Bring them Back

[babarino]

Moysider, Des Newton was one of our own and only lasted a year.

Didn t get the abuse Maughan did.
Likes of McStay or Horan would be nuts to go near it as well.

Maughan picked a fight with the populace. I doubt many managers would be as silly.

Picked the wrong populace to fight with. Ming is the man.

[Syferus]

Moysider, Des Newton was one of our own and only lasted a year.

Didn t get the abuse Maughan did.
Likes of McStay or Horan would be nuts to go near it as well.

Maughan picked a fight with the populace. I doubt many managers would be as silly.

He refused to be bullied and abused. There's a difference.

Are you Maugham?
After another abject performance when he referred to the supporters as customers a few fans said Go home to Mayo to him.
A certain Co Board man said John I can'tback you any more so the abuse tale was spun as the reason for him going.

There s ben a few since his time too.

The perception around here is that Maughan (who had done well with Clare and Mayo) was the patsy who took the hit for a poor squad.
That's the perception, and as you know, perception is reality.
BTW, I have little sympathy for Maughan. He was silly to take the job in the first place. I doubt if Horan or McStay would be as daft.

The reality was Maughan came along and started dropping key players not just from the starting team but from the panel entirely. We had situations where Frankie was sticking it to Maughan after Brigids won the county title one year. It was pretty much open warfare between Maughan and the county, most of whom could see he'd burnt bridges too hastily and was too small to admit he was wrong. And eventually his choices caught up to him and the panel was so devoid of confidence entering 2008 that we were smashed by almost every team we played. The players and supporters essentially mutinied against him, it was fúcking farce that a good manager would have been able to foresee and avoid. Hard to look at what that panel achieved only a couple years before he arrived and what they won a couple years after he was ran and say he simply inherited a poor panel.

When you look at bould Johneen's unwillingness to be be 'bullied or abused' by the very same elements the situation is much different. Some people have never taken to him but most respect him. That's something you have to earn as a manager. Maughan thought because of his record he had no need to earn respect and that it should be simply afforded to him.

Thinking about Maughan just makes me think we may as well keep Evans because we've got a terrible record selecting managers.

Talk to Clare people. He gave them their best time ever in football. Got us closer than anybody too as well. That's not bad.

Don t mind Frankie. Or the lad the other players used to call 'bulmers' during games. Lads that can play alright but Maughan would have been aiming at a high level of fitness and commitment. Don t forget Loughnane used Maughan's template as the drive for Clare hurlers breakthrough. The hurlers were shamed into getting tough on themselves. It looks like Roscommon didn t fancy it and it still looks like some of them don t.

He may have been a good manager then but he certainly was not in the years 2005-2008. That's a bit like me pointing out Johnno is a two-time senior AI winning manager when a Mayo supporter mentions losing to Sligo and Longford in 2010 - no shit, but that doesn't change what happened.

The current panel is not even comparable to the early to mid 00s team in commitment either. We learnt our lessons. I wonder did Maughan or does he just blame Roscommon and play the victim?

I don t know but doubt he dwells on it much.

No point comparing him to Johnno ( Maughan streets ahead). Johnno was rubbish with Mayo second time around and not much better first time. Johnno inherited good teams both times and inevitably made them worse.
Yeah, the Galway years make him a hero there. The books and videos are there. Have a look and make up your own mind.
Maughan had a massive record v Galway. 98 was a game we should have won as well. Still raw but a hell of a performance from a team that had just lost 2 AI in a row and Galway got the breaks. 99 showed that. I do admit though that losing to Cork in the semi was unforgivable and is still raw to this day. Ok, I ll hang Maughan for that( not stuff he did in Ros), and Meath won probably the cheapest AI that I've seen that year.
But Johnno was poor in 90, 91. Not great in 88,89 either truth be told.

Maughan and Johnno are much closer than you'd want to believe, indeed I have much more time for Mr. 'Last house in Mayo'. For Maughan's Clare see Johnno's Leitrim. What tips the scales for me is Johnno won a schools AI with Nathys in 2000. I arrived at Nathys a few years later after he'd stepped down and we were a shambles, you could count on one hand the amount of games the senior team won in my time there. Johnno knew how to mould teams too, and he did what Maughan never did however you cut it. Johnno had reached his sell-by date by his second reign in Mayo but it's hard for me to count him as worse than Maughan.

