Rory Beggan

[viperhiggins]

Folks,

Was the tactics Monaghan's Rory Beggan used on Saturday foolish or effective?

[RedHand88]

Foolish in my opinion. I dont see the point in sending your keeper up when a defender has to stay back on the line to cover. I can understand the moving up to cover space for an opposition kickout, but soloing into the opponents half to take a shot, not for me.

[viperhiggins]

Foolish in my opinion. I dont see the point in sending your keeper up when a defender has to stay back on the line to cover. I can understand the moving up to cover space for an opposition kickout, but soloing into the opponents half to take a shot, not for me.

I agree. Media after the game was getting on my nerves. He didn't contribute to Monaghan by coming that far outfield at all. Nearly cost them 2 goals, 1st one was a good recovery challenge on Mattie Donnelly (who shouldn't have been getting caught by a keeper) and the second the ball spilled between 2 tyrone players and 1 monaghan player. It was lucky to fall to the Monaghan player. There are things creeping into the GAA that simply aren't right. These keepers who are coming miles off their line as well as the diving. The amount of times players go down now and grab their heads even though they weren't touched their is scary.

[maddog]

Foolish in my opinion. I dont see the point in sending your keeper up when a defender has to stay back on the line to cover. I can understand the moving up to cover space for an opposition kickout, but soloing into the opponents half to take a shot, not for me.

I agree. Media after the game was getting on my nerves. He didn't contribute to Monaghan by coming that far outfield at all. Nearly cost them 2 goals, 1st one was a good recovery challenge on Mattie Donnelly (who shouldn't have been getting caught by a keeper) and the second the ball spilled between 2 tyrone players and 1 monaghan player. It was lucky to fall to the Monaghan player. There are things creeping into the GAA that simply aren't right. These keepers who are coming miles off their line as well as the diving. The amount of times players go down now and grab their heads even though they weren't touched their is scary.

creeping in since early 2000s

[bigarsedkeeper]

I understand the need for a keeper to help out the defence when they're under pressure in possession now but some of what we saw on Saturday was over the top. As redhand said above if a defender has to drop back to cover you're not really adding anything in my opinion.

As good as Niall Morgan is Peter Harte shouldn't be covering for him on the line. I like the pushing out into the space to stop the long kick outs - great work, although a a keeper I'd be tempted to hit with it to get a few lads in on top of him. Niall would possibly deal with it well but until the keepers start shipping heavy tackles like the rest of the players, they'll keep pushing up.

Rory Beggan is a funny one, his championship could have looked very different now if he hadn't had a bit of luck. Ball bounced over his head twice against Armagh but he got away with it. The ball he lost and tackled back on could have looked very bad if Tyrone had of buried it. But they didn't and he's came out of the weekend with his reputation in tact, enhanced if anything.

I think the copycat club managers need to be very careful, those 2 lads are completely different than your standard club keeper or the average defender or midfielder that's going to be handed the goalie jersey now.

[themac_23]

I understand the need for a keeper to help out the defence when they're under pressure in possession now but some of what we saw on Saturday was over the top. As redhand said above if a defender has to drop back to cover you're not really adding anything in my opinion.

As good as Niall Morgan is Peter Harte shouldn't be covering for him on the line. I like the pushing out into the space to stop the long kick outs - great work, although a a keeper I'd be tempted to hit with it to get a few lads in on top of him. Niall would possibly deal with it well but until the keepers start shipping heavy tackles like the rest of the players, they'll keep pushing up.

Rory Beggan is a funny one, his championship could have looked very different now if he hadn't had a bit of luck. Ball bounced over his head twice against Armagh but he got away with it. The ball he lost and tackled back on could have looked very bad if Tyrone had of buried it. But they didn't and he's came out of the weekend with his reputation in tact, enhanced if anything.

I think the copycat club managers need to be very careful, those 2 lads are completely different than your standard club keeper or the average defender or midfielder that's going to be handed the goalie jersey now.

its all for show really and it'll take one of them getting caught out for it to be knocked on the head, Beggan should have been caught out only for a class tackle that he made. yeah the tackle was brilliant but it only had to be made as it was him being there that caused it. If it was a tactical thing to push a spare man up on the kick outs then keeper could push onto 1 of the corner forwards and one of the FB line push on would be the logical step.

Another thing annoys me is keepers coming up to hit frees, kills so much time its unreal, I dont think keepers should be allowed to hit anything inside the 45. see it creeping into club games now too, I see keepers coming up to hit frees. surely especially at county level there are forwards who can take accurate frees

[rodney trotter]

Teams shouldn't be relying on keepers to take frees and 45s. Keepers might have better range ,but if you're good enough to be a County forward then should be capable of taking a 45. Or get them to practice more at long range frees

[Rossfan]

God becwith the days when there was always a specialist freetaker in the forward line.
But when running and throwball are the main requirements over ability to actually KICK the FOOTball.....

