China Coronavirus

[bennydorano]

I think there's a large section of society who would want to take their chances if there was an Ebola outbreak at this stage, sensible phase of the pandemic has ended.

[sid waddell]

What this 4th "wave" is really proving is that lockdown was a total nonsense. There have been very few outbreaks in pubs, hotels and restaurants.

So why did cases drop precipitously when every lockdown came in?

[Milltown Row2]

I think there's a large section of society who would want to take their chances if there was an Ebola outbreak at this stage, sensible phase of the pandemic has ended.

Yeah you'd wonder if there was an illness that was killing young ones at a very high rate would they take a 'chance' on a vaccine that would reduce their chances of dying.

[highorlow]

How is it proving lockdown is a total nonsense?

The selective nature of some of it is nonsense yes but the general principle is not. It is just unsustainable.

How long more is NPHET going to be sustainable, if they focussed more on protecting the areas they had control over rather than deflection then more lives may have been saved.

Look at the length of the NPHET members , WTF? How can any logical scientific decision or advice be made with this list of talking heads?

Dr Ronan Glynn, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Prof Philip Nolan, President, National University of Ireland, Maynooth and Chair of the Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group (IEMAG)
Dr Kevin Kelleher, Assistant National Director, Public Health, HSE
Dr Mary Favier, Past president of the ICGP, Covid-19 advisor
Dr Michael Power, Consultant in Anaesthetics / Intensive Care Medicine, Beaumont Hospital
Ms Rachel Kenna, Chief Nursing Officer, DOH
Ms Tracey Conroy, Assistant Secretary, Acute Hospitals Policy Division, DOH
Dr Colette Bonner, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Prof Mark Ferguson, Director General, Science Foundation Ireland, and Chief Scientific Adviser to the Government of Ireland, SFI
Ms Yvonne O'Neill, National Director, Community Operations, HSE
Mr Fergal Goodman, Assistant Secretary, Primary Care Division, DOH
Dr Breda Smyth, Public Health Specialist, HSE
Dr Máirín Ryan, Deputy Chief Executive and Director of HTA, HIQA
Dr Eibhlín Connolly, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Mr Greg Dempsey, Deputy Secretary, Governance and Performance Division, DOH
Dr Elaine Breslin, Clinical Assessment Manager, HPRA (alternate for Jeanette McCallion)
Dr Catherine Fleming, Consultant in Infectious Diseases, University of Galway
Prof Mary Horgan, President, RCPI
Prof Karina Butler, Chair of the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC)
Dr Siobhán O'Sullivan, Chief Bioethics Officer, DOH;
Mr Liam Woods, National Director, Acute Operations, HSE
Dr Anna-Rose Prior, Consultant Microbiologist, Tallaght University Hospital
Dr Martin Cormican, HSE National Antimicrobial Resistance and Infection Control (AMRIC)
Dr John Cuddihy, Interim Director, HSE HPSC
Dr Colm Henry, Chief Clinical Officer, HSE
Dr Darina O'Flanagan, Special Advisor to the NPHET
Ms Deirdre Watters, Communications Unit, DOH
Mr Phelim Quinn, Chief Executive Officer, HIQA
   'In Attendance'
   Dr Conor Teljeur, Chief Scientist, HIQA
Ms Aoife Gillivan, Communications Unit, DOH
Ms Laura Casey, NPHET Policy Unit, DOH
Ms Sheona Gilsenan, Senior Health Data Analyst R&D & Health Analytics Division, DOH Ms Sarah Glavey, Health Protection Coordination & Support Unit, DOH
Dr Trish Markham, HSE (Alternate for Tom McGuinness)
Dr Louise Hendrick, Specialist Registrar in Public Health Medicine, DOH
Dr Robert Conway, Specialist Registrar, DOH
Ms Pauline White, Statistics & Analytics Unit, DOH
Ms Elizabeth McCrohan, Statistics and Analytics Unit, DOH
Mr Michael O'Leary, Public Health Policy Unit, DOH
Secretariat
Dr Keith Lyons, Ms Ruth Brandon, Mr Ivan Murphy, Ms Emily Kilroy, Mr Liam Hawkes, Ms Fiona Tynan, Mr Liam Robinson, DOH
   Apologies
   Prof Colm Bergin, Consultant in Infectious Diseases, St James's Hospital
Dr Cillian de Gascun, Laboratory Director, NVRL
Ms Fidelma Browne, Head of Programmes and Campaigns, HSE Communications Dr Siobhán Ní Bhriain, Lead for Integrated Care, HSE
Dr Lorraine Doherty, National Clinical Director Health Protection, HSE

[JoG2]

How is it proving lockdown is a total nonsense?

