4,444 victims: extent of abuse in Catholic church in Australia revealed
37% of all private sessions royal commission held with survivors related to the Catholic church
The average age of alleged victims was 10.5 for girls and just over 11.5 for boys
In one order 40% of religious brothers are believed to have abused children
Seven per cent of Australia's Catholic priests were accused of abusing children in the six decades since 1950, according to new data from the royal commission.
On Monday the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse released damning statistics on the scale of the crisis within the Catholic Church. The numbers confirm the extent of sexual predation already suggested by four years of royal commission hearings involving the church, which are now entering their final weeks.
Up to 15% of priests in some dioceses were alleged perpetrators between 1950 and 2015, with abusers most prevalent in the dioceses of Sale and Sandhurst in Victoria, Port Pirie in South Australia, and Lismore and Wollongong in New South Wales. The numbers were even worse in some national Catholic orders. By far the worst was the order of the St John of God Brothers, where a staggering 40% of religious brothers are believed to have abused children.
Twenty-two per cent of Christian Brothers and 20% of Marist Brothers, both orders that run schools, were alleged perpetrators. More than one in five priests in the Benedictine community of New Norcia were alleged perpetrators, while 17.2% of clergy were accused of crimes against children in the Salesians of Don Bosco order.
In total, between 1980 and 2015, 4,444 people alleged incidents of child sexual abuse relating to 93 Catholic Church authorities. The abuse allegedly took place in more than 1,000 institutions. The average age of victims was 10.5 for girls and 11.6 for boys. The overwhelming majority of survivors were male. Almost 1,900 perpetrators were identified and another 500 remained unidentified. Thirty-two per cent were religious brothers, 30% were priests, 29% were lay people and 5% were religious sisters.
The royal commission said 37% of all private sessions it held with survivors from all institutions related to abuse in the Catholic Church.
Farrell scandal puts Catholic church's attitude to Australian law under the microscope
The disturbing figures were revealed by senior counsel assisting, Gail Furness, SC. She also revealed that the Holy See had refused to hand over documents involving Australian priests accused of abuse.
"The royal commission hoped to gain an understanding of the action taken in each case," Furness said. "The Holy See responded, on 1 July 2014, that it was 'neither possible nor appropriate to provide the information requested'," she said.
Furness said the responses of Catholic diocese and orders across the country were "depressingly similar".
"Children were ignored or worse, punished. Allegations were not investigated. Priests and religious [brothers] were moved. The parishes or communities to which they were moved knew nothing of their past," she said. "Documents were not kept or they were destroyed. Secrecy prevailed as did cover-ups."
The church's Truth, Justice and Healing council, set up to coordinate the church's response to the crisis, made an opening statement following the release of the data. Chief executive Francis Sullivan struggled with emotion as he spoke, saying the data without doubt "undermines the image and credibility of the priesthood".
"These numbers are shocking, they are tragic, they are indefensible," Sullivan said. "And each entry in this data for the most part represents a child who suffered at the hands of someone who should have cared for and protected them.
"The data is an indictment on the priests and religious who abused these children. It also reflects on the church leaders who at times failed to take steps to deal with the abusers, failed to call them to order and failed to deal with them in accordance with the law."
Sullivan described the abuse as a "massive failure" of the church and as a corruption of the gospel.
"As Catholics, we hang our heads in shame," he said.
Sullivan outlined the key programs of change undertaken by the church. That included the establishment of the professional standards body responsible for auditing and reporting on the compliance of bishops and church leaders with child protection standards. It also includes revisiting abuse claims, the push for a national redress scheme, the recruitment of new professional standards officers and the creation of stronger child protection policies and procedures.
The royal commission is now in its final stage of examining abuse by Catholic clergy and the responses of various Catholic authorities. The final three weeks are expected to focus on cultural causes of the offending, the current child protection policies of the church, and the way it has responded to the royal commission case studies so far. The archbishops of Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne Canberra-Goulburn, Perth and Brisbane are due to give evidence.
The hearing aims to answer the questions that linger in many survivors' minds: why did the abuse happen at such a scale? And why was it covered-up for so long?
