Odds 6/5/21
Limerick 5/4
Galway 5/1
Tipp 11/2
KK 9/1
Cork 12/1
Deise 14/1
Clare 20/1
Wex 22/1
Dublin 50/1
Laois 1000/1
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/liam-griffin-hopeful-wexford-are-getting-closer-to-the-heady-heights-of-1996-1.4548101
Liam Griffin hopeful Wexford are getting closer to the heady heights of 1996
Former Model County manager believes cynical fouling needs to be cracked down on
Seán Moran
Liam Griffin is in characteristically good form. He's had a knee replacement operation and that is settling nicely.
"It's like Ned Wheeler said to me when he got his hip done. He said it's that good that although there's nothing wrong with the other one, he'd get it done anyway!"
His Laochra Gael programme is the last one in the current series and he is aware of the timing for Wexford hurling: 26 years since the glorious summer of 1996 when the future was one of endless possibility - just two years shorter than the gap that team closed all the way back to 1968, which seemed like an eternity.
Did he think that it would be this long again?
"No, not in my wildest dreams did I think that. For me, I thought that after '96 we would kick on. Maybe it wasn't realistic when you look back on it because we had some of the really good players who were already in their early 30s.
"So, we probably didn't dwell on that an awful lot, or enough really, but it is disappointing. A son of mine, Rory, he actually wrote a study on Wexford hurling, and earlier this year he sent me it, 'it won't be long now till 28 years,' - that's all he put on it."
He believes that prospects are better for Wexford now than in 1996 because the county is better geared towards player development. New county chair Micheál Martin has done a lot of work at Croke Park level to untangle the knots at underage levels nationally.
"So hopefully we are going to get up there. Hurling needs Wexford and I really believe that. And we need Offaly. We need everybody but hurling certainly needs Wexford."
Unlikely
Is it possible that someone could emulate Griffin's achievement by bringing a team from effectively nowhere to winning an All-Ireland?
"Unlikely I would say," he replies. "We worked a lot on sports science. We went through the whole year without having a pulled muscle. We worked very carefully on what we tried to do because we were not Brian Cody and Kilkenny, we did not have the riches they have.
"We put in a good system. Everyone was fit and we did a whole list of things to see if we could bridge the gap. We wrote down things that we could do. Why couldn't we be the fittest team in Ireland? Why couldn't we be the best hookers and blockers in Ireland? Why couldn't we do all the heavy lifting and workman-like team? Why couldn't we be the most disciplined team in Ireland?
"We put a lot of effort into getting that right and we brought in a sports psychologist as well because I was trying to do that and obviously I am not a professional. We tried to give ourselves every chance but if you did that today you would be matched by other people who are doing exactly the same."
The game has also changed, he says, ". . . possession has become paramount. A lot of the hurling is very good, I'm not saying it's not - I wouldn't have minded playing in this era myself - but the cynical fouling is an issue.
"It is not good enough because in 2019 the All-Ireland was 26 matches and the teams that won the most, fouled the most and that is just an underlying symptom of cynical fouling.
"The scrums, the rucks, ground hurling going out of the game - it's evolved. Some of it is very good and some of it is not so good as a spectacle but overall the players are good, the skills are good. The absence of goals is an issue and takes a bit of excitement out of the game.
"Some of the shooting is spectacularly good, but having an extra man means a lot of loose play as well. You have loose men popping up in places, as happened in the All-Ireland final last year."
Volunteers
He has plenty to say on other topical issues. An early backer of the Club Players' Association, he is content that their work as a lobby group 'to fix the fixtures' is now done - with a little help from the pandemic.
"We were completely volunteers. We weren't looking for anything except to get the fixtures fixed. That was it. But for Covid it wouldn't have happened in my opinion. We would have written to every county board at one stage, every single county board to say this is what we're trying to do. We never got a single reply. Not one. That was disappointing.
"There's no triumphalism from anyone on our side. That's it and we walked away when we said we would - when the fixtures were fixed."
A successful hotelier and businessman, he is adamant that the GAA need to deploy their huge asset base to raise funds by borrowing.
"What I don't want to see is that we're trying very hard in Wexford to keep a very good structure at underage and letting coaches go when you could borrow money and do some sort of a deal on it. I think that would be to undermine the game when it's already being undermined. You don't do a double undermining - that's not a great management policy!"
*Liam Griffin will feature in the sixth and final episode of the latest Laochra Gael series, on TG4 this Thursday at 9.30 pm.
Had the pleasure of his company a few times and he's always a good listen, passionate but intelligent with it.
One of our coaches managed to get himself on a Limerick hurling coaching webinar a couple of months ago and they have tackling and overturning the opposition a big part of their game so the flip-side of that is that frees will be conceded but they obviously think the gain is worth it.
Shoulder charges are a no, no as mistimed ones lead to red cards. They are more into the arm tackles, slow the man down till the cavalry arrives, which IMO are fouls all day long but referee's aren't blowing them as they'll be seen to not letting the game flow. The game isn't flowing anyway with this going on.
It's not just Limerick to be fair, Kilkenny were/are masters of the half foul, whereas the Clare lads are still inclined to throw out the old fashioned belt with the hurl :D
As for Wexford, they've some great attacking hurlers but the way Davy lines them out they're looking to win by a deluge of long range points rather than feed balls into the forwards like Limerick do and last year they were truly flat. It'll be interesting if they show a kick or not this year.
Davy's teams burn fast and die off quick. He may have won a Leinster with them and that might be his lot..
I would have a funny feeling Wexford have peaked with him. Just a feeling but like you say he burns them out.
This is very good
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0509/1217922-cusack-new-advantage-rule-needs-to-go-asap/
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
This is very good
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0509/1217922-cusack-new-advantage-rule-needs-to-go-asap/
Don't see why the felt the need to change the advantage rule out the field. Being fouled in the tackle yet still riding it out and maintain possession only for a referee to blow the foul will have two outcomes. We'll have free takers coming way out the field to pop the ball over the bar from 80 plus meters. You'll have teams fouling if they lose possession to allow their defence time to get set.
The games over the weekend weren't great barring maybe the Cork/Waterford game and Antrim/Clare with freetaking fests for Tipp and Limerick. I think Tipp didn't score from play for almost 20 minutes FFS.
hurling is gone so tippy tappy
only the top few teams are good enough to do it.
much better to let the ball in early to a bit of space and give a forward a chance.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 10, 2021, 03:00:10 PM
hurling is gone so tippy tappy
only the top few teams are good enough to do it.
much better to let the ball in early to a bit of space and give a forward a chance.
Top teams don't leave much space for forwards to operate in, hence the long range points fests we're currently experiencing.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 10, 2021, 03:00:10 PM
hurling is gone so tippy tappy
only the top few teams are good enough to do it.
much better to let the ball in early to a bit of space and give a forward a chance.
You cant please everyone. Is that not hit and hope hurling that constantly gets berated around here?
Somehow I preferred it too.!
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 10, 2021, 03:00:10 PM
hurling is gone so tippy tappy
only the top few teams are good enough to do it.
much better to let the ball in early to a bit of space and give a forward a chance.
You cant please everyone. Is that not hit and hope hurling that constantly gets berated around here?
Somehow I preferred it too.!
Never said hit and hope.
You need intelligent delivery into forwards
I see clubs trying to play this over complicated hurling. Not every panel has the players capable of it
Corks opening goal was a well work team effort which ran at the Waterford defence, runners coming off the shoulder and laying the ball either handpass or stick pass to the person in the better position to score, I don't see the problem with players playing to the rules and adopting their game and style of players to make it suit.
Not every team can win its own balls or spread it wide to the wings, possession is key nowadays and like basketball should you loose possession in your own half and the ball is turned over it will probably result in a score for the other team.
Cork were very good at the weekend so it'll be interesting to see how well they fair against the other big teams, Donal O'Grady back with Cork, seen him in the stands
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 12, 2021, 02:39:40 PM
Corks opening goal was a well work team effort which ran at the Waterford defence, runners coming off the shoulder and laying the ball either handpass or stick pass to the person in the better position to score, I don't see the problem with players playing to the rules and adopting their game and style of players to make it suit.
Not every team can win its own balls or spread it wide to the wings, possession is key nowadays and like basketball should you loose possession in your own half and the ball is turned over it will probably result in a score for the other team.
Cork were very good at the weekend so it'll be interesting to see how well they fair against the other big teams, Donal O'Grady back with Cork, seen him in the stands
Well worked goal indeed but the Waterford defence was pretty generous as I think there were only two defenders inside the 20M line when Cork scored..
Limerick won't let them get that far, but we need a competitive Cork to throw into the mix to spruce it up a bit
Lehane and a few others let go and probably still in their prime, Kingston setting his stall out..
I noticed some very high points tallies from last night's Antrim League results, along with high scores from the National Leagues.
The Mayo keeper put one over the Derry bar from his own 14 metre line.
This very high scoring has been a feature of the game this past few years.
Have the sliotars become lighter or has the interior material changed to make the ball travel further?
I know there was a change to the weight/structure of the ball 15/20 years ago and there were calls to revert to the older ball. DJ Carey and the likes weren't too happy with the new ball at that time.
Not sure if this a good thing. I think the days of the 1-7 to 0-10 results are long gone.
When we had 1-7 to 10 people were complaining about the standard of hurling. The ball maybbe lighter but the payers are fitter and the hurleys are now much larger than before. The origin of hurley design was for ground hurling. Now that thats gone you wonder what kind of hurley will be used in 30 years time. Will they look more like tennis rackets than hurleys? For starters I wish they would implement the bos size regulations that I believe is documented somewhere. Doesnt Golf have a whole range of regulations for golf clubs.
Quote from: didlyi on May 15, 2021, 12:46:06 PM
When we had 1-7 to 10 people were complaining about the standard of hurling. The ball maybbe lighter but the payers are fitter and the hurleys are now much larger than before. The origin of hurley design was for ground hurling. Now that thats gone you wonder what kind of hurley will be used in 30 years time. Will they look more like tennis rackets than hurleys? For starters I wish they would implement the bos size regulations that I believe is documented somewhere. Doesnt Golf have a whole range of regulations for golf clubs.
Im pretty sure there is bos size regulation, is it being implemented/checked? No.
But tennis size will not be brought it, the sport has had a few changes, not much wrong with it other than ones trying to ruin it by making daft changes
No its not being checked. Why not?
It's only the League but a tidy win over Limerick for Galway.
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It's only the League but a tidy win over Limerick for Galway.
Didn't looked too pushed either.
Quote from: didlyi on May 15, 2021, 07:13:58 PM
No its not being checked. Why not?
Who should check it?
Start with the hurley makers and let the gaa do random checks. Would Ping or titleist make oversized golf clubs if they were illegal? It would not a difficult thing to regulate if there was a will.
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Quote from: didlyi on May 15, 2021, 07:13:58 PM
No its not being checked. Why not?
Who should check it?
Sure they can't even check that faceguards haven't been tampered with, bars removed etc etc and that's a health and safety issue!
Lost count of the number of lads on TV over the weekend with illegal face guards.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/evan-niland-the-star-as-galway-end-limerick-s-unbeaten-run-1.4566848
That Niland was given so many chances to do damage incensed Limerick manager John Kiely, who had protested the number of frees awarded in the opening match against Tipperary and again this weekend he was unhappy with a free count that broke nearly two to one against his side.
"It does appear that the game has changed in the last four months whilst we've all been at home and somebody has decided to take the tackle out of the game. I'd love to know who they were and when that was decided.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/evan-niland-the-star-as-galway-end-limerick-s-unbeaten-run-1.4566848
That Niland was given so many chances to do damage incensed Limerick manager John Kiely, who had protested the number of frees awarded in the opening match against Tipperary and again this weekend he was unhappy with a free count that broke nearly two to one against his side.
"It does appear that the game has changed in the last four months whilst we've all been at home and somebody has decided to take the tackle out of the game. I'd love to know who they were and when that was decided.
Tackle in one thing and is still there, but throwing your arms around an opponent should always have been a free and if they start refereeing that properly it'll be a positive for the game.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/evan-niland-the-star-as-galway-end-limerick-s-unbeaten-run-1.4566848
That Niland was given so many chances to do damage incensed Limerick manager John Kiely, who had protested the number of frees awarded in the opening match against Tipperary and again this weekend he was unhappy with a free count that broke nearly two to one against his side.
"It does appear that the game has changed in the last four months whilst we've all been at home and somebody has decided to take the tackle out of the game. I'd love to know who they were and when that was decided.
Tackle in one thing and is still there, but throwing your arms around an opponent should always have been a free and if they start refereeing that properly it'll be a positive for the game.
Play on the edge, they need to rein in some of their tackles and they'll be fine
There seems to be a media campaign starting up against Limerick in the last few weeks.
We nearly should have expected what happened with the ref yesterday.
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That Niland was given so many chances to do damage incensed Limerick manager John Kiely, who had protested the number of frees awarded in the opening match against Tipperary and again this weekend he was unhappy with a free count that broke nearly two to one against his side.
"It does appear that the game has changed in the last four months whilst we've all been at home and somebody has decided to take the tackle out of the game. I'd love to know who they were and when that was decided.
Tackle in one thing and is still there, but throwing your arms around an opponent should always have been a free and if they start refereeing that properly it'll be a positive for the game.
Play on the edge, they need to rein in some of their tackles and they'll be fine
Like the great Kilkenny team before them they also played on the edge and heck beyond it as well but the Kilkenny lads had a better media game pushing the manly game and let it flow.
If Tommy Walsh is breaking the hurl off a Wexford lads leg whose just after getting the run on him, it's a red even if it is Tommy Walsh. Ger Hegarty wallops Joe Canning in the back, nowhere near hooking or block him, it's a red.
I'm not anti Limerick, far from it as I'm glad they've arrived on the scene in a big way, but last weekend one of the Tipp midfielders went on a run and was being fairly harried by three Limerick lads only for one to chop down over the lads shoulder, nowhere near the ball. He'd no need to do it as the Tipp lad had run out of road.
I'd expect Kiely and Kinnerk to fine tune their tackling technique as they're not stupid men..
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Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2021, 09:03:41 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/evan-niland-the-star-as-galway-end-limerick-s-unbeaten-run-1.4566848
That Niland was given so many chances to do damage incensed Limerick manager John Kiely, who had protested the number of frees awarded in the opening match against Tipperary and again this weekend he was unhappy with a free count that broke nearly two to one against his side.
"It does appear that the game has changed in the last four months whilst we've all been at home and somebody has decided to take the tackle out of the game. I'd love to know who they were and when that was decided.
Tackle in one thing and is still there, but throwing your arms around an opponent should always have been a free and if they start refereeing that properly it'll be a positive for the game.
Play on the edge, they need to rein in some of their tackles and they'll be fine
Like the great Kilkenny team before them they also played on the edge and heck beyond it as well but the Kilkenny lads had a better media game pushing the manly game and let it flow.
If Tommy Walsh is breaking the hurl off a Wexford lads leg whose just after getting the run on him, it's a red even if it is Tommy Walsh. Ger Hegarty wallops Joe Canning in the back, nowhere near hooking or block him, it's a red.
I'm not anti Limerick, far from it as I'm glad they've arrived on the scene in a big way, but last weekend one of the Tipp midfielders went on a run and was being fairly harried by three Limerick lads only for one to chop down over the lads shoulder, nowhere near the ball. He'd no need to do it as the Tipp lad had run out of road.
I'd expect Kiely and Kinnerk to fine tune their tackling technique as they're not stupid men..
At the highest level freetaking is an art and will punish regular fouling
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Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2021, 09:03:41 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/evan-niland-the-star-as-galway-end-limerick-s-unbeaten-run-1.4566848
That Niland was given so many chances to do damage incensed Limerick manager John Kiely, who had protested the number of frees awarded in the opening match against Tipperary and again this weekend he was unhappy with a free count that broke nearly two to one against his side.
"It does appear that the game has changed in the last four months whilst we've all been at home and somebody has decided to take the tackle out of the game. I'd love to know who they were and when that was decided.
Tackle in one thing and is still there, but throwing your arms around an opponent should always have been a free and if they start refereeing that properly it'll be a positive for the game.
Play on the edge, they need to rein in some of their tackles and they'll be fine
Like the great Kilkenny team before them they also played on the edge and heck beyond it as well but the Kilkenny lads had a better media game pushing the manly game and let it flow.
If Tommy Walsh is breaking the hurl off a Wexford lads leg whose just after getting the run on him, it's a red even if it is Tommy Walsh. Ger Hegarty wallops Joe Canning in the back, nowhere near hooking or block him, it's a red.
I'm not anti Limerick, far from it as I'm glad they've arrived on the scene in a big way, but last weekend one of the Tipp midfielders went on a run and was being fairly harried by three Limerick lads only for one to chop down over the lads shoulder, nowhere near the ball. He'd no need to do it as the Tipp lad had run out of road.
I'd expect Kiely and Kinnerk to fine tune their tackling technique as they're not stupid men..
At the highest level freetaking is an art and will punish regular fouling
It is and it may well be Limericks downfall if they don't address it.
It's not always the referees fault that the game is stop start.
Its never the referee's fault ;D
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Quote from: didlyi on May 15, 2021, 07:13:58 PM
No its not being checked. Why not?
Who should check it?
Sure they can't even check that faceguards haven't been tampered with, bars removed etc etc and that's a health and safety issue!
Lost count of the number of lads on TV over the weekend with illegal face guards.
Point taken but if you can tamper with the dimensions of a made hurl then fair play to you. As I said if theres a will....
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Quote from: didlyi on May 15, 2021, 07:13:58 PM
No its not being checked. Why not?
Who should check it?
Sure they can't even check that faceguards haven't been tampered with, bars removed etc etc and that's a health and safety issue!
Lost count of the number of lads on TV over the weekend with illegal face guards.
Point taken but if you can tamper with the dimensions of a made hurl then fair play to you. As I said if theres a will....
to a point. Most lads will have done a bit of experimenting with hurls of some sort but the big bas hurls the O'Connors of Cork used to make haven't really taken off to any great extent. Some lads have them but a lot have their traditional style hurls, maybe a bit shorter to get a shot off in a crowd but nothing untoward.
The sliotars, though really need changed.
Changing the sliothars is a big move and I dont see the it happening. It will impact players at all grades and not all hurlers can drive balls over the bar from 30 metres not to talk of 80. We could have less goals and I would fear that a defensive game like football could result if too much weight was added to the ball. Apply the existing rules first!
Quote from: didlyi on May 17, 2021, 11:49:17 PM
Changing the sliothars is a big move and I dont see the it happening. It will impact players at all grades and not all hurlers can drive balls over the bar from 30 metres not to talk of 80. We could have less goals and I would fear that a defensive game like football could result if too much weight was added to the ball. Apply the existing rules first!
Losing count of the number of players putting over "amazing" points ( (c) Marty Morrisey) whilst standing on their own 45m line. striking the ball 90 to 100 metres, that's not just strength and conditioning..
But does deadening the ball play into the hands of sweepers and funnelling back!!
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2021, 08:58:06 AM
Quote from: didlyi on May 17, 2021, 11:49:17 PM
Changing the sliothars is a big move and I dont see the it happening. It will impact players at all grades and not all hurlers can drive balls over the bar from 30 metres not to talk of 80. We could have less goals and I would fear that a defensive game like football could result if too much weight was added to the ball. Apply the existing rules first!
Losing count of the number of players putting over "amazing" points ( (c) Marty Morrisey) whilst standing on their own 45m line. striking the ball 90 to 100 metres, that's not just strength and conditioning..
But does deadening the ball play into the hands of sweepers and funnelling back!!
What's the chances of having an 'old' silothar and a new one to compare? I just don't know if there is any difference to a siltothar from the mid 80's to now.
The players are just stronger and more accurate and better conditioned than we were back then, changing the size of the scoring zone would be the only real difference, deadening the ball will reduce it be what? 20 meters in flight?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2021, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2021, 08:58:06 AM
Quote from: didlyi on May 17, 2021, 11:49:17 PM
Changing the sliothars is a big move and I dont see the it happening. It will impact players at all grades and not all hurlers can drive balls over the bar from 30 metres not to talk of 80. We could have less goals and I would fear that a defensive game like football could result if too much weight was added to the ball. Apply the existing rules first!
