David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?

Started by CumminsCiderLarry, June 03, 2018, 11:11:35 AM

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Wildweasel74

Maurice Fitz played on poor Kerry Teams for 10yrs, was it his fault the rest round him weren't up to his standards

yellowcard

Great piece of composure but the defending for that goal was shocking for inter county level.

From the Bunker

Quote from: yellowcard on May 15, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Great piece of composure but the defending for that goal was shocking for inter county level.

Yeah, it's a good goal. But there has to be context. Scoring a goal against an already humiliated defence?

screenexile

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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 15, 2021, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 15, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Great piece of composure but the defending for that goal was shocking for inter county level.

Yeah, it's a good goal. But there has to be context. Scoring a goal against an already humiliated defence?

What about the context of scoring 3-6 against a top 5 team?? By any metric Galway are one of the top 5 teams in the country so it's pretty impressive overall, he is class.

Will be interesting to see how this translates to the championship but he is probably the best forward on the country right now.

Hound

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2021, 06:26:32 PM
Maurice Fitz played on poor Kerry Teams for 10yrs, was it his fault the rest round him weren't up to his standards
It was a Kerry poster who brought up medals. What 'greatpoint' rightly said was that Clifford was poor against Cork last year. He was far from the only one, but his uncharacteristic multiple misses effectively cost Kerry a spot in the All Ireland semi final. Scoring 3-6 in a league game against a shambolic Galway team doesn't make up for that. Putting Cork to the sword this year and then playing well in All Ireland semi is required.

All young players will have bad games, but Clifford is an extreme talent and I'm sure he'll win multiple all stars and medals. His after match interview also showed he's completely filled out now, an impressive specimen!

Tubberman

Quote from: screenexile on May 16, 2021, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 15, 2021, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 15, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Great piece of composure but the defending for that goal was shocking for inter county level.

Yeah, it's a good goal. But there has to be context. Scoring a goal against an already humiliated defence?

What about the context of scoring 3-6 against a top 5 team?? By any metric Galway are one of the top 5 teams in the country so it's pretty impressive overall, he is class.

Will be interesting to see how this translates to the championship but he is probably the best forward on the country right now.

By any metric? They haven't won a game since pre Covid and have been hammered in several. Time to review your metrics.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."


macker15

Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on June 03, 2018, 11:11:35 AM
David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have a great underage record like DC. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time and beat his scoring record?I predict today we see the start of one of the all time greats and should score 2-6 against Clare today.Sean O'Shea will also be better player than Declan O'Sullivan.

Would have Clifford ahead of Mikey Sheehy, Matt Connor, Peter
Canavan , Gooch , Maurice Fitz and Pat Spillane who greatest forwards in fame.

From the Bunker

He has no Senior AI. Until he wins one he is just another inter-county football player.

Rossfan

Team game.
John Divilly has one or maybe even 2 AI medals.
Ciarán McDonald hasn't any.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

yellowcard

Quote from: macker15 on June 12, 2021, 08:24:22 AM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on June 03, 2018, 11:11:35 AM
David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have a great underage record like DC. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time and beat his scoring record?I predict today we see the start of one of the all time greats and should score 2-6 against Clare today.Sean O'Shea will also be better player than Declan O'Sullivan.

Would have Clifford ahead of Mikey Sheehy, Matt Connor, Peter
Canavan , Gooch , Maurice Fitz and Pat Spillane who greatest forwards in fame.

He has played only a couple of seasons of inter county football so you can't make that judgement until he finishes his career. Let's wait until the end of this summer to see where he sits relative to other top current forwards first of all before making assertions that he is the greatest ever. There is a rush to go over the top with the superlatives with a new talent but he will be judged on championship performances in big games not regulation league matches.

Last year it didn't work out largely through no fault of his own but If be surprised if Kerry don't get to at least an AI semi final this year do he will have a chance to show if he has gone up a level.

greatpoint

What's with the rush to declare him the best player of all time when he hasn't done nearly enough to be considered as such?

From the Bunker

Quote from: Rossfan on June 12, 2021, 11:10:45 AM
Team game.
John Divilly has one or maybe even 2 AI medals.
Ciarán McDonald hasn't any.

Gaelic footballers are measured on AI medals. It's a snobbery thing, usually measured by counties who win AI's.

CK_Redhand

The flick off the ground to assist burns point there was sublime