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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 04, 2021, 09:38:43 AM »
11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

What about the all Ireland final in 2018

2018 was strange as no one expected anything other than a Dublin win. Ironically tyrone done very well for the first 15 mins but once Dublin for the goal around the 20 min mark it was game over. I still have the image of tryone being down by about 4-6 points in the 2nd half with all Tyrone players in their own half bar Colm Cavanagh standing on the half way line willing tyrone to push forward to no avail.

The game changed on a poor kickout from Morgan. Dublin goaled and the match was over. That's the reality, one mistake and you are finished.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 05:12:59 PM »
We already have tiers it's called the league. Make the league more important and use the championship as it should be a knock out cup competition whereby underdog stories aren't confined to history.

More League to Summer, Give Sam to the winners.
The solution is staring us in the face if only we'd embrace it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 04:35:56 PM »
Are you from Louth?

Or are you just trying to guess what it would feel like?

Yeah I didn't write it correctly..

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 04:35:22 PM »
We need 3 tiers. Elite, Improving and Muck. 3 Champos. If I was from Louth and Mickey Harte won a Muck Championship with us, I would be delighted.
Wouldn't quite put it like that, but you see how in LGFA and Camogie a championship win for Intermediate and Junior Counties with a move up next year motivates the teams. Its like the old days when a club is in the middle of division 2 and persists in entering the Senior Championship as they've always been a senior team, albeit they only won it once 30 years ago. Sometimes decisions have to be taken out of the hands of players and county officials for the good of the game.

It was tongue n cheek. But I agree I think we need 3 levels.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 02:30:42 PM »
We need 3 tiers. Elite, Improving and Muck. 3 Champos. If I was from Louth and Mickey Harte won a Muck Championship with us, I would be delighted.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: August 03, 2021, 02:25:30 PM »
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.

 

 

McCurry without a doubt gets on in current form. One of the top 3 forwards this year in the championship. Donnelly most likely as well.

McCurry has raw ability, no doubt, but I am not totally convinced by him in the big games at the highest level although he is Tyrone's biggest scoring threat. A 2019 Cathal McShane or a fit Darragh Canavan would make a huge difference to their forward line but Dooher and Logan can only deal with the hand that they've been dealt with. Mattie Donnelly has had 2 good halves of football in each of the last 2 games and has been a fantastic footballer for a decade or so now but whether he is still at the same level of a few years back, I'm not sure.

This Kerry forward line is dynamite and they have another 3 on the bench ready to come on in the last quarter as well.     
Iím just going on this year. McCurry starts, for me no questions. Iíd also have Mattie in there as well. Depending on what you want the forwards to do cases could be made for others. Tyrone wonít play with 6 sharp shooters. They have players like Meyler, McGeary who will turn over ball. Itís not just scoring. Iím leaving McShand out of it as current form heís not going to displace anyone.

I think McCurry will get an All Star.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 12:35:06 PM »
Weaker football Counties and the reason
Hurling -Wexford, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare,  Limerick,  Waterford /
Population Fermanagh *, Leitrim,  Longford, Carlow.
Tipp and Clare pinching above their weights recently, as did Wexfird and Limerick some years ago.
Overseas London.
No excuse Antrim,  Louth Wicklow.

* 48% of population not interested.

Some posters here seem to have the gift of prophecy!

Tipperary, Clare,  Limerick,  Waterford also victims of Kerry
Soccer relevant in Longford, Sligo, Wicklow , Louth etc
Antrim never got over the Troubles.

I don't understand this. Please explain. Are they still fighting the troubles 23 years on?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 12:00:26 PM »
Iím sure Iíve mentioned it before on this thread. But to go again.

The league offers team natural progression and (mostly) a relevant standard of football.

A championship cannot do this. No matter how you dress it up, for the smaller and weaker counties, the reaper will swing his scythe before it gets interesting.

We do not need 32 counties in the AISF Championship. 16 would be plenty. And the league should be used to determine which 16.

But more importantly we do NOT need a Championship for the bottom 16 teams. For the simple reason that these players can all return immediately to club football, and many, many of them will.

 Which means that any ďintermediateĒ county success will always be tarnished by the fact that itíll be a competition in which a lot counties/players have no desire to compete. Everyone will know this and it will have a knock on effect of diluting its integrity further and further each year. That doesnít mean that it wouldnít produce a sprinkling of success stories and happy memories. But ultimately, so does club football - which often time would be better attended, higher profile and more competitive.

