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« Reply #43530 on: April 13, 2021, 09:34:35 PM »
Only reasonable thing fixtures committee can do, while keeping the league 'fair':
1. League commence after Tyrone out of the Championship
2. Some league fixtures pre Championship
3. Championship
4. Finish League

Presuming league is split in A and B as last year with bottom teams in each group entered into playoffs to see who is relegated/promoted.

Before everyone looses the run of themselves; I know it is crap, the whole summer wasted, end of league is dead rubber, guys training for ages etc. etc.

What other alternatives are there if relegation is to be maintained (4 points for non-starred games is not realistic)? There will have to be a trade off somewhere in regards fixtures/county player availability/relegation and promotion - just wonder what peoples thoughts are on what that should be.

Like most of us, I'm waiting with bated breath to see what the CCC propose to do but I don't think it's "reasonable" to ask club players to be beholden to the success (or failure) of the county team yet again. We need competitive action at the first available opportunity and, whether it's a starred game system for 2 and 4 points or a full league programme front loaded with starred fixtures, the games need to mean something. A developmental league played at half pace with clubs you will meet again in both league and championship won't cut it either.
Full league game with starred games first. Full league only way to solve relegation problem and not have the whole county waiting on inter county to finish. Complete league after championship which is nothing new anyway - could get atleast 12 games player prior to september championship.
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« Reply #43531 on: April 13, 2021, 10:02:49 PM »
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Subject: Tyrone CCC Update - 13th April 2021
 
A Chara,

We hope that you are all safe and well.

The ability of our Clubs to recommence training is undoubtedly a positive step forward for all concerned. We are all looking forward to a further easing of restrictions in the near future which will allow us to commence our 2021 games programme for all our Clubs and Players.

When we last communicated with you back in January, the indications were that the National Leagues would have been completed by now and that the All-Ireland Finals would take place by mid-July. However, as we know, these plans were abandoned as restrictions were reintroduced. Last week the GAA produced an updated fixtures calendar, a copy of which is attached.

We want to communicate with you further and update you on what the year ahead might look like and to again seek your feedback on a few issues.

Youth Games Programme -

These are the youth age groups in 2021 for Tyrone Clubs:
Go Games - Under 7.5, 9.5, and 11.5
Youth - Under 13, 15, 17 and 19
Clarification - Size of ball to be used in U13 & U15 is Size 4 and U17 & U19 is Size 5.
The format of the youth leagues are still to be determined but it is hoped to provide double rounds in at least some age grades.

Croke Park has advised that the Government has not given an indication as to when the intercounty Under 17 and Under 20 Teams can return to training or games. As a result, these competitions have not been included in the most recent fixtures calendar. It has been mooted that these competitions may be moved to the end of the year to avoid clashes with Club fixtures.

Our plan is to provide all Club underage Players with as many playing opportunities as possible. This will result in a lot more games and a lot less training. There will naturally be associated challenges with having so many games in this window but hopefully more games and less training will be welcomed.

Hurling -

We are currently contacting Hurling Clubs to ascertain the numbers of teams for League and Championship at Adult and Youth levels. Once everyone has been communicated with, we will draw up the games programme in association with Hurling Development Officer and Committee.

Adult Games -

By way of confirmation, it is still our firm intention to complete all of the outstanding 2020 competitions as soon as we get the go ahead and it is our plan to have these games played first and before the commencement of 2021 competitions. A period of 2 weeks maximum is needed for these to be completed and as soon as we get the go ahead, fixtures will be sent out immediately to the participating Clubs.

- Junior League and Championship -

Junior Leagues are not impacted by unavailability of Players to the Inter-County Senior Football team and accordingly can proceed in full. Therefore, it has been decided that a full Junior League will start as soon as the outstanding games from 2020 are played and the make-up of the 2021 Intermediate and Junior leagues are finalised. It remains our preference to commence the Junior Championship after the completion of the Junior League.

