The Covid all Ireland hurling championship 2020/21

[mouview]

Slight criticism of Austin Gleeson on here a bit harsh in fairness. He worked might and main for the cause, scored 5 (3 form play) and tried his heart out. One of his side's best on the day.

[sid waddell]

Slight criticism of Austin Gleeson on here a bit harsh in fairness. He worked might and main for the cause, scored 5 (3 form play) and tried his heart out. One of his side's best on the day.

Gleeson's problem almost is that he can play anywhere and be the best player in that position

Means he's never really had one settled role and stuck to it for a number of years

He's a phenomenal talent, but is the best way to exploit it to have him as a swashbuckling centre back or a marauding, running forward causing havoc

If De Burca is out next year that decision is pretty much made for Waterford

The thing about Gleeson is he's so good he has never been able to instill the real discipline into his game that is needed, he plays in the style of a lad at minor level who is completely dominant and does it all, but that's not how senior hurling works, his style is very like Ken McGrath, unsurprising as they're from the same club, that style is exhilarating to watch but Ken McGrath never won an All-Ireland

He sort of reminds me of Steven Gerrard in his pomp, a phenomenal talent but managers found it hard to exploit that talent to its fullest within a team framework

He was decent today but it was a lost cause

[marty34]

Another question... In hurling for a goal to count is it the whole of the ball has to cross the line or is that soccer? How much of the ball has to cross the line?

Tj Reid for sure. Maybe Diathi Burke? Canning in with a shout as always.  Kelly good shout. I would say Bennett too. Deburca yes.

Hegarty poty.

T.J. for sure.  They were in semi-final and he's head and shoulders above anybody else in that KK team this year.

Hegarty a  cert for POTY after today.

I wonder who'll get Young Player of the Year - I think you have to be U21?

[sid waddell]

Another question... In hurling for a goal to count is it the whole of the ball has to cross the line or is that soccer? How much of the ball has to cross the line?

Tj Reid for sure. Maybe Diathi Burke? Canning in with a shout as always.  Kelly good shout. I would say Bennett too. Deburca yes.

Hegarty poty.

T.J. for sure.  They were in semi-final and he's head and shoulders above anybody else in that KK team this year.

Hegarty a  cert for POTY after today.

I wonder who'll get Young Player of the Year - I think you have to be U21?

Which hugely narrows it down as players 21 or under are finding it increasingly difficult to make an impact at senior due to the physical requirements

Think nearly of Waterford's younger lads today were born in 1996 or 1997

Perhaps I'm missing somebody obvious but Jake Morris and Eoin Cody are about the only two I can think of who made any sort of impact this year

Tommy Conroy or Eoghan McLaughlin will get the football YPOTY

[johnnycool]

Limerick are just a machine at the minute, keep going like that and they'll take some stopping.

The power, pace as precision of them is something to behold and whilst they don't overly bother with the goals and that looks like their opponents have a chance they really don't. Much was made of the Waterford goal chances but if Quaid had of been beaten by any of them it would have been poor from him and he's anything but poor.
Their modus operandi is well documented by now, but no one has the personnel to better either their half back line or half forward line on puck outs in either direction and that's the platform they build from.

Their tackling is ferocious and borderline a lot of the time, another lose hurley yesterday catching Gleeson in the toy dolls, accidental of course    and they do concede a lot of frees in the process, but they strangle the dear life out of their opponents in the process.

Well done Limerick, wonder is JP going to give every club a few bob again? 

[seafoid]

Limerick are just a machine at the minute, keep going like that and they'll take some stopping.

The power, pace as precision of them is something to behold and whilst they don't overly bother with the goals and that looks like their opponents have a chance they really don't. Much was made of the Waterford goal chances but if Quaid had of been beaten by any of them it would have been poor from him and he's anything but poor.
Their modus operandi is well documented by now, but no one has the personnel to better either their half back line or half forward line on puck outs in either direction and that's the platform they build from.

Their tackling is ferocious and borderline a lot of the time, another lose hurley yesterday catching Gleeson in the toy dolls, accidental of course    and they do concede a lot of frees in the process, but they strangle the dear life out of their opponents in the process.

Well done Limerick, wonder is JP going to give every club a few bob again? 

Before the semis everyone was saying that the winner of Limerick and Galway would win the final.
Waterford aren't the finished article yet. Neither are Kilkenny.

Next year should be quite open. And the Old Firm lost out again.

[didlyi]

Are the old firm a thing of the past in Hurling now? Cork going 15 years without a title. KK looking like they could break a new famine record of their own soon. Tipp to be fair wont be too far away if they can freshen up things with prospective young players. Even if Limerick win 2 or 3 in a row its not a bad thing for hurling.

[johnnycool]

Are the old firm a thing of the past in Hurling now? Cork going 15 years without a title. KK looking like they could break a new famine record of their own soon. Tipp to be fair wont be too far away if they can freshen up things with prospective young players. Even if Limerick win 2 or 3 in a row its not a bad thing for hurling.

