Division 2 2024

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lurganblue

Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

yellowcard

Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.   

seafoid

Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.   
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight

Itchy

Armagh are 2/7 and Cavan 7/2 with Boyle sports. The bookies are not thinking its going to be close anyway.

yellowcard

Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2024, 01:24:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.   
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight

I don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern.   

armaghniac

Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 02:28:04 PMI don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern.   

It would be a concern, but less of a concern than if they didn't end up in an Ulster final despite not having met any top level opposition!
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 02:28:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2024, 01:24:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.   
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight

I don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern. 
In D2 you get a chance to build momentum and try out new players. You get tests against strong opposition in D1.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 02:28:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2024, 01:24:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.   
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight

I don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern.   

True haven't learned anything new. Big drop with intensity levels within matches in Division one and two. 

Armagh18

All being well we'll get a proper teat against Donegal in a league final. We need the silverware so I hope we'll be going strong.

Orior

Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

Please explain the "going through the motions bit". How does it manifest on the pitch?
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

lurganblue

Quote from: Orior on March 06, 2024, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...

I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions.  The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous. 

Please explain the "going through the motions bit". How does it manifest on the pitch?

I dont see the same intensity to our tackling and our attacking play. I dont see the same confident, purposeful runs, especially in the attack. Of course not always.  There has been glimpses of full throttle but maybe that just hasnt been required yet. I think in some games we have been more wasteful in possession and in taking chances.


Armagh18

Yeah bar the Louth game we've been fairly comfortable against all the weaker teams and that could have been more so if we'd taken our goal chances. Donegal obviously were stronger than the others.

armaghniac

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 07, 2024, 12:46:02 PMYeah bar the Louth game we've been fairly comfortable against all the weaker teams and that could have been more so if we'd taken our goal chances. Donegal obviously were stronger than the others.

While you can concern yourself about the ability of Armagh to step up, it is encouraging that they nowadays usually put in a solid performance. The defence is actually disciplined and is the most effective in the league, which is rather a change. So there is every hope that they would stay in touch with Cavan and on balance they should get over the line, perhaps not by a big margin.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Louth have played well but been unlucky with results

Armagh18

Quote from: armaghniac on March 07, 2024, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 07, 2024, 12:46:02 PMYeah bar the Louth game we've been fairly comfortable against all the weaker teams and that could have been more so if we'd taken our goal chances. Donegal obviously were stronger than the others.

While you can concern yourself about the ability of Armagh to step up, it is encouraging that they nowadays usually put in a solid performance. The defence is actually disciplined and is the most effective in the league, which is rather a change. So there is every hope that they would stay in touch with Cavan and on balance they should get over the line, perhaps not by a big margin.
Yeah in fairness now its very rare the past few years that we are beaten by more than a score, last year it was maybe only Tyrone and before that the last time was Donegal in Ulster in 2022.