Ulster JFC
Preliminary Round - 30/10/22
Drumlane/Arva (Cavan) v Ballerin/Craigbane (Derry)
Quarter Finals - 6/11/22
Lissummon/Derrynoose (Armagh) v Letterkenny Gaels/Carndonagh (Donegal)
Dromara/Teconnaught (Down) v Aghaloo/Strabane/Stewartstown/Derrytresk (Tyrone)
Aghadrumsee/Newtownbutler (Fermanagh) v O'Donnell's/Pearses (Antrim)
(Cavan/Derry) v Killanny/Clones (Monaghan)
Ulster IFC
Preliminary Round (6/11/22)
St Paul's/Shane O'Neill's (Armagh) v Toome/Corduff/Magheracloone/Emyvale (Monaghan)
Quarter Finals (13/11/22)
Glenravel/Dunloy (Antrim) v Dungloe (Donegal)
Castledawson/Glenullin/Foreglen/Drumsurn (Derry) v Galbally/Edendork/Eglish/Killeeshil (Tyrone)
Belcoo/Derrylin/Devenish/Tempo (Fermanagh) v Castlerahan/Ballyhaise (Cavan)
(Armagh/Monaghan) v Rostrevor/Saval (Down)
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Craigbane would be strong as well for Junior? The Intermediate game between the Derry and Tyrone champions would be one to look forward too.
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
A bit of cute huerism going on there it seems.
Armagh teams other than Cross usually do nothing in Ulster and I can't see this year being any different.
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Nothing was done there is no link between league and Championship.
Arva will probably win the Junior and got promoted to Division 1 this year. They had a bad couple of years with injuries and lads away and dropped down to junior and Division 3 but are back near full strength.
In the Intermediate Ballyhaise will play Castlerahan. Ballyhaise finished 3rd in Division 1 but had the luxury of having no county players which helped there cause. Castlerahan were relegated to intermediate last year and will be looking to go back up again.
The results/performances of Cavan teams in the Ulster club championships is not good have never won a Senior Ulster Club.
When you stand back and assess it, Intermediate and Junior provincial and All Ireland competitions aren't really fit for purpose. There are too many variations in each county in terms of how their structure and gradings operate. Senior is more authentic as it is the best teams in each county playing in each SFC and the cream of the crop emerges from that to play in their province and beyond.
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 03, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
When you stand back and assess it, Intermediate and Junior provincial and All Ireland competitions aren't really fit for purpose. There are too many variations in each county in terms of how their structure and gradings operate. Senior is more authentic as it is the best teams in each county playing in each SFC and the cream of the crop emerges from that to play in their province and beyond.
Yeah for example, a team in some counties. based on their structure, could have been in the group stages of a senior championship won one game and lost narrowly to the others and be in a relegation playoff, then have to drop to intermediate next year if they lose that... While still maintaining senior league status!
Its a hard one to work out fairly, it would need to be fully implemented across the board that Div 1 teams can only play senior, Div 2 plays Intermediate and div 3 plays Junior. Then div 4 teams plays Junior B, junior B played before the Junior A with the Junior B winners moving up to Junior A
Quote from: clarshack on October 03, 2022, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Craigbane would be strong as well for Junior? The Intermediate game between the Derry and Tyrone champions would be one to look forward too.
They've been in Junior Championship and Div 3 for 3 years now I think it is, but seem to be going well again so far this season.
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 03, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Nothing was done there is no link between league and Championship.
Arva will probably win the Junior and got promoted to Division 1 this year. They had a bad couple of years with injuries and lads away and dropped down to junior and Division 3 but are back near full strength.
In the Intermediate Ballyhaise will play Castlerahan. Ballyhaise finished 3rd in Division 1 but had the luxury of having no county players which helped there cause. Castlerahan were relegated to intermediate last year and will be looking to go back up again.
The results/performances of Cavan teams in the Ulster club championships is not good have never won a Senior Ulster Club.
Thanks. My question was a genuine one and not a jibe or anything. I know Denn from Cavan won the Ulster Junior last season. The teams just seemed to be highly ranked by league. Could have been a Junior B or something I wasn't aware of.
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 03, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
When you stand back and assess it, Intermediate and Junior provincial and All Ireland competitions aren't really fit for purpose. There are too many variations in each county in terms of how their structure and gradings operate. Senior is more authentic as it is the best teams in each county playing in each SFC and the cream of the crop emerges from that to play in their province and beyond.
I'd agree with this, very few teams can compete with the way Kerry structures it's Junior championship. There's something not right when the 2 Cliffords are playing in Junior.
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 03, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
When you stand back and assess it, Intermediate and Junior provincial and All Ireland competitions aren't really fit for purpose. There are too many variations in each county in terms of how their structure and gradings operate. Senior is more authentic as it is the best teams in each county playing in each SFC and the cream of the crop emerges from that to play in their province and beyond.
Steelstown did win the All Ireland Intermediate last year as the 17th ranked club in Derry. Playing in provincial and All Ireland series' gives those players a great experience as well. I do get what you're saying though. Kerry being the obvious example but everyone has been over that one before.
Do the senior 2 champions in Dublin enter the leinster intermediate championship or none at all if that is the case would it not be better to have a 32 team straight knockout between teams that are in senior 1 and 2 for senior title.
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 03, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Nothing was done there is no link between league and Championship.
Arva will probably win the Junior and got promoted to Division 1 this year. They had a bad couple of years with injuries and lads away and dropped down to junior and Division 3 but are back near full strength.
In the Intermediate Ballyhaise will play Castlerahan. Ballyhaise finished 3rd in Division 1 but had the luxury of having no county players which helped there cause. Castlerahan were relegated to intermediate last year and will be looking to go back up again.
The results/performances of Cavan teams in the Ulster club championships is not good have never won a Senior Ulster Club.
Would there be a competition in Cavan for actual junior clubs, the ones plodding about in Division 3?
How about continuing to leave each County doing what suits their particular circumstances best.
The 6 or 7% of Clubs who win County Titles can then play their Provincial games, (half of them will only have 1 game), and let the 0.5% play out the AI series.
It's a nice bonus for the County Title winners but for Junior and Inter the real prize was promotion and the bigger aim is to stay in their new grade.
Quote from: general_lee on October 04, 2022, 09:01:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 03, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Nothing was done there is no link between league and Championship.
Arva will probably win the Junior and got promoted to Division 1 this year. They had a bad couple of years with injuries and lads away and dropped down to junior and Division 3 but are back near full strength.