Cork have a good U20's team but like their seniors the brand of hurling they play needs freshening up before it gets to make a difference at senior. Cork being Cork believe in the Cork way and their inability to forge a defensive shield will be their Achilles heel irrespective of how good their forwards are as individuals.
Tipp need to freshen up alright, maybe they've lads in the wings capable of stepping up, we should get a glimpse of them in the League next year and then we'll know better.
Kilkenny with TJ in their ranks will always be there or there about. They look uncomfortable with the modern possession type game being asked of them and even Richie Hogan commented on them that when Waterford applied the pressure they reverted to type and launched high balls into the forwards, ate up by Waterford that day. They need to find a new Kilkenny way as they haven't got the JJ's, the Larkins, the Brennans, the Shefflins, the Comerfords in their ranks anymore, but that was a once in a generation of a team. They might pick up the odd Leinster but hard to see them compete beyond a semi-final.
I'd say Limerick would love to meet Kilkenny in a final in the next year or so and really go to town on them.

[seafoid]

Are the old firm a thing of the past in Hurling now? Cork going 15 years without a title. KK looking like they could break a new famine record of their own soon. Tipp to be fair wont be too far away if they can freshen up things with prospective young players. Even if Limerick win 2 or 3 in a row its not a bad thing for hurling.

I wouldn't write them off but we should get a few  more all Irelands out of the peasants

[manfromdelmonte]

It definitely looks to me like there is an upsurge in premiership injuries at least. Lack of pre season in any code doesn't look to be helping. I think vandjk had some help on his mind.

Compressed season plus lack of pre season can't be helping. Particularly amateur athletes.

Zero contact for that one

Talk about rewriting facts

[imtommygunn]

I support Everton.

[mouview]

Are the old firm a thing of the past in Hurling now? Cork going 15 years without a title. KK looking like they could break a new famine record of their own soon. Tipp to be fair wont be too far away if they can freshen up things with prospective young players. Even if Limerick win 2 or 3 in a row its not a bad thing for hurling.

Cork have a good U20's team but like their seniors the brand of hurling they play needs freshening up before it gets to make a difference at senior. Cork being Cork believe in the Cork way and their inability to forge a defensive shield will be their Achilles heel irrespective of how good their forwards are as individuals.
Tipp need to freshen up alright, maybe they've lads in the wings capable of stepping up, we should get a glimpse of them in the League next year and then we'll know better.
Kilkenny with TJ in their ranks will always be there or there about. They look uncomfortable with the modern possession type game being asked of them and even Richie Hogan commented on them that when Waterford applied the pressure they reverted to type and launched high balls into the forwards, ate up by Waterford that day. They need to find a new Kilkenny way as they haven't got the JJ's, the Larkins, the Brennans, the Shefflins, the Comerfords in their ranks anymore, but that was a once in a generation of a team. They might pick up the odd Leinster but hard to see them compete beyond a semi-final.
I'd say Limerick would love to meet Kilkenny in a final in the next year or so and really go to town on them.

Imagine how far behind KK would be if they hadn't TJ? Would be well beaten by the Deise only for him, and Waterford were well beaten yesterday.
This Limerick team could retire a few of the established older hurlers; Tipp will be looking at some of their 30+ players and wonder how they're going to compete with yesterday. Joe Canning will be hard pressed to be deployed in the HF line again v Limerick, ditto David Burke. Will Kevin Moran give it another season? Cork will say to themselves, "look how far off yesterday's standard we are". Not axiomatic that Limerick will dominate, the 'lesser traditional' teams don't tend to as much, but next season may be the best chance to halt them. If they win 2 in succession, they'll go hell-bent for 3.

[seafoid]

Are the old firm a thing of the past in Hurling now? Cork going 15 years without a title. KK looking like they could break a new famine record of their own soon. Tipp to be fair wont be too far away if they can freshen up things with prospective young players. Even if Limerick win 2 or 3 in a row its not a bad thing for hurling.

Cork have a good U20's team but like their seniors the brand of hurling they play needs freshening up before it gets to make a difference at senior. Cork being Cork believe in the Cork way and their inability to forge a defensive shield will be their Achilles heel irrespective of how good their forwards are as individuals.
Tipp need to freshen up alright, maybe they've lads in the wings capable of stepping up, we should get a glimpse of them in the League next year and then we'll know better.
Kilkenny with TJ in their ranks will always be there or there about. They look uncomfortable with the modern possession type game being asked of them and even Richie Hogan commented on them that when Waterford applied the pressure they reverted to type and launched high balls into the forwards, ate up by Waterford that day. They need to find a new Kilkenny way as they haven't got the JJ's, the Larkins, the Brennans, the Shefflins, the Comerfords in their ranks anymore, but that was a once in a generation of a team. They might pick up the odd Leinster but hard to see them compete beyond a semi-final.
I'd say Limerick would love to meet Kilkenny in a final in the next year or so and really go to town on them.

