Ulster Championship 2021

Started by J70, June 21, 2021, 12:14:42 PM

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BennyCake

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 25, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D

Armagh will be picking the apples as usual while the big teams get on with the football

Apple picking doesn't usually start until September, and the All Ireland will be finished by end of August. Just saying.

Armagh18

Quote from: StPatsAbu on July 26, 2021, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2021, 11:37:49 PM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 25, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D

Armagh will be picking the apples as usual while the big teams get on with the football
How are Warwickshire doing?

yellowcard

Quote from: StPatsAbu on July 26, 2021, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2021, 11:37:49 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 25, 2021, 11:23:07 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 25, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D

Armagh will be picking the apples as usual while the big teams get on with the football

Armagh could supply the forwards, Monaghan have Beggan and McManus and Tyrone would have the stoppers and the spoilers. Between the 3 of them they could give Kerry a game of it. 

clarshack

Is it true clubs aren't getting the required amount of tickets?

Rossfan

Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

donelli

Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists

Boycey

Quote from: donelli on July 26, 2021, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists

I'm gonna guess Fermanagh, Mayo and Cavan take up for hurling tickets be light enough? Leaving the rest of tickets to be divided between Tyrone/Monaghan

Redhand Santa

Quote from: Boycey on July 26, 2021, 09:51:41 PM
Quote from: donelli on July 26, 2021, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists

I'm gonna guess Fermanagh, Mayo and Cavan take up for hurling tickets be light enough? Leaving the rest of tickets to be divided between Tyrone/Monaghan

Exactly - if you'd 6/700 in total from them counties it's would be height of it. Though Ulster final might lead to wee bit more demand in the Ulster teams.

The hurling was always meant to be played on Saturday, Ulster council were happy to let it double up.

Rossfan

Quote from: donelli on July 26, 2021, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists
There'd be e a bigger shortage with only 3,000 for a Clones Final.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

From the Bunker

If anything the Lori Meagher and Nicky Rackard hurling fans are the real losers having to pay extra into their respective finals.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 26, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
If anything the Lori Meagher and Nicky Rackard hurling fans are the real losers having to pay extra into their respective finals.

Extra? The games would normally be a double or triple header with similar prices. No one, especially the  hurlers,  fans of hurling and managers of these counties will miss out by playing at Croke park, it's the pinnacle of any players ambition or dreams.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Main Street

Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: donelli on July 26, 2021, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists
There'd be e a bigger shortage with only 3,000 for a Clones Final.
It's still fcked up, you'd swear the end of time would happen if an Ulster final was scheduled for a Friday or a Monday evening, there is no Skysports involved.

Armagh18

Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2021, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: donelli on July 26, 2021, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists
There'd be e a bigger shortage with only 3,000 for a Clones Final.
It's still fcked up, you'd swear the end of time would happen if an Ulster final was scheduled for a Friday or a Monday evening, there is no Skysports involved.
Why would you ask people to tr**p the whole way to Dublin after work?

Franko

Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 05:47:48 PM
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Quote from: RedHand88 on July 21, 2021, 10:35:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who don't really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. It's hard to feel involved if you weren't a top player or don't come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids don't play, so you're less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10's is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they don't participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

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Nigels

What about the mate/brother/sister/child of the club treasurer/secretary? Where do they come in?

They should fit exactly into the same hierarchy.

Franko

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who don't really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. It's hard to feel involved if you weren't a top player or don't come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids don't play, so you're less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10's is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they don't participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

It's not the GAA who allocates tickets though. It's through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, it's anything goes. We all know that. If you're the secretary's nephew, treasurer's mistress, you'll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but there's nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and he's no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe they'll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, they'll be told to get stuffed?

The GAA IS the clubs.  This is a pet hate of mine - everyone thinks 'the GAA' is a bunch of suits in Dublin.  The GAA is all of us (well, those of us who are not too tight to dip into our pockets for the measly membership fee).

There's nothing anywhere in the constitution about tickets.  Irrelevant comment.

Club members should always have a better chance of getting a ticket than non-members.

As for said person in your little example (shall we call him Bleating Benny?)

It's unfortunate for him that all the pressures of these caring responsibilities and abnormal work hours just happen to disappear on the day there's a big county game on?  Into the car, off to Dublin, not a problem.

But there's just NO WAY he'd have the time to do the gate at a club league game.

Poor Benny can't catch a break.