Losing count of the number of players putting over "amazing" points ( (c) Marty Morrisey) whilst standing on their own 45m line. striking the ball 90 to 100 metres, that's not just strength and conditioning..
But does deadening the ball play into the hands of sweepers and funnelling back!!
What's the chances of having an 'old' silothar and a new one to compare? I just don't know if there is any difference to a siltothar from the mid 80's to now.
The players are just stronger and more accurate and better conditioned than we were back then, changing the size of the scoring zone would be the only real difference, deadening the ball will reduce it be what? 20 meters in flight?
I've some old sliothars with the proper leather and bigger rims, not the cork core ones either and I bet most would struggle with 80 metres. They'd break most modern hurls as well. The difference is like night and day.
Next time you're down I'll give you one. ;D
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2021, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2021, 08:58:06 AM
Quote from: didlyi on May 17, 2021, 11:49:17 PM
Changing the sliothars is a big move and I dont see the it happening. It will impact players at all grades and not all hurlers can drive balls over the bar from 30 metres not to talk of 80. We could have less goals and I would fear that a defensive game like football could result if too much weight was added to the ball. Apply the existing rules first!
Losing count of the number of players putting over "amazing" points ( (c) Marty Morrisey) whilst standing on their own 45m line. striking the ball 90 to 100 metres, that's not just strength and conditioning..
But does deadening the ball play into the hands of sweepers and funnelling back!!
What's the chances of having an 'old' silothar and a new one to compare? I just don't know if there is any difference to a siltothar from the mid 80's to now.
The players are just stronger and more accurate and better conditioned than we were back then, changing the size of the scoring zone would be the only real difference, deadening the ball will reduce it be what? 20 meters in flight?
I've some old sliothars with the proper leather and bigger rims, not the cork core ones either and I bet most would struggle with 80 metres. They'd break most modern hurls as well. The difference is like night and day.
Next time you're down I'll give you one. ;D
Flattered but I don't 'swing' that way ;D
Yeah they may be heavier and it will make for some cracking dropping balls into the box and the tussles in there will change the positioning of teams and how they set up, then there will be complaints about that..
People just complain because they are gurning bastards, they game is fine and manly ;)
Galway scored 4 goals versus the Déise.
#Jaysus
Limerick letting Cork know where they're actually at, Kilkenny not pulling up trees but ticking along nicely and Galway motoring well.
I think Tipp, Waterford, Cork are a slight level below but well able to pull out a surprise but the AI will be between Galway (if they don't f up before that) and Limerick..
Kilkenny always have a fighting chance with TJ in the team and Mullen is a good addition but still think the top two can put them away more often than not.
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
Galway racking up big scores against the lesser teams (not that Waterford are a lesser team) , Limerick don't go for goals, Cork always trying to engineer a goal, Antrim surprising some teams, Davy hasn't changed.
Waterford, just unsure of what their game plan is. Cork playing mind games with selections. Limerick defending has improved also. Dublin were not all that against Clare Tony Kelly. Antrim secured div1 for next year. Kilkenny still developing players but will rely on the older ones come championship, not sure they'll beat Galway
They really shouldn't have been beat by KK last year either though.
On another note Cody looking very gaunt in his interviews. He was never weighty but looks to have lost a load.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 04:46:23 PM
They really shouldn't have been beat by KK last year either though.
On another note Cody looking very gaunt in his interviews. He was never weighty but looks to have lost a load.
Well, he is over 70 now and he was never one to carry excess weight but, all the same, he has aged a lot lately.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 07, 2021, 09:17:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 04:46:23 PM
They really shouldn't have been beat by KK last year either though.
On another note Cody looking very gaunt in his interviews. He was never weighty but looks to have lost a load.
Well, he is over 70 now and he was never one to carry excess weight but, all the same, he has aged a lot lately.
He's 67 in a few weeks! Still, it's a young mans game. It takes loads of energy and mental resolve. It's also about the Management team you have around you.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 08, 2021, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 07, 2021, 09:17:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 04:46:23 PM
They really shouldn't have been beat by KK last year either though.
On another note Cody looking very gaunt in his interviews. He was never weighty but looks to have lost a load.
Well, he is over 70 now and he was never one to carry excess weight but, all the same, he has aged a lot lately.
He's 67 in a few weeks! Still, it's a young mans game. It takes loads of energy and mental resolve. It's also about the Management team you have around you.
He was three years behind me in St
Pats Drumcondra and I am 72.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 08, 2021, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 07, 2021, 09:17:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 04:46:23 PM
They really shouldn't have been beat by KK last year either though.
On another note Cody looking very gaunt in his interviews. He was never weighty but looks to have lost a load.
Well, he is over 70 now and he was never one to carry excess weight but, all the same, he has aged a lot lately.
He's 67 in a few weis eks! Still, it's a young mans game. It takes loads of energy and mental resolve. It's also about the Management team you have around you.
I guess I was wrong. I think I am getting senile. He was 5 years behind me.
Any which way he doesn't look as healthy as he used to.
Im surprised ye nordies wouldnt know his DOB,given the special place the date holds in all yere hearts
12/7/54
Hes currently 66.
Quote from: clonadmad on June 08, 2021, 01:06:59 PM
Im surprised ye nordies wouldnt know his DOB,given the special place the date holds in all yere hearts
12/7/54
Hes currently 66.
Surprised he wasn't called Billy down on Noreside after being born on the glorious 12th..
Quote from: clonadmad on June 08, 2021, 01:06:59 PM
Im surprised ye nordies wouldnt know his DOB,given the special place the date holds in all yere hearts
12/7/54
Hes currently 66.
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
In the past 10 years, Kilkenny won back to backs in 2011 and 2012 as well as 2014 and 2015. Only a fluke Clare win in 2013 prevented the mighty cats from doing the coveted 5 in a row.
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
In the past 10 years, Kilkenny won back to backs in 2011 and 2012 as well as 2014 and 2015. Only a fluke Clare win in 2013 prevented the mighty cats from doing the coveted 5 in a row.
Did Tipp not stop the drive for 5?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2021, 03:01:43 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
In the past 10 years, Kilkenny won back to backs in 2011 and 2012 as well as 2014 and 2015. Only a fluke Clare win in 2013 prevented the mighty cats from doing the coveted 5 in a row.
Did Tipp not stop the drive for 5?
That was in 2010. Kilkenny had won it the previous 4 years.
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
In the past 10 years, Kilkenny won back to backs in 2011 and 2012 as well as 2014 and 2015. Only a fluke Clare win in 2013 prevented the mighty cats from doing the coveted 5 in a row.
Not sure of your logic but going by that Clare prevented Kilkenny from winning 7 in a row but never actually beat Kilkenny...
Quote from: johnnycool on June 08, 2021, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
In the past 10 years, Kilkenny won back to backs in 2011 and 2012 as well as 2014 and 2015. Only a fluke Clare win in 2013 prevented the mighty cats from doing the coveted 5 in a row.
Not sure of your logic but going by that Clare prevented Kilkenny from winning 7 in a row but never actually beat Kilkenny...
Missing the point. What people seem to forget to do these days is look at the previous messages. I'm saying it's possible to do two in a row.
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 08, 2021, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
In the past 10 years, Kilkenny won back to backs in 2011 and 2012 as well as 2014 and 2015. Only a fluke Clare win in 2013 prevented the mighty cats from doing the coveted 5 in a row.
Not sure of your logic but going by that Clare prevented Kilkenny from winning 7 in a row but never actually beat Kilkenny...
Missing the point. What people seem to forget to do these days is look at the previous messages. I'm saying it's possible to do two in a row.
Back then there was a backdoor but not the round robin system of the last few years pre Covid.
Limerick may do a back to back this year due to the shortened championship but it'll get harder to do it again if the round robin gets re-introduced in 2022.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 08, 2021, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 08, 2021, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
That would be my take on it. Galway, for me, are probably the only team who could beat Limerick but they could get beat by others too.
Cork hadn't Horgan so there was a bit of shadow boxing there but still they are probably a bit away from Limerick levels.
KK probably a bit above the teams in 1B so haven't been pushed yet.
I don't know if Limerick can do back to back. It's very difficult these days
In the past 10 years, Kilkenny won back to backs in 2011 and 2012 as well as 2014 and 2015. Only a fluke Clare win in 2013 prevented the mighty cats from doing the coveted 5 in a row.
Not sure of your logic but going by that Clare prevented Kilkenny from winning 7 in a row but never actually beat Kilkenny...
Missing the point. What people seem to forget to do these days is look at the previous messages. I'm saying it's possible to do two in a row.
Back then there was a backdoor but not the round robin system of the last few years pre Covid.
Limerick may do a back to back this year due to the shortened championship but it'll get harder to do it again if the round robin gets re-introduced in 2022.
Limerick have a team for the ages and would win regardless. Do you think otherwise?
I think they're favourites but if they meet a fully fit and fresh Galway I think the result could go either way.
Galway made a balls of losing the Leinster final last year and ended up playing for three weeks on the bounce going into the Limerick semi-final, tiredness and injuries took their toll.
IMO obviously.
Seán Moran: Enforcing equipment rules a good starting point in hurling blitzkrieg
The width of the bas has continued to grow as scoring rates go through the roof
There we were in Galway last Sunday after the final whistle, shaken by the torrential shooting, which threw up a scoring attempt roughly every 50 seconds, and examining bits of paper with our hieroglyphics to see what we'd managed to record.
In response to one of the conventional, post-match topics of conversation, Micheál Clifford from the Daily Mail was first to offer an opinion. "My man of the match," he declared, "was the fella operating the scoreboard."
Not surprisingly, the Galway and Waterford managers were less concerned by the overall scoring rate than their own concession rate. But from a spectator's perspective, there may be such a thing as too much scoring and by extension too few contests, whether for actual possession or between defender and attacker.
Already scoring in this season's league is well outstripping last season in both of the Division 1 groups. After four series of fixtures among all but one of the same counties, the aggregate scoring is 67-1069 to 57-845, a difference of nearly half a goal and more than nine points per match.
The points average to date is 44.5, which maybe appears reasonable, around 0-22 apiece, but to give it context, there have been five All-Ireland finals in history that have exceeded 44.5 points in total and four were within the past seven years.
Prior to 2014, there was only one All-Ireland final that featured an aggregate of 0-45 or more. There is little a defence can do when a player finds himself some space within 80 or 90 metres of the posts.
There are other factors. Last season's league was played in the usual hideous January to March window and the weather would have been less sympathetic to scoring than this year's competition, particularly in the last couple of weeks, which has seen full-on championship weather but without the peak fitness.
None of this is earth shattering disclosure. It's been in development over the past decade.
Speaking at the launch of his broadcaster's championship coverage, Sky analyst James O'Connor made some interesting comments on scoring trends.
"Long term that is something that has to be a concern given the sweet spot on the hurley is getting better. As athletes, players are incredibly well-conditioned now. All of these factor into that."
A few years ago, a prominent intercounty player was asked in a convivial setting had he ever had anyone measure the bas on his hurley. He hadn't and no surprise there because the GAA has apparently abdicated responsibility for the regulation of equipment.
In part 2 of the Official Guide, rule 4.5 states: "The bas of the hurley at its widest shall not be more than 13 centimetres".
With an implicit policy of not enforcing this, the GAA has fed into the current situation. As O'Connor said, the sweet spot (optimum for striking) is now so much larger. One senior GAA official estimates that the width of the bas in some cases is now clocking in at around 18cm – nearly 40 per cent in excess of what's allowed.
That's a lot of additional – and irregular – firepower.
The length of a stick has never been regulated, for obvious reasons, but the old rule of thumb was that it should come up to more or less a player's hip, an average of around 36 or 37 inches (91 to 94cm). It is currently estimated that the new preference for shorter sticks has reduced to as little as 32 or 33 inches (81 to 84cm). That's a drop of 10 centimetres.
It's almost as if the stick has evolved to reflect what is effectively the extinction of both ground hurling and overhead striking.
If the regulations on the dimensions of a hurley are routinely overlooked, so too the restrictions on the hand pass. There is almost a gasp from the crowd – or whoever's in attendance – when a hand pass is whistled as a throw. The use of the holding hand even with a 'definite striking action' to pass the ball has led to irregularities largely being overlooked.
Former Tipperary All-Ireland winning full back Conor O'Donovan has proposed that a hand pass should have to be struck with the other hand, ie the one not holding the ball, which would make the execution a lot easier to adjudicate.
There has been a lot of focus on composition of the sliotar, to make it heavier and more difficult to strike long distances. This comes with a caveat from the experience of baseball, which this year decided to alter its ball to make home runs harder to hit and keep the ball in play a bit more.
This has come with unintended consequences, which have triggered much debate in the US as to whether it's having the desired effect and whether it's over-balanced the game in favour of pitchers.
The hardy perennial of increasing the value of a goal would be another possibility. Goals used to be the basic scoring currency, not surprisingly given the difficulty of striking the old ball with its weight and absorbability over long distances.
No team has scored six goals in an All-Ireland for the past 50 years. It happened eight times in the previous half century to 1921 and nine times in the preceding 25 years back to 1896 which was when the goal was assigned its current value of three points.
Over the same period, rugby has made several changes to its scoring system to encourage play in various directions. Given the facility with which points are now struck, is it proportionate that goals are still worth just three times as much – as opposed to say, five?
No one, let alone the conservative hurling constituency, wants there to be a constant conveyor belt of rule changes and it's likely the goal will retain its value for a while, whatever the evidence.
There are valid concerns about excessive scoring rates and allowing that the causes are multi-factorial why not start by enforcing the rules that are already there?
smoran@irishtimes.com
https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/martin-fogarty-systematic-fouling-is-ruining-hurling/?fbclid=IwAR1CDYXBmVG1BKqgDdEa5aksRzGwqs0n2aJZjQL93DkVYxi4xuKuRUHwnMY
Two very good articles there lads. The genie is out of the bottle now and I hope somethong will be done soon to tweak things. As Sean Moran says a good start would be applying the rules that exist first.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0614/1228053-canning-stop-criticising-hurling-and-enjoy-the-quality/
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 01:56:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0614/1228053-canning-stop-criticising-hurling-and-enjoy-the-quality/
Much being made of the rocks score back in 2005 but that was very much the exception and the reason it's still clear in our minds but now every team has four or five lads capable of landing points from their own 45 and it isn't all S&C.
There's something to be said about the rims alright as I had a look at some old balls and the rims are far prouder on them than the current balls meaning more aerodynamic lag.
I don't mind high scoring games in itself, its' the free takers trudging down the park into their own half that slows everything down and probably makes the games seem more stop start.
Referees are more inclined to let a lot of the "half" fouls go come championship so it'll be interesting how that goes in the first set of games in Munster and Leinster.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 16, 2021, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 01:56:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0614/1228053-canning-stop-criticising-hurling-and-enjoy-the-quality/
Much being made of the rocks score back in 2005 but that was very much the exception and the reason it's still clear in our minds but now every team has four or five lads capable of landing points from their own 45 and it isn't all S&C.
There's something to be said about the rims alright as I had a look at some old balls and the rims are far prouder on them than the current balls meaning more aerodynamic lag.
I don't mind high scoring games in itself, its' the free takers trudging down the park into their own half that slows everything down and probably makes the games seem more stop start.
Referees are more inclined to let a lot of the "half" fouls go come championship so it'll be interesting how that goes in the first set of games in Munster and Leinster.
The ref needs to judge it, half fouls should only be brought back if there's no advantage, I play advantage out from half back line, fouls in full back line, just call them straight, there's no advantage there.
I'm bored of listening to people complaining about the free count by the same token the pulling back the hand, jerseys being pulled, trying to slap the ball out of hand, wrapping hands around player, whoever is coaching that needs to look at what they are doing! It's hard enough without that crap fouling.
Funny you mentioned the difference of ref'ing during the league and come championship. It's so true
What is interesting now is that with the possible exception of Tipp it isn't the old firm teams that are driving the changes in the game.
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
What is interesting now is that with the possible exception of Tipp it isn't the old firm teams that are driving the changes in the game.
If Limerick keep racking up AI's then expect a "change" somewhere in the game.
A bit like "over physical" Clare in the mid 90's. Every committee room decision seemed to go against them.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/working-the-miracle-25-years-on-from-wexford-s-monumental-all-ireland-win-1.4597526
"He held up, at one stage, two letters from the same guy, ironically 12 months apart," recalls Larry Murphy. "One of them said: 'Liam Griffin, you're a disgrace. You've brought Wexford to a new low yadda yadda yadda.' 12 months later, it was: 'Liam Griffin, you're the messiah of Wexford hurling.'
Quote"We may get an outsider," he told Griffin.
That was all that was needed to drastically alter the path of Wexford hurling. Griffin was caught. The rest is history.
"Red rag to a bull and they knew that, I suppose. And I was true to my word and stood up to the plate. I didn't want an outsider to go in because in my own subconscious I must've felt what outsider was going to have the feel for this job.
Griffin mustn't have noticed an outsider called Cyril Farrell managing them in 1992.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 22, 2021, 05:35:21 PM
Quote"We may get an outsider," he told Griffin.
That was all that was needed to drastically alter the path of Wexford hurling. Griffin was caught. The rest is history.
"Red rag to a bull and they knew that, I suppose. And I was true to my word and stood up to the plate. I didn't want an outsider to go in because in my own subconscious I must've felt what outsider was going to have the feel for this job.
Griffin mustn't have noticed an outsider called Cyril Farrell managing them in 1992.
Maybe that didn't go swingingly and hence his reaction to the prospect of another outside manager...
Wonder who many outside managers have won AI's with their adopted counties.. Cregan is the only one I can think of.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 23, 2021, 08:37:26 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 22, 2021, 05:35:21 PM
Quote"We may get an outsider," he told Griffin.
That was all that was needed to drastically alter the path of Wexford hurling. Griffin was caught. The rest is history.
"Red rag to a bull and they knew that, I suppose. And I was true to my word and stood up to the plate. I didn't want an outsider to go in because in my own subconscious I must've felt what outsider was going to have the feel for this job.
Griffin mustn't have noticed an outsider called Cyril Farrell managing them in 1992.
Maybe that didn't go swingingly and hence his reaction to the prospect of another outside manager...
Wonder who many outside managers have won AI's with their adopted counties.. Cregan is the only one I can think of.
Michael Bond 1998.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 23, 2021, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 23, 2021, 08:37:26 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 22, 2021, 05:35:21 PM
Quote"We may get an outsider," he told Griffin.
That was all that was needed to drastically alter the path of Wexford hurling. Griffin was caught. The rest is history.
"Red rag to a bull and they knew that, I suppose. And I was true to my word and stood up to the plate. I didn't want an outsider to go in because in my own subconscious I must've felt what outsider was going to have the feel for this job.
Griffin mustn't have noticed an outsider called Cyril Farrell managing them in 1992.
Maybe that didn't go swingingly and hence his reaction to the prospect of another outside manager...
Wonder who many outside managers have won AI's with their adopted counties.. Cregan is the only one I can think of.
Michael Bond 1998.
And Dermot Healy with the Biffos as well and he a kilkenny man.
2,400 spectators allowed to attend the test pilot event Limerick and Cork on Saturday July 3rd in Semple Stadium. That's only 5% of capacity, nothing will be learnt from such a small crowd.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 23, 2021, 04:06:11 PM
2,400 spectators allowed to attend the test pilot event Limerick and Cork on Saturday July 3rd in Semple Stadium. That's only 5% of capacity, nothing will be learnt from such a small crowd.
certainly not in the stadium but I'd say there's more concern about people gathering up outside before and after the game in Liberty Square and the likes.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-overcome-galway-to-claim-leinster-u-20-hurling-title-1.4601799
Dublin overcome Galway to claim Leinster U-20 hurling title
Influential Gannon helps inspire a first victory over Tribesmen in underage championship hurling
about 12 hours ago
John Fallon
Dublin celebrate their victory over Galway in the 2020 Leinster Under 20 hurling final at Bord na Mona O'Connor Park, Tullamore. Photograph: Laszlo Geczo/Inpho
Dublin 1-20 Galway 1-18
Dublin hurlers received a timely boost ahead of their Leinster SHC clash with Antrim at the weekend as the county's U-20 side were good value for their victory over Galway in the delayed 2020 provincial decider.