In the Intermediate Ballyhaise will play Castlerahan. Ballyhaise finished 3rd in Division 1 but had the luxury of having no county players which helped there cause. Castlerahan were relegated to intermediate last year and will be looking to go back up again.
The results/performances of Cavan teams in the Ulster club championships is not good have never won a Senior Ulster Club.
Would there be a competition in Cavan for actual junior clubs, the ones plodding about in Division 3?
There is a Junior Championship and its pretty weak apart from 3 teams Arva(Division 1 promoted this year and favorites to win it) Drumlane and Knockbride who are steady Division 2 teams. If Arva win i would expect them to give Ulster a good rattle if they don't go on the drink for a few weeks.
The change to the Cavan format was more to improve the standard of the Senior Championship. There were 16 teams in it at one stage with r
Quote from: general_lee on October 04, 2022, 09:01:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 03, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 03, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Question for Cavan people.
Intermediate teams left finished 3rd, 6th and 13th in Division 1.
Junior teams left finished 1st and 3rd and Division 2.
No Division 3 representation left.
Assuming league and Championship are separate but my question is has something been done structurally to allow Cavan teams to compete better in Ulster/All Ireland, as the clubs left all seems strong enough to play in the Championship above?
Nothing was done there is no link between league and Championship.
Arva will probably win the Junior and got promoted to Division 1 this year. They had a bad couple of years with injuries and lads away and dropped down to junior and Division 3 but are back near full strength.
In the Intermediate Ballyhaise will play Castlerahan. Ballyhaise finished 3rd in Division 1 but had the luxury of having no county players which helped there cause. Castlerahan were relegated to intermediate last year and will be looking to go back up again.
The results/performances of Cavan teams in the Ulster club championships is not good have never won a Senior Ulster Club.
Would there be a competition in Cavan for actual junior clubs, the ones plodding about in Division 3?
By my reckoning a Division 3 league side has either won the Junior Championship or been in the final almost every year for the past decade or so. This year will be the exception as it's a couple of Division 2 sides. There happens to be 3 very strong sides there at the moment with a few others caught in the middle and a few well adrift of the rest but that's just the way it's worked out. Most years, it wouldn't be a big shock for any team (barring the 2/3 adrift) to make a Junior final.
Edendork v Glenullin should they meet would be a bit of a colour clash.
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Derrynoose Junior winners in Armagh. I reckon they'll give a good account of themselves in Ulster if they take it seriously.
Shane O'Neills vs St Pauls this weekend, Shanes huge favourites and with 3 county men of serious ability and plenty more handy players they could go well in Ulster.
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
Ulster JFC
Preliminary Round - 30/10/22
Drumlane (Cavan) v Craigbane (Derry)
Quarter Finals - 6/11/22
Derrynoose (Armagh) v Letterkenny Gaels/Carndonagh (Donegal)
Dromara/Teconnaught (Down) v Aghaloo/Stewartstown (Tyrone)
Aghadrumsee/Newtownbutler (Fermanagh) v Pearses (Antrim)
(Cavan/Derry) v Killanny/Clones (Monaghan)
Ulster IFC
Preliminary Round (6/11/22)
St Paul's/Shane O'Neill's (Armagh) v Corduff/Magheracloone (Monaghan)
Quarter Finals (13/11/22)
Dunloy (Antrim) v Dungloe (Donegal)
Glenullin/Drumsurn (Derry) v Galbally/Edendork (Tyrone)
Devenish/Tempo (Fermanagh) v Castlerahan (Cavan)
(Armagh/Monaghan) v Rostrevor/Saval (Down)
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 11, 2022, 12:41:56 PM
Derrynoose Junior winners in Armagh. I reckon they'll give a good account of themselves in Ulster if they take it seriously.
Shane O'Neills vs St Pauls this weekend, Shanes huge favourites and with 3 county men of serious ability and plenty more handy players they could go well in Ulster.
Armagh clubs are notoriously shite at provincial level and I am pretty sure Letterkenny are Division 2 in Donegal, Derrynoose will have their work cut out. Likewise Shane O'Neill's, that's if they even get over St. Paul's who are well capable of causing an upset. Whoever wins that gets the Monaghan champs. Again no pushover.
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
Lost a good few players. Ronan Flanagan, Cian Mackey, Sean Brady and Paul Smith for example and all played for Cavan seniors. Didn't win a game in senior championship last year.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 12, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
No, as Rock and Emyvale have both won the Junior twice and Cookstown the Intermediate twice all within a short period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Junior_Club_Football_Championship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Intermediate_Club_Football_Championship
Quote from: johnnycool on October 12, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
It used to be 5 years in the hurling but it was changed to 2 after Lisbellaw struggled in Senior for a number of years.
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2022, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 11, 2022, 12:41:56 PM
Derrynoose Junior winners in Armagh. I reckon they'll give a good account of themselves in Ulster if they take it seriously.
Shane O'Neills vs St Pauls this weekend, Shanes huge favourites and with 3 county men of serious ability and plenty more handy players they could go well in Ulster.
Armagh clubs are notoriously shite at provincial level and I am pretty sure Letterkenny are Division 2 in Donegal, Derrynoose will have their work cut out. Likewise Shane O'Neill's, that's if they even get over St. Paul's who are well capable of causing an upset. Whoever wins that gets the Monaghan champs. Again no pushover.
Down clubs have a woeful record at Ulster JFC level. I actually think that only two clubs have actually won a game in it, St John's in 2008 and Glasdrumman in 2015. Bar maybe Antrim, we may have the worst record in the province at this grade.
In the last 20 years of Ulster Junior, Monaghan have had a club in the final 14 times, 8 wins and 6 runners up, good record at this level.
In our club completions this year, the same teams have qualified for both league and championship finals at each grade.
Senior Championship and Division1 Final Scotstown v Ballybay
Intermediate Championship and Division2 Final Magheracloone v Corduff
Junior Championship and Division3 Final Clones v Killanny
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2022, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 11, 2022, 12:41:56 PM
Derrynoose Junior winners in Armagh. I reckon they'll give a good account of themselves in Ulster if they take it seriously.
Shane O'Neills vs St Pauls this weekend, Shanes huge favourites and with 3 county men of serious ability and plenty more handy players they could go well in Ulster.
Armagh clubs are notoriously shite at provincial level and I am pretty sure Letterkenny are Division 2 in Donegal, Derrynoose will have their work cut out. Likewise Shane O'Neill's, that's if they even get over St. Paul's who are well capable of causing an upset. Whoever wins that gets the Monaghan champs. Again no pushover.
