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General discussion / Re: Lions Tour
« on: Today at 05:47:42 PM »
But itís the media that puts Ryder Cup appearances almost on a pedestal with major wins. And they dine on it. Then some more and more. When itís not really true. Neither the Ryder nor the Lions is actually that important. Just good fun, hyped beyond words.

The raw emotion shown by the participants in both - and there are countless examples - give a totally different perspective.

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General discussion / Re: Lions Tour
« on: Today at 05:45:15 PM »
And the southern hemisphere teams should be proud of their achievement. They beat the pick of 4 other top ranked rugby nations. I've never seen a quote from a player placing it so highly, but no doubt you'll find one. I would question your assertion that it is 'often' quoted though. I also think it would be naÔve not to consider the motivations behind such a quote in terms of generating interest in the series. A lions victory on the other hand... could you explain to me why that would be worth celebrating?

I'm afraid not. My days of investing such time and effort into debates on this forum have long since gone. The fact that you are ready to query the motivation for such quotes anyway, if they were to be found, only serves to underline the wisdom of my stance.

A lions victory on the other hand... could you explain to me why that would be worth celebrating?

The achievement of a specific group of players, coming together for the first and only time, and in a relatively short space of time, creating / developing a collective effort in terms of game plan / application, to beat the World Champions on their own patch.

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General discussion / Re: Lions Tour
« on: Today at 04:21:38 PM »
In truth it is more corporate junket than pinnacle of sport. Thatís itís lifeblood. The media are complicit partners in this junket too, for life really doesnít get any better for a sports journalist than 3 or 4 all-expenses weeks away in a pretty informal sporting environment, halfway across the world. Hence the column inches. Hence the daily reminders of how important it is to everyone.

I still enjoy it for what it is: good, honest, representative sport, where bragging rights is more important to the competitors than the financial end of things. And in fairness to rugby pros, they are very, very rarely found hiding - which in itself makes for a spectacle.

Does your description of the event in your second paragraph not essentially undermine your opening line in your first paragraph?

I'm not a rugby man, but I essentially take my lead on this from the weight that those in the world of rugby - players, officials and supporters - place on it, and how that is reflected in the sense of sporting occasion and the intensity of what happens on the field.

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General discussion / Re: Lions Tour
« on: Today at 01:17:16 PM »
It is entertaining, but lets face it, it started as a glorified team holiday/piss up and it's only media and PR company hype that have elevated it into something more.

I'd enjoy the spectacle but wouldn't be getting too bothered about the results.

Said it here before - it's akin to the best of Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan and Tyrone going down and playing Kerry.

A good spectacle, but ultimately meaningless in terms of representative sport.

I don't think you can have demonstrated a greater lack of understanding of what it means to those involved. Winning a series against the Lions is often quoted by Southern Hemisphere players as an event to rank alongside winning the World Cup. 

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General discussion / Re: Lions Tour
« on: Today at 10:10:52 AM »
The Lions, like the Ryder Cup is of little interest to me. It's a junket.

I'm going to be honest with you - I was waiting to see who would be the first person to trot this, or something very similar, out. It is of course all about opinions. Thankfully though, your view does not appear to be shared by the majority of the rugby following public with the result that we normally have contests of the highest standard, played before huge, partisan crowds, that makes for a thrilling sporting spectacle. The emotions of the players - both winners and losers - gives some insight into what it means for those to participate. 

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: May 04, 2021, 09:45:35 AM »
Didn't see the Brighton game as I was working but from listening to bits of it and having a look at the 'highlights' it does appear that it was up there with the worst performances of the season to date.

I normally would take the opportunity to watch the full match, even if we lost, but given a highlights package that showed two Leeds' efforts - shots high / wide from Dallas / Harrison - as the sum of 90+ minutes effort, I decided to give it a miss.

We seemed to be totally outplayed by Brighton, maybe on the basis that they had more to play for (in terms of guaranteeing safety). My guess would be that Bielsa would be very angry at that perceived attitude and some could pay with their place the next day out. 

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: April 26, 2021, 09:33:28 AM »
Not the most exciting of games, but I'll take the point. Good result when one considers the context. The team that started was essentially our Championship team minus Ben White but with the addition of Llorente. They dominated of course but their real chances were few and far between and Meslier did not have a lot to do. That shows how far the team have come on. Big issue around the possible penalty for Leeds for hand ball against Shaw. It would have been harsh, but in the current context they have been given. Best for me were Llorente and Striujk in the centre of the defence, both of whom were excellent and Philips in frot of them. Llorente would have been my man of the match.
 

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: April 22, 2021, 10:54:45 AM »
With all the talk of Super Leagues, our game against Liverpool has slightly gone under the radar along with quite a decent performance and result.

Obviously a game of two halves - maybe lucky to be just the one down at half time, but - and as I would expect from Bielsa - the team turned things around totally in the second half and were worth at least the draw and maybe unlucky not to win.

Making a comparison with last year, that team that played Liverpool was essentially the Championship winning team minus Ben White but with the addition of Llorente. It says something for Bielsa's management that that team is standing its own in this sort of company. Great team effort and great to see Pablo getting a late run out. I still think he is worth a 10 - 20 minute run at the end of games.

I know the pressure is off this year, but I would so love to win on Sunday!! 

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: April 19, 2021, 10:49:44 AM »
Absolutely. Itís been a great season and weíve consolidated our position in the Premier League. The City result was massive. However thereís no room for relaxation Rufus thereís bound to be work for you round Abbey Park. Howís the new building coming along?

