All the pressure is on Kerry to deliver an All Ireland in 2021

Started by TheGreatest, May 13, 2021, 11:54:54 AM

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rrhf

Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
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Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that.  Kerrys to lose this year. 


Rawhide

Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp

Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that.  Kerrys to lose this year.

Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.
cccc is a true supporter lol

yellowcard

Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp

Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that.  Kerrys to lose this year.

Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.


How many All Ireland titles in total have an asterix beside them?

I may be open to correction but Tyrone won 2 blemished titles in 2005 & 2008, Galway in 2001 and at least one of the Kerry sides of the 00's.

StPatsAbu

Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp

Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that.  Kerrys to lose this year.

Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.

Hardly impressive as all of Dublin's titles since back door were bought plain and simple.  Without financial doping they'd more than likely still be staring back at 1995 and following soccer.

TheGreatest

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2 good points above there lads.

Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2021, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp

Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that.  Kerrys to lose this year.

Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.


How many All Ireland titles in total have an asterix beside them?

I may be open to correction but Tyrone won 2 blemished titles in 2005 & 2008, Galway in 2001 and at least one of the Kerry sides of the 00's.


I think thats unfair on Tyrone to say they have an asterisk beside their wins...

RedHand88

Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp

Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that.  Kerrys to lose this year.

Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.

If Tyrone were in Leinster they wouldn't need qualifiers either.

Taylor

Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2021, 08:22:29 AM
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp

Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that.  Kerrys to lose this year.

Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.

If Tyrone were in Leinster they wouldn't need qualifiers either.

Dont get involved Redhand

rrhf

This is worth putting some thought into.  Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10.  The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.

yellowcard

Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into.  Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10.  The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.

I certainly wouldn't be dismissing that Kerry side at all, they were arguably the 3rd greatest side of the last few generations anyway when you consider their consistency in both getting to and winning AI titles. Though not on a scale with the current Dublin, I wouldn't dismiss either the level of resources poured into Kerry football though. There is a strong correlation between resources poured in and ultimate success.

thewobbler

Quote from: yellowcard on July 29, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into.  Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10.  The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.

I certainly wouldn't be dismissing that Kerry side at all, they were arguably the 3rd greatest side of the last few generations anyway when you consider their consistency in both getting to and winning AI titles. Though not on a scale with the current Dublin, I wouldn't dismiss either the level of resources poured into Kerry football though. There is a strong correlation between resources poured in and ultimate success.

Bottom line is that throughout that decade, when they met Tyrone, they lost. That's not greatness.

TheGreatest

Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into.  Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10.  The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.

It was Tyrone and Armagh who started GAA professionalism in the early 00s. A lot to answer for,

From the Bunker

Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into.  Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10.  The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.

Technically Cork are now outside the last decade! So it's only Donegal and Kerry.

Kerry lost games in Munster to Cork during that period. If they were as good as you say they were they'd be dominating their Province as well?


Armagh18

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2021, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into.  Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10.  The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.

Technically Cork are now outside the last decade! So it's only Donegal and Kerry.

Kerry lost games in Munster to Cork during that period. If they were as good as you say they were they'd be dominating their Province as well?
No team in Leinster in the past 10 or so years has been anywhere near the Cork teams at that time.

rrhf

The Cork team that won the all Ireland were maybe the weakest compared to their stronger outfits the previous couple of years which met a great Kerry team still motoring well.  They done though what Mayo needs to do, just stumble over the line in a final.