Yeah we have a woeful record bar Cross we very rarely win a game at any level whether that be due to the way our clubs are graded or due to teams going on the lash for a week or more or whatever.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 12, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 12, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2022, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 12, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
Lavey weren't allowed to represent Derry in the Ulster Junior Championship despite winning Derry Junior Championship. We don't have that many hurling clubs. It's as fair as can be really.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2022, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 12, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
There tends to be a good mix of Intermediate winners in Derry anyway, this year quite a few would fancy Coleraine to win it who are traditionally a don't bother fielding in hurling/junior club
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 12, 2022, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2022, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 12, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
Lavey weren't allowed to represent Derry in the Ulster Junior Championship despite winning Derry Junior Championship. We don't have that many hurling clubs. It's as fair as can be really.
Would Lavey be a genuine Junior standard club in hurling?
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Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
Lavey weren't allowed to represent Derry in the Ulster Junior Championship despite winning Derry Junior Championship. We don't have that many hurling clubs. It's as fair as can be really.
Would Lavey be a genuine Junior standard club in hurling?
Possibly/probably not. They were the second worst team in the championship in the county this year though. What do you do? I don't think it's fair to say we're not being fair, when we're not entering a club in that Provincial Championship because they might be too strong. If anything they're trying to make it more fair on other counties.
Fair point. I know Armagh's winners fluctuate between senior and intermediate when in truth they're probably intermediate at best, there's no intermediate hurling championship in Armagh as such.
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2022, 02:39:42 PM
Fair point. I know Armagh's winners fluctuate between senior and intermediate when in truth they're probably intermediate at best.
At the start in Ulster for these junior and intermediate competitions it was probably favouring the likes of the Antrim clubs at the time but some adjusting of the grading now leaves the likes of the Antrim Junior teams well off the mark in the competition in the lower end, not sure they have won that many Junior in a while.. Could be wrong though
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
It used to be 5 years in the hurling but it was changed to 2 after Lisbellaw struggled in Senior for a number of years.
Ah right, it was hurling only but kinda addresses the issues the big ballers are talking about.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2022, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
Derry only have 2 real senior ulster level teams at the minute if we are being honest abd they both do all they can to avoid ending up in intermediate. If you can't make last 2 in Derry in reality you are intermediate level ulster. Lynches and Slaughtneil won't be down there anytime soon
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
There tends to be a good mix of Intermediate winners in Derry anyway, this year quite a few would fancy Coleraine to win it who are traditionally a don't bother fielding in hurling/junior club
Everyone's favorite club
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 12, 2022, 02:20:20 PM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: clarshack on October 11, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
Castlerahan intermediate champions and Drumlane Junior champions in Cavan.
Were Castlerahan not SFC winners a few years ago? :o
Did SFC 2 in row in 2018 and 2019. How on earth are they playing Intermediate lol?
hi look at the hurling. Donegal repeatedly putting their senior champs into ulster junior-jokers
Is there not a rule that if you win Ulster outright at Junior or Intermediate that you can't play in that same competition for 5 years?
. Its 2 or 3 years now
Donegal are above Tyrone and Armagh and Fermanagh now intercounty and should not have their senior champs in ulster junior, other counties as listed dont do that.
And it stops another team from your county getting a dig at ulster
The Derry set up in hurling isnt all that fair either, once it get to Ulster, explain that set up?
If knocked out of senior (in the same year) you drop down to intermediate? So If Rossa (in Antrim) get knocked out of Senior they can (play) intermediate?
Lavey weren't allowed to represent Derry in the Ulster Junior Championship despite winning Derry Junior Championship. We don't have that many hurling clubs. It's as fair as can be really.
Would Lavey be a genuine Junior standard club in hurling?
Possibly/probably not. They were the second worst team in the championship in the county this year though. What do you do? I don't think it's fair to say we're not being fair, when we're not entering a club in that Provincial Championship because they might be too strong. If anything they're trying to make it more fair on other counties.
Agreed . Lavey and Derry done total opposite of Donegal and Setanta.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 12, 2022, 09:59:27 PM
I'd say Dungannon will be itching to have a decent Ulster Junior run after failing to make the Tyrone SFC final. Yes, they have to play Omagh in the Tyrone JFC final but if Dungannon don't win that then some serious questions will need to be asked.
Hurling ?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 12, 2022, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 12, 2022, 09:59:27 PM
I'd say Dungannon will be itching to have a decent Ulster Junior run after failing to make the Tyrone SFC final. Yes, they have to play Omagh in the Tyrone JFC final but if Dungannon don't win that then some serious questions will need to be asked.
Hurling ?
Whoops! Yes, hurling! I'll edit my last post now!
They will be hard to beat. It depends where their heads are. Best team in junior possibly if they beat omagh
Ulster JFC
Preliminary Round - 30/10/22
Drumlane (Cavan) v Craigbane (Derry)
Quarter Finals - 6/11/22
Lissummon/Derrynoose (Armagh) v Letterkenny Gaels/Carndonagh (Donegal)
Dromara/Teconnaught (Down) v Aghaloo/Stewartstown (Tyrone)
Aghadrumsee/Newtownbutler (Fermanagh) v Pearses (Antrim)
(Cavan/Derry) v Killanny/Clones (Monaghan)
Ulster IFC
Preliminary Round (6/11/22)
St Paul's/Shane O'Neill's (Armagh) v Corduff/Magheracloone (Monaghan)
Quarter Finals (13/11/22)
Dunloy (Antrim) v Dungloe (Donegal)
Glenullin/Drumsurn (Derry) v Galbally/Edendork (Tyrone)
Devenish/Tempo (Fermanagh) v Castlerahan (Cavan)
(Armagh/Monaghan) v Rostrevor/Saval (Down)
Extremely hard to predict these games.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 12, 2022, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 12, 2022, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 12, 2022, 09:59:27 PM
I'd say Dungannon will be itching to have a decent Ulster Junior run after failing to make the Tyrone SFC final. Yes, they have to play Omagh in the Tyrone JFC final but if Dungannon don't win that then some serious questions will need to be asked.
Hurling ?
Whoops! Yes, hurling! I'll edit my last post now!
They will be hard to beat. It depends where their heads are. Best team in junior possibly if they beat omagh
Did they have to play Carrickmore in the semi? Surely they didn't lose to Coalisland?
If they get out of Tyrone, Edendork must be in with a big shout of winning the intermediate. Not many teams with the likes of McCurry and Morgan in it.
In terms of the Ulster JFC since its inception in 2001, there have been 20 runs of it. Cavan have had 2 wins, Monaghan 9, Tyrone 6, Armagh 1 and Donegal 2. Down are the only county in Ulster to never reach a JFC final.