How can I be so confident about this?

Itís simple enough. History. The problems with AI B championships and Tommy Murphy cups was never marketing, and always player interest. The lure of playing competitive top flight club football is simply too strong compared to the lure of playing lower rung county football.

People need to stop making fantasy stories in their head about how Louth or Antrimís footballers will do anything for a day out in Croke Park, and realise that the drive to play football comes from competition, not venues.

A lot of counties don't deserve to be in the same competition as the top teams. Antrim are a good example a team that fails to field a team in same jersey. These so called weaker counties are only weak because they are run by imbeciles. Get their house in order and then worry about trying to win a football match.

Surely population and money play a big part

Does it? Antrim and Derry have a bigger population that Tyrone yet they are nowhere. Two counties who should really look at themselves and wonder what the f**k they are at.

Thats because soccer is the game of choice in larges swathes of those areas. I wouldnt say Derry are nowhere. Footballers got promoted/won league and pushed DL to a point. Hurlers got to CR final. Minor footballers are AI champs 2020. The U17 hurlers won 3rd Celtic Challenge in a rown and u20 hurlers are in AI B final this Wednesday. Better balanced than Tyrone

Yes Derry are up to Div 2 and should be pushing for promotion next year and Minors did well, but it wasn't that long ago they were Div 4 which was a disgrace.
Tyrone have a lot of work to do in Hurling, but I'm not standing here saying they should be in Liam McCarthy competition which is the argument some are making for Antrim.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 11:17:34 AM »
Iím sure Iíve mentioned it before on this thread. But to go again.

The league offers team natural progression and (mostly) a relevant standard of football.

A championship cannot do this. No matter how you dress it up, for the smaller and weaker counties, the reaper will swing his scythe before it gets interesting.

We do not need 32 counties in the AISF Championship. 16 would be plenty. And the league should be used to determine which 16.

But more importantly we do NOT need a Championship for the bottom 16 teams. For the simple reason that these players can all return immediately to club football, and many, many of them will.

 Which means that any ďintermediateĒ county success will always be tarnished by the fact that itíll be a competition in which a lot counties/players have no desire to compete. Everyone will know this and it will have a knock on effect of diluting its integrity further and further each year. That doesnít mean that it wouldnít produce a sprinkling of success stories and happy memories. But ultimately, so does club football - which often time would be better attended, higher profile and more competitive.

How can I be so confident about this?

Itís simple enough. History. The problems with AI B championships and Tommy Murphy cups was never marketing, and always player interest. The lure of playing competitive top flight club football is simply too strong compared to the lure of playing lower rung county football.

People need to stop making fantasy stories in their head about how Louth or Antrimís footballers will do anything for a day out in Croke Park, and realise that the drive to play football comes from competition, not venues.

A lot of counties don't deserve to be in the same competition as the top teams. Antrim are a good example a team that fails to field a team in same jersey. These so called weaker counties are only weak because they are run by imbeciles. Get their house in order and then worry about trying to win a football match.

Surely population and money play a big part

Does it? Antrim and Derry have a bigger population that Tyrone yet they are nowhere. Two counties who should really look at themselves and wonder what the f**k they are at.

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General discussion / Re: Lions Tour
« on: August 03, 2021, 11:15:38 AM »
I actually agree that top level rugby can't go on as is, as much as I love watching it, it is shocking brutal, some of the hits are wince inducing and dangerous (the legal ones). Turning pro could be responsible for killing it long term. (But then again I look at hurlers nowadays and think how can this sport keep moving forward when you've now got 2 X 15 sets of players at 6ft 2+ and 16 st and not a dermy to be seen).

An easy solution would be to reduce the number of Subs. We often see front rows completely changed in a game. Reduce the sub option and those players need to become fitter and leaner to survive the 80 mins. Leaner and in theory lighter players would hopefully reduce the force of the collisions. Rugby does recognise the problem, at least internally anyway. But the rule changes etc are simply window dressing. More drastic changes are needed.

There's always rugby league if that's the direction you want to see rugby go, but it doesn't reduce the collisions involved. Heard a former pro talking about the amount of pain killers involved with the sport, union is the same too. I never really got into league, maybe it's because I had no natural team to support in it, but I always found it very repetitive.

