Premier League 2023-2024

[rodney trotter]

Everton are playing decent this season and can get out of the relegation scrap .

[SHEEDY]

Don't forget they were paying the wages of icelandic international Gylfi Sigurdsson.
Signed him for €40 million.
Couldn't play the player, couldn't cancel his contract, couldn't sell him.
Not one bit of mitigation for this
Nor construction inflation costs on the stadium

And yes, Usmanov was sponsoring the training ground through his companies, would probably have supplied all the steel for the stadium and in all likelihood have bought naming rights for the new stadium

I don't see why this would matter?

everything matters, Everton were paying Sigurdsson until the end of his contract, all charges were eventually dropped but during that time Everton couldn't play him (needed to spend to replace him) and more importantly couldn't sell him, therefore were a player down through a legal process not of their making.

The war in Ukraine and subsequent government intervention on all russian business in the UK meant Everton lost 20 million in sponsorship over night of their training ground from russian company usm and a future 200million naming rights agreement for the new stadium from the same company.

Everton have breached sustainability rules and have admitted the breach, 10 points is an excessive punishment though and this will surely open a big can of worms for other future cases

[Jell 0 Biafra]

No way this sticks on appeal.  What they'd have to do to City and Chelsea...

[Hound]

No way this sticks on appeal.  What they'd have to do to City and Chelsea...

The charge has to stick. Their own audited accounts shows in absolute black and white they broke the rules. They admit they broke the rules. And they knew exactly what was happening. They have a list of excuses as to why,  but that's all just 'hard luck', they needed to tighten the belt and they chose not to, probably because they thought the Premier League wouldn't actually implement the punishment.

So there has to be a points deduction, I've no idea though how they decide between 1 and 12 points, which was the range for this breach, it seems.

City is completely different as their accounts show they are not breaking any rules. They have Ethiad and related companies paying them hyper inflated commercial revenues. Proving that, especially with City having an endless fund for legal fees, not easy.

[Blowitupref]

Just noticed now that Everton's new stadium has been built on a former World Heritage site and it's former as UNESCO recommended that the City lose its status, with this development.

[mrdeeds]

No way this sticks on appeal.  What they'd have to do to City and Chelsea...

It might increase as the clubs relegated are now involved.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Why would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?

[mrdeeds]

Why would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?

Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.

[SHEEDY]

Why would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?

Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.

here comes Mr Daily Mail ffs. If anyone is getting sued it would be the premier league, those clubs will feel the Everton decision should have happened last season or season before and gave them opportunity to stay up.

The decision from the board to penalise Everton included the wording that Everton received 'no sporting advantage' from breaking Profit and Sustainability rules therefore making any claims against Everton a non starter.

[mrdeeds]

Why would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?

Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.

here comes Mr Daily Mail ffs. If anyone is getting sued it would be the premier league, those clubs will feel the Everton decision should have happened last season or season before and gave them opportunity to stay up.

The decision from the board to penalise Everton included the wording that Everton received 'no sporting advantage' from breaking Profit and Sustainability rules therefore making any claims against Everton a non starter.

Mr Daily Mail, never been called that before.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Why would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?

Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.

Even if the case was reopened, how would an increased point deduction help these other clubs?  Even if they were able to show a sporting advantage had accrued to Everton, that would have been in previous seasons. Docking them more points this season doesn't help with that.

[mrdeeds]

Why would that mean it would increase? What's a points deduction this season to last season's relegated clubs?

Because with other clubs set to sue and reopen case the punishment may increase.

Even if the case was reopened, how would an increased point deduction help these other clubs?  Even if they were able to show a sporting advantage had accrued to Everton, that would have been in previous seasons. Docking them more points this season doesn't help with that.

There would also be a fine.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

OK, I could see a situation where the fine increases.  Can't see it for points deduction though.

I think  Spurs were docked 12 points one season in the 90s, only to have it overturned on appeal.  Something similar may happen here.

[johnnycool]

Don't forget they were paying the wages of icelandic international Gylfi Sigurdsson.
Signed him for €40 million.
Couldn't play the player, couldn't cancel his contract, couldn't sell him.
Not one bit of mitigation for this
Nor construction inflation costs on the stadium

And yes, Usmanov was sponsoring the training ground through his companies, would probably have supplied all the steel for the stadium and in all likelihood have bought naming rights for the new stadium

I don't see why this would matter?

It was an impact on their ability to generate income. The more income you can generate, the more you can spend, that's how FFP works.

[jcpen]

A better point for Liverpool than City. City very much on top for most of it and will feel they left it behind them.