The Ulster Intermediate began in 1998 and has had 23 runs. Down have 3 wins, Tyrone 7, Derry 4, Donegal 2, Monaghan 4, Cavan 1, Antrim 1 and Fermanagh 1. Armagh are the only county in Ulster to not win an IFC but they have made 5 finals.
Looking at both competitions combined, it's very obvious that the strength in these two grades lies in Tyrone and Monaghan.
Monaghan - 13
Tyrone - 13
Derry - 4
Donegal - 4
Cavan - 3
Down - 3
Fermanagh - 1
Antrim - 1
Armagh - 1
Quote from: Highland Paddy on October 14, 2022, 09:18:02 AM
If they get out of Tyrone, Edendork must be in with a big shout of winning the intermediate. Not many teams with the likes of McCurry and Morgan in it.
Shane O'Neill's have Connaire & Ciaran Mackin along with Greg McCabe and they're not even guaranteed to get out of Armagh.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 13, 2022, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 13, 2022, 09:14:38 PM
Did they have to play Carrickmore in the semi? Surely they didn't lose to Coalisland?
Tyrone Senior & Junior hurling championship this year had a league/championship round robin between five clubs - Carrickmore, Cúchulainn an Ghleanna, Dungannon, Naomh Colum Cille & Omagh. Top two qualified for the SHC final, third went into JHC final while fourth & fifth played in a JFC semi-final. Going into the last round of games it was Carrickmore vs. Na Ghleanna & NCC vs. Dungannon - Carrickmore were guaranteed to finish top having already beat Dungannon, NCC & Omagh in earlier rounds, so the game between NCC & Dungannon (played at Coalisland GFC's pitch) would decide who finished second and qualify to play Carrickmore in the SHC final. NCC won 1-12 to 0-13, so the SHC final is Carrickmore vs. NCC & the JHC final is Dungannon vs. Omagh, who beat An Ghleanna in the semi-final. Both finals are in Healy Park in Saturday 22nd October, JHC at 1.30pm and SHC final at 3.30pm. IIRC last year the SHC final was streamed live for free by the Tyrone CB, hopefully they'll do the same this year.
Bit of a shocker there then, I would hazard a guess that apart from this year there has only been two finals without a Carrickmore and Dungnanon final since the turn of the century. Dungannon have seemingly been doing some amazing things at under-age over the past 10 years but it doesn't seem to be translating through to senior level.
If they do go into Ulster, Setanta's league of nations would be favourites for the Ulster Junior.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 14, 2022, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 13, 2022, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 13, 2022, 09:14:38 PM
Did they have to play Carrickmore in the semi? Surely they didn't lose to Coalisland?
Tyrone Senior & Junior hurling championship this year had a league/championship round robin between five clubs - Carrickmore, Cúchulainn an Ghleanna, Dungannon, Naomh Colum Cille & Omagh. Top two qualified for the SHC final, third went into JHC final while fourth & fifth played in a JFC semi-final. Going into the last round of games it was Carrickmore vs. Na Ghleanna & NCC vs. Dungannon - Carrickmore were guaranteed to finish top having already beat Dungannon, NCC & Omagh in earlier rounds, so the game between NCC & Dungannon (played at Coalisland GFC's pitch) would decide who finished second and qualify to play Carrickmore in the SHC final. NCC won 1-12 to 0-13, so the SHC final is Carrickmore vs. NCC & the JHC final is Dungannon vs. Omagh, who beat An Ghleanna in the semi-final. Both finals are in Healy Park in Saturday 22nd October, JHC at 1.30pm and SHC final at 3.30pm. IIRC last year the SHC final was streamed live for free by the Tyrone CB, hopefully they'll do the same this year.
Bit of a shocker there then, I would hazard a guess that apart from this year there has only been two finals without a Carrickmore and Dungnanon final since the turn of the century. Dungannon have seemingly been doing some amazing things at under-age over the past 10 years but it doesn't seem to be translating through to senior level.
If they do go into Ulster, Setanta's league of nations would be favourites for the Ulster Junior.
The All Ireland Select are in
Shane O'Neill's won Armagh IFC this afternoon.
Glenullin won derry IFC
Ulster JFC
Preliminary Round - 30/10/22
Drumlane (Cavan) v Craigbane (Derry)
Quarter Finals - 6/11/22
Derrynoose (Armagh) v Letterkenny Gaels (Donegal)
Teconnaught (Down) v Stewartstown (Tyrone)
Newtownbutler (Fermanagh) v Pearses (Antrim)
Drumlane/Craigbane (Cavan/Derry) v Clones (Monaghan)
Ulster IFC
Preliminary Round (6/11/22)
Shane O'Neill's (Armagh) v Corduff (Monaghan)
Quarter Finals (13/11/22)
Dunloy (Antrim) v Dungloe (Donegal)
Glenullin (Derry) v Galbally (Tyrone)
Devenish (Fermanagh) v Castlerahan (Cavan)
Shane O'Neill's/Corduff (Armagh/Monaghan) v Saval (Down)
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Ulster JFC
Preliminary Round - 30/10/22
Drumlane (Cavan) v Craigbane (Derry)
Quarter Finals - 6/11/22
Derrynoose (Armagh) v Letterkenny Gaels (Donegal)
Teconnaught (Down) v Stewartstown (Tyrone)
Newtownbutler (Fermanagh) v Pearses (Antrim)
Drumlane/Craigbane (Cavan/Derry) v Clones (Monaghan)
Ulster IFC
Preliminary Round (6/11/22)
Shane O'Neill's (Armagh) v Corduff (Monaghan)
Quarter Finals (13/11/22)
Dunloy (Antrim) v Dungloe (Donegal)
Glenullin (Derry) v Galbally (Tyrone)
Devenish (Fermanagh) v Castlerahan (Cavan)
Shane O'Neill's/Corduff (Armagh/Monaghan) v Saval (Down)
These will be two titanic tussles you'd imagine.
Quote from: trailer on October 24, 2022, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 24, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
Ulster JFC
Preliminary Round - 30/10/22
Drumlane (Cavan) v Craigbane (Derry)
Quarter Finals - 6/11/22
Derrynoose (Armagh) v Letterkenny Gaels (Donegal)
Teconnaught (Down) v Stewartstown (Tyrone)
Newtownbutler (Fermanagh) v Pearses (Antrim)
Drumlane/Craigbane (Cavan/Derry) v Clones (Monaghan)
Ulster IFC
Preliminary Round (6/11/22)
Shane O'Neill's (Armagh) v Corduff (Monaghan)
Quarter Finals (13/11/22)
Dunloy (Antrim) v Dungloe (Donegal)
Glenullin (Derry) v Galbally (Tyrone)
Devenish (Fermanagh) v Castlerahan (Cavan)
Shane O'Neill's/Corduff (Armagh/Monaghan) v Saval (Down)
These will be two titanic tussles you'd imagine.