The selective nature of some of it is nonsense yes but the general principle is not. It is just unsustainable.

How long more is NPHET going to be sustainable, if they focussed more on protecting the areas they had control over rather than deflection then more lives may have been saved.

Look at the length of the NPHET members , WTF? How can any logical scientific decision or advice be made with this list of talking heads?

Dr Ronan Glynn, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Prof Philip Nolan, President, National University of Ireland, Maynooth and Chair of the Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group (IEMAG)
Dr Kevin Kelleher, Assistant National Director, Public Health, HSE
Dr Mary Favier, Past president of the ICGP, Covid-19 advisor
Dr Michael Power, Consultant in Anaesthetics / Intensive Care Medicine, Beaumont Hospital
Ms Rachel Kenna, Chief Nursing Officer, DOH
Ms Tracey Conroy, Assistant Secretary, Acute Hospitals Policy Division, DOH
Dr Colette Bonner, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Prof Mark Ferguson, Director General, Science Foundation Ireland, and Chief Scientific Adviser to the Government of Ireland, SFI
Ms Yvonne O'Neill, National Director, Community Operations, HSE
Mr Fergal Goodman, Assistant Secretary, Primary Care Division, DOH
Dr Breda Smyth, Public Health Specialist, HSE
Dr Máirín Ryan, Deputy Chief Executive and Director of HTA, HIQA
Dr Eibhlín Connolly, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Mr Greg Dempsey, Deputy Secretary, Governance and Performance Division, DOH
Dr Elaine Breslin, Clinical Assessment Manager, HPRA (alternate for Jeanette McCallion)
Dr Catherine Fleming, Consultant in Infectious Diseases, University of Galway
Prof Mary Horgan, President, RCPI
Prof Karina Butler, Chair of the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC)
Dr Siobhán O'Sullivan, Chief Bioethics Officer, DOH;
Mr Liam Woods, National Director, Acute Operations, HSE
Dr Anna-Rose Prior, Consultant Microbiologist, Tallaght University Hospital
Dr Martin Cormican, HSE National Antimicrobial Resistance and Infection Control (AMRIC)
Dr John Cuddihy, Interim Director, HSE HPSC
Dr Colm Henry, Chief Clinical Officer, HSE
Dr Darina O'Flanagan, Special Advisor to the NPHET
Ms Deirdre Watters, Communications Unit, DOH
Mr Phelim Quinn, Chief Executive Officer, HIQA
   'In Attendance'
   Dr Conor Teljeur, Chief Scientist, HIQA
Ms Aoife Gillivan, Communications Unit, DOH
Ms Laura Casey, NPHET Policy Unit, DOH
Ms Sheona Gilsenan, Senior Health Data Analyst R&D & Health Analytics Division, DOH Ms Sarah Glavey, Health Protection Coordination & Support Unit, DOH
Dr Trish Markham, HSE (Alternate for Tom McGuinness)
Dr Louise Hendrick, Specialist Registrar in Public Health Medicine, DOH
Dr Robert Conway, Specialist Registrar, DOH
Ms Pauline White, Statistics & Analytics Unit, DOH
Ms Elizabeth McCrohan, Statistics and Analytics Unit, DOH
Mr Michael O'Leary, Public Health Policy Unit, DOH
Secretariat
Dr Keith Lyons, Ms Ruth Brandon, Mr Ivan Murphy, Ms Emily Kilroy, Mr Liam Hawkes, Ms Fiona Tynan, Mr Liam Robinson, DOH
   Apologies
   Prof Colm Bergin, Consultant in Infectious Diseases, St James's Hospital
Dr Cillian de Gascun, Laboratory Director, NVRL
Ms Fidelma Browne, Head of Programmes and Campaigns, HSE Communications Dr Siobhán Ní Bhriain, Lead for Integrated Care, HSE
Dr Lorraine Doherty, National Clinical Director Health Protection, HSE

You have an issue with the number of members in NPHET? Waterford Whispers could run with this post

[trueblue1234]

It's getting increasingly hard to work out what is satire on this thread and what isn't.