I have found I have watched less and less union over the last few years too for all the reasons mentioned here. I thought it peaked around 10 years ago but hasn't been as good to watch since.

The size of players who now play on the wing or centres is dramatically different even in 10 years. A lot of them would've played in the pack 20 or 30 years ago such is their size.
I definitely think adjusting the game so players are lighter or fitter would be a good starting point. Probably not the magic solution but coupled with these changes we see around the tackle it might make a change.
Society is changing, it's only a matter of time until heading in soccer is severely reduced or banned outright at least at amateur level anyway. Rugby will be no different. When ex players start to talk about the effects it's pretty shocking and I don't doubt it was a factor in CJ Stander retiring when he did.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 03, 2021, 11:07:28 AM »
Iím sure Iíve mentioned it before on this thread. But to go again.

The league offers team natural progression and (mostly) a relevant standard of football.

A championship cannot do this. No matter how you dress it up, for the smaller and weaker counties, the reaper will swing his scythe before it gets interesting.

We do not need 32 counties in the AISF Championship. 16 would be plenty. And the league should be used to determine which 16.

But more importantly we do NOT need a Championship for the bottom 16 teams. For the simple reason that these players can all return immediately to club football, and many, many of them will.

 Which means that any ďintermediateĒ county success will always be tarnished by the fact that itíll be a competition in which a lot counties/players have no desire to compete. Everyone will know this and it will have a knock on effect of diluting its integrity further and further each year. That doesnít mean that it wouldnít produce a sprinkling of success stories and happy memories. But ultimately, so does club football - which often time would be better attended, higher profile and more competitive.

How can I be so confident about this?

Itís simple enough. History. The problems with AI B championships and Tommy Murphy cups was never marketing, and always player interest. The lure of playing competitive top flight club football is simply too strong compared to the lure of playing lower rung county football.

People need to stop making fantasy stories in their head about how Louth or Antrimís footballers will do anything for a day out in Croke Park, and realise that the drive to play football comes from competition, not venues.

A lot of counties don't deserve to be in the same competition as the top teams. Antrim are a good example a team that fails to field a team in same jersey. These so called weaker counties are only weak because they are run by imbeciles. Get their house in order and then worry about trying to win a football match.

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: August 03, 2021, 11:01:54 AM »
I never rated Hart - ever, even when he was flavour of the month I always thought he was kat and couldn't see what the English media were seeing. Having said all that I still think he's worth a punt as Celtic's crop of keepers are crap.

Hart is shite and he'll have his work cut out a Celtic. He'll put his back out from constantly picking the ball out of the net.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: August 03, 2021, 10:18:23 AM »
This is perfect for Tyrone. It is a free cut at Kerry. No one expects them to get within 10 points of them. They have nothing to lose. This Tyrone team is committed and they'll be smarting from the chastening experience in Kerry earlier this year. Kerry will probably win but I don't think they'll have it all their own way either. I am looking forward to it.

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: August 03, 2021, 08:57:33 AM »
Joe Hart has signed for Celtic. If he gets back to the form of 3 or 4 years ago he would be a good signing as number 1 for Celtic.

He could play blindfolded and is an improvement on Barkas

Great to see Hart show real ambition and move to a massive club with a chance of winning trophies. Too many players in his position are happy to sit in epl sides picking up big wages and not playing. if he can get back to somewhere near his best this will be a great move for Celtic and Hart also.

Hart wasn't even going to get to warm the bench in the EPL so the move to Glasgow was about right for where he's at in his career.

He could do a job for Celtic

15k a week apparently. Some fall, he was England's first choice keeper now can't get a team to take him.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: August 02, 2021, 09:55:15 PM »
Look at the pathetic coverage of the three hurling finals this weekend.
That is where a Tier 2 football competition will end up.

Mayo hurlers won at the weekend. How many people travelled down to that compared to the footballers?

The level of coverage was comparable to the level of interest to those teams.

How much coverage did the Wicklow, Waterford, Antrim footballers for example get on the Sunday Game for their games this season?

People claiming lack of media coverage for 2nd tier competitions seem to ignore smaller counties are more or less ignored as it is. At least if they got to a 2tier final they'd actually get some national coverage in the papers/tv

I was in Croke park for Tyrone v Mayo and I didnít even watch it, yet some people want a full Sunday game analysis on it for the 6 people whoíd tune in.

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