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So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

To be fair your second post on this referenced Britain and Ireland. Bit hypocritical tbh.

Let's say in a few years' time a united Ireland is democratically voted for, and the Loyalists decide they want to create a "Ballymena Peoples Republic" and a "Newtownards People's Republic", and the Brits arm them, and the local nuts shoot down a civilian airliner using British weapons, and the Brits invade County Armagh and County Louth and decide to call it part of Britain.

And continually undermine the Dublin government and threaten to invade the whole island again.

I presume you'll be supporting the Brits and the Loyalists in that case.

Because it would be directly analogous to what Ukraine has had done to it by Russia.

Sorry that's just waffle. I didn't put my position on the conflict. I just called out your usual BS where your whinging about someone mentioning Cuba when in your second post referenced the conflict in Ireland.
Stop trying to dictate the agenda and virtually puffing your chest out and you might find discussions more productive that the usual mess that they descend into when your involved.

It isn't me that makes a mess of topics. It's narcissistic buffoons who decide to go off topic when they haven't the first idea about the topic at hand.

Have a look in the mirror.

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

To be fair your second post on this referenced Britain and Ireland. Bit hypocritical tbh.

Let's say in a few years' time a united Ireland is democratically voted for, and the Loyalists decide they want to create a "Ballymena Peoples Republic" and a "Newtownards People's Republic", and the Brits arm them, and the local nuts shoot down a civilian airliner using British weapons, and the Brits invade County Armagh and County Louth and decide to call it part of Britain.

And continually undermine the Dublin government and threaten to invade the whole island again.

I presume you'll be supporting the Brits and the Loyalists in that case.

Because it would be directly analogous to what Ukraine has had done to it by Russia.

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

It's hard for "the west" to take the moral high ground with Russia and what they're doing to Ukraine when they all sit and do nothing with the US and their ongoing actions in Cuba.

The US doesn't occupy Cuba. Nobody occupies Cuba.

Is "Cuba" all you've got to whatabout about Russian war mongering?

The sum position of you and several other posters here is the Mick Wallace/Claire Daly one, ie. "US bad, Russia good", repeat repeat repeat like a zombie.

Wallace and Daly are a f**king embarrassment to the Ireland. I hope for their sakes they're getting paid well by Russia to act as cheerleaders.

Youse lot here aren't, yis are just useful eejits.

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Didn't the Americans help topple the pro-Russian government in Ukraine only with the last decade? No mention of that from most people.

Also no mention of the massive coordinated training exercises by NATO in a non-member state right next door to Russia. Of course mentioning facts like this makes you a Russian propagandist 😂

More waffling about NATO. Yawn. NATO is an international treaty organisation which exists precisely of the threat which we are seeing in real time from Russia. Russia itself has proven beyond doubt the necessity for NATO. Like, duh.

And the case for Ireland joining NATO grows by the day, especially given what the Russians have planned for off our coast.

Russia propagandists hate NATO because they quite rightly took action against Russia's allies the Serbs, who were in the process of genociding Kosovar Albanians.

That that genocide couldn't continue really sticks in the craw of the Russia propagandists.

More waffling? It's context you clampet. I know what NATO is, they were literally carrying out military exercises to simulate the event of a war with Russia on Russia's doorstep ffs. You can't dismiss me pointing out all this posturing as "waffle". I'm not a propagandist, as if I really give two fucks what you or anyone on this board believe about Russia! And with that I bid you a goodbye, enjoy penning your reply but I won't be reading or responding to it. Past experience has taught me you are a complete mentalist with too much time on your hands 

More waffle.

Ukraine is not a NATO member.

So what's Russia's position?

"We're invading a non-NATO member because we don't like NATO, which exists because of our war mongering since 1945?"

Sums it up, doesn't it?

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Didn't the Americans help topple the pro-Russian government in Ukraine only with the last decade? No mention of that from most people.

Also no mention of the massive coordinated training exercises by NATO in a non-member state right next door to Russia. Of course mentioning facts like this makes you a Russian propagandist 😂

More waffling about NATO. Yawn. NATO is an international treaty organisation which exists precisely of the threat which we are seeing in real time from Russia. Russia itself has proven beyond doubt the necessity for NATO. Like, duh.

And the case for Ireland joining NATO grows by the day, especially given what the Russians have planned for off our coast.

Russia propagandists hate NATO because they quite rightly took action against Russia's allies the Serbs, who were in the process of genociding Kosovar Albanians.

That that genocide couldn't continue really sticks in the craw of the Russia propagandists.

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Indeed they have no right. No right at all.

Here's the thing, when you hear somebody waffling about NATO it's a dead giveaway that they're all they're here to do is to spout bullshit Russian whataboutery and propaganda.

NATO exists for a reason.

Russia is proving the reason for NATO's existence is a very good one indeed.

A non-NATO member on Russia's doorstep is already occupied and threatened with a coup and the installation of a Russian puppet regime and/or full occupation. For having the temerity to not be a vassal state.

Next door in Belarus, the people voted out their authoritarian leader in 2020, and his response was to reject the democratic wishes of the people, go full tyrant and invite the Russians in.