[highorlow]

You have an issue with the number of members in NPHET? Waterford Whispers could run with this post

Anything critical or opposing on this board, particularly when it's Covid related then the snowflakes appear with smart ass responses.

When there are that many people of the same personality and the same profession then it leads to group think. No consequences of lockdown would ever have been discussed in the NPHET meetings. Time will tell, but the unintended consequences of lockdown both economically and in relation to the health of the nation will come to the fore over the coming months. The waiting lists for standard care is already out of control.

As regards the numbers on the NPHET team, I have an issue with NPHET still been in existence, this is no longer an emergency or a national crises. Time to downsize or "rebrand".

[trueblue1234]

You have an issue with the number of members in NPHET? Waterford Whispers could run with this post

Anything critical or opposing on this board, particularly when it's Covid related then the snowflakes appear with smart ass responses.

When there are that many people of the same personality and the same profession then it leads to group think. No consequences of lockdown would ever have been discussed in the NPHET meetings. Time will tell, but the unintended consequences of lockdown both economically and in relation to the health of the nation will come to the fore over the coming months. The waiting lists for standard care is already out of control.

As regards the numbers on the NPHET team, I have an issue with NPHET still been in existence, this is no longer an emergency or a national crises. Time to downsize or "rebrand".

Do you think no lockdowns, and therefore the vastly increased levels of Covid would have been beneficial financially with the impact on businesses of loss of workers through illness, self isolation, caring for children who were isolating etc, Helped the medical profession (including mental health) who were destroyed with staffing numbers due to illness and self isolation etc? Talk me through how higher levels of Covid would have sorted this?

[Rudi]

Lockdowns were used until the vaccine came along. Now the vast majority of deaths concern the unvaccinated.

[/b]

As per HSE, between 01/04/21 & 30/10/21

313/535 deaths received at least 1 vaccine dose. ie 58.5 %

47.3% fully vaccinated post 14 day spell died.

What you posted is incorrect as per HSE information.

[lenny]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

[Last Man]

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3596
would seem sensible amidst the confusing narratives to spread your bets.

[imtommygunn]

You have an issue with the number of members in NPHET? Waterford Whispers could run with this post

Anything critical or opposing on this board, particularly when it's Covid related then the snowflakes appear with smart ass responses.

When there are that many people of the same personality and the same profession then it leads to group think. No consequences of lockdown would ever have been discussed in the NPHET meetings. Time will tell, but the unintended consequences of lockdown both economically and in relation to the health of the nation will come to the fore over the coming months. The waiting lists for standard care is already out of control.

As regards the numbers on the NPHET team, I have an issue with NPHET still been in existence, this is no longer an emergency or a national crises. Time to downsize or "rebrand".

It's nothing to do with critical or opposing. You posted some speel about proving lockdowns don't work and it didn't seem to do anything of the sort?

The last post is harsh, over the top and probably far from accurate too tbf.

[armaghniac]

You have an issue with the number of members in NPHET? Waterford Whispers could run with this post

Anything critical or opposing on this board, particularly when it's Covid related then the snowflakes appear with smart ass responses.

When there are that many people of the same personality and the same profession then it leads to group think. No consequences of lockdown would ever have been discussed in the NPHET meetings. Time will tell, but the unintended consequences of lockdown both economically and in relation to the health of the nation will come to the fore over the coming months. The waiting lists for standard care is already out of control.

Once you see mention of waiting lists then you know that the argument is manure. Lockdown reduced the number of people in hospital and so reduced pressure on waiting lists, people on waiting lists needed more lockdown, not less. Yet this untruthful argument appears again and again that somehow these people would have done better if there had been even more people in hospital. This is Boris Johnson logic, and nobody believes it except those who suspend their brain because it suits their agenda.

[highorlow]

My point all along is that locking up the healthy for the last 2 x summers was an incorrect policy and likely caused by groupthink.

This has now without doubt led to the general population been more vulnerable to every sort of virus going around, whereby there remains a high level of disease spreading in the community.

This in turn has led to the unintended consequence of more people getting ill during the Winter and therefore clogging up the whole health system.

If the opposing voices to this argument fail to see this then you are also part of the groupthink whereby you believe that the extreme lockdown was some sort of success.

[imtommygunn]

The thing was rife at the time - absolutely rife. Something had to be done.