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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15825 on: July 19, 2021, 10:12:35 AM »
I'm not huge on the amount of Covid restrictions in place in this country over the last 6 months, however I find what the English government are currently doing is totally insane & dangerous. A former work colleague of mine (as fit as a fiddle in his early 50's) is currently in ISU in a very bad way. Are the English off their heads or what, nightclubs packed to the rafters in doors is surely going to lead to disaster, vaccinated or not.

COVID-19 is never going to go away. We can't live like prisoners for another couple of years.

I would accept that, but is the English approach not too much to soon.

It's been too long in my opinion. Now with the roll out of the vaccines if we can't ease restrictions now when will we ever be able to? What else can be done?

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« Reply #15826 on: July 19, 2021, 10:16:45 AM »
I'm not huge on the amount of Covid restrictions in place in this country over the last 6 months, however I find what the English government are currently doing is totally insane & dangerous. A former work colleague of mine (as fit as a fiddle in his early 50's) is currently in ISU in a very bad way. Are the English off their heads or what, nightclubs packed to the rafters in doors is surely going to lead to disaster, vaccinated or not.

COVID-19 is never going to go away. We can't live like prisoners for another couple of years.

I would accept that, but is the English approach not too much to soon.

It's been too long in my opinion. Now with the roll out of the vaccines if we can't ease restrictions now when will we ever be able to? What else can be done?

I think a phased approach to ease restrictions would be sensible. Abandoning social distancing, masks in doors all in one go seems a bit much. Test the water bit by bit. With a huge increase in case numbers & hospital numbers increasing seems a bit daft to fully open.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15827 on: July 19, 2021, 10:17:00 AM »
I'm not huge on the amount of Covid restrictions in place in this country over the last 6 months, however I find what the English government are currently doing is totally insane & dangerous. A former work colleague of mine (as fit as a fiddle in his early 50's) is currently in ISU in a very bad way. Are the English off their heads or what, nightclubs packed to the rafters in doors is surely going to lead to disaster, vaccinated or not.

COVID-19 is never going to go away. We can't live like prisoners for another couple of years.

I would accept that, but is the English approach not too much to soon.

It's been too long in my opinion. Now with the roll out of the vaccines if we can't ease restrictions now when will we ever be able to? What else can be done?
Exactly, when is it not too soon? What are the criteria?

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« Reply #15828 on: July 19, 2021, 10:21:36 AM »
I'm not huge on the amount of Covid restrictions in place in this country over the last 6 months, however I find what the English government are currently doing is totally insane & dangerous. A former work colleague of mine (as fit as a fiddle in his early 50's) is currently in ISU in a very bad way. Are the English off their heads or what, nightclubs packed to the rafters in doors is surely going to lead to disaster, vaccinated or not.

COVID-19 is never going to go away. We can't live like prisoners for another couple of years.

I would accept that, but is the English approach not too much to soon.

It's been too long in my opinion. Now with the roll out of the vaccines if we can't ease restrictions now when will we ever be able to? What else can be done?

I think a phased approach to ease restrictions would be sensible. Abandoning social distancing, masks in doors all in one go seems a bit much. Test the water bit by bit. With a huge increase in case numbers & hospital numbers increasing seems a bit daft to fully open.

It's a double edged sword my friend. What happens if cases rise? Surely we can't go into a fourth lockdown? I feel like like the public would revolt and wouldn't abide by government regulations if they went back into a lockdown.

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« Reply #15829 on: July 19, 2021, 11:31:09 AM »
Cases are already rising. There are no easy answers.
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« Reply #15830 on: July 19, 2021, 11:33:31 AM »
I'm not huge on the amount of Covid restrictions in place in this country over the last 6 months, however I find what the English government are currently doing is totally insane & dangerous. A former work colleague of mine (as fit as a fiddle in his early 50's) is currently in ISU in a very bad way. Are the English off their heads or what, nightclubs packed to the rafters in doors is surely going to lead to disaster, vaccinated or not.

COVID-19 is never going to go away. We can't live like prisoners for another couple of years.

I would accept that, but is the English approach not too much to soon.

It's been too long in my opinion. Now with the roll out of the vaccines if we can't ease restrictions now when will we ever be able to? What else can be done?

