***NEW Hurling Championship Proposals Revealed***

Started by thejuice, September 02, 2008, 05:04:43 PM

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INDIANA

kilkenny wouldn't be tested in munster either reillers , thats the reality. If you think they would be you're still smoking the hardstuff. only cork would give them a game. the rest would get the shite knocked out of them. i don;t how you can justify the likes of limerick,waterford and clare as being capable of giving the cats a game. even dublin would have a chance of beating them. wouldn't matter where the cats were reillers they still wouldn';t get a game till thye played cork.

Reillers

I was talking about Galway going into Leinster.

And it's not neccesarily about beating Kilkenny, they might beat every team in Munster but we'll never know, because as good as they are and they're bloody good, they're never tested, not till the semi final, after everyone else played Munster and the qualifiers and quarter finals.
They might still win, but it's not fair on the other Munster teams who are tested, it doesn't matter that KK are better then most of them, it's the fact that they're not tested, the Munster teams don't have the luxury of not having a serious test till the AI semi final, then if they do get to the final or semi and face KK, and it's hard enough that it's KK who they've to play but the fact that they haven't been tested at all, which means that they're fresh and sharp, will always tilt it in KK's favour more so.

Like I'm not saying KK wouldn't win if Galway were there, but they'd be tested which would kinda level it off fairness wise for the Munster teams. But the Leinster teams would suffer as well like and at the end of the day, it's their call.

EddieMerx

Reillers you keep going on about how the Munster teams have it so tough and Kilkenny have it so easy!! anytime a munster team played a Leinster team this year they either lost or were damn lucky to win and when they did play Kilkenny they were hammered like the rest of Leinster... truth of the fact is throw Wexford, Offaly or Dublin into the current Munster Championship and they would be well able hold their own, throw Kilkenny in and they would walk over everybody and their hardest game would be against Cork who they would beat by 10 or so points. Simple fact is since Cork and Waterford have slipped back all hurling counties apart from Kilkenny are pretty close.


Asal Mor

Quote from: EddieMerx on September 22, 2008, 06:20:39 PM
Reillers you keep going on about how the Munster teams have it so tough and Kilkenny have it so easy!! anytime a munster team played a Leinster team this year they either lost or were damn lucky to win and when they did play Kilkenny they were hammered like the rest of Leinster... truth of the fact is throw Wexford, Offaly or Dublin into the current Munster Championship and they would be well able hold their own, throw Kilkenny in and they would walk over everybody and their hardest game would be against Cork who they would beat by 10 or so points. Simple fact is since Cork and Waterford have slipped back all hurling counties apart from Kilkenny are pretty close.



Well said Eddie. I agree with every word of that.

Reillers

Quote from: EddieMerx on September 22, 2008, 06:20:39 PM
Reillers you keep going on about how the Munster teams have it so tough and Kilkenny have it so easy!! anytime a munster team played a Leinster team this year they either lost or were damn lucky to win and when they did play Kilkenny they were hammered like the rest of Leinster... truth of the fact is throw Wexford, Offaly or Dublin into the current Munster Championship and they would be well able hold their own, throw Kilkenny in and they would walk over everybody and their hardest game would be against Cork who they would beat by 10 or so points. Simple fact is since Cork and Waterford have slipped back all hurling counties apart from Kilkenny are pretty close.



Yet again the games, as good as the Leinster counties did, are taken out of context. Waterford were very poor, Limerick were the worst I've seen for a long time and Cork were very flat against Dublin.
Both Cork and Waterford played a lot better in the rest of their games.

And like I said, it doesn't matter that Kilkenny could or couldn't beat the Munster teams, I said that all ready, it shouldn't matter how well they'd do in Munster, it's about making it fair, which at the minute it isn't, not for Galway, the Munster teams or anyone wanting to see a half competitive Leinster match.

EddieMerx

Waterford played Offaly and Wexford... so which game did they play well in? the 23 point defeat to Kilkenny or the poor standard game against Tipp??? So I take it Leinster teams playing well against Munster teams is out of context because every year we have to face a drubbing from the cats!!! Ye Munster boys are doing a bloody good job at stopping the Cats. 2 years and the best ye have to offer have been seriously humiliated in the All-Ireland final by the cats.

orangeman

Wexford rejected Galway's bid to joi Leinster last night - looks like this one is doomed !