It is the perfect boost for Dublin hurling as they defeated Galway in underage championship hurling for the first time and have now set up an All-Ireland date with Cork in a couple of weeks, having previously lost all four previous finals in the U-21 grade.
Dublin possessed a more potent attack to claim their seventh U-21/U-20 Leinster title and while, inevitably, a large part of the contest was a shootout between first cousins Liam Murphy of Dublin and Galway's Donal O'Shea, son of Tipperary coach Eamon, the four points each from play supplied by Lee Gannon and Dara Purcell was crucial to their success.
The sides were level three times in the opening half but Dublin went in leading by 1-11 to 1-9 at the break.
Galway did a lot of the early running and led by 0-3 to 0-1 after nine minutes but then Purcell pointed for Dublin before midfielder Mark Sweeney soloed through and drilled the ball low into the net for an excellent goal.
Mark Kennedy, who scored 0-4 from play in the opening quarter, responded for Galway and he also replied when Micheal Murphy pointed for Dublin and Liam Murphy hit two frees leave it 1-4 to 0-6 at the first water break.
Another free from Murphy and one from the left wing by Gannon pushed Dublin 1-6 to 0-6 in front but then a cross from the right from O'Shea was collected by John Cooney and he batted to the net after executing a sidestep which was reminiscent of his father Joe, the former All Star, to tie the sides after 20 minutes.
The sides continued to trade points but Dublin, having played with the breeze, edged two in front at half-time after another free from Murphy and one from distance from goalkeeper Eddie Gibbons.
Second half
Galway started the second half with three quick points before Dara McBride equalised, and then Dublin's Micheal Murphy and Ian McGlynn exchanged points.
Galway led by 1-15 to 1-13 at the second water break after two more pointed frees from O'Shea but the superb Lee Gannon landed two in a row and then after another O'Shea free, Dara Purcell struck for two more points.
Kennedy's sixth point for Galway narrowed the gap to one but two more frees from Murphy kept Dublin in control and he maintained their two-point advantage after Fionn McDonagh responded for Galway.
Galway almost snatched it in the final play but Sean McDonagh's low shot went across goal and wide and Dublin held on for their seventh Leinster title in the grade and they are back in an All-Ireland final at this level for the first time since 2011.
Gannon, who suffered the heartbreak of losing the All-Ireland U-20 football final to Galway last December, said they won't be burdened by history as they go in search of a first All-Ireland in the grade.
"There is a first time for everything. That's the plan. We will enjoy this one, reassess and start planning for Cork.
"It was an unbelievable win. We knew what was at stake. Leinster finals don't come around too often. We are like a band of brothers. We don't care what went before and from now on Dublin hurling will start pushing on from this."
DUBLIN: E Gibbons (0-01, 0-1f); T Kinnane, A Dunphy, A Murphy; E O'Donnell, K Burke, I Ó Heither; M Sweeney (1-0), D Power; D McBride (0-2), M Murphy (0-2), L Gannon (0-4); D Purcell (0-4), K Desmond, L Murphy (0-7, 0-7f). Subs: M Conroy for Kinnane (33), D Leavy for O Heither (45), L McDwyer for O'Donnell (50), C Foley for Desmond (52), B Ryan for Power (60+4).
GALWAY: D Fahy; E Lawless, TJ Brennan, J O'Donoghue; D Kilcommins, C Flaherty, D Shaughnessy (0-1); A Brett, I McGlynn (0-1); C Walsh, M Kennedy (0-06), S Neary; J Cooney (1-0), J Fleming (0-1), D O'Shea (0-8, 0-6f, 0-1'65). Subs: F McDonagh (0-1) for Brett (40), S McDonagh for Cooney (48), O Salmon for O'Donoghue (58).
That's a decent win for them, I was hoping they wouldn't be churning out underage titles at hurling for a while
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2021, 01:20:34 PM
That's a decent win for them, I was hoping they wouldn't be churning out underage titles at hurling for a while
They've flirted with Leinster and AI minor titles and finals in the not too distant past so no surprising that they're making shapes at U20's.
You can take the man out of Tipp!
Will that pout an end to the sponsorship deal?
Multi-millionaire Declan Kelly reduces Teneo work after drunken antics at charity event
June 24 2021 06:42 PM
Multi-millionaire PR mogul and Tipperary hurling sponsor Declan Kelly has stepped back from some of his responsibilities as CEO and chair of Teneo, the strategy firm he co-founded, after drunkenly misbehaving at a charity event last month.
According to a statement put out by a spokesperson for the chief executive, Mr Kelly "became inebriated and behaved inappropriately towards women and men" at cocktail party for a fundraising concert hosted by Global Citizen on May 2.
The event, which was chaired by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle and featured performances by Jennifer Lopez and Selena Gomez, was raising money for a global Covid vaccine campaign.
Mr Kelly has also resigned his board seat at Global Citizen, an anti-poverty charity chaired by Chris Stadler, the managing partner of CVC Capital Partners, the majority shareholder in Teneo.
Mr Kelly was asked for his resignation the day after the event.
The spokesperson's statement said Mr Kelly regretted his actions and had apologised to those he had offended. It added that Mr Kelly had "temporarily reduced his work responsibilities", was "committed to sobriety" and was "undertaking ongoing counselling from healthcare professionals".
The Financial Times first reported news of Mr Kelly's decision.
It is understood that Mr Kelly was not asked to give up his responsibilities, had made the decision himself and was continuing to do work.
He is due to return to work full-time in September and will retain his titles and leadership position in the firm. The ownership structure of Teneo will not be changing either, meaning Mr Kelly will be keeping his ownership stake.
Tipperary-born Mr Kelly, brother of Labour TD Alan Kelly, co-founded Teneo in 2011 along with Paul Keary and Clinton advisor Doug Band after a career in journalism and PR that started at the Nenagh Guardian.
After running Financial Dynamics in the US and work in corporate advisor FTI Consulting, Mr Kelly got to know Bill and Hillary Clinton via journalist Niall O'Dowd. He ultimately parlayed that relationship into a role as US economic envoy to Northern Ireland. Bill Clinton was an early advisor on Teneo's books, along with former British prime minister Tony Blair.
Teneo has grown rapidly in the last decade through aggressive networking and numerous acquisitions into a major PR advisory and strategic consultancy with 1,100 employees and offices in New York, Dublin, London and other major cities.
CVC came on as a shareholder in 2017 when the private equity firm bought a majority stake in Teneo for a reported €309m from BC Partners, an earlier backer of the company.
That transaction valued the company at a reported $700m.
CVC increased that stake in February to enable Teneo to buy Deloitte's UK restructuring business in a €250m deal, expanding the business's capabilities.
The firm boasts some of the biggest multinational corporations as clients and has several influential former politicians, including former US senator George Mitchell and former British home secretary Amber Rudd, on its payroll.
Mr Kelly's LinkedIn profile states that he is "recognized in particular for his crisis management experience".
In Ireland Teneo is deeply involved in sport, as well as acting as a public relations representative for several companies. Former Ireland rugby captain Brian O'Driscoll is an advisor and the firm sponsors Tipperary hurling.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0624/1231181-power-play-can-limerick-and-galway-be-beaten/Limerick's success usually stems from dominating between the 45s and scoring points from distance – they racked up an average of 0-28 per championship game last year.
They only scored three goals in five games and got them all against Tipperary in a Munster semi-final played in driving November rain.
One method that might pay dividends is crowding the centre ground Limerick so effectively control with deep-lying half-forwards.
Waterford managed to unsettle them in the Munster final but were less effective in the All-Ireland, where Limerick repeatedly came out on top in the rucks.
"I think if any team is going to get Limerick it's going to be like what Waterford did last year," suggests two-time All-Ireland winner Brendan Cummins.
"Come out around the middle third, flood it with bodies and have two inside.
"We saw Tipp try it for the first time ever (in the league), playing with nobody inside the opposition 45. But the delivery of the ball between your 45 and 65 is still key.
"If you're wasteful there and don't use the 10-yard pass rather than the 40-yard one they will get you on the counter-attack, point. That's a lot of hot-wiring players differently because they usually get on the ball on their own 45 and look long."
Clare beat the Déise by 4.
Clare will want to take a higher percentage of their chances against Tip the next day. They had too many bad wides and should have won by a lot more. Waterford were very disppointing.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 27, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
Clare will want to take a higher percentage of their chances against Tip the next day. They had too many bad wides and should have won by a lot more. Waterford were very disppointing.
Waterford very flat and taking the wrong option more times than enough, made a hero our of John Conlon.
Clare will be happy with that and will believe they can give Tipp a right rattle. Shanagher migh cause Paudie problems in at fullback as Paudie doesn't have a great track record in there when against tall, rangy catchers of the ball.
I'm sure Tipp will watch Kelly better though. Waterford were really poor. If I were a waterford supporter Gleeson would frustrate me greatly.
Shanaher is a big wrecking ball. He's hard to watch but I guess you need to not allow him to be isolated the way he was to allow Kelly to run off him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2021, 08:41:12 AM
I'm sure Tipp will watch Kelly better though. Waterford were really poor. If I were a waterford supporter Gleeson would frustrate me greatly.
Shanaher is a big wrecking ball. He's hard to watch but I guess you need to not allow him to be isolated the way he was to allow Kelly to run off him.
If Kelly plays that near to goal then Cathal Barrett will be dispatched onto him and no better man to man mark. The Shanagher/Kelly axis was pretty obvious from the get go, but Waterford didn't seem to respond.
Genuinely think Tipp would be better sending Barry Heffernan back onto Shanagher than Paudie Maher. Paudie has slowed up a bit and leaving him inside on Shanagher would be a big risk for Tipp IMO.
Limerick v Cork SHOULD be a win for Limerick but if Cork sort out their puck outs (which I don't think they will) and get a few runs at the Limerick defence (which I don't think they will be allowed to do) then they have a chance but they'll need 3 plus goals and Limerick don't concede goals as much as they don't score them.
two cracking games in Leinster as well, Wex v KK and Dublin v Galway.
Galway can be caught cold every once in a while and if the dubs have serious ambitions of stepping up then they need to do it this weekend otherwise Galway will put 10 plus on them.
The other game is much harder to call and I'd fancy Wexford if they put out a more attack minded team with more players nearer the Kilkenny goals than they normally do. I rate McDonald and O'Connor highly and with Chin in close proximity up top they'll cause this Kilkenny defence issues as they still have a few average hurlers in there.
It will be interesting to see if the new Kilkenny gameplan goes out the window if TJ and Walter aren't winning ball in the Wexford defence.
I haven't been watching the league. Has Maher reverted to full back? I thought the brother was usually full back.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2021, 09:53:35 AM
I haven't been watching the league. Has Maher reverted to full back? I thought the brother was usually full back.
Paudie played there in the last game and went well, can't remember who it was against, but he'd a poor year last year out in the half back line.
Ronan seems to be further out the field now.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2021, 08:41:12 AM
I'm sure Tipp will watch Kelly better though. Waterford were really poor. If I were a waterford supporter Gleeson would frustrate me greatly.
Shanaher is a big wrecking ball. He's hard to watch but I guess you need to not allow him to be isolated the way he was to allow Kelly to run off him.
If I was a Deise supporter, there'd be a lot more to frustrate me than Gleeson. He put in a good shift yesterday, unlike most of his teammates.
Quote from: mouview on June 28, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2021, 08:41:12 AM
I'm sure Tipp will watch Kelly better though. Waterford were really poor. If I were a waterford supporter Gleeson would frustrate me greatly.
Shanaher is a big wrecking ball. He's hard to watch but I guess you need to not allow him to be isolated the way he was to allow Kelly to run off him.
If I was a Deise supporter, there'd be a lot more to frustrate me than Gleeson. He put in a good shift yesterday, unlike most of his teammates.
Almost half the team that started in last years AI final were out for various reasons, that's a big churn in any team, but I do think they played an aimless brand of hurling not helped with basic handling and control errors.
Waterford have 3 weeks until the qualifier and if Conor Prunty and Jamie Barron are back fit I'd be confident we'll make it back to the quarter finals.
It doesn't matter what happens in June.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2021, 10:36:06 AM
It doesn't matter what happens in June.
True, although going round the houses to an AI semi-final was Galways undoing last year. Too many weekends on the road took it's toll
Quote from: johnnycool on July 01, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2021, 10:36:06 AM
It doesn't matter what happens in June.
True, although going round the houses to an AI semi-final was Galways undoing last year. Too many weekends on the road took it's toll
I don't think they were good enough. they have strengthened up since.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 01, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2021, 10:36:06 AM
It doesn't matter what happens in June.
True, although going round the houses to an AI semi-final was Galways undoing last year. Too many weekends on the road took it's toll
I don't think they were good enough. they have strengthened up since.
All hypothetical now, but beating Tipp took a fair bit out of them the week before facing a Limerick team that had an extra weeks rest and Galway were going toe to toe with them till Mannion got injured and they run out of puff.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 01, 2021, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 01, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2021, 10:36:06 AM
It doesn't matter what happens in June.
True, although going round the houses to an AI semi-final was Galways undoing last year. Too many weekends on the road took it's toll
I don't think they were good enough. they have strengthened up since.
All hypothetical now, but beating Tipp took a fair bit out of them the week before facing a Limerick team that had an extra weeks rest and Galway were going toe to toe with them till Mannion got injured and they run out of puff.
Mannion was a huge loss but they didn't have the strength in depth. And why the lapse against Kilkenny? You need to be ruthless to win the all Ireland.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0214/1115414-eoin-larkin-galway-promise-so-much-deliver-so-little/
Eoin Larkin has questioned the attitude of the Galway players, claiming they are "not willing to put their bodies on the line for each other".
The eight-time All-Ireland winner says the Tribesmen's lack of team ethic is one of the main reasons for their failure to consistently challenge for the Liam MacCarthy Cup.
Speaking to RTÉ 2fm's Game On, Larkin said: "As a group they're not really together. They come out with all the right things in the media, that they are together now more than ever, but when it really comes down to it they're not really willing to put their bodies on the line for each other.
With Galway it's difficult to shake off the memory of their post-2017 failure to achieve a satisfactory synthesis between force and finesse
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-tipperary-need-to-nullify-tony-kelly-threat-if-they-re-to-advance-1.4609149
Jackie Tyrrell: Tipperary need to nullify Tony Kelly threat if they're to advance
Sheedy needs to put his best marker on Kelly and avoid mistake Waterford made
Just like every hurling team, every NFL team has a crop of corner backs. Some are up to the job, some aren't. Most are middle of the road. But there's a phrase they reserve for the top guys, the elite corner backs. They call them shutdown corners or lockdown corners.
The shutdown corner is arguably the defence's most important player. He is the crème de le crème. He is the one who takes on the greatest responsibility and the greatest risk. If an opposing quarter-back senses a weakness, he can end a shutdown corner's career in the space of a single game. The shutdown tag takes years to earn but you can lose it in the blink of an eye.
The shutdown corner has one job and one job only – to take out the opposition's best wide receiver. Every day they go out, they're up against the player who can do the most damage.
He never gets a handy day at the office. He has to be on it for every single play, every single down, for every quarter of every game. He is measured on what the receiver did – how many yards, how many touchdowns, how many catches and how many yards after the catch. There is no hiding place for these guys.
As a result, their profile has risen in the game over the decades. The likes of Jalen Ramsey have been able to earn some of the biggest contracts in the game outside the quarter-backs. Ramsey makes $20 million a year playing for the LA Rams. Most people wouldn't have heard of someone such as Marlon Humphrey for the Ravens – he earns $19.5 million a year.
To put that in context, the best running backs such as Christian McCaffrey, Zeke Elliott and Alvin Kamara – you're talking some of the most famous sportsmen in America – none of them earn more than $15 million-$16 million annually. That tells you just how much these teams value the shutdown corner.
It raises an interesting parallel when it comes to how we value the equivalent of the shutdown corner in hurling. Okay, so they don't get shown the money and they don't do the same line in trash talking in the media. But you can look around the game and rank them just the same.
At the top, the creme de la créme, are Seán Finn and Cathal Barrett. They are the studs, the masters of the craft. Then you have the next tier of guys such Richie English, Conor Delaney, Rory Hayes, Conor Gleeson and Shane Reck, all looking to move into the top bracket. The top teams all need one of these guys.
Tipperary's Cathal Barrett in action against Wexford. The elite defenders expect a shutout when they mark the best. No score from play has to be the standard they strive for. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
Tipperary's Cathal Barrett in action against Wexford. The elite defenders expect a shutout when they mark the best. No score from play has to be the standard they strive for. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
Last Sunday was a perfect illustration of the worth of having one in your team and the problems that arise when you're short that type of player. The loss of Conor Prunty meant Waterford had to play Gleeson at full back on Aron Shanagher. We can all see that Shanagher is a big threat on the edge of the square and when he develops a real cutting edge, Clare will have some weapon in him. But equally, we all know that he isn't Clare's go-to match-winner.
In the build-up to the game, Liam Cahill's number one problem was always going to be what Waterford did to try to shut down Tony Kelly. Now, I don't know if he got swayed by the fact that Calum Lyons had done so well on Kelly last year – even though Kelly was injured early on in that game – or if he'd have sent Gleeson to do the job if Prunty had been available for full back. One way or the other, I still think it was the wrong call to give Lyons that job.
Waterford basically solved two problems for Clare in one fell swoop
Gleeson is the same guy Derek McGrath used as his go to man-marker, the player who nullified Conor Lehane at his best, as well as Alan Cadogan and Richie Hogan in key games for Waterford. Not a bad list of guys to have on your CV, especially when you have them stuffed deep in your back pocket.
Gleeson has all you need for the job – speed, concentration, anticipation, but most importantly a defender's instinct. He will naturally and instinctively take a step back instead of forward, he will stay and mind the house unless certain of plenty of cover, he will take a calculated risk instead of a chance. Although he plays midfield and centre-forward for his club, he is most comfortable with his own 65 in front of him. Those things matter.
Kelly needs to be handled by a shutdown corner. That has to be the first and foremost thought. Lyons is a brilliant hurler and one of the pillars of the Waterford team. But he's not a shutdown corner. He doesn't have that defender's instinct that Gleeson has. That's not his thing at all, especially not when someone like Kelly stays in the full-forward line and doesn't go dropping back out the field.
Waterford basically solved two problems for Clare in one fell swoop. Not only did they not put their tightest marker on Kelly, they also took their most attacking wing back out of the area of the pitch where he does the most damage. It was clever from Brian Lohan to get Kelly to drag Lyons into his own full-back line and keep him there but Waterford should have seen something like that coming.
Lyons is an excellent distributor, he's strong in the air, he's athletic and pacy. He thrives on getting forward and creating scores, as well scoring himself from wing back. Because of all that, he occupies forwards in a way they don't want to be occupied.
A forward's headspace should look like a scientist's chalk board, full of attacking formulas, ideas, brainwaves, equations, probability and arrows. His mindset should all be about positive thoughts – how to score, how to get into space, how to get forward, how to feed the ball inside.
No forward wants to have to be thinking about tracking back and carrying out his defensive duties. But that is what Lyons does from wing back. He tests them. He puts negative thoughts in their head. That's a big thing to give up when you hand him a man-marking job.
I could even live with losing that if he goes and does a good job on Kelly but that wasn't how it worked out. Kelly still scored 0-5 from play and won another free which he scored himself. Lyons didn't score at all. I have never seen Lyons play cornerback before – he didn't look comfortable there. It was shrewd from Lohan. Any day you make the opposition put Ronaldo doing N'Golo Kante's job, you've won the coaching battle.
The elite defenders expect a shutout when they mark the best. No score from play has to be the standard they strive for. Finn and Barrett regularly deliver that type of shutdown and that's what makes them the best. They know that's the barometer – not how many balls they clear or how many scores they set up. Their bread and butter is totally defined by what is in the brackets after their opponent's name in the paper the next day.
They are consumed with being first to the ball, getting (and staying) touch tight, being always there, like flies on cow s**t. Concentration is total and they play without fear. They're bad news for the forward they're marking and they get off on that. That has to be the way.
In 2019, Tipperary travelled to Ennis and dismantled Clare in a 13-point drumming. Part of the reason for that was how well Brendan Maher shackled Kelly. It will be interesting to see Liam Sheedy's approach to how to curtail Tony Kelly's influence because this is a different Tony Kelly to two years ago.