Sorry @Dougal Maguire. I overlooked this.

New building is great, thanks, save for one or two teething problems. Unfortunately though we can't use it and we haven't even had an official opening. About 18 months ago we were busy planning for coffee mornings, wine and cheese evenings and building tours!!! 

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General discussion / Re: Conspiracy Theories
« on: April 14, 2021, 12:00:22 AM »
The conspiracy theory that exercises me the most relates to God Save the Queen by the Pistols, which peaked at number 2 in the official UK Singles Chart on week ending 11 June 1977, and was kept off the all important top spot by a bit of official skulduggery.  >:(

Taken from Wikipedia

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The song peaked at No. 2 (below Rod Stewart's "I Don't Want to Talk About It" released as a double A-side budget single along with "The First Cut Is the Deepest") on the official UK Singles Chart used by the BBC, though there have been persistent rumours that it was actually the biggest-selling single in the UK at the time, and was kept off No. 1 because it was felt that it might cause offence.[4][8][9]

Various sources state that it was indeed the highest-selling single of the week,[10][11] despite a ban by the BBC and some major retailers.[12] In order to prevent it from reaching the top of the "official" BMRB chart, for one week compilers "decreed that shops which sold their own records could not have those records represented in the chart", and thus sales from Virgin Megastores were not counted.[13] Virgin had few doubts that theirs was the higher-selling single; the company's sales total out of stock exceeded the officially cited sales for the Rod Stewart single.[14]

In addition to the BBC, the single was banned by the Independent Broadcasting Authority which regulated Independent Local Radio. On at least one singles chart for the period, TOP 20 POPS, the song's position at No. 2 was represented by a blank line. In March 2001, the BBC published an article that stated Ď"God Save the Queen" reached number one in the UK in 1977 despite being banned by the BBC, and marked a defining moment in the punk revolution.í[15] The NME magazine chart did in fact place the single at number-one during the Silver Jubilee of Elizabeth II.[12][16]

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: April 13, 2021, 10:26:46 AM »
It's great to see. Bielsa was the man for the job. Most promoted teams get relegated afterwards but this team seems to be different.

It's brilliant. Bielsa is a genius. See parallels with Wenger at Arsenal.

16 years in the wilderness brings home the value of the top league, so there would be no taking anything for granted. Vital of course to stay up this year, but next season I'm hoping we start from a stronger base again, with the addition of 3 / 4 new players to add to the squad and with a bit of luck become established. I've said a lot recently that I see Leicester as the team we should be aiming to emulate - consistently top 6 / 7. 

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: April 13, 2021, 09:22:51 AM »
19 points off the relegation places. Can it be enough or is the beal bocht in remission ?

Even I, the king of the 'glass half empty brigade', have the feet up and am searching for a cigar!! 

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: April 12, 2021, 02:40:17 PM »
I share your frustration Billy, but once the angle was given that showed the contact with the side of the knee, I think he was done for. I agree totally about intent. It simply wasn't there to hurt the player.

The bugbear for me is the inconsistency. Baldock put in a very dangerous two footed lunge that took Roberts out of it last week and which was shown repeatedly on TV screens after, due to an injury delay, and nothing happened in terms of a card.

As regards the display, stop for a moment and consider the individual performances of so many players who up until recently would have been considered established Championship players - Alioski, Dallas, Ayling, Costa, Roberts - all brilliant against top class opposition. Surely it underlines - again - Bielsa's genius.

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: April 12, 2021, 10:18:38 AM »
Saturday was one of those great days that seemed to make the long, long journey back and all of the associated pain that wee bit more worthwhile. I would have struggled to believe that I might enjoy a Leeds match this season more than Leicester away, but Saturday did it in spades.

Unbelievable performance with ten men. Backs to the wall stuff but a richly deserved victory against the odds. I'd be interested in hearing opinions on Cooper's red card. He clearly played the ball first but the contact with the knee looked very dangerous. Unlucky to go? I'm not sure. City can thank their lucky stars they did not end up with ten as well - Sterling and Fernandinho both sailed close to the wind.

Sensational defensive effort by the whole team. Dallas has to be in the running - again - for player of the year. Never stopped running and scored twice. I thought Phillips was excellent as was Llorente in the centre of the defence. He really is coming on. Good performances too from Costa, Alioski, Striujk  and Meslier and Paddy had another assist before he had to go off.

Cooper has been a great leader on the pitch, but I can't help but think that his days as an automatic starter must be numbered. Koch is returning to full fitness - I would love to see him get a run out with Llorente - and Striujk continues to impress.

Three top flight wins in a row for the first time in 18 years.

Just great!!   :) 

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: March 23, 2021, 07:59:26 PM »
Another legendary player and free spirit from the 70s era, Frank WOrthington;

And another ex Leeds players, albeit his presence was only fleeting. I said to Billys Boots elsewhere that he was a real maverick / flair player at a time when these players were getting little protection from hard as nails defenders, on pitches that were muck heaps, although he was not alone in that regard - when I think of Worthington, I think also of his tag team partner Keith Weller at Leicester, Alan Hudson, Tony Currie, Vince Hilaire, Rodney Marsh, Bob Hatton, Stan Bowles and many others. Gave me many hours of entertainment via Match of the Day and the Big Match. Rest in Peace.

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