Zapatista

Offaly now too. Have leinster and Ulster swaped roles? Are Ulster now 'pro change' while Leinster are holding the GAA in the dark ages? ;)

Canalman

Mate of mine was at the Dublin meeting where it was discussed and said the main reasons it was rejected were the following:

1 By letting in Galway and Antrim into Leinster the chances of a proper League based Championship  would go out the window.
2 The new proposal was seen as a sop to Munster and their fairytale opinion of the Munster hurling championship.
3 There was some argument as to whether a 3 year "opt out Clause" by Leinster was part of the proposals.
4 There was some anger at comments that by voting no to the proposals that Dublin would be seen to be selfish and parochial. Pointed out at meeting that both Antrim and Galway were in favour solely for their own interests.

He said it was a very good meeting and as delegated by our club he voted No.

Personally, I really want to see a 12 team championship run on a two  6 team basis with top team in each group going into semis , next 2 in 1/4 finals and the bottom 2 going into relegation play off with 1 going down each year and the Christy Ring winner going up each year.

Matter for Munster council to run their own championship if they want.

G@@

Keep the provincial championships the way they are. Run them off as a seperate competiton.

Then afterwards have an open draw for the All Ireland Series. To keep some impetus from the Provincial Champions have a bonus point awarded going forward to the AI Open draw.

Four pools of three counties: (perhaps no more than two provincial champos allowed in one group):

GROUP 1
Kilkenny (1pt)
Tipperary (1pt)
Offaly

GROUP 2
Galway (1pt)
Limerick
Cork

GROUP 3
Antrim (1pt)
Laois
Wexford

GOUP 4
Dublin
Waterford
Clare

Top teams in each group qualify for quarter finals in another open draw..
bottom teams do battle for relegation in open draw
Loser of relegation final goes down, Christy Ring winners promoted.

Some incentives all round... win your provincial gets you close to an AI Quarter Final.
"I can't get over you - 'till you come out from under him" - Pat Shortt - Class!

INDIANA

to revive the all-ireland hurling championship, the provincial championships have to go as part of the liam mc carthy cup. provincial councils can then choose to run the provincial championships on their own time if they want.

EddieMerx

Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2008, 02:01:35 PM
to revive the all-ireland hurling championship, the provincial championships have to go as part of the liam mc carthy cup. provincial councils can then choose to run the provincial championships on their own time if they want.

Agree, look at how well Camogie is doing since they ran the championship on a league basis and played the provincial as a seperate tournament. Only 5 years ago there were two camogie teams in Ireland now there are 5 or 6 at a similar standard.........

Rossfan

What really gets my goat about all the Munster Championship hyperbole is that it consists of only FOUR games.
It and a Leinster(only) Championship could both be played off as separate independent competitions in May.
Then let an All Ireland Championship( in whatever format -groups or straight k.o or whatever) commence first Sunday in July e.g..
Just for old times sake the Leinster and munster champions could be seeded and kept apart as long as practical.
But because the GAA are afraid the oul pals with the big nos of votes in Cork/Tipp/Limerick might be upset the Munster SHC is being kept as an integral part of the All Ireland SHC to the detriment of the game of hurling.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Treasurer

If Galway and Antrim come into Leinster, it's simply not a Leinster championship anymore. If we want to do away with the provincial championships, that's another story, but you can't just add two counties to a province and still "pretend" it's a provincial competition. 

Sure Galway have a problem, but it's facetious to talk about bringing them in to improve the Leinster championship. What does it do for the other teams in Leinster?  What about the likes of Laois?  Shouldn't we be working more on raising their standard than throwing in another possible big beating?

The interesting thing is, regardless of the vote at Congress, Leinster Council have the right to bring them in, or not, as they see fit.  While it's probably unlikely they'll go against a majority vote, they may well attach more weight to what way the Leinster counties vote.

INDIANA