Use of the word 'humble' or 'humbled' is a particular bugbear.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Itchy on April 07, 2024, 07:23:00 PMWell dunno where that came from but up Cavan. Beggan mom, what are they smoking in BBC?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 01:04:12 PMQuote from: Mario on April 06, 2024, 12:14:02 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 06, 2024, 09:15:41 AMI see Colm Boyle saying that today as well. Derry couldn't beat the dubs at 70%. The week before he tipped the dubs to win comfortably and now he's quoting the players missing. Dublin's biggest fans in the media are often the former Mayo players. I think by bigging up the Dubs it helps build up their team who could never beat themQuote from: yellowcard on April 06, 2024, 08:52:57 AMSome mental gymnastics being employed on this thread when it comes to 'peaking'. It seems that whenever a team wins a few games that it was down to them specifically targeting those games above all others. And when they lose it was down to them timing their 'peak'. All done with the benefit of hindsight or no inside knowledge of their training programmes.
These top county teams are so meticulously prepared now that I don't believe any side has any significant advantage over each other in terms of fitness or S & C programmes. Most of these lads now maintain a very good general level of conditioning all year round. If there are smaller advantages they will be found tactically or in other areas. But the primary advantage will still remain the quality of player available, nothing to do with peaks.
Yep.
When Dublin beat Derry in celtic park Derry and Mickey Harte had bottled it, and feared Dublin. When they trounced Tyrone, they were the real deal.
Everything they done was calculated and fluid. They were the masters of the game and everyone else were to be also rans.
They didn't beat Derry and suddenly it was all about the players that were not playing, but nobody will identify the players to be replaced.
Dublin will only improve and Derry were playing at their limit.
As in all matters the narrative must suit the bias.
Found his article.
He didnt name the players to be replaced on this team of titans operating at 70% that Derry couldn't beat at 100%.
Probably all the better for Mickey Harte.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 05, 2024, 09:59:33 AMMy own take on the ranking for the ulster championship (based on form and the draw).
1 - Derry - out and out team to beat regardless of the draw.
2 - Armagh - draw lends to an 'easier' route to the final.
3 - Donegal - seem to be a resurgence in them, should give Derry a game with a fully fit team.
4 - Down - Should get over Antrim with no fuss, and may catch Armagh on the hop to make it to a final.
5 - Tyrone - should get over the line in their first game, likely to get beat by Derry/Donegal.
6 - Monaghan - expect them to beat Cavan and give Tyrone a game, but fall short at this point.
7 - Fermanagh - expect Armagh to beat them, but it will be a grind for the most of it.
8 - Cavan - no real expectations on Cavan, exit at the first hurdle.
9 - Antrim - Down seem to be showing promise, so expect Antrim to go out at their hands handy enough.
Derry v Armagh a likely final.
Derry's only downfall in my eyes would be injuries to key players(Mc Guigan, Rodgers or Glass) or taking their eye off the ball.
For Armagh to win, they would need to get over the mental hurdle of caving under the pressure of big games that has haunted them this past 3 years.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 04, 2024, 01:31:12 PMQuote from: general_lee on April 04, 2024, 01:25:11 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!I think there's an element of that with Armagh. I refuse to believe we've been fielding our strongest team available in the league.
Would Armagh fans be shocked if in 2 weeks time, we seen 2x ONeills, Kelly, Grimley, Duffy and Nugent start?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMNot saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.Quote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMNot saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.Quote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 12:56:37 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 04, 2024, 12:36:29 PMJemar Hall did similar against Galway the year before too.Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 12:23:51 PMQuote from: Mario on April 04, 2024, 11:51:38 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMNot really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win
100%.
That wasn't even a difficult angle.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2024, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 04:58:10 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 03, 2024, 02:41:31 PM50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMOnly 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2024, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
You know we have penalties in GAA?
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 08:33:58 PMQuote from: HiMucker on April 02, 2024, 05:19:50 PMThat is incorrect, hi.Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMThere is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMTrying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new systemQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Amateur teams cannot go at full tilt from now until the Hogan steps. There is no recovery time. Padraic Joyce said on RTE that a team playing pre season and ending up in the all Ireland final would play 18 matches in around 25 weeks.