Church leaders last week began warning churchgoers and schools about the final weeks of the royal commission. The archbishop of Brisbane, Mark Coleridge, released a video to Catholic school parents and churches warning them to expect some "grim moments". He said the final hearing would allow the church to tell a "better story" about how it has changed.
"Through these three weeks there will be some grim moments and there will be some shocks, inevitably," he said. "But there will also be a chance to tell a better story of what has been done and what is being done now."
He said the church would need to show how it had changed culturally, as well as through amendments to flawed child protection policies and procedures.
"It's not enough to change procedures and protocols, that has to happen. But we have to shift the culture and that's a much more difficult thing to do," he said.
This thread has a misleading title, there is no evidence of the commission holding thousands of Australian kids and their parents at fault.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
This thread has a misleading title, there is no evidence of the commission holding thousands of Australian kids and their parents at fault.
I'd hazard a guess the title is a dig at the resident defender of the indefensible/Sean Brady on this discussion board and not to be taken literally.
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
This thread has a misleading title, there is no evidence of the commission holding thousands of Australian kids and their parents at fault.
I'd hazard a guess the title is a dig at the resident defender of the indefensible/Sean Brady on this discussion board and not to be taken literally.
Done in completely poor taste and giving the resident defender a platform as usual.
Quote from: No wides on February 06, 2017, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
This thread has a misleading title, there is no evidence of the commission holding thousands of Australian kids and their parents at fault.
I'd hazard a guess the title is a dig at the resident defender of the indefensible/Sean Brady on this discussion board and not to be taken literally.
Done in completely poor taste and giving the resident defender a platform as usual.
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
The originator of the thread obviously holds the victims and parents in contempt as he trys and fails to be funny.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
Perfect post.
you'd have to wonder about how those men were recruited into the religious orders and how they became sexual predators
were they attracted by the availability of vunerable children?
or was it something in their training and culture in the orders and often isolation that led them to commit such horrible acts?
the same happened in Ireland, don't forget
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 06, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
you'd have to wonder about how those men were recruited into the religious orders and how they became sexual predators
were they attracted by the availability of vunerable children?
or was it something in their training and culture in the orders and often isolation that led them to commit such horrible acts?
the same happened in Ireland, don't forget
You'll find that they will enter a job that places them in a position to take advantage of vulnerable children... Something either already in them or they have been abused themselves long before landing a job which will suit their needs
>:(
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
>:(Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
It's an idiotic thread title which has absolutely no rational justification.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 06, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
you'd have to wonder about how those men were recruited into the religious orders and how they became sexual predators
were they attracted by the availability of vunerable children?
or was it something in their training and culture in the orders and often isolation that led them to commit such horrible acts?
the same happened in Ireland, don't forget
I'm sure there are some who enter knowing they will have access to children. I don't think you can just become a padeo though. Surely you'd have to be that way inclined already?
The scale of this makes you think the church there was just one big padeophile ring.
It's a system problem for the catholic church. And there was a social change which allowed people to talk openly about abuse. Game over.
Quote from: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
>:(Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
It's an idiotic thread title which has absolutely no rational justification.
Pathetic title the originator shows no remorse in his point scoring. Thread should be pulled for the title alone.
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
>:(Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
It's an idiotic thread title which has absolutely no rational justification.
Pathetic title the originator shows no remorse in his point scoring. Thread should be pulled for the title alone.
The title is straight outta Fearon and on the ball
Quote from: laoislad on February 07, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
The scale of this makes you think the church there was just one big padeophile ring.
it seems likely that certain religious orders were this way, and the rest of the members can hardly have been ignorant and presumably the leadership was drawn from the same pool. Whereas in the general diocesan structure you have a smaller proportion and most people would never have served directly with such a person.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2017, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 06, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
you'd have to wonder about how those men were recruited into the religious orders and how they became sexual predators
were they attracted by the availability of vunerable children?
or was it something in their training and culture in the orders and often isolation that led them to commit such horrible acts?
the same happened in Ireland, don't forget
You'll find that they will enter a job that places them in a position to take advantage of vulnerable children... Something either already in them or they have been abused themselves long before landing a job which will suit their needs
In many instances, totally unsuitable individuals wound up in religious orders, brothers and nuns, out of economic necessity. This was what an ex-CB told me and I have no reason to doubt his word.
