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« Reply #3435 on: July 03, 2021, 07:05:41 PM »
There's a lot of work for Nolan to do, save Ulster from disaster.

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« Reply #3436 on: July 05, 2021, 10:37:55 AM »
There's a lot of work for Nolan to do, save Ulster from disaster.

well he's certainly not going to save Ulster from Sodomy...

Was talking to a few lads the other night and the health thing seems to be important in their thinking as the NHS is still held up as a bastion of greatness, but after digging in a bit and reminding one lad who's mother died of cancer who's diagnosis and subsequent delayed treatment was botched to put it mildly and the waiting lists in NI are at record levels etc etc the ignorance of the Southern healthcare system is staggering and that needs challenged.

The southern system may have its flaws but the level of nonsense spouted by northerners needs challenged and corrected.

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« Reply #3437 on: July 05, 2021, 11:02:08 AM »
There's a lot of work for Nolan to do, save Ulster from disaster.

well he's certainly not going to save Ulster from Sodomy...

Was talking to a few lads the other night and the health thing seems to be important in their thinking as the NHS is still held up as a bastion of greatness, but after digging in a bit and reminding one lad who's mother died of cancer who's diagnosis and subsequent delayed treatment was botched to put it mildly and the waiting lists in NI are at record levels etc etc the ignorance of the Southern healthcare system is staggering and that needs challenged.

The southern system may have its flaws but the level of nonsense spouted by northerners needs challenged and corrected.

Is it not a general consensus that the Tories will and are most likely already planning to flog off the NHS to the highest bidder when the opportunity arises?

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« Reply #3439 on: July 05, 2021, 01:03:53 PM »
There's a lot of work for Nolan to do, save Ulster from disaster.

well he's certainly not going to save Ulster from Sodomy...

Was talking to a few lads the other night and the health thing seems to be important in their thinking as the NHS is still held up as a bastion of greatness, but after digging in a bit and reminding one lad who's mother died of cancer who's diagnosis and subsequent delayed treatment was botched to put it mildly and the waiting lists in NI are at record levels etc etc the ignorance of the Southern healthcare system is staggering and that needs challenged.

The southern system may have its flaws but the level of nonsense spouted by northerners needs challenged and corrected.

Is it not a general consensus that the Tories will and are most likely already planning to flog off the NHS to the highest bidder when the opportunity arises?

certainly in England it looks that way, but it's devolved in NI, Scotland and Wales and still officially nationalised but the budgets have been cut to bits and people are taking on medical insurance anyway in NI...

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« Reply #3440 on: July 05, 2021, 01:10:02 PM »
There's a lot of work for Nolan to do, save Ulster from disaster.

well he's certainly not going to save Ulster from Sodomy...

Was talking to a few lads the other night and the health thing seems to be important in their thinking as the NHS is still held up as a bastion of greatness, but after digging in a bit and reminding one lad who's mother died of cancer who's diagnosis and subsequent delayed treatment was botched to put it mildly and the waiting lists in NI are at record levels etc etc the ignorance of the Southern healthcare system is staggering and that needs challenged.

The southern system may have its flaws but the level of nonsense spouted by northerners needs challenged and corrected.

Is it not a general consensus that the Tories will and are most likely already planning to flog off the NHS to the highest bidder when the opportunity arises?

Privatisation in the NHS started with the Labour government

The NHS here could and should be so much better, and it’s nothing to do with the bogey men Tories. I read that patient outcomes & waiting lists much worse here compared to England. How many “reviews” have been done and then not implemented ?

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« Reply #3441 on: July 05, 2021, 01:31:57 PM »

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« Reply #3442 on: July 05, 2021, 02:23:46 PM »
There's a lot of work for Nolan to do, save Ulster from disaster.

well he's certainly not going to save Ulster from Sodomy...

Was talking to a few lads the other night and the health thing seems to be important in their thinking as the NHS is still held up as a bastion of greatness, but after digging in a bit and reminding one lad who's mother died of cancer who's diagnosis and subsequent delayed treatment was botched to put it mildly and the waiting lists in NI are at record levels etc etc the ignorance of the Southern healthcare system is staggering and that needs challenged.

The southern system may have its flaws but the level of nonsense spouted by northerners needs challenged and corrected.

Is it not a general consensus that the Tories will and are most likely already planning to flog off the NHS to the highest bidder when the opportunity arises?