- Intermediate and Senior Leagues -

In January we sought feedback in relation to three options.

Option A - A full league programme plus knockout championship
Option B - A split (half) league programme plus a knockout championship
Option C - A development competition, followed by a split league programme plus a knockout championship

To proceed with Option A, the number of starred games would need to be increased to potentially 8/9 games. It would also mean 4 teams would be relegated from Division 1, with 2 teams relegated from Division 2.

Option B would mean not having any Club games at all until Tyrone Senior Football Team would complete their championship campaign.

Should time permit, Option C would start the season with developmental leagues of nine teams in Division 1 and eight in Division 2. Trophy to be awarded for the winners of each league. Followed by split leagues, drawn randomly – Division 1 of 2 x 9 with the bottom 2 in each section to be relegated. In Division 2, the bottom team in each section to be relegated. Two teams promoted from Junior and Intermediate. Plus, a knockout championship.

Please note, if there isn’t time to run the full number of developmental league games, then these leagues could be further condensed into 2 x 5, 2 x 4 in Senior and 4 x 4 in Intermediate or if there wasn’t any time at all to run them, the developmental leagues could simply be scrapped and we would proceed to the split leagues.

Championships -

All Adult Championships will be straight knockout. Championships to commence in late September and run through October into November. The Ulster Club series begins on 21st November. The preference would be to have leagues completed by the time Championships begin but that depends on the progress of the Tyrone Senior Football Team.

Winner on the Day rule -

There has been a lot of talk about the use of a penalty / free taking competition as the method used to decide the outcome of Championship games. The Winner on the Day regulations are set out in rule in the Official Guide and until that rule is changed, or until a deviation is sought and given, we must adhere to said rule to decide the winner of any Football/Hurling Championship games which finish level after extra time. We would however be very interested in hearing from you as to the possible alternatives for Winner on the Day regulations (currently a penalty shootout) for Club championship games bearing in mind the time constraints.

What next - we want your feedback -

Based on the above, do you prefer a full league with 8/9 starred games or time permitting a developmental league, followed by the split leagues as above? Please give us your views.

Based on your replies and the public health advice in relation to competitive games etc., we’ll decide on the games programme, start dates and fixtures for both youth and adult games.

Please provide all and any feedback by Sunday 25th April and hopefully by that stage the path to playing competitive games might be clearer.

In the meantime, we thank you for taking the time to read the above and we send you all our best wishes.


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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #43532 on: April 14, 2021, 04:46:52 PM »
Surely the majority of division one and two clubs will choose option A, players and supporters are all crying out for competitive football, for the good of everybody mentally and physically we must get good GAA games going as soon as we are allowed, yes it’s tough on one or two clubs but there will be plenty of time for them to build up points later on the season with their full team. The other two option basically have nothing for players until Tyrone are out which is going to be late July or August, maybe even end of August. The soccer clubs would be running their hands with the influx of new players

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« Reply #43533 on: April 14, 2021, 05:05:42 PM »
Surely the majority of division one and two clubs will choose option A, players and supporters are all crying out for competitive football, for the good of everybody mentally and physically we must get good GAA games going as soon as we are allowed, yes it’s tough on one or two clubs but there will be plenty of time for them to build up points later on the season with their full team. The other two option basically have nothing for players until Tyrone are out which is going to be late July or August, maybe even end of August. The soccer clubs would be running their hands with the influx of new players

I can't see it. You'll have Trillick, Coalisland, Dungannon, Galbally, Errigal, Edendork etc who will not play that many starred games with the real possibility of getting relegated. It'd be at least 60% of points/game without their County players.

