Drugs in UK sports....

[Niall Quinn]

On micro-dosing; apologies if this has been posted previously:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

[muppet]

On micro-dosing; apologies if this has been posted previously:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Very interesting article. I had seen it on BBC but don't know if anyone posted it here.

Reading that, any halfwit could be on EPO in amateur sports and easily get away with it. Even in most professional sports where testing isn't exactly rigorous it would be easy to get away with it.

[JimStynes]

http://www.outsideonline.com/1924306/drug-test

Another good article about the benefits of PEDs.

[INDIANA]

On micro-dosing; apologies if this has been posted previously:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Very interesting article. I had seen it on BBC but don't know if anyone posted it here.

Reading that, any halfwit could be on EPO in amateur sports and easily get away with it. Even in most professional sports where testing isn't exactly rigorous it would be easy to get away with it.

It's not that easy at professional level and I'd lay any odds that amateur would test positive at professional level.

What's happening at professional level is the covering up of thousands of positive tests by the individual federations. Sport governing bodies are happy with the level of funding for testing because it drastically reduces the chances of one of their athletes testing positive.

When an athlete enters the professional ranks his blood passport should be documented. If he was regularly tested during the year he'd find it near impossible to spike his blood levels. But that won't happen unless the Federations decide to get serious which they won't.

Probably at the stage to just let athletes take whatever they bloody want but I just abhor the notion of it.

[LeoMc]

On micro-dosing; apologies if this has been posted previously:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Very interesting article. I had seen it on BBC but don't know if anyone posted it here.

Reading that, any halfwit could be on EPO in amateur sports and easily get away with it. Even in most professional sports where testing isn't exactly rigorous it would be easy to get away with it.

It's not that easy at professional level and I'd lay any odds that amateur would test positive at professional level.

What's happening at professional level is the covering up of thousands of positive tests by the individual federations. Sport governing bodies are happy with the level of funding for testing because it drastically reduces the chances of one of their athletes testing positive.

When an athlete enters the professional ranks his blood passport should be documented. If he was regularly tested during the year he'd find it near impossible to spike his blood levels. But that won't happen unless the Federations decide to get serious which they won't.

Probably at the stage to just let athletes take whatever they bloody want but I just abhor the notion of it.
Only way it can be controlled. Set the acceptable levels of testosterone, EPO, etc, and let them fire away at what ever they want whilst keeping their bloods within the "acceptable" limits.

[smelmoth]

The sure let them get on with attitude to drugs in sport is non sensical. In any sport there has to be a dominant link between talent and performance. To switch that dominance to who has the smarter chemist rather than who has the greater talent just destroys sport. 

In GAA there is widespread use of supplements at the elite level. Proper international standard testing is a must. Winter testing is key

[Minder]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/20/doping-world-athletics-championships-cheats

[ballinaman]

Farah vs Africans in 10,000m at 1.45pm today.

[trileacman]

Is rugby not awash with this stuff nowadays too?

[Franko]

https://jugginsrambling.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/hello-world/

[tiempo]

Farah vs Africans in 10,000m at 1.45pm today.

Farah being from Somalia and all that

[JimStynes]

https://jugginsrambling.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/hello-world/

I liked this bit:

The case of Usain Bolt serves as a particularly useful example when it comes to highlighting the extraordinary putridity of the bullshit we are expected to swallow. A quick examination of the 20 fastest 100m times ever recorded, for instance, reveals some interesting truths. Bolt himself has run the fastest three times in history. The only other athletes to make this elite list are: Tyson Gay – convicted doper, Justin Gatlin – twice-convicted and unrepentant doper, Asafa Powell – doper, and Bolt's very own training partner Yohan Blake – clean (really? No, of course not, he's served a doping ban as well).

Are we to believe that Bolt has run considerably faster than all of these men, fuelled only by his favoured diet of chicken nuggets? When you consider the other high-profile Jamaican athletes, such as Veronica Campbell Brown and Sherone Simpson, who have fallen foul of doping rules, coupled with the historically lax approach of Jamaican officials to anti-doping, it all starts to look rather ominous. Is Bolt really the only high-profile Jamaican not to succumb to doping? The fastest man in the history of humankind, who trains with dopers, races against known dopers and has been linked with a notorious Mexican chemist. Surely not!

[muppet]

https://jugginsrambling.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/hello-world/

I liked this bit:

The case of Usain Bolt serves as a particularly useful example when it comes to highlighting the extraordinary putridity of the bullshit we are expected to swallow. A quick examination of the 20 fastest 100m times ever recorded, for instance, reveals some interesting truths. Bolt himself has run the fastest three times in history. The only other athletes to make this elite list are: Tyson Gay – convicted doper, Justin Gatlin – twice-convicted and unrepentant doper, Asafa Powell – doper, and Bolt's very own training partner Yohan Blake – clean (really? No, of course not, he's served a doping ban as well).

Are we to believe that Bolt has run considerably faster than all of these men, fuelled only by his favoured diet of chicken nuggets? When you consider the other high-profile Jamaican athletes, such as Veronica Campbell Brown and Sherone Simpson, who have fallen foul of doping rules, coupled with the historically lax approach of Jamaican officials to anti-doping, it all starts to look rather ominous. Is Bolt really the only high-profile Jamaican not to succumb to doping? The fastest man in the history of humankind, who trains with dopers, races against known dopers and has been linked with a notorious Mexican chemist. Surely not!

Another way to look at that, is that the testers have caught the owners of 17 of the fastest 20 100m times in history. Bolt owns the other 3. If avoiding being caught is so easy, why have the others all failed tests, and Bolt hasn't?

[gallsman]

Gonna say Bolt, MJ and Frankie Fredericks the other 3?

[muppet]

Gonna say Bolt, MJ and Frankie Fredericks the other 3?

3 times, not three different men.

AFAIK neither MJ or FF never tested positive.

But then we know from Lance Armstrong and even Michele De Bruin just how poor an argument that statement is.