Privatisation in the NHS started with the Labour government

The NHS here could and should be so much better, and it’s nothing to do with the bogey men Tories. I read that patient outcomes & waiting lists much worse here compared to England. How many “reviews” have been done and then not implemented ?

It went as far back as Thatcher if the truth was told. She saw the NHS as a burden on the taxpayers and started bringing in the consultants to "streamline" the NHS and the hoards of middle management were brought in and services like cleaning and contract nursing was the norm..

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« Reply #3443 on: July 05, 2021, 02:28:48 PM »
https://www.ft.com/content/6be4834c-fdd1-4127-8e90-8b10fd25af97


   

   Ban Ki-moon (“The US should back a new approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict”, Opinion, June 30) is correct, but is a new approach the answer? The situation has some similarity with that in Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic and in both cases the only long-term solution is that of a single state incorporating both parties. Despite hardliners in both camps, this is inevitable and will develop over time.

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« Reply #3445 on: July 12, 2021, 01:26:45 PM »
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gaels-first-north-branch-will-reach-out-to-moderates-40610394.html

A northern branch. Or an "overseas branch" as Leo calls it, which will not be allowed to stand candidates in elections. What a bit of tokenistic PR nonsense.

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« Reply #3446 on: July 27, 2021, 07:21:55 PM »
Interesting thread over on Slugger about the 6 county votes broken by county. This data also has relevance for the GAA pick in each county, on this basis Armagh has a smaller pick than Tyrone, Derry, Antrim or Down.  The numbers are votes, not population.


CountyUnionist Bloc %Nationalist Bloc %Middle-Ground Bloc %
Antrim49.90%33.90%16.10%
(est. votes: 213,233)-106,497-72,375-34,361
{±0.52%}{±0.35%}{±0.17%}
Armagh39.90%53.90%6.20%
-72,566-28,963-39,134-4,469
{±1.11%}{±1.50%}{±0.17%}
Down49.10%24.50%26.40%
-190,256-93,458-46,665-50,133
{±0.82%}{±0.41%}{±0.44%}
Fermanagh39.60%53.40%7.00%
-29,390-11,636-15,702-2,052
{±1.19%}{±1.60%}{±0.21%}
Derry33.10%61.60%5.30%
-90,287-29,899-55,568-4,820
{±0.55%}{±1.03%}{±0.09%}
Tyrone34.80%59.40%5.70%
-82,253-28,637-48,895-4,721
{±0.94%}{±1.60%}{±0.15%}
OVERALL:44.10%41.10%14.80%
-677,986-299,091-278,339-100,556
« Last Edit: July 27, 2021, 07:25:28 PM by armaghniac »
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« Reply #3447 on: July 27, 2021, 08:22:52 PM »
Interesting thread over on Slugger about the 6 county votes broken by county. This data also has relevance for the GAA pick in each county, on this basis Armagh has a smaller pick than Tyrone, Derry, Antrim or Down.  The numbers are votes, not population.


CountyUnionist Bloc %Nationalist Bloc %Middle-Ground Bloc %
Antrim49.90%33.90%16.10%
(est. votes: 213,233)-106,497-72,375-34,361
{±0.52%}{±0.35%}{±0.17%}
Armagh39.90%53.90%6.20%
-72,566-28,963-39,134-4,469
{±1.11%}{±1.50%}{±0.17%}
Down49.10%24.50%26.40%
-190,256-93,458-46,665-50,133
{±0.82%}{±0.41%}{±0.44%}
Fermanagh39.60%53.40%7.00%
-29,390-11,636-15,702-2,052
{±1.19%}{±1.60%}{±0.21%}
Derry33.10%61.60%5.30%
-90,287-29,899-55,568-4,820
{±0.55%}{±1.03%}{±0.09%}
Tyrone34.80%59.40%5.70%
-82,253-28,637-48,895-4,721
{±0.94%}{±1.60%}{±0.15%}
OVERALL:44.10%41.10%14.80%
-677,986-299,091-278,339-100,556

Considering 50 percent at least of that Derry vote is the city id say Derry has lower pick ..which is why the culchies need to get behind a Derry gaelfast

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« Reply #3448 on: July 27, 2021, 08:46:20 PM »
Considering 50 percent at least of that Derry vote is the city id say Derry has lower pick ..which is why the culchies need to get behind a Derry gaelfast

I am not sure that Gaelfast has yet had dramatic results. But the GAA should certainly look at what has been done in Dublin and extend this to both Belfast and Derry.
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