Imagine how far behind KK would be if they hadn't TJ? Would be well beaten by the Deise only for him, and Waterford were well beaten yesterday.
This Limerick team could retire a few of the established older hurlers; Tipp will be looking at some of their 30+ players and wonder how they're going to compete with yesterday. Joe Canning will be hard pressed to be deployed in the HF line again v Limerick, ditto David Burke. Will Kevin Moran give it another season? Cork will say to themselves, "look how far off yesterday's standard we are". Not axiomatic that Limerick will dominate, the 'lesser traditional' teams don't tend to as much, but next season may be the best chance to halt them. If they win 2 in succession, they'll go hell-bent for 3.

The energy levels and tactical flexibility required to win 2 in a row are immense.

[johnnycool]

Are the old firm a thing of the past in Hurling now? Cork going 15 years without a title. KK looking like they could break a new famine record of their own soon. Tipp to be fair wont be too far away if they can freshen up things with prospective young players. Even if Limerick win 2 or 3 in a row its not a bad thing for hurling.

Cork have a good U20's team but like their seniors the brand of hurling they play needs freshening up before it gets to make a difference at senior. Cork being Cork believe in the Cork way and their inability to forge a defensive shield will be their Achilles heel irrespective of how good their forwards are as individuals.
Tipp need to freshen up alright, maybe they've lads in the wings capable of stepping up, we should get a glimpse of them in the League next year and then we'll know better.
Kilkenny with TJ in their ranks will always be there or there about. They look uncomfortable with the modern possession type game being asked of them and even Richie Hogan commented on them that when Waterford applied the pressure they reverted to type and launched high balls into the forwards, ate up by Waterford that day. They need to find a new Kilkenny way as they haven't got the JJ's, the Larkins, the Brennans, the Shefflins, the Comerfords in their ranks anymore, but that was a once in a generation of a team. They might pick up the odd Leinster but hard to see them compete beyond a semi-final.
I'd say Limerick would love to meet Kilkenny in a final in the next year or so and really go to town on them.

Imagine how far behind KK would be if they hadn't TJ? Would be well beaten by the Deise only for him, and Waterford were well beaten yesterday.
This Limerick team could retire a few of the established older hurlers; Tipp will be looking at some of their 30+ players and wonder how they're going to compete with yesterday. Joe Canning will be hard pressed to be deployed in the HF line again v Limerick, ditto David Burke. Will Kevin Moran give it another season? Cork will say to themselves, "look how far off yesterday's standard we are". Not axiomatic that Limerick will dominate, the 'lesser traditional' teams don't tend to as much, but next season may be the best chance to halt them. If they win 2 in succession, they'll go hell-bent for 3.

The energy levels and tactical flexibility required to win 2 in a row are immense.

ah but they use their subs well, and a few lads back from injury in their defence. They'll not care much for the league in 2021 I'd say.

[marty34]

Are the old firm a thing of the past in Hurling now? Cork going 15 years without a title. KK looking like they could break a new famine record of their own soon. Tipp to be fair wont be too far away if they can freshen up things with prospective young players. Even if Limerick win 2 or 3 in a row its not a bad thing for hurling.

Cork have a good U20's team but like their seniors the brand of hurling they play needs freshening up before it gets to make a difference at senior. Cork being Cork believe in the Cork way and their inability to forge a defensive shield will be their Achilles heel irrespective of how good their forwards are as individuals.
Tipp need to freshen up alright, maybe they've lads in the wings capable of stepping up, we should get a glimpse of them in the League next year and then we'll know better.
Kilkenny with TJ in their ranks will always be there or there about. They look uncomfortable with the modern possession type game being asked of them and even Richie Hogan commented on them that when Waterford applied the pressure they reverted to type and launched high balls into the forwards, ate up by Waterford that day. They need to find a new Kilkenny way as they haven't got the JJ's, the Larkins, the Brennans, the Shefflins, the Comerfords in their ranks anymore, but that was a once in a generation of a team. They might pick up the odd Leinster but hard to see them compete beyond a semi-final.
I'd say Limerick would love to meet Kilkenny in a final in the next year or so and really go to town on them.

Imagine how far behind KK would be if they hadn't TJ? Would be well beaten by the Deise only for him, and Waterford were well beaten yesterday.
This Limerick team could retire a few of the established older hurlers; Tipp will be looking at some of their 30+ players and wonder how they're going to compete with yesterday. Joe Canning will be hard pressed to be deployed in the HF line again v Limerick, ditto David Burke. Will Kevin Moran give it another season? Cork will say to themselves, "look how far off yesterday's standard we are". Not axiomatic that Limerick will dominate, the 'lesser traditional' teams don't tend to as much, but next season may be the best chance to halt them. If they win 2 in succession, they'll go hell-bent for 3.

The energy levels and tactical flexibility required to win 2 in a row are immense.

ah but they use their subs well, and a few lads back from injury in their defence. They'll not care much for the league in 2021 I'd say.
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The thing is that Linerick have been in 6 of the last 7 Munster Minor Finals, winning 3 of them including most recently last year, in 2019.

Also in this years munster minor final so more talent coming through to the senior squad over the next few years.

No sign of letting on too.

Like Dublin in the football, keep on top and keep the foot on the neck of everybody else.