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« Reply #43534 on: April 14, 2021, 06:24:42 PM »
Surely the majority of division one and two clubs will choose option A, players and supporters are all crying out for competitive football, for the good of everybody mentally and physically we must get good GAA games going as soon as we are allowed, yes it’s tough on one or two clubs but there will be plenty of time for them to build up points later on the season with their full team. The other two option basically have nothing for players until Tyrone are out which is going to be late July or August, maybe even end of August. The soccer clubs would be running their hands with the influx of new players

I can't see it. You'll have Trillick, Coalisland, Dungannon, Galbally, Errigal, Edendork etc who will not play that many starred games with the real possibility of getting relegated. It'd be at least 60% of points/game without their County players.
Would all those teams not rather 4 relegated from 18 in the full league rather than 2 from 9 in the split option? Better chance with the full league you would have thought.

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« Reply #43535 on: April 15, 2021, 12:37:04 AM »
Surely the majority of division one and two clubs will choose option A, players and supporters are all crying out for competitive football, for the good of everybody mentally and physically we must get good GAA games going as soon as we are allowed, yes it’s tough on one or two clubs but there will be plenty of time for them to build up points later on the season with their full team. The other two option basically have nothing for players until Tyrone are out which is going to be late July or August, maybe even end of August. The soccer clubs would be running their hands with the influx of new players

I can't see it. You'll have Trillick, Coalisland, Dungannon, Galbally, Errigal, Edendork etc who will not play that many starred games with the real possibility of getting relegated. It'd be at least 60% of points/game without their County players.

Some of these games will be against other teams in the same position so won’t be overly affected in these games, also if Tyrone just hold the 24 named players for game day and release the rest to play for the club (which is what should be happening) then there will be less effected. Either way to keep club players from playing games until late July or even the end of August will be the ruination of club football for years to come as players are going to be seriously disillusioned

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« Reply #43536 on: April 15, 2021, 07:31:43 PM »
Any expected return date for adult fixtures given today’s announcement that games without spectators can return from 23rd April? “it is still our firm intention to complete all of the outstanding 2020 competitions as soon as we get the go ahead”

Would the weekend of May 1st be realistic?

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« Reply #43537 on: April 16, 2021, 10:47:16 AM »
Relegate them surely but play the games.   Allow any relegated team next year the chance to elect to play in the O Neill Cup or even both, Obviously Moy and Cookstown etc will be trying to win all Irelands so  I would imagine they would not be taking up the option.   ;)
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« Reply #43538 on: April 16, 2021, 11:29:50 AM »
Surely the majority of division one and two clubs will choose option A, players and supporters are all crying out for competitive football, for the good of everybody mentally and physically we must get good GAA games going as soon as we are allowed, yes it’s tough on one or two clubs but there will be plenty of time for them to build up points later on the season with their full team. The other two option basically have nothing for players until Tyrone are out which is going to be late July or August, maybe even end of August. The soccer clubs would be running their hands with the influx of new players

I can't see it. You'll have Trillick, Coalisland, Dungannon, Galbally, Errigal, Edendork etc who will not play that many starred games with the real possibility of getting relegated. It'd be at least 60% of points/game without their County players.
Would all those teams not rather 4 relegated from 18 in the full league rather than 2 from 9 in the split option? Better chance with the full league you would have thought.
1A - Killyclogher, Errigal Ciaran, Dungannon, Carrickmore, Moy, Pomeroy, Ardboe, Loughmacrory.
1B - Galbally, Coalisland, Dromore, Clonoe, Trillick, Omagh, Donaghmore, Derrylaughan.
2A - Edendork, Rock, Stewartstown, Greencastle, Moortown, Owen Roes, Naomh Eoghan, Tattyreagh
2B - Eglish, Aghyaran, Beragh, Aghaloo, Clogher, Gortin, Strabane, Augher

Looking at the draw from the groups last year I can't see why any team would be looking for the split league option, its a big risk to take relying on a good draw.
1B for example last year is a very tough group to try and get out of the bottom 2.
You get tough draw this year and relegation becomes a real possibility wheras the full league is a more level playing field, everyone plays everyone, its all in your own hands as its all about the results you get rather than the draw you get.
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« Reply #43539 on: April 20, 2021, 10:48:12 PM »
Relegate them surely but play the games.   Allow any relegated team next year the chance to elect to play in the O Neill Cup or even both, Obviously Moy and Cookstown etc will be trying to win all Irelands so  I would imagine they would not be taking up the option.   ;)

IIRC There was a motion passed at this year's Congress that all club senior & intermediate championships are to be capped at 16 teams.
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« Reply #43540 on: April 20, 2021, 11:26:21 PM »
Outstanding football to be completed from 2020...

