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Big Jim may get on the bus.

Like a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.

Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.

I would have had no complaints and would prefer to see Mayo still in the Championship.

[Cavan]

Mayo v Donegal - Cavan
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath - Tullamore
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Longford
Galway v Armagh - Navan
Dublin v Derry - Newry

Can't see any of the above in Bold holding games as they will be away themselves on Saturday.

Like the Lisbon Treaty, re-run it until you get the right result.

Also like the Lisbon Treaty, change the motion and it'll pass.

Now for the implementation which is not straight forward to say the least.

Shorts and skorts must be the same colour, same style and have the camogie association crest on the same side..

Does this mean all current skorts are defunct?

I'd imagine that there are no shorts that currently within that spec so the manfactures will be busy over the next few weeks. You would wonder what it will mean for this weekend games if there is any.

So it was announced over the tannoy at Mayo Cavan that the hooter would not be in use for the game as it was not televised. Look, we all know this is madness and it has been discussed before.

But also there was a black card during the game, Neary for Mayo got a black just before half time, and with a lot of stoppages and injury time, he was back just after the start of the 2nd half. Isn't it genuinely madness that in games in the same group, a black card in one game with a hooter will mean 10 actual game minutes, and a black card with no hooter can be run down when there are injuries or on other times when the clock would usually be stopped. I just cannot get over how they fumbled the hooter with this to make games so different

I cannot understand the hooter rule when it was in place for the entire league and now they think it should be only used in televised games.

The black card is 10 minutes from issue and that keeps ticking even when there is a clock and it is stoped for injuries.

In the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.

McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from  kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.

The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.

Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.

Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.

For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.

If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.

Rules are rules unfortunately for monaghan

Does anyone know if the rules are actually different for sidelines instead of 45s or frees. Or is this just a consequence of numerous rules being rushed in?

If it's out for sideline and hooter goes its game over. It was tight enough whether it was taken before hooter went.

In the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.

McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from  kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.

The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.

Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.

Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.

For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.

If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.

Rules are rules unfortunately for monaghan

Didnt see the game, If the ball went out before the hooter, I think they can take the sideline.

Edit

If the ball is already out of play following a score, a wide or for a sideline kick when the hooter sounds, the Referee shall signal the end of playing time on the sounding of the hooter.

Not even sure if that is correct I though a kick out could be taken?

In the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.

McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from  kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.

The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.

Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.

Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.

In the U20 game the other night between Cavan and Monaghan there was a strange call after Cavan had breached the 3 up rule.

Monaghan had been attacking and scored a point. The linesman then brought the breach to the referess attention and the point that Monaghan scored was chalked off and they were given a free in front of the goals instead which they tapped over the bar.

In a case like that you would think that they just would have allowed the original point to stand and get on with the game, if it had of been a goal that was scored would it have been chalked off?

I know he has been. Don't be so touchy. After round 5 of the league the rules were tweaked so keepers won't have as much freedom . Monaghan had most of the work done by that stagem

Did those changes effect Meath. They were bringing their keeper up alot before the change.

It's bound to have affected them having an extra player when on the attack was a big advantage to the teams that were using the keepers like that. Be interesting to see what teams persit with it coming into the summmer with harder faster ground leading to quicker counter attacks.

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

The 45 would need to be awarded before the hooter goes, if it goes out for a 45 after the hooter has sounded it would be end of game.

You're right:

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick. If a 45 has been awarded but not taken, before the hooter sounds, the free kick can be taken and, if it results in a score, without any other player touching the ball, that score shall be awarded.

"For a wide" must also mean for a 45 as well in this scenario.

More often than not, one team is going to be better placed after the hooter than the other and they basically just need to get the ball out of play (legally) to end the game e.g just throwing it out over the line is a foul and play continues.

Not sure on this rule. At the Monaghan and meath game the hooter went and the Monaghan player kicked it out behind his own goals. Players started to shake hands and then next thing Meath are awared a 45 which was taken and kicked wide. Did the referee get it wrong or is it the rule that a 45 can be given and taken after the hooter sounds?

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

The 45 would need to be awarded before the hooter goes, if it goes out for a 45 after the hooter has sounded it would be end of game.

[It appears that he's not fond of the kick-out rule as it results in too many 50/50s]

Thought Malachy O'Rourke's comments were interesting after today's game, even though he was on the committee.

It appears that he's not fond of the kick-out rule as it results in too many 50/50s. Also, the black card disadvantage isn't a disadvantage.

What nonsense - the game itself (where teams are at same level) are usually 50/50 or thereabouts.
And what's wrong with man to man contests for possession ?
High fielding at midfield was one of the highlights of the game - think Jacko, Willie Joe, Fenton etc.

What other team game after conceding a score do you have to play a ball not in your favour? Every other sport a team gets the chance to restart. As someone pointed out, with the keeper not able to get involved the kick outs didn't need changed

I'm sort of trying to understand the logic. Kick outs have always been about, either from the corner of the square or now from the 21, teams have always had to 'work' a kick out to gain possession and the other team have always tried to nullify that by pressing up so when the keeper has to kick the ball into the center then its still an opportunity to for your team to win possession? 

Do people want the team that has the kick out to get automatic possession?

I get what youre saying, what I mean is teams should be allowed to work their kick out as they see fit not be forced into something they dont want to do. as I say I watched a game last week and one team prob won 1 of their own kick outs. should be able to work a short, given that the keeper cant take the ball in his own half it kind of makes the having to go long pointless as the team wont have a spare man. if anything the new kick out is a disadvantage to the team taking it as the opposition can push their keeper up and gives them an extra man.

Was interesting to watch the Cavan V Down game last week to seen the contrasts in both teams on kickouts. Down didn't want Cavan to go long on kickouts and left a Cavan player free who the keeper used quiet often. Up the other end Cavan tried to give no option to Down to go short and wanted them to go long all the time. 

20 seconds for free kicks? Is that the end off keepers strolling up to kick them?