Clare's Tony Kelly is playing a floating role. He has no defined position but he does have a really defined role. He has a licence to go hunt the ball and express himself. Photograph: Lorraine O'Sullivan/Inpho
Clare's Tony Kelly is playing a floating role. He has no defined position but he does have a really defined role. He has a licence to go hunt the ball and express himself. Photograph: Lorraine O'Sullivan/Inpho
Back then, Kelly was struggling for form and confidence. Clare hadn't really nailed down what his position should be. A lot of the time, he was coming too deep to get possession and was too far from goal to score and really influence the game. That suited Maher down to the ground – he had no problem being further up the pitch and could affect the game himself from there.
Now Kelly plays a floating role. He has no defined position but he does have a really defined role. He has a licence to go hunt the ball and express himself. Lohan deserves huge credit for Kelly's return to form. He can turn up anywhere from 9 to 15, but essentially he is playing with abandon and flowing with intent and confidence.
If I was Sheedy, I'd have been ringing Cathal Barrett last Sunday evening at 5.05pm. A very short call, one message. Kelly is yours. For two hours next weekend, if Kelly goes to Nancy Blakes in Limerick for a pint, you are there peeping over his shoulder going, 'And the bacon fries for me, Tony.'
When Kelly is inside the Tipperary half, Barrett should be by his side and the next Tipperary defender should be no more than 10 yards away
Tipperary have to plan for Kelly, that's obvious. I think they do it through Barrett's shutdown man-marking and an overall team awareness of where Kelly is on the pitch. You want to limit his space. You want to really target the areas and situation he likes to shoot from.
Clare will use Shanagher and, if he returns, Shane O'Donnell to help take the attention away from Kelly. But essentially, Tipperary players from 2 to 12 have to be very wary of where Kelly is at all times. They have to cut down the space around him and delay the delivery of ball into him from John Conlon, Colm Galvin and the rest.
When Kelly is inside the Tipperary half, Barrett should be by his side and the next Tipperary defender should be no more than 10 yards away. That will slow down the ball out of the Clare defence, giving Tipp that crucial extra half-second to see what's what. Their goal will be to make the ball coming out of the Clare defence slow and laboured, which will eventually force Clare into hurrying up and making mistakes.
That's the theory, anyway. There are a lot of ifs and buts involved but that's always the way with someone as good as Kelly. That's why there are so few elite shutdown corner backs in the game to tag these forwards. It's a very difficult job.
Luckily, we get to see one of the very best take it on on Sunday. Can't w
Jackie is bang on the money there.
Barrett needs to shadow Kelly the whole game but the rest of the Clare forwards and midfielders need to take some of the scoring burden on themselves and it did seem they were given license to have a go the last day, but far too many wides and that made the 4 point win unnecessarily uncomfortable.
Tipp are going with the old guns one more time. They need to fire early on as they definitely don't want the back door so early in the campaign.
Galway have racked up 14 wides
Abysmal display from Galway, especially the forwards. Dublin thoroughly deserving of their victory.
Must be using a heavier ball today!
Be happy pundits on the Sunday game after that score line
Galway hurlers like their football counterpart. Flakey. Was Joe Canning injured today? Will need him the next day.
Don't want to pick on anyone, but the penalty decision in the Clare Tipp game today was utterly crazy. It wasn't the rules fault, it wasn't possible to see how the ref got it wrong, it was just bizarre.
Thinking about it since, I can't ever remember a more clearly wrong decision
That and Quilligan letting in Callinans mishit shot were the differencein the end. It just wasn't Clares day.
Seen absolutely no games today but just watched that incident with the penalty.. stupid decision stupid rule wrong call and hopefully a bitta common sense prevails
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2021, 10:29:38 PM
Seen absolutely no games today but just watched that incident with the penalty.. stupid decision stupid rule wrong call and hopefully a bitta common sense prevails
didn't get to see the whole of the game but the Tipp lad was fouled way out on the sideline, just inside the 21 and IF there was a goal scoring opportunity denied it wasn't obvious as he'd a bit of ground to cover and at least two other Clare lads between him and the goal.
Evidently the goal scoring opportunity doesn't have to be obvious as it was far from that..
There was some boy put an image up on twitter showing that where the foul occurred was closer to the road outside the stadium than the goal lol. (I haven't seen it yet)
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2021, 10:23:27 AM
There was some boy put an image up on twitter showing that where the foul occurred was closer to the road outside the stadium than the goal lol. (I haven't seen it yet)
Its madness and thank feck its not in the club game, my head would be melted !!!
This rule could throw up a lot of potential scenarios where the ref would be in an impossible position. It is ultimately down to interpretation as to what equals a goal scoring opportunity. Sometimes it will be so obvious that nobody would rightly argue it. But more often it will be debatable. We already have enough decisions like that in our games.
However this time I just don't think you could even find a Tipp supporter who would have been shouting for a penalty and sin bin there. It was such an easy decision for the ref to give a free in , and a yellow card. Nobody would have debated that - except maybe McCarthy (as nobody in the moment thinks they personally deserve a card!).
Quote from: shark on July 05, 2021, 10:57:29 AM
This rule could throw up a lot of potential scenarios where the ref would be in an impossible position. It is ultimately down to interpretation as to what equals a goal scoring opportunity. Sometimes it will be so obvious that nobody would rightly argue it. But more often it will be debatable. We already have enough decisions like that in our games.
However this time I just don't think you could even find a Tipp supporter who would have been shouting for a penalty and sin bin there. It was such an easy decision for the ref to give a free in , and a yellow card. Nobody would have debated that - except maybe McCarthy (as nobody in the moment thinks they personally deserve a card!).
Why does the sin bin in hurling have a yellow card but in football it's a black card ? Mixed messages
I only saw the tipp penalty properly. That has to go down as one of the worst refereeing decisions ever made! Sure there was a Clare boy right beside the boy who took him down plus I am sure there were others who would have caught up.
A Tipp player just behind the tackle immediately starts pointing to the 20m line indicating that the tackle was inside. He was emphasising that a penalty should be given. Those immediate reactions often play on the minds of referees.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
I only saw the tipp penalty properly. That has to go down as one of the worst refereeing decisions ever made! Sure there was a Clare boy right beside the boy who took him down plus I am sure there were others who would have caught up.
there were two more Clare lads in front of the posts.
Now it's not beyond the realms that Morris could have worked his way inwards but he'd have a load of work to do to engineer a goal scoring opportunity as there would be more Clare lads funneling back the way they play..
Crazy decision.
Stall haven't had a chance to see the one where the Clare lads believe Shanagher was hauled down late on and no penalty given..
Big win for Kildare U20's last night over Wexford..
A big traditional scalp for them and good to see.
I remember a few years ago a Kildare club won Div1 of the national Feile so maybe the fruits of that labour are coming through.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2021, 10:13:10 AM
Big win for Kildare U20's last night over Wexford..
A big traditional scalp for them and good to see.
I remember a few years ago a Kildare club won Div1 of the national Feile so maybe the fruits of that labour are coming through.
Bravo Kildare. And a Wexford team backboned by the 2019 Leinster minor winning team.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2021, 10:13:10 AM
Big win for Kildare U20's last night over Wexford..
A big traditional scalp for them and good to see.
I remember a few years ago a Kildare club won Div1 of the national Feile so maybe the fruits of that labour are coming through.
Very interesting result. Fair play Cill Dara.
Kildare minors beat Laois
https://www.kfmradio.com/news/sports/thursday-morning-sport-update/
Galway the 2020 Minor All-Ireland champions. Galway: 1- 17
Kilkenny: 1-14
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 10, 2021, 06:37:16 PM
Galway the 2020 Minor All-Ireland champions. Galway: 1- 17
Kilkenny: 1-14
First time in hurling for a four-in-a-row.
Galway supporters rightfully nearly went mad with ref. Sean Stack for a few baffling decisions when the game was in the melting pot late on, nearly costing the team the win. Completely missed a rugby-style head tackle from KK FB on Galway attacker Molloy when racing through. Why a Leinster ref with a Leinster county in the final?
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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 10, 2021, 06:37:16 PM
Galway the 2020 Minor All-Ireland champions. Galway: 1- 17
Kilkenny: 1-14
First time in hurling for a four-in-a-row.
Galway supporters rightfully nearly went mad with ref. Sean Stack for a few baffling decisions when the game was in the melting pot late on, nearly costing the team the win. Completely missed a rugby-style head tackle from KK FB on Galway attacker Molloy when racing through. Why a Leinster ref with a Leinster county in the final?
That was one crazy decision alright, the fullback more or less dropped his head into the oncoming Galway lad and took him out at the neck, shoulder area and then awarded a hop ball......
Kilkenny penalty was on the soft side only to be compounded by not giving the Galway lad a penalty decision a few minutes later for a very similar challenge up the other end. If you're going to give one, the other should have been given.
Thought Stack was a Clare man, but there you go.
Well done Galway in 4 in a row but the real thing is getting some of those really talented lads through to senior.
Shít gets real this weekend;
1st round qualifiers
Laois v Waterford
Clare v Wexford
2nd round qualifiers bye
1. Cork
2. Galway
Quote from: johnnycool on July 12, 2021, 11:41:58 AM
Shít gets real this weekend;
1st round qualifiers
Laois v Waterford
Clare v Wexford
2nd round qualifiers bye
1. Cork
2. Galway
Cork's last all Ireland was 2005. Hard to believe. In retrospect, the 2006 final was a watershed.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2021, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 12, 2021, 11:41:58 AM
Shít gets real this weekend;
1st round qualifiers
Laois v Waterford
Clare v Wexford
2nd round qualifiers bye
1. Cork
2. Galway
Cork's last all Ireland was 2005. Hard to believe. In retrospect, the 2006 final was a watershed.
2020 U20 AI under their belts last week, gave Clare U17 hurlers a fierce beating last night as well, 40 odd points in it!!!
They've got their act together at underage it seems.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 15, 2021, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2021, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 12, 2021, 11:41:58 AM
Shít gets real this weekend;
1st round qualifiers
Laois v Waterford
Clare v Wexford
2nd round qualifiers bye
1. Cork
2. Galway
Cork's last all Ireland was 2005. Hard to believe. In retrospect, the 2006 final was a watershed.
2020 U20 AI under their belts last week, gave Clare U17 hurlers a fierce beating last night as well, 40 odd points in it!!!
They've got their act together at underage it seems.
It's still a long way to senior success
Clare 8 up!!! Once we beat them they haven't looked back ;)
Full Time
Clare 2-25 Wexford 2-22
Laois 1 point ahead against Waterford with 15mins left. We were 8 points down at half time.
FT
Laois 2:21
Waterford 3:23
Unbelievable effort from Laois in that second half but came up short in the end unfortunately.
Put so much into reducing that 8 point gap to actually lead at one stage, some effort in that heat.
An injury time goal for Waterford finished it off.
Not often I say this but... Up d Dubs.
Hope they hammer Kilkenny.
Dublin couldn't keep with Kilkenny, started slowly couldn't find their rhythm, the balance of the team was missing due to injuries and Covid, when meeting Kilkenny you need you best selection available and playing well, they'd neither do only one outcome.
Few things from the game.
Free taking should be at 99% accuracy, TJ doesn't miss much inside the 65 from any angle, Bourke missed several 'scoreable' frees.
Kilkennys stick work is faster and has more skill.
Kilkenny's fielding wins primary ball, Dublin didn't catch too many when challenged.
Puck out from Dublin keeper resulted in 3 turn overs, not keepers fault in fairness, dropped catches.
All that aside, once Dublin get a 2 week break and their players back they should challenge the next team better and might get another game.
Laois proved that can compete for 65 minutes with a lot of teams that are on a level above them. Bennett's late goal and the other point near the end was unfair on the scoreboard. After watch the Westmeath and Kerry final I was impressed with Westmeath and they have another gear in them, so that game will be a cracker when they meet next week?
Yes, next Saturday. It was supposed to be a curtain raiser to an AI semi-final, but we still haven't finished our 2020 club championships in Laois, so we got it brought forward. Westmeath will be on a high from that McDonagh win, but I've been impressed with the way Laois lifted themselves since the Wexford debacle. Laois, by the way, had their own Covid problems before the game, w/ one of the wing backs ruled out because of it.
Wasn't all that amazed by Kilkenny - Dublin held them reasonably well considering all their problems. But, yes, they were far more skilful than Dublin.
What a start
Quote from: laoislad on July 17, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
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Laois 2:21
Waterford 3:23
Unbelievable effort from Laois in that second half but came up short in the end unfortunately.
Put so much into reducing that 8 point gap to actually lead at one stage, some effort in that heat.
An injury time goal for Waterford finished it off.
Same in the Clare match
10 points in it now
A pity it's not knockout
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2021, 04:55:34 PM
10 points in it now
A pity it's not knockout
Tipp are comfortable at the minute, their intensity it top class, winning today allows them to rest up and prepare for the semi final.
Limerick will dust themselves down and won't miss next day out.
Sheedy is a madman on the sideline
Game on!!!
Brilliant stuff
Some comeback by Limerick.
Magnificent by Limerick. Tipp look like rabbit caught in headlights
Liam Sheedy wore himself out with all that clapping at half time.
Amazing game, but the reality is this, the ref should have sent him off and we are looking at a different game and result
Limerick's passing game is something to behold.
Tipp threw everything they had at Limerick and were still dismissed like school boys.
What hope does anyone else have?
Couple of great games over the weekend.
First up, the Tipp v Limerick battle.
Tipp had a plan, get the ball in deep over the Limerick halfback line, central and let the forwards bat it down for the oncoming runners to attack and hey presto they'd two goals in the bag and were motoring all over the field with Limerick burning off a bit of dirty diesel. 10 points up at the interval and Shefflin saying they were home and hosed, it was in the bag for Tipp..
The introduction of 2 All stars at the end of the first half also gave Limerick a glimmer of hope at both ends of the field, Gillane a threat that wasn't there for the first 25 minutes and Tom Morrissey who went on to command the airways back there.
But the restart of the second half was pure power hurling and no little skill. Limerick were winning everything in their own half a power through the Tipp midfield and Lynch (who was fouled an awful lot IMO) started to exert an influence once Dan McCormack eventually picked up a card for yet another foul.
Kyle hayes goal was a thing of beauty, he started the run for it just outside his own 20 metre line before taking the ball on 50 metres from his own goal, sidestepping two Tipp lads on his way in on goal before drilling a ball low into the ground beyond Hogan in the goals.
Tipp tried to introduce fresh, younger legs but their race was run. A goal at the end for them put a bit of a gloss on the scoreline but they'll have to reconsider where this team is going for the short and intermediate term.
Much being made of the refereeing and TBH Gullane's slash back with the edge of the hurl on Barrett was a red all day long as was Flanaghans driving the hurl into Paudie Mahers head at the end. Further over the weekend we see another Kilkenny defender driving the head into a Dublin attacker and whilst the free was awarded, the red card should have followed.
For the Gullane incident at least Duignan on co commentary was entirely right to call it, but Cummins kinda skirted round the kilkenny one with a comment of getting his tackling technique totally wrong..
No shit Sherlock.
The Clare, Wexford game had a few penalty shouts, the first Wexford one where the referee didn't award was probably right as O'Connor was going down already but the Clare lad was probably intending to go for the ball but when O'Connor stooped down it was going for his head but he fended it off with his own hurl. The only cop out there was the throw ball. Free out for fouling the ball IMO.
Shanagher had a better shout up at the other end later on, but in fairness to the ref, the belt to the head he got from O'Hallorhan was to his blind side, but the umpires would have seen it clear as day.
With lads who are now baring down on goal throwing the ball up to bat it down to prevent being hooked, there are going to be more of these incidents and whilst I've a lot of sympathy for referee's you either enforce the rules that are there or change the rules. This "common sense" approach has proven that common sense isn't that common..
As for the sqaure ball shout, You'd need hawkeye or the likes to call them...
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/nicky-english-limerick-s-second-half-form-won-t-be-matched-by-any-team-1.4624104
Nicky English: Limerick's second half form won't be matched by any team
When Cian Lynch got support in the second half he really began to pull the strings
about 4 hours ago
Nicky English
Limerick's Diarmuid Byrnes with the Mick Mackey Cup after winning the Munster championship final. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
Limerick's Diarmuid Byrnes with the Mick Mackey Cup after winning the Munster championship final. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
In 2019 Tipperary came out of the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick having probably played a lot worse than they did this Sunday in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, and they ultimately went on to win the All-Ireland. Coming out of the stadium yesterday, it was hard to imagine that happening again. It's hard to imagine anyone other than Limerick winning it.
I had some doubts in Limerick after their performance against Cork and in the first half yesterday it looked like those doubts were well-founded. Tipperary were completely dominant in all areas of the field, Jason Forde was giving an absolute masterclass and the team's scoring was just phenomenal.
Meanwhile, Limerick were looking quite heavy-legged, in all sorts of trouble and needing to bring on Dan Morrissey and Aaron Gillane. Little did we know they would play a major role in the Limerick revival.
The only man capable of making any inroads for Limerick during the first half was Cian Lynch, though he had some assistance from Declan Hannon and Kyle Hayes. But given the way that Tipperary can score, I thought it was a huge mountain for Limerick to climb at half time. Tipperary had already scored 2-16, and I thought it was eminently possible that they would score a minimum of 3-25 or 3-26. As it turned out they were beaten 2-17 to 1-5 after the break.
Limerick started the second half like a train and Lynch completely took over. He conducted the orchestra and produced one of the best displays I've seen from him. He's a genius. He was playing well when the rest of them weren't and in the second half when he got some support he really began to pull the strings.
In fairness, Hayes also turned up and the goal he scored was easily one of the finest I've seen on any pitch. The athleticism he showed as he galloped up along the line, leaving Dan McCormack in his wake, was on another level.
Running on empty
Tipperary did begin to use their bench but maybe they should have thrown those players into the game a little earlier because they were already running on empty. But the form Limerick showed in the second half wouldn't have been matched, and I doubt it will be matched by any team in the championship.
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Before heading for Cork I was in Thurles on Saturday afternoon for Clare's victory over Wexford. Ultimately, Clare will take a lot from the victory but they still need to improve if they are to progress further.
Wexford were slow out of the blocks on the day and went out more or less without a full-forward line. An outstanding point from Cathal Dunbar from the sideline in the middle of the field illustrated where Wexford were lacking in that first half when Clare sprinted out ahead. He had no choice but to shoot for a point. There was nobody inside. When they varied it a bit and went longer with Lee Chin and Conor McDonald at the edge of the square, they looked more dangerous. But at that stage they had already dug a huge hole for themselves.
The Kilkenny team applauding their captain during his speech at Croke Park after the Leinster senior championship final. Photograph: Brian Reilly-Troy/Inpho
The Kilkenny team applauding their captain during his speech at Croke Park after the Leinster senior championship final. Photograph: Brian Reilly-Troy/Inpho
Then, unlike the Munster final, the Leinster decider was really disappointing. I was very interested in seeing if Kilkenny could confirm the impression they had created against Wexford. They were quite good that day and they were good again for the first few minutes on Saturday. It was a whirlwind start for them.
But they lost their way and struggled to win any ball around the middle third. Dublin completely dominated the area with Danny Sutcliffe, Liam Rushe, Cormac Crummey and all the other usual suspects controlling the game.
Despite the loss I think Dublin will take plenty from it. It's been a really good season for them, all things considered. They scored freely against Antrim, they had a big win against Galway and they had ample excuse for Saturday.
Their preparations were rocked with the Covid absentees and I didn't think it was very wise to start Eoghan O'Donnell. As a former hamstring sufferer, I didn't see any way he could be right in two weeks.
But they will be awkward for anybody in the quarter-final. For them now it's about finding scores. In most games you have to be able to put 30 points on the board and I don't think they're likely to get that against the best opposition. Maybe Oisín O'Rorke coming back can help in this area.
Donal Burke was also a bit fitful on the frees and they really need to be 100 percent perfect from placed balls.
Strong at the back
That said, we didn't see much in an attacking sense from Kilkenny either. But they were strong at the back. Huw Lawlor was outstanding, Paddy Deegan did a lot of solid hurling and James Maher slowly but surely got to grips with Danny Sutcliffe. They pulled away and won, with the penalty being the final death knell, but it wasn't much of a step on from the Wexford performance.