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SFC, IFC & JFC are completed.

Division 1 League & Division 2 League are completed.

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Division 3

* Cookstown finished top of Group 1 and go on to the finals.

* In Group 2, mathematically it can be either Killeeshil, Kildress, Glenelly or Drumragh that can finish top. There are still six outstanding fixtures to be played, only Killyman have played all 8 rounds.

Kildress vs. Killeeshil
Brackaville vs. Fintona (dead rubber)
Drumragh vs. Killeeshil
Kildress vs. Eskra
Derrytresk vs. Drumragh
Kildress vs. Glenelly

* If Kildress top Group 2, then Cookstown are promoted regardless of league final result.

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Division 1 Reserve League is completed.

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Division 2 Reserve League

Outstanding League Final: Eglish vs. Moortown

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Division 3 Reserve League

* Cookstown have finished top of Group 1.

* In Group 2, mathematically it can be between Kildress, Drumragh, Killeeshil & Glenelly.

Possibility this could be abandoned?

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Senior Reserve Championship

Semi Finals: Clonoe vs. Carrickmore & Donaghmore vs. Dromore

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Intermediate Reserve Championship

This is a bit of a mess...

1st Round: Rock vs. Moortown

Quarter Finals: Initially Strabane & Owen Roes were forced to forfeit against Beragh and Eglish respectively due to localised Covid-19 outbreaks in early October, but could be fit to play now? Other outstanding quarter final is Rock/Moortown vs. Edendork.

Semi-Finals (assuming Strabane & Owen Roes can still play...) Aghyaran vs. Eglish/Owen Roes, & Rock/Moortown/Edendork vs. Strabane /Beragh.

Possible that this competition could be abandoned.

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Junior Reserve Championship

No ties played. Likely to be abandoned.

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Under 18

Outstanding games...

Grade 1 Championship Final: Carrickmore vs. Omagh
Grade 2 Championship Final: Cookstown vs. Donaghmore
Grade 3 Championship Semi-Final: Aghyaran vs. Badoney
(Winner faces Killeeshil in final)

Grade 2 League Final: Donaghmore vs. Cookstown
Grade 3 League Final: Aghyaran vs. N. Eoghan
Grade 4 League Final: Backaville vs. Stewartstown

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Under 16

Outstanding games...

Grade 1 Championship Semi-Final replay: Cappagh vs. Cookstown
(Winner faces Donaghmore in final)
Grade 3 Championship Final: Killeeshil vs. Edendork
Grade 4 Championship Final: N. Brid vs. Rock

Grade 1 League Final: Donaghmore vs. Ardboe
Grade 2 League Final: Kildress vs. Fintona
Grade 4 League Final: Rock vs. Aghaloo

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Under 14 Leagues & Championships are all completed.
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« Reply #43541 on: April 21, 2021, 10:12:51 AM »
Moy and Cookstown thinking about All Irelands now thats fantasy stuff.

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« Reply #43542 on: April 21, 2021, 11:20:16 AM »
Moy and Cookstown thinking about All Irelands now thats fantasy stuff.

You do know they both have won an All-Ireland in their recent history?

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« Reply #43543 on: April 21, 2021, 12:29:58 PM »
The past when they had players who were well above Intermediate standard.

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« Reply #43544 on: April 22, 2021, 12:00:29 PM »
As far as I know in Junior

Eskra have conceded to Kildress already and due to this result only game of significance left before final is Kildress v Kileeshil to determine who will play Cookstown in final