For Maughan the clincher for me is he ran from Fermanagh after a year too - it wasn't a Rossie thing with him. Read what he said here - http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/maughan-quits-as-fermanagh-boss-26079763.html - the Roscommon team weren't the only ones shying away from hard graft..

They won a B AI Sy. It was a good team. They had Andy Moran and other very good players like Joe McCann. I for get the others. They were as good as some teams playing A so it was no big deal really. It was also well known - may be a bit unfair - that Johnno wouldn t waste his time with poor schools teams.
He also had a team packed with talent in 83 AI U21 team. In Leitrim he inherited a team that was good enough to take advantage of a Mayo in disarray. Without that break the Galway gig would never have happened.
Johnno never managed to mould a team in Mayo and failed to renew Galway post 2001.

He never did anything to compare to Maughan in 96. From struggling in Div 3 to within a freak point of winning an AI. Remember Mayo football was at a historic all time low after 6 terrible years with humiliating thrashings from Cork(93) and Galway (95). Plus that loss to Leitrim in 94. That was arguably our lowest point in history. Ironically it took Johnno to rival these lows 2007 - 2010. In 2010 he managed to lose to both Sligo and Longford.

Johnno was helping out Michael Glaveys back in the mid-nineties too - hardly a glamorous gig. And he won that Colleges AI while Galway manager and teaching full-time - that's a serious workload whatever way you look at it. The 2000 team had a few good players alright (big David McNulty, a county minor and someone who went on to play in AI junior finals for Roscommon too) but so did the teams after Johnno - a young Pierce was a damn sight beyond what Andy could do at the same age - and they did nothing. The players believed in him.

Management is partly about luck but no one gets as 'lucky' as Johnno without being a canny manager. He did what no Connacht manager has done since the 60s - I don't think that Galway team's success was ever assured and under a poorer manager they would not have achieved what they did. They were competing in the strongest Connacht championships probably of all-time with Mayo, Roscommon and even Sligo having teams of note.

[moysider]

Moysider, Des Newton was one of our own and only lasted a year.

Didn t get the abuse Maughan did.
Likes of McStay or Horan would be nuts to go near it as well.

Maughan picked a fight with the populace. I doubt many managers would be as silly.

He refused to be bullied and abused. There's a difference.

Are you Maugham?
After another abject performance when he referred to the supporters as customers a few fans said Go home to Mayo to him.
A certain Co Board man said John I can'tback you any more so the abuse tale was spun as the reason for him going.

There s ben a few since his time too.

The perception around here is that Maughan (who had done well with Clare and Mayo) was the patsy who took the hit for a poor squad.
That's the perception, and as you know, perception is reality.
BTW, I have little sympathy for Maughan. He was silly to take the job in the first place. I doubt if Horan or McStay would be as daft.

The reality was Maughan came along and started dropping key players not just from the starting team but from the panel entirely. We had situations where Frankie was sticking it to Maughan after Brigids won the county title one year. It was pretty much open warfare between Maughan and the county, most of whom could see he'd burnt bridges too hastily and was too small to admit he was wrong. And eventually his choices caught up to him and the panel was so devoid of confidence entering 2008 that we were smashed by almost every team we played. The players and supporters essentially mutinied against him, it was fúcking farce that a good manager would have been able to foresee and avoid. Hard to look at what that panel achieved only a couple years before he arrived and what they won a couple years after he was ran and say he simply inherited a poor panel.

When you look at bould Johneen's unwillingness to be be 'bullied or abused' by the very same elements the situation is much different. Some people have never taken to him but most respect him. That's something you have to earn as a manager. Maughan thought because of his record he had no need to earn respect and that it should be simply afforded to him.

Thinking about Maughan just makes me think we may as well keep Evans because we've got a terrible record selecting managers.

Talk to Clare people. He gave them their best time ever in football. Got us closer than anybody too as well. That's not bad.