Shanes/Saval in the next round would be interesting one if Shanes were to win the first game. Saval only up the road from Camlough so plenty would know each other
Galbally and Corduff be two of the favourites for the Intermediate.
My money is on Galbally or Castlerahan.
Shane O'Neill's will be doing well to get over Corduff, especially if they play like they did yesterday. They perennially underachieve when it comes to championship football.
What are Teconnaught like?
They put in a very strong performance in the county final against Dromara, with Paddy Grant kicking 11 points. They'd have a decent championship pedigree in the county at this level.
But Down are notoriously out of their depth when we hit the Ulster JFC series.
Stewartstown would probably be more akin to a strong IFC team in Down.
I think Shane O'Neills will give intermediate a rattle. They're one of the better intermediate teams to win Armagh in recent years although they badly underperformed yesterday and probably stole it. But throughout the whole season they have easily been the best side at that level. That said they are only the 17th best team in the county on League rankings. Corduff are one of the weaker teams to win Monaghan in recent years but Monaghan teams are normally very competitive at the lower grade levels since they have fewer senior clubs. Tyrone, Derry and Monaghan seem to be the most consistently competitive counties at the lower grades.
Wouldn't write off Dunloy to be there or there abouts, they are a serious outfit. I suppose it'll depend on the scheduling between the SHC and IFC games, they are as fit as you'll see and some of their forward play is first class. im looking forward to seeing what they can do in Ulster
Quote from: themac_23 on October 25, 2022, 08:37:02 AM
Wouldn't write off Dunloy to be there or there abouts, they are a serious outfit. I suppose it'll depend on the scheduling between the SHC and IFC games, they are as fit as you'll see and some of their forward play is first class. im looking forward to seeing what they can do in Ulster
Lets hope they can get games arranged to give them the best chance in both. Would be fantastic to see
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2022, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on October 25, 2022, 08:37:02 AM
Wouldn't write off Dunloy to be there or there abouts, they are a serious outfit. I suppose it'll depend on the scheduling between the SHC and IFC games, they are as fit as you'll see and some of their forward play is first class. im looking forward to seeing what they can do in Ulster
Lets hope they can get games arranged to give them the best chance in both. Would be fantastic to see
Some season for Dunloy so far. Is there much crossover of players between the hurling and the football? As mentioned above hopefully common sense would see games scheduled so they can compete well in both.
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 25, 2022, 10:00:50 AM
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Quote from: themac_23 on October 25, 2022, 08:37:02 AM
Wouldn't write off Dunloy to be there or there abouts, they are a serious outfit. I suppose it'll depend on the scheduling between the SHC and IFC games, they are as fit as you'll see and some of their forward play is first class. im looking forward to seeing what they can do in Ulster
Lets hope they can get games arranged to give them the best chance in both. Would be fantastic to see
Some season for Dunloy so far. Is there much crossover of players between the hurling and the football? As mentioned above hopefully common sense would see games scheduled so they can compete well in both.
Think I seen a pic after the hurling final of the dual players think it was about 12 in both squads, id say of that you'd have 7 or so starting on both give or take, of that id say 5 of their Hurlers would be their main men in football ads their league form compared to championship showed
Quote from: themac_23 on October 25, 2022, 10:04:32 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 25, 2022, 10:00:50 AM
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Quote from: themac_23 on October 25, 2022, 08:37:02 AM
Wouldn't write off Dunloy to be there or there abouts, they are a serious outfit. I suppose it'll depend on the scheduling between the SHC and IFC games, they are as fit as you'll see and some of their forward play is first class. im looking forward to seeing what they can do in Ulster
Lets hope they can get games arranged to give them the best chance in both. Would be fantastic to see
Some season for Dunloy so far. Is there much crossover of players between the hurling and the football? As mentioned above hopefully common sense would see games scheduled so they can compete well in both.
Think I seen a pic after the hurling final of the dual players think it was about 12 in both squads, id say of that you'd have 7 or so starting on both give or take, of that id say 5 of their Hurlers would be their main men in football ads their league form compared to championship showed
Fair play to them. I know they've got a serious set up and looks to be paying off
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 25, 2022, 10:15:23 AM
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Eh? The purists will be all over that. If it's dual players in the Skinner Bradley sense, maybe not so much.
Quote from: general_lee on October 25, 2022, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 25, 2022, 10:15:23 AM
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Eh? The purists will be all over that. If it's dual players in the Skinner Bradley sense, maybe not so much.
The single code purists sorry
Is there an Ulster GAA TV streaming service this year?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 25, 2022, 10:15:23 AM
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Are Dunloy not the only dual club representing their county across all Ulster football competitions?
I am talking about Ireland and in general.
Not who is winning doubles. The list is long
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 25, 2022, 10:15:23 AM
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Are Dunloy not the only dual club representing their county across all Ulster football competitions?
Derrynoose have teams at all 4 codes. They also won the ladies junior football title and lost the Intermediate Camogie final, their hurlers compete in the senior championship.
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 25, 2022, 10:15:23 AM
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Are Dunloy not the only dual club representing their county across all Ulster football competitions?
Derrynoose have teams at all 4 codes. They also won the ladies junior football title and lost the Intermediate Camogie final, their hurlers compete in the senior championship.
Middletown, Granemore, Killeavy and Granemore the same as far as I know.
Drumlane 1-8 Craigbane 0-10 in the junior preliminary round.
Watched the stream of it and the Craigbane No.11 was red carded about 12 mins in. Idiotic as they likely win if he stays on the pitch.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 25, 2022, 10:15:23 AM
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Are Dunloy not the only dual club representing their county across all Ulster football competitions?
Sleacht Neill
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2022, 11:01:32 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 30, 2022, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 26, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 25, 2022, 10:15:23 AM
More and more its the dual clubs coming to the fore. The purists will hate it
Are Dunloy not the only dual club representing their county across all Ulster football competitions?
Sleacht Neill
??
Glen will be representing Derry.
They're a dual club and they won Derry SHC?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
I said representing their county in an Ulster football competition.
What I mean is....of the 27 clubs in Ulster who won a county football title this year only Dunloy and Derrynoose (thanks Harold) are dual clubs.
I think.
Dungloe, Letterkenny Gaels
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
I said representing their county in an Ulster football competition.
What I mean is....of the 27 clubs in Ulster who won a county football title this year only Dunloy and Derrynoose (thanks Harold) are dual clubs.