At the same time they are in an All-Ireland semi-final and I would never rule them out or underestimate them. Whoever plays them next will still have to go out and beat them, and they won't give it up easily.
After the game I initially thought that maybe there will be no really outstanding team this year and that the team that goes out and just gets it done will suffice. And Kilkenny will get it done. That's the way they roll.
But Limerick subsequently hit form, and that's ominous for the rest of the pack.
The Kilkenny defenders tackle using the head was a red card Johnny for sure, as you say they made light of it..
Some great U20 hurling on TG4 the last few nights.
Clare were outplayed and overpowered by Limerick on Monday night. The Limerick machine looks to keep churning out brutes of men who can also hurl. Clare were missing a few of the lads who've played senior didn't help them. Limerick looked ominous.
Last night we'd Cork V Tipp up first with Tipp off to a flyer (again) only for Cork to come back into it in the second half. Cork had serious pace in their forwards and that seems to be the way they're going. The final will be an interesting matchup.
In Leinster Galway were making wee boys out of Kilkenny and had something like a 13 point lead at half time. Classy hurlers but Kilkenny never gave up and got the lead down to 4 but couldn't close it to anything less than that. Carlow ref was a tad kind to the Kilkenny lads at times.
Dublin in the final.
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In Leinster Galway were making wee boys out of Kilkenny and had something like a 13 point lead at half time. Classy hurlers but Kilkenny never gave up and got the lead down to 4 but couldn't close it to anything less than that. Carlow ref was a tad kind to the Kilkenny lads at times.
Dublin in the final.
Leinster referees being kind to Leinster opposition who play Galway at underage is fast becoming a theme.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 21, 2021, 11:33:41 AM
Some great U20 hurling on TG4 the last few nights.
Clare were outplayed and overpowered by Limerick on Monday night. The Limerick machine looks to keep churning out brutes of men who can also hurl. Clare were missing a few of the lads who've played senior didn't help them. Limerick looked ominous.
Last night we'd Cork V Tipp up first with Tipp off to a flyer (again) only for Cork to come back into it in the second half. Cork had serious pace in their forwards and that seems to be the way they're going. The final will be an interesting matchup.
In Leinster Galway were making wee boys out of Kilkenny and had something like a 13 point lead at half time. Classy hurlers but Kilkenny never gave up and got the lead down to 4 but couldn't close it to anything less than that. Carlow ref was a tad kind to the Kilkenny lads at times.
Dublin in the final.
That rule really devalues the U20 grade in both football and hurling. Playing with and against the best U20 players is what every player needs as they hope to make the step up to senior level.
Galway looking like they are not bothered today! 8 scores in a row there
Yeah I had thought the flakiness that you used to associate with the Galway hurlers was gone - turn up one day then completely fail to turn up the next day.
In recent years when beaten they still generally were there or thereabouts.
Not so today it seems
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Galway looking like they are not bothered today! 8 scores in a row there
Can see today why Dublin knocked them out of the Leinster championship.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 24, 2021, 02:26:43 PM
Galway looking like they are not bothered today! 8 scores in a row there
Can see today why Dublin knocked them out of the Leinster championship.
They ain't playing for the county or their manager by the sound of things. Even with a man down Waterford are powering ahead
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Galway looking like they are not bothered today! 8 scores in a row there
Can see today why Dublin knocked them out of the Leinster championship.
They ain't playing for the county or their manager by the sound of things. Even with a man down Waterford are powering ahead
At least they went down fighting, too little to late for them them.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0214/1115414-eoin-larkin-galway-promise-so-much-deliver-so-little/
Eoin Larkin has questioned the attitude of the Galway players, claiming they are "not willing to put their bodies on the line for each other".
The eight-time All-Ireland winner says the Tribesmen's lack of team ethic is one of the main reasons for their failure to consistently challenge for the Liam MacCarthy Cup.
Speaking to RTÉ 2fm's Game On, Larkin said: "As a group they're not really together. They come out with all the right things in the media, that they are together now more than ever, but when it really comes down to it they're not really willing to put their bodies on the line for each other.
With Galway it's difficult to shake off the memory of their post-2017 failure to achieve a satisfactory synthesis between force and finesse. This won't be quite as much an issue over the coming weeks. Simply let the big lads loose to batter down every door in sight.
It's all about the individual, not the collective. To be a consistent, top-performing team you have to be willing to put everybody else before yourself.
"There were problems in the Galway club scene over the last 10 or 15 years, bad belts being pulled and things like that. They weren't really getting on.
"I don't think that has really gone out of Galway hurling. They don't seem to be pulling together and playing the way they can as a team.
"There is no doubting they have fantastic individuals but that doesn't win you All-Irelands. I know they have won one All-Ireland but really, with the panel of players they have, they should have been more successful."
That's a pretty good summary, but who da f**k are Waterford? They pull these results out of the blue every year!!
I'm expecting Cork to win but after today I think Tony Kelly will win!!
Kelly nearly won it for Clare with a last second shot that the keeper saved. Cork were lucky but they had the greater threat in front of goal and thats what won it for them. I am disappointed for Clare as they missed a lot of chances and should have won it.
Waterford were deserving winners over Galway and are in the championship longer than Clare who beat them earlier.
Clare are out and Waterford still going strong. You wouldn't have expected that a few weeks ago when Clare were supposed to be miles ahead of us.
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Clare are out and Waterford still going strong. You wouldn't have expected that a few weeks ago when Clare were supposed to be miles ahead of us.
That's the way the cookie crumbles Gallybally.
Cork get creamed by Limerick and have rallied. They'll fancy taking the Dubs on Sunday and potentially KK in the semi's, but Cork still believe they will win even when they're getting beat out the gate.
The Blahs will have it all to do against Tipp. The big question is will Sheedy throw on the young guns or stick with the older lads in one last hurrah, but I've been saying that for a few years now..
I presume if you lads win it'll be you vrs Limerick and Cork v Dublin or does it not matter if you've played before in the championship?
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0214/1115414-eoin-larkin-galway-promise-so-much-deliver-so-little/
Eoin Larkin has questioned the attitude of the Galway players, claiming they are "not willing to put their bodies on the line for each other".
The eight-time All-Ireland winner says the Tribesmen's lack of team ethic is one of the main reasons for their failure to consistently challenge for the Liam MacCarthy Cup.
Speaking to RTÉ 2fm's Game On, Larkin said: "As a group they're not really together. They come out with all the right things in the media, that they are together now more than ever, but when it really comes down to it they're not really willing to put their bodies on the line for each other.
With Galway it's difficult to shake off the memory of their post-2017 failure to achieve a satisfactory synthesis between force and finesse. This won't be quite as much an issue over the coming weeks. Simply let the big lads loose to batter down every door in sight.
It's all about the individual, not the collective. To be a consistent, top-performing team you have to be willing to put everybody else before yourself.
"There were problems in the Galway club scene over the last 10 or 15 years, bad belts being pulled and things like that. They weren't really getting on.
"I don't think that has really gone out of Galway hurling. They don't seem to be pulling together and playing the way they can as a team.
"There is no doubting they have fantastic individuals but that doesn't win you All-Irelands. I know they have won one All-Ireland but really, with the panel of players they have, they should have been more successful."
That's been the problem in Galway for over 40 years now. The players lose the hunger as soon as they win something or even get to an All Ireland final.
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0214/1115414-eoin-larkin-galway-promise-so-much-deliver-so-little/
Eoin Larkin has questioned the attitude of the Galway players, claiming they are "not willing to put their bodies on the line for each other".
The eight-time All-Ireland winner says the Tribesmen's lack of team ethic is one of the main reasons for their failure to consistently challenge for the Liam MacCarthy Cup.
Speaking to RTÉ 2fm's Game On, Larkin said: "As a group they're not really together. They come out with all the right things in the media, that they are together now more than ever, but when it really comes down to it they're not really willing to put their bodies on the line for each other.
With Galway it's difficult to shake off the memory of their post-2017 failure to achieve a satisfactory synthesis between force and finesse. This won't be quite as much an issue over the coming weeks. Simply let the big lads loose to batter down every door in sight.
It's all about the individual, not the collective. To be a consistent, top-performing team you have to be willing to put everybody else before yourself.
"There were problems in the Galway club scene over the last 10 or 15 years, bad belts being pulled and things like that. They weren't really getting on.
"I don't think that has really gone out of Galway hurling. They don't seem to be pulling together and playing the way they can as a team.
"There is no doubting they have fantastic individuals but that doesn't win you All-Irelands. I know they have won one All-Ireland but really, with the panel of players they have, they should have been more successful."
That's been the problem in Galway for over 40 years now. The players lose the hunger as soon as they win something or even get to an All Ireland final.
One AI medal in Galway and most counties makes you a hero.
One AI medal in Kilkenny means you probably were a weak enough panelist.
It's a short turnaround for Cork and Tipperary who have to play in the All Ireland semis with only a week to prepare. Though Cork should coast home against Dublin.
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
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What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
For the life of me I can't understand how Waterford get those results, so it has to be down to Cahill's enthusiasm and drive, his moving of Shane Bennett from attack to defence has proved to be a master stroke
Offaly Christy Ring Cup winners. The last time Offaly won hurling silverware in Croke Park was the 1998 All-Ireland and that's the level they will be aiming to get back to, starting with the Joe McDonagh Cup in 2022.
Huge progress for Offaly considering how far they've dropped to, it'll make the Joe McDonagh cup interesting, with lots of teams fancying their chances.
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What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
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What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup
The rebuild could be in place by 2023
Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards
It's not an insurmountable problem
Tipps wristy hurling was missing yesterday, dropped too many passes and some poor wides..
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup
The rebuild could be in place by 2023
Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards
It's not an insurmountable problem
Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.
They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup
The rebuild could be in place by 2023
Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards
It's not an insurmountable problem
Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.
They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
neither keeper is up to scratch tbh Aaron Browne is the coming man
Tipp County Board have a key decision to make in the coming few months which will affect the fortunes of tipp hurling well into this decade.
do they give Sheedy 2/3 years to rebuild
if he doesn't want it
do they recruit from within the existing management ?
or do they go bullheaded for Cahill whos 2 years is up with Waterford at the end of this campaign ?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup
The rebuild could be in place by 2023
Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards
It's not an insurmountable problem
Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.
They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2021, 03:52:28 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup
The rebuild could be in place by 2023
Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards
It's not an insurmountable problem
Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.
They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.
Waterford won't be able to run through the Limerick defence like they have the last two weekends.
Tipp got joy out of bypassing this and knocking the highball down to oncoming runners in the first half of the Munster final. Limerick put a stop to that in the end. Waterford might need a plan B as well. Gleeson is decent in the air but will need to bag a goal or two if his knee isn't bolloxed.
It'll be interesting to see how this new Cork fare against a hard hitting Kilkenny..
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2021, 03:52:28 PM
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Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup
The rebuild could be in place by 2023
Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards
It's not an insurmountable problem
Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.
They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.
You'd swear Limerick invented the running game
The reality is that tipp and galway were found out this year because they had the greatest number of over 30's in their squads
Tipp had 5 clear cut goal chances in the game v Waterford anytime between 09-19 they would nailed 3/4 of them,but age has caught them in a game of milliseconds
Cork had 10 of the u21eam beaten by tipp in 18,tipp had one
Galway are a disjointed shambles since the league ended,Canning might not be the last of their retirements either,1 all ireland is a poor return for that team.
O'Neill looks increasingly like a dead man walking,Lynskeyis the only and obvious choice for them
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Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!
I wonder will the football, match that next? :P
Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.
Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.
If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup
The rebuild could be in place by 2023
Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards
It's not an insurmountable problem
Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.
They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.
You'd swear Limerick invented the running game
The reality is that tipp and galway were found out this year because they had the greatest number of over 30's in their squads
Tipp had 5 clear cut goal chances in the game v Waterford anytime between 09-19 they would nailed 3/4 of them,but age has caught them in a game of milliseconds
Cork had 10 of the u21eam beaten by tipp in 18,tipp had one
Galway are a disjointed shambles since the league ended,Canning might not be the last of their retirements either,1 all ireland is a poor return for that team.
O'Neill looks increasingly like a dead man walking,Lynskeyis the only and obvious choice for them
You'd think they'd either go with O'Donoghue or failing that Lynskey considering the job he's done with the minors and now U20's.
There may be a bit of internal politics in not going for O'Donoghue again.
WRT Cork, they were in a pretty non-competitive place against the serious AI contenders and really had to make the drastic changes that Kingston made. He was unpopular for doing it but has been proved right but we'll know a lot more about this project and where it's at this weekend.
Is Sheedy the man to tell a few senior Tipp lads thanks but no thanks for 2022?
He comes across as a ruthless wee bollox at times but maybe he's got too much gra for the likes of the McGraths, Callanan and possibly Paudie Maher and co.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231
Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231
Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.
Why are we so quick to not only write off a team but also its game plan when they get beaten. Waterford havent won anything yet unlike tipp.
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231
Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.
The body can only take so much, that hard running at players involves a lot of impact, a few players looked to have taken some hits for Waterford last weekend, you can only take so much, the recover time is very limited.
I expect Limerick to get through and face Cork!!
Quote from: didlyi on August 04, 2021, 09:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231
Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.
Why are we so quick to not only write off a team but also its game plan when they get beaten. Waterford havent won anything yet unlike tipp.
That Tipp team were expected to be there or there abouts at the shake up in the final stages of the AI.
They rode their luck against Clare (who have been badly underestimated all year), got absolutely decimated by Limerick in a half of hurling that will live on in our memories for a long time and then were meant to regroup only for Waterford to blitz them again with similar tactic's to Limericks. They did well to get the game back down to 3 points, only for Waterford to open up the winning margin again.
I wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater just yet but fundamental changes need made in Tipp if they are to remain at the top. Some of the subs have shown the players may be there to keep them in the higher echelons but they need a manager to trust them.
Hurling is always evolving and Tipp need to evolve as well.
I'm still not convinced by Kilkenny and if they've evolved their gameplan but we'll know more about them this weekend when Cork try to run through them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 04, 2021, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231
Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.
The body can only take so much, that hard running at players involves a lot of impact, a few players looked to have taken some hits for Waterford last weekend, you can only take so much, the recover time is very limited.
I expect Limerick to get through and face Cork!!
Limerick and to a lesser extent Waterford are direct runners, happy to go into contact and offload to a runner off the shoulder, Cork are different, they avoid contact and that probably suits their current age and physique team profile.
Kilkenny love and thrive on the physicality, less so chasing shadows..
Quote from: johnnycool on August 04, 2021, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 04, 2021, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231
Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.
The body can only take so much, that hard running at players involves a lot of impact, a few players looked to have taken some hits for Waterford last weekend, you can only take so much, the recover time is very limited.
I expect Limerick to get through and face Cork!!
Limerick and to a lesser extent Waterford are direct runners, happy to go into contact and offload to a runner off the shoulder, Cork are different, they avoid contact and that probably suits their current age and physique team profile.
Kilkenny love and thrive on the physicality, less so chasing shadows..
Cork have the youngest average age out of the 4.
The Deise have lost 2 finals. Maybe this is their year.
They won't lose the final this year unfortunately. It'll be the semi final.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 04, 2021, 04:32:23 PM
They won't lose the final this year unfortunately. It'll be the semi final.
That's my feeling too.
The other game could go either way.
If Brian Gavin was still refereeing, Kilkenny would win by a bucket load.. ;D
Great to see the Artane band back in Croke Park. Was this because of the clarification following Zappone's party.
Is a player allowed just to throw the ball out in front of themselves when they've already taken their two touches?
Limerick get scores so much easier
Fair play to the Ref, letting them play.
Refreshing at least from a neutral standpoint
Why is there no sponsors name on Limerick's jerseys?
Referee keeping Waterford in the match.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 07, 2021, 06:31:22 PM
Why is there no sponsors name on Limerick's jerseys?
Billionaire was too long?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 07, 2021, 05:53:54 PM
Is a player allowed just to throw the ball out in front of themselves when they've already taken their two touches?
Limerick get scores so much easier
Footballers do it too, if it's a 'throw' then it's a foul, if it's a 'dropping' of the ball then that's all it is
Limerick look unstoppable
Quote from: armaghniac on August 07, 2021, 07:04:59 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 07, 2021, 06:31:22 PM
Why is there no sponsors name on Limerick's jerseys?
Billionaire was too long?
Aww right. Thanks for explaining that. In fairness though there's worse ways he could be spending his money 💰
There is no beating Limerick in this years championship. Tomorrows game is just to decide who gets tthe honour of losing to them.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 07, 2021, 05:53:54 PM
Is a player allowed just to throw the ball out in front of themselves when they've already taken their two touches?
Limerick get scores so much easier
The hallmark of great teams it seems. Kilkenny and Sheeflin in particular did this a lot.
A throw is a throw.
Doesn't matter if it's to another player (now 50% of handpasses) or out in front of yourself
Incredible game
Both physical and very skillful.
Great job by the referee, he is letting them play.
Good game so far and really enjoy Brendan Cummins on the co commentry
Ger Canning and him are so much better and less annoying that Marty
What was the Cork defender at, what an idiot!!
Horgan could have sealed the game with that 65 to go 4 up. Now Kilkenny have the momentum for extra time with that late goal.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2021, 05:06:59 PM
What was the Cork defender at, what an idiot!!
Just get rid of it and the game was over. Pissing around with it instead of belting it to the other end of the pitch.
I don't envy anybody who'd have to stand in goals for a penalty shootout in hurling
KK aren't good enough.
Tj Reid has been keeping them afloat this few years.
Quote from: seafoid on August 08, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
KK aren't good enough.
Walter was brought on, you know things are grim
Cody being Cody, John Donnelly off at HT harshly enough I thought & then was it Keoghan on at HT and off 15 mins later?
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2021, 05:59:28 PM
Tj Reid has been keeping them afloat this few years.
The problem of the truly great teams is the mediocrity
that follows eg Barca, Man Utd, AC Milan, Kilkenny, 80s Kerry
and, le cúnamh Dé , BÁC.
Days like today are the price of Shefflin's last few allstars.
Great semi final... sets up a different playing final of sorts, physically Limerick will batter Cork in the challenges/tussles/rucks but that's it, if Cork could sharpen up their shot selections and move the ball in the rucks they have a chance.
I'm still thinking Limerick by 6 but Cork have improved. Patrick Horgan was laser sharp today
Quote from: seafoid on August 08, 2021, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2021, 05:59:28 PM
Tj Reid has been keeping them afloat this few years.
The problem of the truly great teams is the mediocrity
that follows eg Barca, Man Utd, AC Milan, Kilkenny, 80s Kerry
and, le cúnamh Dé , BÁC.
Days like today are the price of Shefflin's last few allstars.
The quality production line in KK seems to have gone at minor and U20, though they are still dominating the schools.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 08, 2021, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 08, 2021, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2021, 05:59:28 PM
Tj Reid has been keeping them afloat this few years.
The problem of the truly great teams is the mediocrity
that follows eg Barca, Man Utd, AC Milan, Kilkenny, 80s Kerry
and, le cúnamh Dé , BÁC.
Days like today are the price of Shefflin's last few allstars.
The quality production line in KK seems to have gone at minor and U20, though they are still dominating the schools.
No u20/21 all ireland since 2008
No minor since 2014
The production line is long gone
Never underestimate Cork when it comes to finals and yes, this is new territory for most barring Harnedy and Horgan and maybe the Cadogans but they answered a few doubters yesterday when Kilkenny do what they do, hung on and got the draw. Cork were the ones to kick on in extra time and that's a mentality thing as much as fitness which will be pleasing for Kingston senior and the management team.
Problem is they're up against a very strong, quick and powerful Limerick who have very few weaknesses to exploit. Waterford tried to go toe to toe with them and run out of puff after 20 to 25 minutes, kind of understandable if you've been out for 4 weeks on the bounce but hitting off bigger men even if you seem to be getting joy will only last so long.
Cork play a similar game to Limerick in that they like to work it out to midfield and if there's no space to run through will stray a pass out in front of their two man FF line. Worked a treat yesterday and negated Paudie Walsh as the sweeper for most of the time. Limerick will look to stop this in the Cork half and if they don't get turn over ball (like rugby FFS) then the ball in will be longer and higher which their defence to date have gobbled up.
Hard to look past Limerick but Cork have a punchers chance.