His mother told him when he was a teenager that she was "putting him in" to the Christian Brothers. She had three sons; one would get the farm, another would get third level education and the third who was my informant, was destined for the religious life. She reckoned that he'd get three square meals a day and have a roof over his head as well as the other necessities of life as she put it.
He also told me that very many of his contemporaries wound up wearing collars of some sort because the only alternative was to take the boat and look for work in England.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 07, 2017, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2017, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 06, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
you'd have to wonder about how those men were recruited into the religious orders and how they became sexual predators
were they attracted by the availability of vunerable children?
or was it something in their training and culture in the orders and often isolation that led them to commit such horrible acts?
the same happened in Ireland, don't forget
You'll find that they will enter a job that places them in a position to take advantage of vulnerable children... Something either already in them or they have been abused themselves long before landing a job which will suit their needs
In many instances, totally unsuitable individuals wound up in religious orders, brothers and nuns, out of economic necessity. This was what an ex-CB told me and I have no reason to doubt his word.
His mother told him when he was a teenager that she was "putting him in" to the Christian Brothers. She had three sons; one would get the farm, another would get third level education and the third who was my informant, was destined for the religious life. She reckoned that he'd get three square meals a day and have a roof over his head as well as the other necessities of life as she put it.
He also told me that very many of his contemporaries wound up wearing collars of some sort because the only alternative was to take the boat and look for work in England.
Surely you'd need some sort of education to become a clergyman of sorts? Mayby not the Nuns who have a vow of silence but a lot of the CB where in education and teaching... as where some Nuns within schools!
It wouldnt have to be just with clergy, people in various jobs that had the abilty to use vunerable children for their own needs would (IMO) seek employment in those areas, teaching, social workers, youth workers to name a few
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2017, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
>:(Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
It's an idiotic thread title which has absolutely no rational justification.
Pathetic title the originator shows no remorse in his point scoring. Thread should be pulled for the title alone.
The title is straight outta Fearon and on the ball
Tony Fearon had nothing to do with this abuse or the shameful title of this thread. The originator a member of the watsup group on here can obviously say what he wants without fear of being pulled. If TF had of posted that the witches would be gathering.
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2017, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
>:(Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
It's an idiotic thread title which has absolutely no rational justification.
Pathetic title the originator shows no remorse in his point scoring. Thread should be pulled for the title alone.
The title is straight outta Fearon and on the ball
Tony Fearon had nothing to do with this abuse or the shameful title of this thread. The originator a member of the watsup group on here can obviously say what he wants without fear of being pulled. If TF had of posted that the witches would be gathering.
TF has defended the church response to abuse on the board for years and consistently blamed the parents
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2017, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2017, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
>:(Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
It's an idiotic thread title which has absolutely no rational justification.
Pathetic title the originator shows no remorse in his point scoring. Thread should be pulled for the title alone.
The title is straight outta Fearon and on the ball
Tony Fearon had nothing to do with this abuse or the shameful title of this thread. The originator a member of the watsup group on here can obviously say what he wants without fear of being pulled. If TF had of posted that the witches would be gathering.
TF has defended the church response to abuse on the board for years and consistently blamed the parents
He hasn't start this thread with it's shameful title, though you seem happy enough with it. One poster trying to score points and the watsup group backing him.
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2017, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 07, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
>:(Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 06, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Something the said same resident defender is also partial to.
No doubt, but that doesn't make it right,
Child Abuse is a serious issue, not one to score points on GAABoard.
There are frightening proportions of people involved in some places in that report.
In total agreement
It's an idiotic thread title which has absolutely no rational justification.
Pathetic title the originator shows no remorse in his point scoring. Thread should be pulled for the title alone.
The title is straight outta Fearon and on the ball
Tony Fearon had nothing to do with this abuse or the shameful title of this thread. The originator a member of the watsup group on here can obviously say what he wants without fear of being pulled. If TF had of posted that the witches would be gathering.