[tyrone08]

Foolish in my opinion. I dont see the point in sending your keeper up when a defender has to stay back on the line to cover. I can understand the moving up to cover space for an opposition kickout, but soloing into the opponents half to take a shot, not for me.

I agree. Media after the game was getting on my nerves. He didn't contribute to Monaghan by coming that far outfield at all. Nearly cost them 2 goals, 1st one was a good recovery challenge on Mattie Donnelly (who shouldn't have been getting caught by a keeper) and the second the ball spilled between 2 tyrone players and 1 monaghan player. It was lucky to fall to the Monaghan player. There are things creeping into the GAA that simply aren't right. These keepers who are coming miles off their line as well as the diving. The amount of times players go down now and grab their heads even though they weren't touched their is scary.

Noticed that alot in the tyrone v monghan game. I counted at least 4 monaghan players going down holding their head without any contact. Mcmanus done it after getting hit on the arm as soon as he went down he held his head.

Years ago McCann rightly got massive stick for it now its an acceptable part of the game apparently. Disgraceful really

[tyrone08]

Not sure why the media is saying how well beggan played. Had a terrible first half and lost alot of kickouts and played a ridiculous role in the 2nd half. Could have easily costed monghan 2 goals.

[viperhiggins]

Foolish in my opinion. I dont see the point in sending your keeper up when a defender has to stay back on the line to cover. I can understand the moving up to cover space for an opposition kickout, but soloing into the opponents half to take a shot, not for me.

I agree. Media after the game was getting on my nerves. He didn't contribute to Monaghan by coming that far outfield at all. Nearly cost them 2 goals, 1st one was a good recovery challenge on Mattie Donnelly (who shouldn't have been getting caught by a keeper) and the second the ball spilled between 2 tyrone players and 1 monaghan player. It was lucky to fall to the Monaghan player. There are things creeping into the GAA that simply aren't right. These keepers who are coming miles off their line as well as the diving. The amount of times players go down now and grab their heads even though they weren't touched their is scary.

Noticed that alot in the tyrone v monghan game. I counted at least 4 monaghan players going down holding their head without any contact. Mcmanus done it after getting hit on the arm as soon as he went down he held his head.

Years ago McCann rightly got massive stick for it now its an acceptable part of the game apparently. Disgraceful really

It is not like it is coming through the youth. The young are taught to play with the heart on their sleeves and with some pride for the jersey. The diving is an inter-county thing. I fear that it is being deployed as a tactic for certain counties - I hope I'm wrong!

[TwoUpTwoDown]

I think as a stereotypical keeper Beegan is pretty average to be honest. He's a very limited shot stopper, he's unbelievably suspect under a high ball, very flaky temperament that can be got at, average positioning when faced
with an oncoming attacker  and his communication seems limited enough.

Admittedly he is a very solid footballer with fantastic accuracy off the ground. His distribution can be phenomenal, but again I think when put under pressure this cracks also.

Overall I'd take the likes of Morgan/Patton/Hughes over him in Ulster.

[Armagh18]

I understand the need for a keeper to help out the defence when they're under pressure in possession now but some of what we saw on Saturday was over the top. As redhand said above if a defender has to drop back to cover you're not really adding anything in my opinion.

As good as Niall Morgan is Peter Harte shouldn't be covering for him on the line. I like the pushing out into the space to stop the long kick outs - great work, although a a keeper I'd be tempted to hit with it to get a few lads in on top of him. Niall would possibly deal with it well but until the keepers start shipping heavy tackles like the rest of the players, they'll keep pushing up.

Rory Beggan is a funny one, his championship could have looked very different now if he hadn't had a bit of luck. Ball bounced over his head twice against Armagh but he got away with it. The ball he lost and tackled back on could have looked very bad if Tyrone had of buried it. But they didn't and he's came out of the weekend with his reputation in tact, enhanced if anything.

I think the copycat club managers need to be very careful, those 2 lads are completely different than your standard club keeper or the average defender or midfielder that's going to be handed the goalie jersey now.

its all for show really and it'll take one of them getting caught out for it to be knocked on the head, Beggan should have been caught out only for a class tackle that he made. yeah the tackle was brilliant but it only had to be made as it was him being there that caused it. If it was a tactical thing to push a spare man up on the kick outs then keeper could push onto 1 of the corner forwards and one of the FB line push on would be the logical step.

Another thing annoys me is keepers coming up to hit frees, kills so much time its unreal, I dont think keepers should be allowed to hit anything inside the 45. see it creeping into club games now too, I see keepers coming up to hit frees. surely especially at county level there are forwards who can take accurate frees

Geezer the trailblazer. You'd think this keeper playing as an outfielder craic would have stopped after Cavan humiliating us a few years back.

[nrico2006]

Not sure why the media is saying how well beggan played. Had a terrible first half and lost alot of kickouts and played a ridiculous role in the 2nd half. Could have easily costed monghan 2 goals.

Agreed, he was woeful on the kickouts in the first half and overall had a poor enough day.

[manfromdelmonte]

How much time and energy was wasted in training coming up with ways he could contribute during games