As for the Cats, they shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater although I think Cody should quit and let the team move on as IMO they're still between two styles and reliant on high ball into TJ and then Walter when he came on and Cork who're not renowned for their aerial prowess dealt well with it after a few early scares.
In Eoin Cody, Lawlor and a few others they've still hurlers at the highest level but Cody's go to men were Walter, TJ and Richie Hogan and little impact of the bench means Kilkenny have to go digging into their club scene for suitable replacements as the underage teams especially the U20's were made little boys off by Galway in the Leinster championship.
Obviously it will be near impossible to get tickets for the game, but what is the ticket allocation going to be?
Was there talk of it going to 40,000?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2021, 10:05:52 AM
Obviously it will be near impossible to get tickets for the game, but what is the ticket allocation going to be?
Was there talk of it going to 40,000?
Cork could take that on their own FFS not to mention Limerick having a big support of big proportions as well.
I think a lot of these events are deemed trial events and the attendance is in agreement with the HSE based on Covid rates at whatever time so I can't see Croke Park confirming that number for another while yet.
Casey free to play in the AI final as the referee chose to take the word of one of the umpires and not the more senior linesman on duty that day....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40358369.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40358369.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Never knew that was a thing but there you go, the rules of the game change all the time..
Quote from: johnnycool on August 13, 2021, 09:27:13 AM
Casey free to play in the AI final as the referee chose to take the word of one of the umpires and not the more senior linesman on duty that day....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40358369.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40358369.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Never knew that was a thing but there you go, the rules of the game change all the time..
What's the point of asking his umpire then? Can of fecking worms
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 13, 2021, 09:27:13 AM
Casey free to play in the AI final as the referee chose to take the word of one of the umpires and not the more senior linesman on duty that day....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40358369.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40358369.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Never knew that was a thing but there you go, the rules of the game change all the time..
What's the point of asking his umpire then? Can of fecking worms
Correct. Big Can of Worms.
Umpires are supposed to have no say are they not?
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 13, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
Umpires are supposed to have no say are they not?
They can't nor linesmen also have a live call on a 'free' they can call in and inform the referee on what they have seen, after it has happened. On that discussion be it linesman or umpire the referee has the sole decision to make a call once informed of the facts. But it has to be a straight answer, no maybes.
They'll be shouting at the ref's now when the umpire makes a call ffs!! stupid
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 13, 2021, 12:48:36 PM
Of course they have a say.
Yeah, they have a say but if it contradicts the linesman then their say is of less importance and the referee must do with the linesman.
I was at that game and it was blatantly obvious that was a point...
In fact a point or a wide but I think a point and in defense it was obvious to everyone.
I've seen that happen a few times. Difference there is sometimes umpires get in bad positions and easier seen from out the field.
(The reverse can maybe hold too mind you)
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don't care what they're going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway
Common sense prevailed. Very little on Casey incident.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 10:06:45 PM
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don't care what they're going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway
I hoped you would understand that I wasn't contesting the decision but bringing a relevant previous incident into the discussion about the hierarchy of match officials. Alas, I gave you too much credit.
Indeed, I even agreed that a linesman's opinion should carry more weight than an umpire's. You seem to disagree with this or at least believe that it opens a can of worms. I'd be interested in hearing more about that.
The best person in the right position with best account is the one you listen to, there's no hierarchy, in fact the umpire is a trusted friend who'll have covered all your games, by the same token I've overruled decisions because I've felt someone else, like the linesman/fourth official is in a better position.
linesman position themselves to help the umpires.
There's a difference between an off the ball incident and a point being scored or not. People/players/managers and referees get it wrong sometimes.
I agree on that. It's no can of worms at all.
In all the courses we've carried out over the years there's never been a mention of using a linesman's decision over an umpires call. It's about the right information from the person best placed to having seen it.
In this case the linesman probably was, but more confusing is they are all wired up and speaking continuously throughout the game, if the ref is going to make a big call like that you'd like to think he ask for everyone's opinion?
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
We got one, youse must be 4 times a bigger club!! Or Down allocation went to hurling only clubs
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
We got one, youse must be 4 times a bigger club!! Or Down allocation went to hurling only clubs
Antrim hurling clubs received one ticket each.
In tonights U20 All-Ireland final
Cork 4-19 Galway 2-14
Thats Corks 2nd U20 All-Ireland title in 6 weeks.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
We got one, youse must be 4 times a bigger club!! Or Down allocation went to hurling only clubs
Tickets only went to hurling clubs - we only got 2 though. Ards bias being shown there ;D
Do Cork have a chance?
Realistically they don't, though Horgan will keep the scoreboard ticking over as Limerick will give up frees, Cork create goal chances, but they need to convert at least 3 of them, but how do they stop Limerick racking up 30 points?
I have my doubts tbh. Good win for them in the u20. They were a good bit better than Galway who really seemed to drop the head after the fourth goal.
Cork have some pace at them. If they can try to get at Limerick with that but it's not like they're any slouches.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 19, 2021, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
We got one, youse must be 4 times a bigger club!! Or Down allocation went to hurling only clubs
Tickets only went to hurling clubs - we only got 2 though. Ards bias being shown there ;D
There's three Ards clubs out of the total dozen or so hurling clubs whom I presume got 4 as well irrespective of status and proper order..
You Antrim hoors have probably given the Ulster Council a load as you're good at giving them everything for the sniff of a new shiny thing.. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 19, 2021, 12:26:59 PM
I have my doubts tbh. Good win for them in the u20. They were a good bit better than Galway who really seemed to drop the head after the fourth goal.
Cork have some pace at them. If they can try to get at Limerick with that but it's not like they're any slouches.
Limerick hammered the Cork puck-out the last day in Munster with Collins given no options. Going short the receivers were turned over quite a bit, going long was just meat and drink to the Limerick half backs.. Cork need to solve that as Limerick will shoot on sight for points so Collins will have the ball in his hand 30 plus times in the game from restarts.
Can't see Limerick allowing Coleman to prance about at the back, spraying passes all over the place and hitting balls in front of the front two for Cork. Finn has had Horgans number in recent years, if Horgan wants his AI medal he'll have to get passed Finn and hit the rigging a few times.
If the referee starts blowing for the pulling and dragging in the middle third that'll work in Corks favour but as someone already says Limerick are no slouches either....
Hard to look past Limerick unless they have another bad period like in the Tipp game but hard to see Cork having the physicality to break tackles to get the speedsters going.
I would say Limerick by 5-10 points tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 20, 2021, 11:37:41 AM
I would say Limerick by 5-10 points tbh.
That's where my heads at as well.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 20, 2021, 08:43:02 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 19, 2021, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
We got one, youse must be 4 times a bigger club!! Or Down allocation went to hurling only clubs
Tickets only went to hurling clubs - we only got 2 though. Ards bias being shown there ;D
There's three Ards clubs out of the total dozen or so hurling clubs whom I presume got 4 as well irrespective of status and proper order..
You Antrim hoors have probably given the Ulster Council a load as you're good at giving them everything for the sniff of a new shiny thing.. ;D ;D ;D
I'm not Antrim, in the holy land of Ballela and we got 2.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 20, 2021, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 20, 2021, 08:43:02 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 19, 2021, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
We got one, youse must be 4 times a bigger club!! Or Down allocation went to hurling only clubs
Tickets only went to hurling clubs - we only got 2 though. Ards bias being shown there ;D
There's three Ards clubs out of the total dozen or so hurling clubs whom I presume got 4 as well irrespective of status and proper order..
You Antrim hoors have probably given the Ulster Council a load as you're good at giving them everything for the sniff of a new shiny thing.. ;D ;D ;D
I'm not Antrim, in the holy land of Ballela and we got 2.
It must be related to the number of games you fulfill. Only joking.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 20, 2021, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 20, 2021, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 20, 2021, 08:43:02 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 19, 2021, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
How are tickets distributed for this game? Do the two counties get tickets between them?
I believe all clubs (up here anyways) got one ticket, the rest divided up with sponsors and the two counties
we got 4 to buy obviously.
We got one, youse must be 4 times a bigger club!! Or Down allocation went to hurling only clubs
Tickets only went to hurling clubs - we only got 2 though. Ards bias being shown there ;D
There's three Ards clubs out of the total dozen or so hurling clubs whom I presume got 4 as well irrespective of status and proper order..
You Antrim hoors have probably given the Ulster Council a load as you're good at giving them everything for the sniff of a new shiny thing.. ;D ;D ;D
I'm not Antrim, in the holy land of Ballela and we got 2.
It must be related to the number of games you fulfill. Only joking.
Antrim Hurling clubs got 1 ticket each.
Something fishy there. Our club (in Laois) got two. We're hurling only, so never get football tickets.
Quote from: burdizzo on August 20, 2021, 11:05:36 PM
Something fishy there. Our club (in Laois) got two. We're hurling only, so never get football tickets.
Only 42,000 given, 12 to each county, rest divided up between counties, county players, inter county ref's, sponsors and so on, I'd say all allocations of tickets will be shit this year
Silly question coming up......
What is the difference between 42k and 84K?
I mean a lot of people is a lot of people.
After you go above a certain number is it not all the same?
Is this all for prosthetics? Don't want to be seen taking the piss?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 20, 2021, 11:36:17 PM
Silly question coming up......
What is the difference between 42k and 84K?
I mean a lot of people is a lot of people.
After you go above a certain number is it not all the same?
Is this all for prosthetics? Don't want to be seen taking the piss?
Probably is the fairest answer to that, especially considering the numbers rising
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 20, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on August 20, 2021, 11:05:36 PM
Something fishy there. Our club (in Laois) got two. We're hurling only, so never get football tickets.
Only 42,000 given, 12 to each county, rest divided up between counties, county players, inter county ref's, sponsors and so on, I'd say all allocations of tickets will be shit this year
I assume that'll how the football will be given out also - 12,000 each.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2021, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 20, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on August 20, 2021, 11:05:36 PM
Something fishy there. Our club (in Laois) got two. We're hurling only, so never get football tickets.
Only 42,000 given, 12 to each county, rest divided up between counties, county players, inter county ref's, sponsors and so on, I'd say all allocations of tickets will be shit this year
I assume that'll how the football will be given out also - 12,000 each.
I'd assume so...
This Cork minor team are streets ahead of Galway... with the under 20's and now monitors winning tomorrow may be too early for the seniors, but a great conveyor belt of talented youngsters coming through
Looks like the Covid fear is getting the better of both Limerick and Cork fans.
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Tough one to call. Cork by 2. They need 3 goals. Limerick don't score many score many goals.
As Covid-19 restrictions wouldn't allow the traditional jubilee team roll of honour ceremony to take place, Wexford's 1996 winning captain brings the Liam MacCarthy Cup to the plinth before the All-Ireland hurling final.
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It's funny feeling sorry for Cork
0 all Irelands in the 2010s. Du jamais vu.
Langers for falling back so far as well.
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2021, 03:35:42 PM
It's funny feeling sorry for Cork
0 all Irelands in the 2010s. Du jamais vu.
Langers for falling back so far as well.
The players strike of 2007/8 brought Cork to a place they never returned from.
This is up there with KK's first half against Waterford in '08.
Cork are hardly playing badly either. Stayed in touch, just for the first quarter and have then just got blown out.
Limerick flying but do we really want a team getting fifty points in an AIF??
Cian Lynch is playing at a level in this I'm not sure any other hurler in history had reached. His awareness and vision is breathtaking.
Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2021, 04:10:49 PM
Cian Lynch is playing at a level in this I'm not sure any other hurler in history had reached. His awareness and vision is breathtaking.
Absolutely incredible
This is just hurling perfection
Wow, just wow
Quote from: screenexile on August 22, 2021, 04:07:18 PM
Limerick flying but do we really want a team getting fifty points in an AIF??
I agree but I'm here at it and it's just been awesome watching that display from Limerick.
It does maybe ruin it for the second half as there is no way back from Cork and it could end up any score but it was mesmerising being here and seeing it live.
I must say, the Sky Sports commentary and analysis has been a lot more enjoyable to listen to in contrast to RTE. Marty Morrissey just doesn't do it for me.
Limerick are like Kilkenny were in the past.
Cork will have to look to the future. They won both under 20 and minor all irelands easily but today will not be their day.
Whatever happened to Corks traditional blood and bandages hooped goalkeeper jersey? It hasn't featured in any of the 3 hurling finals this week.
Quote from: laoislad on August 22, 2021, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 22, 2021, 04:07:18 PM
Limerick flying but do we really want a team getting fifty points in an AIF??
I agree but I'm here at it and it's just been awesome watching that display from Limerick.
It does maybe ruin it for the second half as there is no way back from Cork and it could end up any score but it was mesmerising being here and seeing it live.
I'm not having a dig at either team really and Limerick have been phenomenal but this new sliotar is obviously making it easier to score from further out and making a lot of defending redundant the kind of scores being racked up is too much and making it a lot like basketball!
Cork would have been.better off losing the semi final.by a point.
Getting that hammering does them no favours.
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2020, 05:48:49 PM
Limerick won't be back next year.
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 29, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Limerick won't be back next year? How do you figure that one?
Because the energy levels required to.retain the All Ireland have been beyond them, Tipp and Galway in recent years
It comes down to intensity. Plus next year is 6 months away
Good man Seafoid ;D
I'd a seat in the Davin Stand today, the movement from Limericks forwards was something else, the first touch streets ahead of Cork, the halftime score would win two games!
Struggling to see how Cork will come back next year, the physicality was poles apart also, Corks fullback tall and lean, Limericks tall and brickshitouse, the match ups didn't work today.. not sure who'll challenge
It's too easy to say say they're like the Kilkenny team because of the dominance, but Kilkenny, as ridiculous as it sounds, were never this far ahead of the pack. Limerick are on a different planet to every other county bar none. It could be years before anyone catches them.
Blitzkrieg #Limerick
I have said before and it's not exactly news but this Limerick team are unbeatable
Semi professionalism is a truly unhealthy thing for Gaelic Games
Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2021, 05:59:19 PM
It's too easy to say say they're like the Kilkenny team because of the dominance, but Kilkenny, as ridiculous as it sounds, were never this far ahead of the pack. Limerick are on a different planet to every other county bar none. It could be years before anyone catches them.
Kilkenny just got some great players all at the one time. (Plus a great manager). As can be seen some of them were irreplaceable. Limerick are a bit like the dubs and have a factory line and a "process" in place. They are just streets ahead of the rest.
Cork need to do a load of conditioning work to get to that level. Too many wee light boys.
Cork minors yesterday didn't look like wee light boys. Game done changed!
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 22, 2021, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2021, 05:59:19 PM
It's too easy to say say they're like the Kilkenny team because of the dominance, but Kilkenny, as ridiculous as it sounds, were never this far ahead of the pack. Limerick are on a different planet to every other county bar none. It could be years before anyone catches them.
Kilkenny just got some great players all at the one time. (Plus a great manager). As can be seen some of them were irreplaceable. Limerick are a bit like the dubs and have a factory line and a "process" in place. They are just streets ahead of the rest.
Cork need to do a load of conditioning work to get to that level. Too many wee light boys.
A factory line? 12 that started today started in 2018, 14 of last year's team started.... They are a freak generational team just enjoy them.
Just in the door from the match, hadn't the time to look at my phone while I was there. If was a privilege to be there to see that 1st display... Still buzzing
Up the Treaty..
Quote from: Boycey on August 22, 2021, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 22, 2021, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2021, 05:59:19 PM
It's too easy to say say they're like the Kilkenny team because of the dominance, but Kilkenny, as ridiculous as it sounds, were never this far ahead of the pack. Limerick are on a different planet to every other county bar none. It could be years before anyone catches them.
Kilkenny just got some great players all at the one time. (Plus a great manager). As can be seen some of them were irreplaceable. Limerick are a bit like the dubs and have a factory line and a "process" in place. They are just streets ahead of the rest.
Cork need to do a load of conditioning work to get to that level. Too many wee light boys.
A factory line? 12 that started today started in 2018, 14 of last year's team started.... They are a freak generational team just enjoy them.
Just in the door from the match, hadn't the time to look at my phone while I was there. If was a privilege to be there to see that 1st display... Still buzzing
Up the Treaty..
They're a young team but will still need some fresh faces to keep ahead of the pack. Their U20's gave Cork the only game they had this year.
That was some first half of hurling all the same, sit back and enjoy them but I do think they're the top dogs for another few years...
Miles ahead of everyone else. Great team , every aspect of them from physical prowess to skill
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 22, 2021, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2021, 05:59:19 PM
It's too easy to say say they're like the Kilkenny team because of the dominance, but Kilkenny, as ridiculous as it sounds, were never this far ahead of the pack. Limerick are on a different planet to every other county bar none. It could be years before anyone catches them.
Kilkenny just got some great players all at the one time. (Plus a great manager). As can be seen some of them were irreplaceable. Limerick are a bit like the dubs and have a factory line and a "process" in place. They are just streets ahead of the rest.
Cork need to do a load of conditioning work to get to that level. Too many wee light boys.
Nah, Kilkenny kept the team successful and refreshed largely from 1998 through 2016. Everyone was replaceable, and replaced, until the last half decade or so. With the exception of the 2000 (Offaly were finished at that stage) and the 2008 final, where they were given added impetus by Davy being a twat, they weren't close to being as far ahead of the pack as Limerick are currently. In 2006 Cork were expected to do the three in a row and were caught on the hop, they had two all time classics with Tipp in 2009 and 2014, and another draw with Galway thrown in for good measure in 2012. Playing at their absolute peak, teams still gave them a game.
Limerick are simply on an absolutely different planet at the minute. If they play like they did today, there's not a team in the country who has a sniff of a chance against them.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2021, 06:52:16 PM
Semi professionalism is a truly unhealthy thing for Gaelic Games
Are you saying limerick lads are getting paid?
The current Limerick side is probably the greatest hurling team of all time. So far ahead of the rest, there has never been such a gulf between one team and the rest. I can't see any team getting up to their level for the next 2 or 3 years.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 22, 2021, 08:29:23 PM
Miles ahead of everyone else. Great team , every aspect of them from physical prowess to skill
Can see Horgan retiring for Cork after today. That was demoralising on Cork today. Very open in the backs but an incredible outfit up against in fairness.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Brian Cody step away from Kilkenny as well. Not within an asses roar of an Ireland in next 4-5 years. I'd be surprised if Limerick don't win next year at a canter like they did today.
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Quote from: hoynevalley on August 22, 2021, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2021, 06:52:16 PM
Semi professionalism is a truly unhealthy thing for Gaelic Games
Are you saying limerick lads are getting paid?
Like Dublin footballers, they've a commitment to strength and conditioning, and an understanding of integrated team play and tactics, that just seems to be too advanced, too dedicated, for men who would have to prioritise "real world" commitments over sport.
Am I saying they're getting paid? No. Am I saying that they must have an work / life balance that is unusually enabled, to allow this? Yes I guess I am.
They are well backed by local by JP McManus and goodlucknto them that they could avail of a local businessman
The Dublin footballers were well backed by the GAA which is different
Was Mike Ashley at the match today?
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Limerick's Aaron Gillane celebrates his goal at Croke Park on Sunday. Photograph: Tom Honan
The writing was on the wall at an early stage. We knew that this final was going to be about Limerick because if they brought their best, their A game, Cork wouldn't be able to live with it because no other county could live with it.
Gearóid Hegarty set the tone with a goal in the second minute, and although the response was commendable and immediate, Shane Kingston's well-taken goal was already about keeping Cork afloat, and the signs were ominous as early as the opening 10 minutes.
Limerick were hugely physical, as expected, and that impacted everywhere. The Cork puck-out was smothered, with the backs getting into trouble – their touch letting them down a little bit on occasion – and that forced Patrick Collins to go long and those restarts were simply eaten up by dominant opponents.
Lynch was exceptional, scoring 0-6 from play and giving two beautiful passes for the Hegarty goals. His touch, awareness and bravery make him a phenomenal hurler
There was consensus in the lead-up that Cork needed goals because they wouldn't get enough ball to win by scoring points, but you also need the ball to score goals. In the first half, Limerick maintained the pattern of the second half of the Munster final and the matches since, playing unbelievable hurling.
They were on top in all areas of the field. The defence settled down, Seán Finn and Dan Morrissey, their half backs, began to dominate and Will O'Donoghue and Darragh O'Donovan worked hard to set up link play and up front Cian Lynch was Cian Lynch.