I think a phased approach to ease restrictions would be sensible. Abandoning social distancing, masks in doors all in one go seems a bit much. Test the water bit by bit. With a huge increase in case numbers & hospital numbers increasing seems a bit daft to fully open.

It's a double edged sword my friend. What happens if cases rise? Surely we can't go into a fourth lockdown? I feel like like the public would revolt and wouldn't abide by government regulations if they went back into a lockdown.

Absolute insanity is right re Boris's decisions. Without a phased easing as more and more get their 2nd jab, a fourth Lockdown will happen.

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« Reply #15831 on: July 19, 2021, 11:43:49 AM »
Are we not stuffed in the north now? Basically if the government want another lockdown then furlough ends soon so anything post furlough needs more money and any money would need to be approved by parliament which will hardly approve furlough money if England not getting it.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15832 on: July 19, 2021, 12:30:58 PM »
Are we not stuffed in the north now? Basically if the government want another lockdown then furlough ends soon so anything post furlough needs more money and any money would need to be approved by parliament which will hardly approve furlough money if England not getting it.

We're more at risk than any other place given the absolute mess our health service is in. But there are no easy answers. People are going to have to be sensible and cautious.

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« Reply #15833 on: July 19, 2021, 01:28:39 PM »
Even when you look at that dashboard and numbers are very low covid wise capacity can be at 100% plus. I think people just assume that it is massively stretched due to covid but it was massively stretched before it.


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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15834 on: July 19, 2021, 04:31:47 PM »
Are we not stuffed in the north now? Basically if the government want another lockdown then furlough ends soon so anything post furlough needs more money and any money would need to be approved by parliament which will hardly approve furlough money if England not getting it.

I don't think that a widespread "lockdown" will be needed, but even closing pubs etc would create a need for financial support.
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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15835 on: July 19, 2021, 04:33:51 PM »
Are we not stuffed in the north now? Basically if the government want another lockdown then furlough ends soon so anything post furlough needs more money and any money would need to be approved by parliament which will hardly approve furlough money if England not getting it.

I don't think that a widespread "lockdown" will be needed, but even closing pubs etc would create a need for financial support.

No more closing anything. It's over. Would love to know if the roles were reversed would the OAPs throw away 2 years of their prime to help the youth?

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15836 on: July 19, 2021, 04:36:38 PM »
Are we not stuffed in the north now? Basically if the government want another lockdown then furlough ends soon so anything post furlough needs more money and any money would need to be approved by parliament which will hardly approve furlough money if England not getting it.

I don't think that a widespread "lockdown" will be needed, but even closing pubs etc would create a need for financial support.

My point is though that any lockdown would have no funding. Who pays the bar staff?

So I guess I am agreeing.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15837 on: July 19, 2021, 05:25:08 PM »
Are we not stuffed in the north now? Basically if the government want another lockdown then furlough ends soon so anything post furlough needs more money and any money would need to be approved by parliament which will hardly approve furlough money if England not getting it.

I don't think that a widespread "lockdown" will be needed, but even closing pubs etc would create a need for financial support.

No more closing anything. It's over. Would love to know if the roles were reversed would the OAPs throw away 2 years of their prime to help the youth?

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15838 on: July 19, 2021, 05:38:00 PM »
I'm not huge on the amount of Covid restrictions in place in this country over the last 6 months, however I find what the English government are currently doing is totally insane & dangerous. A former work colleague of mine (as fit as a fiddle in his early 50's) is currently in ISU in a very bad way. Are the English off their heads or what, nightclubs packed to the rafters in doors is surely going to lead to disaster, vaccinated or not.

COVID-19 is never going to go away. We can't live like prisoners for another couple of years.

I would accept that, but is the English approach not too much to soon.

It's been too long in my opinion. Now with the roll out of the vaccines if we can't ease restrictions now when will we ever be able to? What else can be done?
Agreed. Be safer dead than another year and a half like that one. 99.9% of vulnerable people have the jab and anyone in a nightclub is doing so at their own free will and accepting the minimal risk. If you’re that worried about a virus stay at home.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15839 on: July 19, 2021, 05:48:50 PM »
It's a huge gamble by the Tory government. There will inevitably be some deaths as a result of their decision given the high number of daily case numbers but it is about finding the correct balance between keeping hospital numbers at manageable levels and having a properly functioning economy. Only when the entire Covid pandemic is over can we properly judge these decisions with hindsight.