Agree with you no wides but what's the watsup group?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2017, 09:20:26 AM
Agree with you no wides but what's the watsup group?
It's the regulars on here who seem to think this is their board and can post what they want with the full backing and back slapping of their peers, I believe if they just want to complement themselves for what they believe to be highly articulate, intellectual and liberal posts they should just start a watsup group, save the likes of Hardy blocking anyone who isn't of the same intellectual capability of himself and his amazing wit. You just have to read the odd thread and they are easily identifiable, they round on anyone who doesn't agree but when one posts something which needs brought to task, the watsup group remain silent. I think benny is the admin, and is advancing many issues with his contributions. Oh and if you disagree you are given a warning by admin, but not a reason why and you have a thing under your name that admin is watching you. ;D 8)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 07, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 07, 2017, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2017, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 06, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
you'd have to wonder about how those men were recruited into the religious orders and how they became sexual predators
were they attracted by the availability of vunerable children?
or was it something in their training and culture in the orders and often isolation that led them to commit such horrible acts?
the same happened in Ireland, don't forget
You'll find that they will enter a job that places them in a position to take advantage of vulnerable children... Something either already in them or they have been abused themselves long before landing a job which will suit their needs
In many instances, totally unsuitable individuals wound up in religious orders, brothers and nuns, out of economic necessity. This was what an ex-CB told me and I have no reason to doubt his word.
His mother told him when he was a teenager that she was "putting him in" to the Christian Brothers. She had three sons; one would get the farm, another would get third level education and the third who was my informant, was destined for the religious life. She reckoned that he'd get three square meals a day and have a roof over his head as well as the other necessities of life as she put it.
He also told me that very many of his contemporaries wound up wearing collars of some sort because the only alternative was to take the boat and look for work in England.
Surely you'd need some sort of education to become a clergyman of sorts? Mayby not the Nuns who have a vow of silence but a lot of the CB where in education and teaching... as where some Nuns within schools!
It wouldnt have to be just with clergy, people in various jobs that had the abilty to use vunerable children for their own needs would (IMO) seek employment in those areas, teaching, social workers, youth workers to name a few
Back in the day diocesan secondary schools were a big thing, almost like a pre-school for the priesthood. Parents would send their chosen child to somewhere like St. Jarlaths college in Tuam around here. Other kids might of got scholarships etc.
Quote from: No wides on February 08, 2017, 09:32:11 AMIt's the regulars on here who seem to think this is their board and can post what they want with the full backing and back slapping of their peers, I believe if they just want to complement themselves for what they believe to be highly articulate, intellectual and liberal posts they should just start a watsup group, save the likes of Hardy blocking anyone who isn't of the same intellectual capability of himself and his amazing wit. You just have to read the odd thread and they are easily identifiable, they round on anyone who doesn't agree but when one posts something which needs brought to task, the watsup group remain silent. I think benny is the admin, and is advancing many issues with his contributions. Oh and if you disagree you are given a warning by admin, but not a reason why and you have a thing under your name that admin is watching you. ;D 8)
You need to lay off the crack pipe
I would consider myself an elder lemon on here and this is the first I have ever heard of a WhatsApp group.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 08, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
I would consider myself an elder lemon on here and this is the first I have ever heard of a WhatsApp group.
Just added you there now.
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2017, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 08, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
I would consider myself an elder lemon on here and this is the first I have ever heard of a WhatsApp group.
Just added you there now.
Pity you wouldn't take down your shameful point scoring title.
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2017, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 08, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
I would consider myself an elder lemon on here and this is the first I have ever heard of a WhatsApp group.
Just added you there now.
:D :D :D :D
Watsup is probably owned by your empire. ;D :D ;D
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2017, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 08, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
I would consider myself an elder lemon on here and this is the first I have ever heard of a WhatsApp group.
Just added you there now.
is his number still Mostrim 37?
Amazing how such a heinous story was belittled by the actions of the originator of the thread. The outrage from the watsup group was deafening also.