AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain

[Milltown Row2]

I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.

A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player

If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.

you must be a poor ref 

So it wasn't a penalty?

Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was  black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?

as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.

Before the non penalty call, McGeary was noted for a foul, 2 minutes later he or Harte depending on McQuillian, he fouled leading up to the 21 yard free, it was cynical, as player was in or on the 14 yard line in front of goal, that would be a minimum noting, since noted already it should have been a yellow, again depending on who mcquillian decided who fouled (Hartes contact was inside box) it could have been a penalty.

My view on the game was there was barely any refereeing incidents, could have been a few black cards but there was no Cavanagh style black cards

[tyrone08]

I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.

A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player

If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.

you must be a poor ref 

So it wasn't a penalty?

Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was  black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?

as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.

Before the non penalty call, McGeary was noted for a foul, 2 minutes later he or Harte depending on McQuillian, he fouled leading up to the 21 yard free, it was cynical, as player was in or on the 14 yard line in front of goal, that would be a minimum noting, since noted already it should have been a yellow, again depending on who mcquillian decided who fouled (Hartes contact was inside box) it could have been a penalty.

My view on the game was there was barely any refereeing incidents, could have been a few black cards but there was no Cavanagh style black cards

Bar the clear cut one on McCurry. Stop now you are embarrassing yourself

[seafoid]

Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final.  Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme.  I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.

Charlie Redmond missed three crucial penalties in big finals, two of them All Irelands. Whether or not you think he was a great player, he was an elite placed ball specialist.

Redmond was not an elite penalty taker. His penalties were woejus, he seemed to completely lose the head and have no plan for what to do. As did other Dublin players of the time who took penalties.

Trevor Giles was also a free taking specialist and missed two penalties in All-Irelands. He also scored one. Against Mayo, of course.

I preferred it when the Dubs were slipshod.
That 95 all Ireland after 4 years of agony was sponsored by St Jude

[yellowcard]

There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.

It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.

Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.

You could argue all day long whether it was a square ball or not but it is impossible to tell and I'd always give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.
Burns was not pushed, you can tell from his reaction that he knew he was guilty straight away.
The penalty should have been retaken.

[Milltown Row2]

I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.

A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player

If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.

you must be a poor ref 

So it wasn't a penalty?

Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was  black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?

as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.

Before the non penalty call, McGeary was noted for a foul, 2 minutes later he or Harte depending on McQuillian, he fouled leading up to the 21 yard free, it was cynical, as player was in or on the 14 yard line in front of goal, that would be a minimum noting, since noted already it should have been a yellow, again depending on who mcquillian decided who fouled (Hartes contact was inside box) it could have been a penalty.

My view on the game was there was barely any refereeing incidents, could have been a few black cards but there was no Cavanagh style black cards

Bar the clear cut one on McCurry. Stop now you are embarrassing yourself

Ok

[Gaafan2]

There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.

It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.

Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.

You could argue all day long whether it was a square ball or not but it is impossible to tell and I'd always give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.
Burns was not pushed, you can tell from his reaction that he knew he was guilty straight away.
The penalty should have been retaken.

Burns not pushed but the Tyrone man contesting the high ball in to the square was. Therefore free out to Tyrone.

[yellowcard]

McQuillan specifically walked into Morgan prior to the penalty being taken and spoke to him, presumably to tell him to remain on his line so its very curious that the penalty was not retaken. Three officials standing within 10 metres of it and they can't even get that right.

This is the most blatant error of all.

[seafoid]

Tyrone were more efficient

Mayo missed 4 goal chances.
Tyrone's subs were better
Mayo had more passengers.

https://youtu.be/aPf92gtptFE

[Armagh18]

Tyrone were more efficient

Mayo missed 4 goal chances.
Tyrone's subs were better
Mayo had more passengers.

https://youtu.be/aPf92gtptFE

Hard to argue with you there.

[tc_manchester]

McQuillan specifically walked into Morgan prior to the penalty being taken and spoke to him, presumably to tell him to remain on his line so its very curious that the penalty was not retaken. Three officials standing within 10 metres of it and they can't even get that right.

This is the most blatant error of all.

It's a hard one to call at the time. i watched it a few times and when O'Donoghue does his stutter step Morgan is still on the line. By the time he kicks it he's 2 foot off so technically it should be retaken but I'd have an issue with the stutter step in it's being done to make the goalie make a move.

[trueblue1234]

I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.

I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.

[Milltown Row2]

I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.

I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.

Mccurrys was and was called at the time, but he backed out of another one later

[yellowcard]

McQuillan specifically walked into Morgan prior to the penalty being taken and spoke to him, presumably to tell him to remain on his line so its very curious that the penalty was not retaken. Three officials standing within 10 metres of it and they can't even get that right.

This is the most blatant error of all.

It's a hard one to call at the time. i watched it a few times and when O'Donoghue does his stutter step Morgan is still on the line. By the time he kicks it he's 2 foot off so technically it should be retaken but I'd have an issue with the stutter step in it's being done to make the goalie make a move.

Watch it again, it's really not that hard at all. There are 3 officials involved all within 10 metres and its a set piece so very simple to decipher. Until the stutter step is banned then there is nothing in the rules from preventing it so that should not even enter the equation. I think McQuillan simply bottled it and took the easy option.

If Morgan had saved the shot he would have been 2 yards off his line and it would have been more obvious. But just because the shot went wide does not mean that O'Donoghue was not distracted by a narrowing target after Morgan moved early.   

[yellowcard]

I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.

I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.

Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.

Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.   

[whitey]

I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.

I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.

Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.

Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.

If he had saved it it may have become a big talking point

When it was missed-it became a footnote

The way Mayo were playing, I still think they would have found a way to lose