are falling over themselves to help out soccer teams but not GAA teams but maybe some one knows differently.
It's based in Coleraine. Of course there'll be a staunch Rangers-bias. What else do you expect?