Russia interfered in Georgia and Moldova in order to hobble them on the international stage. Now it's done the same in Kazakhstan.

The lesson is - have the temerity to be a democracy or look like you might become a democracy, and Russia will crush you with its jackboots.

Russia is paranoid. So are Israel and Poland.
World War 2 never ended.

Much like their allies the Serbs, Putin and the Russian regime are driven by a perpetual state of victimhood and self-pity. Russia is a fundamentally unserious country. In their own minds they could never have done any wrong. Putin is a criminal tyrant who has raped the Russian people and Russian society of its resources. As regards foreign policy his ideology is that of a petulant four year old. He genuinely believes that Russia has a God given right to control other countries as it likes.

It is absolutely hilarious to see self styled anti-imperialists weigh in to defend the arch-imperialists.

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Didn't the Americans help topple the pro-Russian government in Ukraine only with the last decade? No mention of that from most people.

The pro-Russian president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, turned his guns on peaceful protestors on the Maidan in 2014, slaughtered dozens, and then fled to Russia.

Yanukovych was a puppet of Putin and a murderous traitor.

This is the sort of guy youse Russia lovers uphold as their idea of "democracy" (ie. not democracy at all).

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Indeed they have no right. No right at all.

Here's the thing, when you hear somebody waffling about NATO it's a dead giveaway that they're all they're here to do is to spout bullshit Russian whataboutery and propaganda.

NATO exists for a reason.

Russia is proving the reason for NATO's existence is a very good one indeed.

A non-NATO member on Russia's doorstep is already occupied and threatened with a coup and the installation of a Russian puppet regime and/or full occupation. For having the temerity to not be a vassal state.

Next door in Belarus, the people voted out their authoritarian leader in 2020, and his response was to reject the democratic wishes of the people, go full tyrant and invite the Russians in.

Russia interfered in Georgia and Moldova in order to hobble them on the international stage. Now it's done the same in Kazakhstan.

The lesson is - have the temerity to be a democracy or look like you might become a democracy, and Russia will crush you with its jackboots.

Last time I looked, Cuba was not near Ukraine.

Thanks for the insult.

If you want to give a relevant reply, I'm all ears.

Your some boy to be yapping about insults. Everything you touch on this board rapidly descends into poison.


Its nice to see you can at least read a map.

Of course, you've nothing substantive on why its OK for some countries to put Cubans through the mill and not OK for others to put Ukraine through a similar mill.

You're some boy to talk about "substantive" posts when you decide that a thread about Ukraine should not be about Ukraine and instead be about Cuba.

Poison, eh? Is that a nod to the favourite execution technique of the Russians?

Cuba is totally and utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

You don't set the boundaries of this discussion nor is Cuba irrelevant.

Have you got anything to contribute to the topic except an attempt at dumb whataboutery?

You don't even have the brains to come back with Cuba's lack of democratic elections.

But your obviously quite happy to see the general population punished by their neighbouring states.

Last time I looked, Cuba was not near Ukraine.

Thanks for the insult.

If you want to give a relevant reply, I'm all ears.

The simple fact is anybody who is not in support of Ukraine's independence and its democracy and its right to align itself the way it wants - with the west - is de facto pro-war, pro-imperialism, pro-dictatorship, anti-the rights of smaller nations and anti-democracy.

So whats your take on Cuba then...?

Cuba is totally and utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

Have you got anything to contribute to the topic except an attempt at dumb whataboutery?

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.

Hmm more like Reuters... the Azov battalions have been absorbed into the Ukrainian military. They don't need nor want political support, not when they're on the same hymn sheet as the government - bit like the (then legal) UDA here in the north back in the 1980s.

The entire ideology guiding Russia and Putin is Nazi-like. They want empire.

Ukraine has a Jewish President and until recently a Jewish Prime Minister too.

Russia has no business interfering in Ukraine.

To say it has is to say that the Brits should malevolently interfere in the business of the Irish state.

Russia has as much business interfering in Ukraine as the west has interfering in any other country.

You're deflecting with irrelevant red herrings.

Ukraine has democratically chosen to align itself with the west.

Russia denies it should it should have that right. Putin openly denies the right to Ukrainian statehood.

Russia is entirely in the wrong.

It is a warmongering, imperialist, criminal state.

The west has a duty to uphold Ukrainian independence (it is already partly occupied by the Russian mafia state) and Ukrainina  interests. If it does not do so it will have failed in its moral duty.

The simple fact is anybody who is not in support of Ukraine's independence and its democracy and its right to align itself the way it wants - with the west - is de facto pro-war, pro-imperialism, pro-dictatorship, anti-the rights of smaller nations and anti-democracy.

How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.

Hmm more like Reuters... the Azov battalions have been absorbed into the Ukrainian military. They don't need nor want political support, not when they're on the same hymn sheet as the government - bit like the (then legal) UDA here in the north back in the 1980s.

The entire ideology guiding Russia and Putin is Nazi-like. They want empire.

Ukraine has a Jewish President and until recently a Jewish Prime Minister too.

Russia has no business interfering in Ukraine.

To say it has is to say that the Brits should malevolently interfere in the business of the Irish state.