Cork had a problem as anticipated: what were they to do about him? Mark Coleman likes to stand off him and play hurling but you can't afford to stand off Lynch. Now, I don't know who they had to mark him. I think they probably didn't have anyone – but really, no one has anyone to do that job the way he's playing.
He was exceptional, scoring 0-6 from play and giving two beautiful passes for the Hegarty goals. His touch, awareness and bravery make him a phenomenal hurler.
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He's only 25 but he has three All-Ireland medals and is on course to become one of the greatest hurlers ever seen, fulfilling the immense promise he's shown all the way up through his Fitzgibbon Cup days with Mary I.
Cork's Seán O'Donoghue and Aaron Gillane of Limerick in action during the GAA All-Ireland SHC final at Croke Park on Sunday. Photograph: Tom Honan
Yesterday he was conducting the orchestra, running the show. When they have been under real pressure this year and particularly in the first half of the Munster final against Tipperary, when the ship was in danger of running aground, he was the one who kept it off the rocks. Hurler of the Year – without a shadow of a doubt.
You'd have to say that it was one of the greatest first halves in an All-Ireland final by any team. The only blot was the injury to Peter Casey, who might have been up for Man of the Match himself after a display scoring 0-5 and, but for having to go off, would have pressed his claims further.
There were huge performances everywhere: Gillane, Tom Morrissey, Gearóid Hegarty with 2-2 despite not being at his very best, Declan Hannon directing at the back. In my lifetime, they're up there with the very best, bearing comparison even at this stage with the great Kilkenny team of the recent past.
It's hard for Cork to find positives. Their game broke down under the stress
But for an aberration in an All-Ireland semi-final in 2019 – against Kilkenny – they could be a four-in-a-row team now. If they keep hitting those levels, it's hard to see who's coming to challenge them.
From a Cork perspective they needed to go off-script and really fire up the Cork crowd, who created unbelievable noise for a half-capacity crowd of 40,000, during the pre-match parade. I hadn't heard that sort of clamour before.
If they had been able to harness that, they might have been able to get to Limerick, but that was simply asking too much after a semi-final when they had effectively drawn with Kilkenny and bearing in mind the clear edge Munster hurling has had this year against Leinster counties.
Ultimately that probably wasn't good enough form.
It's hard for Cork to find positives. Their game broke down under the stress. Their puck-outs struggled and they couldn't get enough possession. Simple hand passes went astray. We saw Luke Meade and Damien Cahalane, with opportunities to get hand passes away and create some forward movement, fail to execute under pressure from Limerick.
Whether Cork were the second-best team in the championship is in a way irrelevant, such is the gulf that now exists between Limerick and the rest
Effectively their spirit was broken and the second half became a face-saving mission. They had two chances of a second goal but there wasn't much conviction left. They had skill and they had pace but couldn't match the physical power of the champions and the pressure exerted in the middle third.
Flanagan and Gillane also exerted huge pressure on the short puck-out and, combined with the poor touch and nervousness, made it really hard for Cork to clear their lines. Corner backs in particular have no chance defending the quality of ball that was coming in.
It was a tough finale for Cork. Whether they were the second-best team in the championship is in a way irrelevant, such is the gulf that now exists between Limerick and the rest. The sense of renewal you get after an All-Ireland and the looking forward to next year isn't as obvious this year.
You have to congratulate an outstanding team with outstanding management, playing textbook hurling. The bar has been set very high.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2021, 09:43:03 PM
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How do you stop a player like that, a giant, with bundles of skill and ability and athleticism. A joy to watch.
Possibly unstoppable , damage limitation exercise.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 22, 2021, 10:24:21 PM
They are well backed by local by JP McManus and goodlucknto them that they could avail of a local businessman
The Dublin footballers were well backed by the GAA which is different
Unreal.... Dublin GAA, the county get funding for the promotion and development of the games and players for underage, usually mini leagues/ primary school.
The Dublin senior Footballers get nothing from the GAA.
JP McManus is not a local business man in the traditional sense sponsoring a local Junior football team, he is a Billionaire tax exile that has pumped huge amounts of money into Limerick.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 23, 2021, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 22, 2021, 10:24:21 PM
They are well backed by local by JP McManus and goodlucknto them that they could avail of a local businessman
The Dublin footballers were well backed by the GAA which is different
Unreal.... Dublin GAA, the county get funding for the promotion and development of the games and players for underage, usually mini leagues/ primary school.
The Dublin senior Footballers get nothing from the GAA.
JP McManus is not a local business man in the traditional sense sponsoring a local Junior football team, he is a Billionaire tax exile that has pumped huge amounts of money into Limerick.
His local club is South Liberties GAA, the colours are used by his racing horses. He's a club member. What's not local? There are plenty of wealthy members who 'look after' their clubs. Dublin doesn't have the monopoly on rich members pumping money in
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They are well backed by local by JP McManus and goodlucknto them that they could avail of a local businessman
The Dublin footballers were well backed by the GAA which is different
Unreal.... Dublin GAA, the county get funding for the promotion and development of the games and players for underage, usually mini leagues/ primary school.
The Dublin senior Footballers get nothing from the GAA.
JP McManus is not a local business man in the traditional sense sponsoring a local Junior football team, he is a Billionaire tax exile that has pumped huge amounts of money into Limerick.
His local club is South Liberties GAA, the colours are used by his racing horses. He's a club member. What's not local? There are plenty of wealthy members who 'look after' their clubs. Dublin doesn't have the monopoly on rich members pumping money in
Yeah I know he is , My point was on wealth, you know what i meant, its not just Jim and Bros Building company sponsoring the local team down the road, its a Billionaire business man pumping millions into it.
I have no problem with it myself, again just pointing out the hypocrisy of it all, its ok in one sense, but when its a certain team its not ok, whether its AIG, JP McManus, Elverys or Kerry Group, whether you train in state of the art facilities or in the local slanty pitch in Kinsealy.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on August 23, 2021, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 22, 2021, 10:24:21 PM
They are well backed by local by JP McManus and goodlucknto them that they could avail of a local businessman
The Dublin footballers were well backed by the GAA which is different
Unreal.... Dublin GAA, the county get funding for the promotion and development of the games and players for underage, usually mini leagues/ primary school.
The Dublin senior Footballers get nothing from the GAA.
JP McManus is not a local business man in the traditional sense sponsoring a local Junior football team, he is a Billionaire tax exile that has pumped huge amounts of money into Limerick.
His local club is South Liberties GAA, the colours are used by his racing horses. He's a club member. What's not local? There are plenty of wealthy members who 'look after' their clubs. Dublin doesn't have the monopoly on rich members pumping money in
Yeah I know he is , My point was on wealth, you know what i meant, its not just Jim and Bros Building company sponsoring the local team down the road, its a Billionaire business man pumping millions into it.
I have no problem with it myself, again just pointing out the hypocrisy of it all, its ok in one sense, but when its a certain team its not ok, whether its AIG, JP McManus, Elverys or Kerry Group, whether you train in state of the art facilities or in the local slanty pitch in Kinsealy.
I think 'their' problem is that Dublin has the bigger numbers from a school age up, those numbers need to be facilitated by the gaa to reflect the numbers attending the clubs and schools, it will always be more financed than Mayo or Tyrone, what other posters were complaining about was the money being 'given' to the Dublin senior team directly or indirectly by the GAA HQ..
I don't know fully the ins and outs of that side of things in fairness, and I'd assume most don't but will have a say about it anyways. But when you have that amount of people playing within Dublin then its always going to reflect on performances and Dublin have taken advantage of having a bigger and better pool of players
Thoughts on the Cian Lynch judo throw? I've seen lots of Dubs on Twitter, including barely literate ones like Johnny Magee, try to turn it into an "if that was John Small..." type story.
FWIW, I think Lynch was perfectly entitled to defend himself after having the hurley wrapped around his neck but his reaction was reckless, dangerous and could have severely injured his opponent. Red all day long for me.
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Thoughts on the Cian Lynch judo throw? I've seen lots of Dubs on Twitter, including barely literate ones like Johnny Magee, try to turn it into an "if that was John Small..." type story.
FWIW, I think Lunch was perfectly entitled to defend himself after having the hurley wrapped around his neck but his reaction was reckless, dangerous and could have severely injured his opponent. Red all day long for me.
Have you a clip of this?
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Thoughts on the Cian Lynch judo throw? I've seen lots of Dubs on Twitter, including barely literate ones like Johnny Magee, try to turn it into an "if that was John Small..." type story.
FWIW, I think Lunch was perfectly entitled to defend himself after having the hurley wrapped around his neck but his reaction was reckless, dangerous and could have severely injured his opponent. Red all day long for me.
Definite red. It was a spear tackle and even in rugby would be a red. Very dangerous.
I thought it was the most dangerous thing I have seen in a while on a hurling pitch-risk of paralysing a man
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Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Thoughts on the Cian Lynch judo throw? I've seen lots of Dubs on Twitter, including barely literate ones like Johnny Magee, try to turn it into an "if that was John Small..." type story.
FWIW, I think Lunch was perfectly entitled to defend himself after having the hurley wrapped around his neck but his reaction was reckless, dangerous and could have severely injured his opponent. Red all day long for me.
Have you a clip of this?
https://twitter.com/KeithGalvin/status/1429479128512835585?s=19
https://twitter.com/unstoppable124/status/1429751362951294984?s=19
Does he do judo or whatever? If so then tbh that is seriously bad form. The guy shouldn't be at him yes but you can't be doing that. If you practise that stuff you are only supposed to ever use it for self defense.
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Thoughts on the Cian Lynch judo throw? I've seen lots of Dubs on Twitter, including barely literate ones like Johnny Magee, try to turn it into an "if that was John Small..." type story.
FWIW, I think Lynch was perfectly entitled to defend himself after having the hurley wrapped around his neck but his reaction was reckless, dangerous and could have severely injured his opponent. Red all day long for me.
Again point proven.
That one was just for you, sweetie :-*
Does anyone know how much McManus has invested into this team ?
Quote from: seafoid on August 23, 2021, 03:27:28 PM
Does anyone know how much McManus has invested into this team ?
I doubt if that was ever disclosed but I'd say they are found wanting for nothing anyway. They have a massive backroom team on a par with Dublin footballers. I remember he gave €100k to every county in Ireland when Limerick won the AI a few years back.
Some will argue that it is different to Dublin in that the money is not given to Limerick by the GAA and you can't really argue with that. Limerick are just incredibly lucky to have a GAA mad wealthy financier who is capabale of funding the whole project.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
Does he do judo or whatever? If so then tbh that is seriously bad form. The guy shouldn't be at him yes but you can't be doing that. If you practise that stuff you are only supposed to ever use it for self defense.
Cork lad threw a bit of a forearm/hurl into his neck so initiated the incident. Not sure about the judo side of things, looks instinctive to grab the arm as he was falling himself to be a judo move but no expert on that side of things.
Two yellows were fine..
No talk about the potential penalty and sin binning of the Cork defender who just wrapped his arms around Guillane preventing a goal scoring opportunity??
Not really much point in talking about incidents the other way lol.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 04:26:08 PM
Not really much point in talking about incidents the other way lol.
Cork were fúcked at that stage. A penalty and 10 minutes with 14 players would have proper fúcked them. I get that but the rules are the rules.
A lot of twitter chat about the handpass and TBH that does need looked at.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 23, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
Does he do judo or whatever? If so then tbh that is seriously bad form. The guy shouldn't be at him yes but you can't be doing that. If you practise that stuff you are only supposed to ever use it for self defense.
Cork lad threw a bit of a forearm/hurl into his neck so initiated the incident. Not sure about the judo side of things, looks instinctive to grab the arm as he was falling himself to be a judo move but no expert on that side of things.
Two yellows were fine..
No talk about the potential penalty and sin binning of the Cork defender who just wrapped his arms around Guillane preventing a goal scoring opportunity??
https://twitter.com/woolberto/status/1429752057511268352?s=21
Quote from: johnnycool on August 23, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 04:26:08 PM
Not really much point in talking about incidents the other way lol.
Cork were fúcked at that stage. A penalty and 10 minutes with 14 players would have proper fúcked them. I get that but the rules are the rules.
A lot of twitter chat about the handpass and TBH that does need looked at.
Yes, the handpass is a joke at this stage. Limerick lads - Cian Lynch, in particular - just throwing it the whole time. I think in the build-up to one of the Limerick scores there were four throws. Ridiculous.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 23, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
Does he do judo or whatever? If so then tbh that is seriously bad form. The guy shouldn't be at him yes but you can't be doing that. If you practise that stuff you are only supposed to ever use it for self defense.
Cork lad threw a bit of a forearm/hurl into his neck so initiated the incident. Not sure about the judo side of things, looks instinctive to grab the arm as he was falling himself to be a judo move but no expert on that side of things.
Two yellows were fine..
No talk about the potential penalty and sin binning of the Cork defender who just wrapped his arms around Guillane preventing a goal scoring opportunity??
Not a 100% sure on the 'judo' claim two lads fouling each other.
No sin bin for me, it was about 5 yards in front of me, he didn't grab his jersey or pull his arms, he was just being a fecking nuisance
Quote from: johnnycool on August 23, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
Does he do judo or whatever? If so then tbh that is seriously bad form. The guy shouldn't be at him yes but you can't be doing that. If you practise that stuff you are only supposed to ever use it for self defense.
Cork lad threw a bit of a forearm/hurl into his neck so initiated the incident. Not sure about the judo side of things, looks instinctive to grab the arm as he was falling himself to be a judo move but no expert on that side of things.
Two yellows were fine..
No talk about the potential penalty and sin binning of the Cork defender who just wrapped his arms around Guillane preventing a goal scoring opportunity??
Ah here, he suplexed/hip tossed him and your man landed on his neck. The fact Lynch was hit first is irrelevant.
Again can't see that he did this 'judo' move on purpose, a reactionary move which in slow mo and multiple angles looks bad, ref/officials get one view.
He bent over and used his strength to drag and toss a guy onto his head...by accident?
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2021, 09:39:16 PM
He bent over and used his strength to drag and toss a guy onto his head...by accident?
I watched it live, in real time and the guy jumped on his back and he threw him off it, I said in slow no and different angles it looks bad but the ref doesn't have that ability.
The key here is the first foul, no first foul no second foul, both deserved cards
Yeah I would agree. It doesn't look good. I don't think that is the move of someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
The key's not the first foul... someone pushes you and you smack them on the mouth the key is the smack on the mouth...
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 09:49:04 PM
The key's not the first foul... someone pushes you and you smack them on the mouth the key is the smack on the mouth...
It's reactionary, a push doesn't result in a punch in the mouth, he was clipped with the hurl and jumped on, the 'throw' at the time didn't look that bad, again it happened fast, hard to call it
That is as blatant a red card as you are likely to see in a season. The only saving grace is that the Cork lad wasn't seriously injured. It may have been instinctive but extremely dangerous. I seem to remember Philly McMahon losing a MOTM award in the 2015 final after the eye gouging incident was highlighted on the Sunday Game that night, the bar appears to be set much higher in hurling for dangerous incidents.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
That is as blatant a red card as you are likely to see in a season. The only saving grace is that the Cork lad wasn't seriously injured. It may have been instinctive but extremely dangerous. I seem to remember Philly McMahon losing a MOTM award in the 2015 final after the eye gouging incident was highlighted on the Sunday Game that night, the bar appears to be set much higher in hurling for dangerous incidents.
So when you watched it, and remember the ball was away from the incident and you think the ref should have given a red?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
That is as blatant a red card as you are likely to see in a season. The only saving grace is that the Cork lad wasn't seriously injured. It may have been instinctive but extremely dangerous. I seem to remember Philly McMahon losing a MOTM award in the 2015 final after the eye gouging incident was highlighted on the Sunday Game that night, the bar appears to be set much higher in hurling for dangerous incidents.
So when you watched it, and remember the ball was away from the incident and you think the ref should have given a red?
Honestly, no but I'm not blaming the ref. Just merely pointing out that if he watches the incident again then it's a red card all day long. The Cork lad is lucky he wasn't seriously injured. I think Lynch knew he had committed a dangerous manoeuvre if you look at his immediate reaction he went down holding his head.
At full speed it seems more instinctive than malicious intent. Sometimes slow motion doesn't help. I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I would 😂
So that's all we can go by, if we watch countless matches in Slow mo or different angles we'd be giving red cards all day!!
I have watched it and it's a deliberate throw, but I've thrown people off and I've been thrown off people, never once thought it was a 'judo' throw or that I didn't expect anything else.
People are claiming he was a judo expert! And yes he reacted as most people in sport do after a foul, feign an injury, though he was clipped and jumped on
It reminded me of a boy from a club just up the road from you in action!
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 10:18:34 PM
It reminded me of a boy from a club just up the road from you in action!
I remember a few judo players back in the day, they were athletic and funny enough no one tackled them too much
I'm not sure he meant to spear him but it was bloody dangerous and careless, honestly very nearly a disaster paralysis, red card for me
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 23, 2021, 11:30:59 PM
I'm not sure he meant to spear him but it was bloody dangerous and careless, honestly very nearly a disaster paralysis, red card for me
Are we hyping this up more than it was? Spearing him? Flip sake, the intent was to throw the player off his back, how he landed was bad and could have been worse, but he didn't (in my view) do it with malice.
He got man of the match and will probably pick up player of the year if he isn't cancelled!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 24, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 23, 2021, 11:30:59 PM
I'm not sure he meant to spear him but it was bloody dangerous and careless, honestly very nearly a disaster paralysis, red card for me
Are we hyping this up more than it was? Spearing him? Flip sake, the intent was to throw the player off his back, how he landed was bad and could have been worse, but he didn't (in my view) do it with malice.
He got man of the match and will probably pick up player of the year if he isn't cancelled!
Thats what I said.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 24, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 23, 2021, 11:30:59 PM
I'm not sure he meant to spear him but it was bloody dangerous and careless, honestly very nearly a disaster paralysis, red card for me
Are we hyping this up more than it was? Spearing him? Flip sake, the intent was to throw the player off his back, how he landed was bad and could have been worse, but he didn't (in my view) do it with malice.
He got man of the match and will probably pick up player of the year if he isn't cancelled!
Thats what I said.
You're saying a red card though.... watching it pitch side it wasn't a red, the repeat views in slow mo would result in at least 5 red cards a game, I still in slow mo don't think its a red, two yellows and move on
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 24, 2021, 09:19:29 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 24, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 23, 2021, 11:30:59 PM
I'm not sure he meant to spear him but it was bloody dangerous and careless, honestly very nearly a disaster paralysis, red card for me
Are we hyping this up more than it was? Spearing him? Flip sake, the intent was to throw the player off his back, how he landed was bad and could have been worse, but he didn't (in my view) do it with malice.
He got man of the match and will probably pick up player of the year if he isn't cancelled!
Thats what I said.
You're saying a red card though.... watching it pitch side it wasn't a red, the repeat views in slow mo would result in at least 5 red cards a game, I still in slow mo don't think its a red, two yellows and move on
A lot of red cards are not intentional, but I just think the effort to throw a man over your shoulder in that way is much worse than the badly timed tap on the face guard/helmet which you see given as a red a lot.
He was motm, followed by Sean Finn.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 23, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
Does he do judo or whatever? If so then tbh that is seriously bad form. The guy shouldn't be at him yes but you can't be doing that. If you practise that stuff you are only supposed to ever use it for self defense.
Cork lad threw a bit of a forearm/hurl into his neck so initiated the incident. Not sure about the judo side of things, looks instinctive to grab the arm as he was falling himself to be a judo move but no expert on that side of things.
Two yellows were fine..
No talk about the potential penalty and sin binning of the Cork defender who just wrapped his arms around Guillane preventing a goal scoring opportunity??
Wasn't much more than bit of wrestling tbh was it?
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jesus at first glance I thought it was a child looking an autograph.
Thrown not Blown,
236 illegal handpasses across 210 minutes of hurling
Read all about it
https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown
(https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown)
Absolutely. Cian Lynch is great and all, but he's one of the worst offenders. Hardly ever handpasses it, just throws it. How the hell have we got to this position?!!