Don t mind Frankie. Or the lad the other players used to call 'bulmers' during games. Lads that can play alright but Maughan would have been aiming at a high level of fitness and commitment. Don t forget Loughnane used Maughan's template as the drive for Clare hurlers breakthrough. The hurlers were shamed into getting tough on themselves. It looks like Roscommon didn t fancy it and it still looks like some of them don t.

He may have been a good manager then but he certainly was not in the years 2005-2008. That's a bit like me pointing out Johnno is a two-time senior AI winning manager when a Mayo supporter mentions losing to Sligo and Longford in 2010 - no shit, but that doesn't change what happened.

The current panel is not even comparable to the early to mid 00s team in commitment either. We learnt our lessons. I wonder did Maughan or does he just blame Roscommon and play the victim?

I don t know but doubt he dwells on it much.

No point comparing him to Johnno ( Maughan streets ahead). Johnno was rubbish with Mayo second time around and not much better first time. Johnno inherited good teams both times and inevitably made them worse.
Yeah, the Galway years make him a hero there. The books and videos are there. Have a look and make up your own mind.
Maughan had a massive record v Galway. 98 was a game we should have won as well. Still raw but a hell of a performance from a team that had just lost 2 AI in a row and Galway got the breaks. 99 showed that. I do admit though that losing to Cork in the semi was unforgivable and is still raw to this day. Ok, I ll hang Maughan for that( not stuff he did in Ros), and Meath won probably the cheapest AI that I've seen that year.
But Johnno was poor in 90, 91. Not great in 88,89 either truth be told.

Maughan and Johnno are much closer than you'd want to believe, indeed I have much more time for Mr. 'Last house in Mayo'. For Maughan's Clare see Johnno's Leitrim. What tips the scales for me is Johnno won a schools AI with Nathys in 2000. I arrived at Nathys a few years later after he'd stepped down and we were a shambles, you could count on one hand the amount of games the senior team won in my time there. Johnno knew how to mould teams too, and he did what Maughan never did however you cut it. Johnno had reached his sell-by date by his second reign in Mayo but it's hard for me to count him as worse than Maughan.

For Maughan the clincher for me is he ran from Fermanagh after a year too - it wasn't a Rossie thing with him. Read what he said here - http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/maughan-quits-as-fermanagh-boss-26079763.html - the Roscommon team weren't the only ones shying away from hard graft..

They won a B AI Sy. It was a good team. They had Andy Moran and other very good players like Joe McCann. I for get the others. They were as good as some teams playing A so it was no big deal really. It was also well known - may be a bit unfair - that Johnno wouldn t waste his time with poor schools teams.
He also had a team packed with talent in 83 AI U21 team. In Leitrim he inherited a team that was good enough to take advantage of a Mayo in disarray. Without that break the Galway gig would never have happened.
Johnno never managed to mould a team in Mayo and failed to renew Galway post 2001.

He never did anything to compare to Maughan in 96. From struggling in Div 3 to within a freak point of winning an AI. Remember Mayo football was at a historic all time low after 6 terrible years with humiliating thrashings from Cork(93) and Galway (95). Plus that loss to Leitrim in 94. That was arguably our lowest point in history. Ironically it took Johnno to rival these lows 2007 - 2010. In 2010 he managed to lose to both Sligo and Longford.

Johnno was helping out Michael Glaveys back in the mid-nineties too - hardly a glamorous gig. And he won that Colleges AI while Galway manager and teaching full-time - that's a serious workload whatever way you look at it. The 2000 team had a few good players alright (big David McNulty, a county minor and someone who went on to play in AI junior finals for Roscommon too) but so did the teams after Johnno - a young Pierce was a damn sight beyond what Andy could do at the same age - and they did nothing. The players believed in him.

Management is partly about luck but no one gets as 'lucky' as Johnno without being a canny manager. He did what no Connacht manager has done since the 60s - I don't think that Galway team's success was ever assured and under a poorer manager they would not have achieved what they did. They were competing in the strongest Connacht championships probably of all-time with Mayo, Roscommon and even Sligo having teams of note.

Johnno managed young Pierce too but may have been gone before Pierce was senior.

Of course he was canny. Politician ffs.

In football he got the bounce. And yeah others might have been asleep which was not his fault. The 98 game in Castlebar was a huge break. Could have gone either way. Always thought we blew it.