I think.
I was responding to the right honourable gentleman FBnS who said dual clubs were coming to the fore.
Quote from: general_lee on October 31, 2022, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
I said representing their county in an Ulster football competition.
What I mean is....of the 27 clubs in Ulster who won a county football title this year only Dunloy and Derrynoose (thanks Harold) are dual clubs.
I think.
I was responding to the right honourable gentleman FBnS who said dual clubs were coming to the fore.
Which they are. Let not county champions be the only demarker of that..
In Derry 6 of the 8 hurling clubs are dual and the other 2 would have big crossover with neighbouring football clubs
Nothing new but spreading.
Interesting that 11 of Derry's 19 football all stars were also hurlers - mckaigue the latest
Any odds available on the Junior games this weekend?
Ulster JFC
Quarter Finals
05/11/22 -
Teconnaught (Down) v Stewartstown (Tyrone)
06/11/22 -
Derrynoose (Armagh) v Letterkenny Gaels (Donegal)
Newtownbutler (Fermanagh) v Pearses (Antrim)
Clones (Monaghan) v Drumlane (Cavan)
Ulster IFC
Preliminary Round - 05/11/22
Shane O'Neill's (Armagh) v Corduff (Monaghan)
Thought we were relentless in the 1st half today against Teconnaught but then eased off slightly in the 2nd half however our second goal from Mannies was from a brilliant move. Overall a good experience for our lads to be playing in Pairc Esler as it's a great ground.
Some good ties tomorrow in Junior to look forward to.
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Yeah, much too strong for Junior grade in fairness. Good chance of winning the whole thing.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Yeah, much too strong for Junior grade in fairness. Good chance of winning the whole thing.
Haven't watched them in years, but how big a loss are Shea Burke and Shea O'Neill? Is Burke their main man or is it still Devlin?
Open to correction from Clarshak but Dan Lowe and Gareth Devlin are still their main men I'd say. Strong up the middle too with a few more Devlins floating about and Macauley Quinn is excellent as well. To be honest I haven't really seen much from those other 2 names mentioned.
Half-time Derrynoose 1-7 0-3 Letterkenny.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 06, 2022, 02:09:47 PM
Half-time Derrynoose 1-7 0-3 Letterkenny.
How can a town the size of Letterkenny be junior? Are there other teams in area?
Full time Letterkenny 1-13 1-12 Derrynoose. Letterkenny aided by a strong breeze and an incompetent referee.
Newtownbutler won very easy in the Junior
3-18 to 1-06
It's amazing Letterkenny are a Junior team, big enough place.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 06, 2022, 02:56:11 PM
It's amazing Letterkenny are a Junior team, big enough place.
Would very much be the second team in the town when you consider the bigger team in the town is St Eunans
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2022, 02:52:48 PM
Newtownbutler won very easy in the Junior
3-18 to 1-06
Some difference in quality between some of these teams at this level. Here's hoping Stewartstown (if they win Ulster) get a chance to test themselves against a Kerry Division 1 side :P
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Letterkenny Gaels will be hard to overcome.
Quote from: clarshack on November 06, 2022, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Letterkenny Gaels will be hard to overcome.
Not going by what I saw today!
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 06, 2022, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 06, 2022, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Yeah, much too strong for Junior grade in fairness. Good chance of winning the whole thing.
Haven't watched them in years, but how big a loss are Shea Burke and Shea O'Neill? Is Burke their main man or is it still Devlin?
The 2 Shea's are out long term and are big losses but Mannies and Dan Lowe are still the 2 main men up front. Dylan McElhatton was suspended for the Tyrone semi-final and Final and he came in for Shea Burke yesterday while Theo Lowe came in for Shea O'Neill so we have a bit of strength in depth but at same time wouldn't like to be losing any more players to injury.
Are Newtownbutler not usually a Division 1 side?
Quote from: clarshack on November 06, 2022, 03:50:19 PM
Are Newtownbutler not usually a Division 1 side?
No .
Only the 2 divisions in the league in Fermanagh and Newtown were bottom half division 2 .
Have been division 2 for quite a few years .
Were relegated last year from intermediate ( I think ).
Would have a few old heads playing ( Ryan Carson , James Connolly ) but also alot of young lads who would have been part of their Fermanagh minor wining teams
All i know about Fermanagh is that they punch away above. Some pups. Lisbellaw in the hurling put most of us to shame
Lisnaskea were indeed relegated to Junior.
Rewatched the match back and I thought Pete McGrath junior was good on the commentary. Is he the main guy on Down TV?
Stewartstown May fancy themselves strong at this level but Fossa look likely to come out of Kerry and Munster, we see if they can cut it then if they met them.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 06, 2022, 09:05:55 PM
Elsewhere, the Letterkenny team mentioned a few posts ago is Letterkenny Gaels, a smaller & more recently established (1996) club in the town compared to the more established St. Eunan's club. They've an ex-Fintona player on their panel whom I'm sure will be on the phone to a few ex-teammates soon to ask about Stewartstown, if he hasn't already!
We actually played Letterkenny Gaels back in February in the Ulster Junior league, so they will already know a bit about us!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 01:09:29 AM
Stewartstown May fancy themselves strong at this level but Fossa look likely to come out of Kerry and Munster, we see if they can cut it then if they met them.
Nobody's getting carried away at our end as the teams left in Ulster are all good. Anyway regardless of who wins Ulster it's hard to see who could stop the Cliffords at this level, it would likely take the equivalent of a decent senior club team to beat them.
Quote from: clarshack on November 07, 2022, 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 01:09:29 AM
Stewartstown May fancy themselves strong at this level but Fossa look likely to come out of Kerry and Munster, we see if they can cut it then if they met them.
Nobody's getting carried away at our end as the teams left in Ulster are all good. Anyway regardless of who wins Ulster it's hard to see who could stop the Cliffords at this level, it would likely take the equivalent of a decent senior club team to beat them.
Yeah surely the Clifford lads would be totally untouchable at that level although I think they just about scrapped through the Kerry semi the other day.
Quote from: clarshack on November 07, 2022, 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2022, 01:09:29 AM
Stewartstown May fancy themselves strong at this level but Fossa look likely to come out of Kerry and Munster, we see if they can cut it then if they met them.
Nobody's getting carried away at our end as the teams left in Ulster are all good. Anyway regardless of who wins Ulster it's hard to see who could stop the Cliffords at this level, it would likely take the equivalent of a decent senior club team to beat them.
Depends on what the other 13 are like.
Fossa a small place. Blink and you miss it,
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 06, 2022, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 06, 2022, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Letterkenny Gaels will be hard to overcome.
