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Show posts MenuQuote from: gawa316 on January 27, 2026, 05:08:30 PMDorgu out for 10 weeks...been having a good season...was nearly contemplating breaking my stance on not picking Utd for my fantasy team
QuoteQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 09, 2026, 03:20:21 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2026, 03:10:29 PMBB what I'm reading here is that your list of "elite" players is really quite small.
If players like Alonso and Simeone can't be considered elite - despite winning 100+ caps for tier one nations, and winning top tier leagues in multiple countries - then your criteria for elite is exceptionally high. Basically ballon d'or winners.
Any expectation for a regular or even flow from such a narrow pool of talent to a completely different role, will always result in disappointment.
That's just how numbers work. Circumstance and theory have no reason to be applied.
Yes, the definition of elite is by definition a small list.
There are a tiny amount of elite players who went on to be elite managers.
From that it isn't unreasonable to suggest that an elite player is not guaranteed to be a successful manager.
Most successful managers are decent but not great attacking or midfielder players often whose playing careers were cut short.
Go back to the FIFA list of the 100 best ever players. Cruyff, Deschamps, Beckenbauer, Dalglish and Enrique are the only successful managers. And only Cruyff can realistically be considered absolutely top drawer in both.
5% of the best ever players succeeded in management. That's not a pool clubs should be dipping into.QuoteQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 09, 2026, 03:20:21 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2026, 03:10:29 PMBB what I'm reading here is that your list of "elite" players is really quite small.
If players like Alonso and Simeone can't be considered elite - despite winning 100+ caps for tier one nations, and winning top tier leagues in multiple countries - then your criteria for elite is exceptionally high. Basically ballon d'or winners.
Any expectation for a regular or even flow from such a narrow pool of talent to a completely different role, will always result in disappointment.
That's just how numbers work. Circumstance and theory have no reason to be applied.
Yes, the definition of elite is by definition a small list.
There are a tiny amount of elite players who went on to be elite managers.
From that it isn't unreasonable to suggest that an elite player is not guaranteed to be a successful manager.
Most successful managers are decent but not great attacking or midfielder players often whose playing careers were cut short.
Go back to the FIFA list of the 100 best ever players. Cruyff, Deschamps, Beckenbauer, Dalglish and Enrique are the only successful managers. And only Cruyff can realistically be considered absolutely top drawer in both.
5% of the best ever players succeeded in management. That's not a pool clubs should be dipping into.Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 09, 2026, 03:20:21 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2026, 03:10:29 PMBB what I'm reading here is that your list of "elite" players is really quite small.
If players like Alonso and Simeone can't be considered elite - despite winning 100+ caps for tier one nations, and winning top tier leagues in multiple countries - then your criteria for elite is exceptionally high. Basically ballon d'or winners.
Any expectation for a regular or even flow from such a narrow pool of talent to a completely different role, will always result in disappointment.
That's just how numbers work. Circumstance and theory have no reason to be applied.
Yes, the definition of elite is by definition a small list.
There are a tiny amount of elite players who went on to be elite managers.
From that it isn't unreasonable to suggest that an elite player is not guaranteed to be a successful manager.
Most successful managers are decent but not great attacking or midfielder players often whose playing careers were cut short.
Go back to the FIFA list of the 100 best ever players. Cruyff, Deschamps, Beckenbauer, Dalglish and Enrique are the only successful managers. And only Cruyff can realistically be considered absolutely top drawer in both.
5% of the best ever players succeeded in management. That's not a pool clubs should be dipping into.