Quote from: burdizzo on August 26, 2021, 04:22:57 PM
Absolutely. Cian Lynch is great and all, but he's one of the worst offenders. Hardly ever handpasses it, just throws it. How the hell have we got to this position?!!
"ah shure ref, will ye let it flow?" is exactly how we got here.
Don't get me wrong I love the hurling but it's not just throws are let go - there's some of them top county games and you wonder has the referee lost his whistle. There were a lot of complaints in the league about refs going soft. They were probably just blowing fouls...
I think hurling men are loving it and football men are jealous
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Thrown not Blown,
236 illegal handpasses across 210 minutes of hurling
Read all about it
https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown
(https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown)
I've been saying it for years
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 26, 2021, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Thrown not Blown,
236 illegal handpasses across 210 minutes of hurling
Read all about it
https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown
(https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown)
I've been saying it for years
The same goes for steps and the dodgy handpass in football, very rarely (myself included, as a ref) do we pull it up for exactly more than 4 steps (or time takes for four steps).. nearly every other rule is easier to call
It might go for steps but not for dodgy hand passes.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 26, 2021, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 26, 2021, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Thrown not Blown,
236 illegal handpasses across 210 minutes of hurling
Read all about it
https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown
(https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown)
I've been saying it for years
The same goes for steps and the dodgy handpass in football, very rarely (myself included, as a ref) do we pull it up for exactly more than 4 steps (or time takes for four steps).. nearly every other rule is easier to call
Its among the reasons for the huge scorelinea
Defenders don't havd time to react to a thrown ball
Not a massive hurling fan but I was watching the final last Sunday and noticed this myself. I mean, it was really obvious in some cases. How have more people not picked up on this?
Quote from: tintin25 on August 27, 2021, 08:19:45 AM
Not a massive hurling fan but I was watching the final last Sunday and noticed this myself. I mean, it was really obvious in some cases. How have more people not picked up on this?
From a personal view point it's the positioning of the ref, if he can't see the 'foul' then he can't call it, and when he is in a position to see it clearly he'll call it.
For a ref if it's not a clear hand pass then its actually an easy call, I can't see how they will clean it up in fairness, maybe the linesmen can make that call and help out, so rules would need to come in, again only available if you have linesmen and mic'd up!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 27, 2021, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 27, 2021, 08:19:45 AM
Not a massive hurling fan but I was watching the final last Sunday and noticed this myself. I mean, it was really obvious in some cases. How have more people not picked up on this?
From a personal view point it's the positioning of the ref, if he can't see the 'foul' then he can't call it, and when he is in a position to see it clearly he'll call it.
For a ref if it's not a clear hand pass then its actually an easy call, I can't see how they will clean it up in fairness, maybe the linesmen can make that call and help out, so rules would need to come in, again only available if you have linesmen and mic'd up!
Linesman cannot signal a technical foul afaik
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 27, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 27, 2021, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 27, 2021, 08:19:45 AM
Not a massive hurling fan but I was watching the final last Sunday and noticed this myself. I mean, it was really obvious in some cases. How have more people not picked up on this?
From a personal view point it's the positioning of the ref, if he can't see the 'foul' then he can't call it, and when he is in a position to see it clearly he'll call it.
For a ref if it's not a clear hand pass then its actually an easy call, I can't see how they will clean it up in fairness, maybe the linesmen can make that call and help out, so rules would need to come in, again only available if you have linesmen and mic'd up!
Linesman cannot signal a technical foul afaik
No and that's why I said rules would need to be available to help
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Thrown not Blown,
236 illegal handpasses across 210 minutes of hurling
Read all about it
https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown
(https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown)
It might be useful analysis if it didn't come from Premierview. If they analysed Tipperary it would be 50 total handpasses, 2 thrown handpasses.
Both games yesterday were good for different reasons, Ballygunner were on a mission, their intensity was the very evident in everything they did, relentless pressure from the first whistle, never settled on frees or sidelines, all taken quickly, they looked impressive.
The Tipp final was as I expected, a toss of the coin between them. Thurles looked really good early doors and raced to a good lead, before shipping 1-3 without reply! nip and tuck the rest of the game, they will be busted, hopefully the Munster board will look at their fixtures in hurling and football and allow them time to prepare as a club
A great final in Tipp yesterday. John McGrath is some operator.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2021, 09:19:27 AM
Both games yesterday were good for different reasons, Ballygunner were on a mission, their intensity was the very evident in everything they did, relentless pressure from the first whistle, never settled on frees or sidelines, all taken quickly, they looked impressive.
The Tipp final was as I expected, a toss of the coin between them. Thurles looked really good early doors and raced to a good lead, before shipping 1-3 without reply! nip and tuck the rest of the game, they will be busted, hopefully the Munster board will look at their fixtures in hurling and football and allow them time to prepare as a club
No space in the schedule not that it will bother Loughmore
definitely out the next 2 weeks and if they beat Eire Og next weekend,it will be 3 weekends in a row plus Noel McGraths Wedding somewhere in the middle.
less than 1,000 people in the parish,put out 3 adult hurling teams and 2 adult football teams,their 3 adult hurling team won a divisional junior C and had 35 on the panel
Quote from: clonadmad on November 29, 2021, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2021, 09:19:27 AM
Both games yesterday were good for different reasons, Ballygunner were on a mission, their intensity was the very evident in everything they did, relentless pressure from the first whistle, never settled on frees or sidelines, all taken quickly, they looked impressive.
The Tipp final was as I expected, a toss of the coin between them. Thurles looked really good early doors and raced to a good lead, before shipping 1-3 without reply! nip and tuck the rest of the game, they will be busted, hopefully the Munster board will look at their fixtures in hurling and football and allow them time to prepare as a club
No space in the schedule not that it will bother Loughmore
definitely out the next 2 weeks and if they beat Eire Og next weekend,it will be 3 weekends in a row plus Noel McGraths Wedding somewhere in the middle.
less than 1,000 people in the parish,put out 3 adult hurling teams and 2 adult football teams,their 3 adult hurling team won a divisional junior C and had 35 on the panel
Defo S'neil style parish there. Obviously the Tipp Hurling is as difficult to win as the Derry football championship, but I'd imagine the Tipp football is also difficult?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 29, 2021, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2021, 09:19:27 AM
Both games yesterday were good for different reasons, Ballygunner were on a mission, their intensity was the very evident in everything they did, relentless pressure from the first whistle, never settled on frees or sidelines, all taken quickly, they looked impressive.
The Tipp final was as I expected, a toss of the coin between them. Thurles looked really good early doors and raced to a good lead, before shipping 1-3 without reply! nip and tuck the rest of the game, they will be busted, hopefully the Munster board will look at their fixtures in hurling and football and allow them time to prepare as a club
No space in the schedule not that it will bother Loughmore
definitely out the next 2 weeks and if they beat Eire Og next weekend,it will be 3 weekends in a row plus Noel McGraths Wedding somewhere in the middle.
less than 1,000 people in the parish,put out 3 adult hurling teams and 2 adult football teams,their 3 adult hurling team won a divisional junior C and had 35 on the panel
Defo S'neil style parish there. Obviously the Tipp Hurling is as difficult to win as the Derry football championship, but I'd imagine the Tipp football is also difficult?
16 Team Senior Hurling Championship with 5 different winners of it in the past 5 years, ferociously competitive this year with teams coming out of a 4 team group only to find themselves 5 mins later headed for a relegation semi final as score difference went against them.
12 senior teams in the football,past 5 years Clonmel have won 3 with Moyle Rovers and Loughmore winning one apiece
Loughmore now have 15 county football titles and 4 hurling.
As the previous poster said,an unbelievable club pulling from a tiny population plus their women yesterday helped Drom and Inch to a Munster camogie title.
PwC All-Stars Hurling 2021 (Previous winning years in brackets)
1. Eoin Murphy (Glenmore, Kilkenny) (2016, '18)
2. Seán Finn (Bruff, Limerick) (2018, '19, '20)
3. Conor Prunty (Abbeyside-Ballinacourty, Waterford)
4. Barry Nash (South Liberties, Limerick)
5. Diarmaid Byrnes (Patrickswell, Limerick) (2020)
6. Declan Hannon (Adare, Limerick) (2018)
7. Kyle Hayes (Kildimo/Pallaskenry, Limerick) (2020)
8. Will O'Donoghue (Na Piarsaigh, Limerick)
9. Darragh O'Donovan (Doon, Limerick)
10. Gearoid Hegarty (St Patrick's, Limerick) (2020)
11. Cian Lynch (Patrickswell, Limerick) (2018, 2020)
12. Tom Morrissey (Ahane, Limerick) (2020)
13. Tony Kelly (Ballyea, Clare) (2013, '20)
14. Seamus Flanagan (Feohanagh-Castlemahon, Limerick)
15. Peter Casey (Na Piarsaigh, Limerick)
Not a Cork man on it! hard to argue in fairness and was lucky enough to see them live on the day, outstanding performance but felt over the course of the championship Patrick Horgan, should have been selected
Thought that too. That's probably the most ever from one county I imagine. I wasn't sure on Casey but Flanagan definitely deserved one.
Sean Finn-what a player
Lynch as well. Lynch is on his way to being one of the best ever at current rate.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 11:26:30 AM
Not a Cork man on it! hard to argue in fairness and was lucky enough to see them live on the day, outstanding performance but felt over the course of the championship Patrick Horgan, should have been selected
not buying the Horgan hype TBH.
He was dropped for a few games by Cork, had a decent game against Kilkenny and went to town when the wheels came off the Kilkenny challenge in injury time.
Fine hurler, but needs space that Limerick didn't give him.
Guillane also didn't get one and he'd be more deserving than Horgan IMO.
Murphy in nets is probably my choice too but Quaid run him close and Tony Kelly just had to get one as he nearly got Clare into an AI semi-final only for a great save by the Cork keeper.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 09, 2021, 11:39:52 AM
Thought that too. That's probably the most ever from one county I imagine. I wasn't sure on Casey but Flanagan definitely deserved one.
Previous max in hurling or football was 9.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/hurling-all-stars-limerick-smash-record-with-12-while-cork-are-left-out-1.4750487That record stands for both hurling and football and was previously achieved three times in hurling by Kilkenny in 1983, 2000 and 2008, twice in football by Dublin, last year and 1977, and once by Kerry, in 1981.
The other headline from this year's selection is that Cork have received no awards – the first time this has happened to beaten All-Ireland finalists in the 51 years of the scheme
Under the older rules of the scheme, Peter Casey wouldn't have been selected for getting sent off.
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on December 09, 2021, 08:28:56 PM
Under the older rules of the scheme, Peter Casey wouldn't have been selected for getting sent off.
Overturned on appeal though Cyril..
Leinster champions get 1, in fact the only Leinster representative and whilst I do think Limerick were the dominant force of the championship you need to go into specifics...
Flanagan is probably the only doubtful one in my mind from a Limerick perspective but you could also argue that Dan Morrisey is very unlucky as he was outstanding once introduced to the Limerick team vrs Tipp and from then on it..
Who from Cork deserved their place over the championship campaign?
All subjective..
Who
Or a sign of how poor the standard of hurling is, Limerick aside, the majority of the teams are way off the best teams they ever had.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2021, 12:37:11 AM
Or a sign of how poor the standard of hurling is, Limerick aside, the majority of the teams are way off the best teams they ever had.
That's like saying all the teams trying to beat Dublin these last 7 years were poor, Limerick have taken it to a standard that Kilkenny had during their dominance. Teams need to lift their game, otherwise split Limerick :D
Johnny, Horgan for me deserved one, as did Guillane
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2021, 12:37:11 AM
Or a sign of how poor the standard of hurling is, Limerick aside, the majority of the teams are way off the best teams they ever had.
That's like saying all the teams trying to beat Dublin these last 7 years were poor, Limerick have taken it to a standard that Kilkenny had during their dominance. Teams need to lift their game, otherwise split Limerick :D
Johnny, Horgan for me deserved one, as did Guillane
I hear what you are saying, but who are you dropping to give it to them?
Quote from: johnnycool on December 13, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2021, 12:37:11 AM
Or a sign of how poor the standard of hurling is, Limerick aside, the majority of the teams are way off the best teams they ever had.
That's like saying all the teams trying to beat Dublin these last 7 years were poor, Limerick have taken it to a standard that Kilkenny had during their dominance. Teams need to lift their game, otherwise split Limerick :D
Johnny, Horgan for me deserved one, as did Guillane
I hear what you are saying, but who are you dropping to give it to them?
I know, I wouldn't have the foggiest on that, as they all hit the mark this year.
I'm probably thinking that players should only be picked for the positions they play in, that would at least be a proper line up. granted some teams have players that move about either lines. but if he's played 5 games in one position then that's his place, he shouldn't be picked for another position that he never played in or was in it for 30 minutes.. Tony Kelly as an example
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2021, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 13, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2021, 12:37:11 AM
Or a sign of how poor the standard of hurling is, Limerick aside, the majority of the teams are way off the best teams they ever had.
That's like saying all the teams trying to beat Dublin these last 7 years were poor, Limerick have taken it to a standard that Kilkenny had during their dominance. Teams need to lift their game, otherwise split Limerick :D
Johnny, Horgan for me deserved one, as did Guillane
I hear what you are saying, but who are you dropping to give it to them?
I know, I wouldn't have the foggiest on that, as they all hit the mark this year.
I'm probably thinking that players should only be picked for the positions they play in, that would at least be a proper line up. granted some teams have players that move about either lines. but if he's played 5 games in one position then that's his place, he shouldn't be picked for another position that he never played in or was in it for 30 minutes.. Tony Kelly as an example
Positions don't mean an awful lot in the modern game TBH.
Tony Kelly might have 9 on his back one day, 15 on it another and start in those positions initially but then roam wherever.
I'm assuming its the players themselves who vote on this now since the GPA got involved, correct?
Better here than nowhere...
Ballyhale Shamrocks finally woke up and Fennelly is a hard man to stop.
His goal that he lobbed the keeper was some effort.
S'niel are still Ulster champions, some display today and will go into the semifinals with every opportunity to get to Croke.
Strong all over the pitch
Ballyhale if they win this year may go down as the greatest club hurling team. Always liked the Sarfield team from the 90's myself.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 08:13:02 PM
Ballyhale if they win this year may go down as the greatest club hurling team. Always liked the Sarfield team from the 90's myself.
Winners of Munster will be strong, if St Thomas's are as good as they used to be they'll be strong. And S'niel will fancy themselves too
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2021, 08:40:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 08:13:02 PM
Ballyhale if they win this year may go down as the greatest club hurling team. Always liked the Sarfield team from the 90's myself.
Winners of Munster will be strong, if St Thomas's are as good as they used to be they'll be strong. And S'niel will fancy themselves too
Winners of Ballygunnar and Kilmallock play SN AFAIK but that Munster final not being played till January if at all the way things look like going.
St Thomas' have been a bit weak in the AI phases quite a few times and Ballyhale would be hot favourites there IMO.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2021, 12:37:11 AM
Or a sign of how poor the standard of hurling is, Limerick aside, the majority of the teams are way off the best teams they ever had.
That's like saying all the teams trying to beat Dublin these last 7 years were poor, Limerick have taken it to a standard that Kilkenny had during their dominance. Teams need to lift their game, otherwise split Limerick :D
Johnny, Horgan for me deserved one, as did Guillane
Limerick are replicating the Dublin problem in football. This year's all stars are a sign.
How much money has been pumped in by whom ?
Quote from: seafoid on December 20, 2021, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2021, 12:37:11 AM
Or a sign of how poor the standard of hurling is, Limerick aside, the majority of the teams are way off the best teams they ever had.
That's like saying all the teams trying to beat Dublin these last 7 years were poor, Limerick have taken it to a standard that Kilkenny had during their dominance. Teams need to lift their game, otherwise split Limerick :D
Johnny, Horgan for me deserved one, as did Guillane
Limerick are replicating the Dublin problem in football. This year's all stars are a sign.
How much money has been pumped in by whom ?
Loads and its coming from JP McManus.
Difference is it's not GAA money doping the system.
After the Ballyhale vs O'Loughlin Gaels game I was so impressed with the high standard of hurling, that I couldn't help but think I just watched the All Ireland club final.
It's Ballyhale for me this year. (I hope I'm wrong as my cousin manages Slaughtneil).
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on December 20, 2021, 01:03:47 PM
After the Ballyhale vs O'Loughlin Gaels game I was so impressed with the high standard of hurling, that I couldn't help but think I just watched the All Ireland club final.
It's Ballyhale for me this year. (I hope I'm wrong as my cousin manages Slaughtneil).
S'niel were a whisker away from beating Ballyhale in Newry 2 years ago, what's changed in both teams? This year S'neil don't have to worry about football, they have actually improved and for me, Ballyhale have struggled bar yesterday.
Both teams have got older with the same group of players, Think Munster winners will win this, their final should be a cracker
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2021, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on December 20, 2021, 01:03:47 PM
After the Ballyhale vs O'Loughlin Gaels game I was so impressed with the high standard of hurling, that I couldn't help but think I just watched the All Ireland club final.
It's Ballyhale for me this year. (I hope I'm wrong as my cousin manages Slaughtneil).
S'niel were a whisker away from beating Ballyhale in Newry 2 years ago, what's changed in both teams? This year S'neil don't have to worry about football, they have actually improved and for me, Ballyhale have struggled bar yesterday.
Both teams have got older with the same group of players, Think Munster winners will win this, their final should be a cracker
I sincerely hope your right, knowing wee Michael's personality he won't accept 2nd best. He aims for the number one spot every time and goes to great lengths to improve his team. I actually think he went down to watch Limerick train just to see what he could take from it.
Always think the team with the best forwards win. Slaughtneils Brendan Rodgers is a serious asset his fitness levels were similar to professional soccer players in the premier league.
Hopefully being gone from the football they can focus hard on the hurling.
They are a special club and I know if Ballyhale was playing them in football it would be a foregone conclusion.
If they do get beat there won't be anymore than daylight between them. Just hoping they get the bounce of the ball this time around.
No point in eating right, training night and day just to accept runners up. They will have a great appetite for this one you can be sure of that.
Ballygunner are streets ahead! Initially (first 4 minutes) I thought Kilmallock were going to make a game of it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2022, 04:11:32 PM
Ballygunner are streets ahead! Initially (first 4 minutes) I thought Kilmallock were going to make a game of it.
So did I but alas the stickwork and speed of Ballygunner was too great and Kilmallock never got into the game in a serious way at all. Their goal at the end was just window dressing.
one point in particular for Ballygunnar was a thing of beauty. An intercepted line ball on their own 20 metre line made it's way through five or six passes without a Kilmallock player laying a glove on any of the Ballygunner players and was tapped over the bar with ease at the other end.
That's some serious skill levels and organisation for a club team on a winters day in the rain.
Up next for them is the Derry lads in two weeks time..
Have Ballygunner been in an all ireland final? I can't recall one. That is a serious hammering and if you think of the lesson Kilmallock gave the Cork champions too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 10, 2022, 09:52:23 AM
Have Ballygunner been in an all ireland final? I can't recall one. That is a serious hammering and if you think of the lesson Kilmallock gave the Cork champions too.
I don't think they have and Ulster teams have a good record against Waterford teams in AI semi-finals..
2018 is the last time they got out of Munster and Ballyhale beat them in the semifinal.
For the resources Ballygunner have at their disposal they really should have at least got to a final. Mount Sion were the same. Arguably you could say the same about most munster teams almost this decade bar Na Piarsiagh and then Netownshandrum who were a while ago.
The Munster club bar NP lately have been poor sine the O'Connor days of NS....
Ballygunner have been at this stage a few times but couldnt get over the line, they are the best team left, better than Ballyhale, who have bar one game struggled, S'niel will have the fitness levels and strength to match Ballygunner and while S'niels stickwork is very good, Gunner's stickwork is a class above.
That point Gunner scored yesterday that Johnny mentioned was outstanding, I even replayed it back, said to her (who has no interest in sport) what a score! I don't think she even lifted her head!
Thomas's could beat Ballyhale, though I haven't seen them this year. Gunner to beat S'niel, but wouldn't be surprised if S'niel get past Ballygunner
Ballygunner's antics against the tipp champions weren't too good so wouldn't be overly sorry seeing them beat though Hutchinson and o'Mahoney are fantastic.
Ballyhale always do enough. I couldn't see them being beat.