Not going by what I saw today!
I watched the deferred coverage of the game last night and Letterkenny look strong to me. With the long journey and then playing into the breeze it probably took them a while to get going but when they did they were completely dominant and took their scores well.
Quote from: clarshack on November 10, 2022, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 06, 2022, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 06, 2022, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
Stewartstown will walk that Junior Ulster Championship. The game was over after 10 minutes yesterday.
Letterkenny Gaels will be hard to overcome.
Not going by what I saw today!
I watched the deferred coverage of the game last night and Letterkenny look strong to me. With the long journey and then playing into the breeze it probably took them a while to get going but when they did they were completely dominant and took their scores well.
Stewartstown will win by 7 plus
Would Stewartstown fancy a tip at the 2023 Tyrone IFC?
Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2022, 05:41:11 PM
Would Stewartstown fancy a tip at the 2023 Tyrone IFC?
They played the last 11 seasons prior to 2022 as an intermediate team. Well established at that level, and a good age profile. Really don't know how they succumbed to relegation last year, must of been a shock to them as much as the rest of us.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 10, 2022, 05:52:50 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 10, 2022, 05:41:11 PM
Would Stewartstown fancy a tip at the 2023 Tyrone IFC?
They played the last 11 seasons prior to 2022 as an intermediate team. Well established at that level, and a good age profile. Really don't know how they succumbed to relegation last year, must of been a shock to them as much as the rest of us.
League restructure with a few extra teams going down prob had an impact. Think 4 came straight down in 2021.
Intermediate QF
Castlerahan 0 13 Devenish 0 10
See some lad scored 2:12 down south, so I wouldn't be getting overly worried about getting ahead of yourselves here on who gets to an All-Ireland final.
Galbally 3.06 - 0.06 up at h/t
Galbally will win Ulster Intermediate. They'll beat Dungloe and Castlerahan will give them a game in the final however Galbally will ultimately be too strong.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2022, 10:07:21 PM
See some lad scored 2:12 down south, so I wouldn't be getting overly worried about getting ahead of yourselves here on who gets to an All-Ireland final.
David clifford for fossa
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2022, 10:07:21 PM
See some lad scored 2:12 down south, so I wouldn't be getting overly worried about getting ahead of yourselves here on who gets to an All-Ireland final.
Ulster can't meet Munster til the AI final. So good man for your input
Did someone say stewartsown would get it tight against letterkenny....1.07 - 0.01 up at H/T
Quote from: smort on November 20, 2022, 02:05:09 PM
Did someone say stewartsown would get it tight against letterkenny....1.07 - 0.01 up at H/T
Think Derrynoose were up something similar against them too though.
Fair enough
Drumlane up 1.09 - 0.05 at H/T
Drumlane v Stewartstown JFC final. Both teams winning their semi by double figures. Should be a good final
Quote from: smort on November 20, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
Drumlane v Stewartstown JFC final. Both teams winning their semi by double figures. Should be a good final
Didn't think we played great actually today even though we won by 10 as there were a lot of unforced errors from us and a better team would have capitalised on them. Drumlane are seriously strong and have a massive advantage in having played in Clones twice already. Think there should be a 2 week gap between semi and final and not 6 days.
Why is it only a 6 day turnaround? Is it Ulsters turn to play the quarter final in England?
6 day turn around is really poor from organisers.
Letterkenny beat Dungloe in Division 2 to avoid the relegation playoffs so based on today unless Dungloe were missing a load of players then Galbally should win with considerable ease next weekend.
Our only previous games against Cavan opposition were the Junior semi against Butlersbridge in 2004 in which we won by a point. Lorcan Mulvey was playing for Butlersbridge back then. We played Laragh Utd in the final of the Ulster Intermediate league in 2018 and they won by a point aet.
Quote from: clarshack on November 20, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: smort on November 20, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
Drumlane v Stewartstown JFC final. Both teams winning their semi by double figures. Should be a good final
Didn't think we played great actually today even though we won by 10 as there were a lot of unforced errors from us and a better team would have capitalised on them. Drumlane are seriously strong and have a massive advantage in having played in Clones twice already. Think there should be a 2 week gap between semi and final and not 6 days.
No need to keep playing yourselves down. Leave that to the management
Harps are obviously raging hot favourites to go all the way
Only the Cliffords can spoil the party at this stage but apparently yous have already been working on a system in training to try and negate their influence
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Quote from: smort on November 20, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
Drumlane v Stewartstown JFC final. Both teams winning their semi by double figures. Should be a good final
Didn't think we played great actually today even though we won by 10 as there were a lot of unforced errors from us and a better team would have capitalised on them. Drumlane are seriously strong and have a massive advantage in having played in Clones twice already. Think there should be a 2 week gap between semi and final and not 6 days.
No need to keep playing yourselves down. Leave that to the management
Harps are obviously raging hot favourites to go all the way
Only the Cliffords can spoil the party at this stage but apparently yous have already been working on a system in training to try and negate their influence
Poison? Hitman? Covid?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2022, 08:59:07 PM
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Quote from: clarshack on November 20, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: smort on November 20, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
Drumlane v Stewartstown JFC final. Both teams winning their semi by double figures. Should be a good final
Didn't think we played great actually today even though we won by 10 as there were a lot of unforced errors from us and a better team would have capitalised on them. Drumlane are seriously strong and have a massive advantage in having played in Clones twice already. Think there should be a 2 week gap between semi and final and not 6 days.
No need to keep playing yourselves down. Leave that to the management
Harps are obviously raging hot favourites to go all the way
Only the Cliffords can spoil the party at this stage but apparently yous have already been working on a system in training to try and negate their influence
Poison? Hitman? Covid?
Taking advice from down the road in Derrytresk. Remember Dromid Pearses
Just watched the other semi and Drumlane look like a right decent team. Newtownbutler are no mugs and they were hammered.
Clarshak you're like when Jim Gavin use to talk up whoever they played in the Leinster championship.
Quote from: clarshack on November 21, 2022, 01:13:15 AM
Just watched the other semi and Drumlane look like a right decent team. Newtownbutler are no mugs and they were hammered.
Drumlane had beat Arva in the Cavan JFC. Arva were heavily tipped. Them and Stewartstown could be a very tight game.
I'm a little out of touch with Cavan club football at junior level but I don't think Drumlane would be considered a senior team or anywhere near it. They weren't even favourites to win Cavan out. That said they have Ryan Connolly who has been on the fringes of county panel for a few years.
