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talks of maybe replay on st.Patricks day.

From who?

And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.

I would like if you would get your facts right Lotto about the current Down manager.  With my job based in the Monaghan area I am in conversation with several of the Monaghan players on a regular basis and they hold this individual in high regard! 

Just because your club didn't have the ability to beat Kilcoo in the past 10 years, doesn't mean that you take this out on the new Down manager.

There you go now, that's me told. Funny, that's not what I have heard and if he was such a wonderful coach why did they not want to keep him?

I don't know what you heard but I know for a fact, from the players I have spoken to, that they wanted him to stay.  There were other issues within the camp, which are the reason why the goal keeper coach John Devine and the S&C coach Peter Donnelly left at the same time as our current Down Manager.

There's me told again. Apparently we have a Clonduff man backing the 'current Down manager' as he keeps saying, you are a forgiving bunch in Hilltown.

And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.

I would like if you would get your facts right Lotto about the current Down manager.  With my job based in the Monaghan area I am in conversation with several of the Monaghan players on a regular basis and they hold this individual in high regard! 

Just because your club didn't have the ability to beat Kilcoo in the past 10 years, doesn't mean that you take this out on the new Down manager.

There you go now, that's me told. Funny, that's not what I have heard and if he was such a wonderful coach why did they not want to keep him?

And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.

Not we, probably just me on here. Many other county managers do the right thing but others think the rules don't apply to them. Our new man has always been well below doing the right thing for many years now.

I hear that our new senior manager is still showing the same regard for county rules as he did with his club as continues to play challenge games even though he is not permitted to do so until 1 January. Our weak county board are complicit in letting him do this. Can we not do things the right way?

[redandblackareback,]

Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad
Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?

To be honest, much of it is because the coaches don't know shite about coaching skills so instead of upskilling the players just waste their enthusiasm running around beaches.

Looks like their fees are justified to the clubs based on all this training. Yet invariably the teams will stand or fall.... And by that I mean fall... based on their (in)ability to handle or pass a ball.

Anyone who thinks clubs or counties are 'just running' in this day and age need their head checked.

I have to agree there that it is not just running. It's more about running the clean f@@k out of them. Laverty just wants to flog the sh@t out of them, I'd prefer that maybe a ball was involved somewhere as I think we might need it when the season starts.

redandblackareback, as for walking out of Division 3, I think you are very optimistic and simply won't happen because of the players we have on paper.

Aren't we blessed to have a such know all in our midst who posts so frequently during the day and has an opinion on every single aspect of Down football from underage structures, an authority on all Down clubs and what they are doing, schools both primary and secondary, cocaine, some hair brained amalgamation scheme, I could go on but I'm getting bored. And he speaks with such an opinion with apparently some knowledge on these and many other matters but I tell you what, he talks some shite. It's not the Wobbler either.

It seems to me like they just clock in and clock out. Our kids had one of these boyos come to their school a few years back, Mondays were never great especially after an NFL game on the Sunday and invariably he would not turn up.
These individuals have had zero impact on the development of football in Down in the 15+ years they have been in place. Many of them are now more concerned with their own club commitments rather than their day time job, I didn't think they were able to do this? I have rarely heard any positive comments about what they are doing in primary schools. Why are they not in the secondary schools, Sean Og had this in his report last year? Some of these schools really need supprot and surely these men would be better deployed here. Is it not the case that many other counties put their county coaches in secondary schools to support them, why can't we? It makes sense when the county Minor manager can work with them on a more regular basis. We have alot of catching up to do on the rest of Ulster because what we are doing just isn't working.

How's Australia going big man?
Young lotto

What?

So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

Down clubs offer the best expenses about.

Has to be purely about the money. Why else would anyone travel from Antrim 3/4 times a week to be involved with a team who have no chance of winning anything, never mind sharing the sideline with a mad man?

That is some pile of dung of an article about Jerome Johnston. I remember reading bits of it at the time and same again here. Many parts are just pure fiction all to make a good story. Everyone in Down knows the depths they go to win at all levels of their club. Johnston is the Ballybay manager and should grow a pair.

Lotto, there is no need for that language as I have no doubt you are unaware of any agreement there may be between BB and JJ in the event of the two teams meeting. In any case they have a very good man to run the line in MD.

Where is the language Sandstorm, I know lots of bad words and can't see any of them here?

Conflicting rumours of whether he will or will not be on the line. He helped develop alot of these players and has influenced his own lads all their lives. When you take on a management position you have to big enough to accept everything that goes with it both good and bad. He has been prepared to take the dough to date, bad form if he hasn't the balls to stand by the Ballybay team and club.

[largely impeccable credentials]

No northern bias.

Like everything that requires a vote, there's ways and means to secure the deal. My completely unsubstantiated guess is that Jarlath didn't do a whole pile of canvassing last time out - relying instead on his profile, and his largely impeccable credentials - whereas Larry probably phoned or met every last person who might have a vote, promising whatever he could in return.