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
I'm a little out of touch with Cavan club football at junior level but I don't think Drumlane would be considered a senior team or anywhere near it. They weren't even favourites to win Cavan out. That said they have Ryan Connolly who has been on the fringes of county panel for a few years.
Watched their game with Craigbane in the Preliminary round on Ulster TV. Craigbane went down to 14 men after 10/15 minutes and ended up losing by 1. I think they'd have won had they kept 15 on the pitch. Just off that game I'd have to have Stewartstown as decent favorites. Drumlane were very well organised but possibly lacking the out and out forwards. They came 3rd I think in Div 2 in Cavan though so can't be a kick in the ass off of some senior teams.
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
I'm a little out of touch with Cavan club football at junior level but I don't think Drumlane would be considered a senior team or anywhere near it. They weren't even favourites to win Cavan out. That said they have Ryan Connolly who has been on the fringes of county panel for a few years.
So they're very much an intermediate team? Just like Stewartstown?
Quote from: general_lee on November 22, 2022, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
I'm a little out of touch with Cavan club football at junior level but I don't think Drumlane would be considered a senior team or anywhere near it. They weren't even favourites to win Cavan out. That said they have Ryan Connolly who has been on the fringes of county panel for a few years.
So they're very much an intermediate team? Just like Stewartstown?
Drumlane have been a good junior side/poor intermediate side in recent years. They only made it out of the group in Cavan this year with a last minute long range free from Connolly. They were Division 3 League last year.
Connolly has kicked a series of winning frees but from open play, he won't be top of the list for close attention.
Quote from: Westside on November 22, 2022, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 22, 2022, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
I'm a little out of touch with Cavan club football at junior level but I don't think Drumlane would be considered a senior team or anywhere near it. They weren't even favourites to win Cavan out. That said they have Ryan Connolly who has been on the fringes of county panel for a few years.
So they're very much an intermediate team? Just like Stewartstown?
Drumlane have been a good junior side/poor intermediate side in recent years. They only made it out of the group in Cavan this year with a last minute long range free from Connolly. They were Division 3 League last year.
Connolly has kicked a series of winning frees but from open play, he won't be top of the list for close attention.
was looking at league tables in Cavan and noticed that Denn who won Ulster Junior comfortably last year finished bottom of Division 2 winning only 1 game. would that have been expected of them this year?
Quote from: clarshack on November 22, 2022, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: Westside on November 22, 2022, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 22, 2022, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
I'm a little out of touch with Cavan club football at junior level but I don't think Drumlane would be considered a senior team or anywhere near it. They weren't even favourites to win Cavan out. That said they have Ryan Connolly who has been on the fringes of county panel for a few years.
So they're very much an intermediate team? Just like Stewartstown?
Drumlane have been a good junior side/poor intermediate side in recent years. They only made it out of the group in Cavan this year with a last minute long range free from Connolly. They were Division 3 League last year.
Connolly has kicked a series of winning frees but from open play, he won't be top of the list for close attention.
was looking at league tables in Cavan and noticed that Denn who won Ulster Junior comfortably last year finished bottom of Division 2 winning only 1 game. would that have been expected of them this year?
Bit of a hangover after winning, struggled to get a manager then Mossy Corr ex county player retired and couple lads went travelling.
Very entertaining game, going to ET. 0.12 each at FT.
Stewartstown game very exiting played most of 2nd half with 14 men I thought the sending off was very buttery. Stewartstown could have had a couple of goals but only took the lead for the first time on 60th minute. I fancy them in extra time if they can settle themselves in front of the goal posts. They hit quite a few wides.
Half time in extra time
Stewartstown 1 - 12 (penalty)
Drumlane 0 - 13
Penalty shoot out.
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
I'm a little out of touch with Cavan club football at junior level but I don't think Drumlane would be considered a senior team or anywhere near it. They weren't even favourites to win Cavan out. That said they have Ryan Connolly who has been on the fringes of county panel for a few years.
Connolly scored 0.9 I think but missed 2 pens in the shoot out.
Stewartstown win
Fossa into the Munster final with a facile win
Harps will be able to give the Cliffords their full attention now
Gareth Devlin pulled his ham string for Stewartstown he's their top scorer. Hopefully for them it's not too serious.
Congrats to stewartstown but f**k me what's wrong with a replay. Pens shouldn't be deciding a provincial final
Incredible to be coming home with the trophy this evening as I thought our chances were slim when Manies went off and Tiernan Rush picking up a 2nd yellow. We knew Drumlane were a very good side so the lads had to dig deep and they did!
So it's away to Glasgow Gaels in 2 weeks and I think the winners play Clifden (Galway) or St. Ronan's (Roscommon) in the All-Ireland semi-final but we will enjoy this week and then take it from there.
I agree itchy probably a replay would have been best. A very hard one to loose for either team but it was a fantastic spectacle. A great competition.
Quote from: Itchy on November 26, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
Congrats to stewartstown but f**k me what's wrong with a replay. Pens shouldn't be deciding a provincial final
Agreed. No way for a team to lose.
Quote from: Itchy on November 26, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
Congrats to stewartstown but f**k me what's wrong with a replay. Pens shouldn't be deciding a provincial final
We used to have replays. Then people complained about the GAA being money grabbers, referees were accused of "playing for draws" and there was much moaning about the cost of diesel and the second day out.
People have very short memories.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 26, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
Congrats to stewartstown but f**k me what's wrong with a replay. Pens shouldn't be deciding a provincial final
We used to have replays. Then people complained about the GAA being money grabbers, referees were accused of "playing for draws" and there was much moaning about the cost of diesel and the second day out.
People have very short memories.
Except that's nothing to do with why they were brought in.
Quote from: Itchy on November 26, 2022, 09:38:34 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 26, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 26, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
Congrats to stewartstown but f**k me what's wrong with a replay. Pens shouldn't be deciding a provincial final
We used to have replays. Then people complained about the GAA being money grabbers, referees were accused of "playing for draws" and there was much moaning about the cost of diesel and the second day out.
People have very short memories.
Except that's nothing to do with why they were brought in.
Why were they brought in then?
Quote from: Itchy on November 26, 2022, 09:38:34 PM
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Quote from: Itchy on November 26, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
Congrats to stewartstown but f**k me what's wrong with a replay. Pens shouldn't be deciding a provincial final
We used to have replays. Then people complained about the GAA being money grabbers, referees were accused of "playing for draws" and there was much moaning about the cost of diesel and the second day out.
People have very short memories.
Except that's nothing to do with why they were brought in.
Nothing? Ok I'm listening
Brought in to keep tournaments to schedule. Isont recall gaa announcing that was because they were money grabbers or to prevent corrupt referees etc.
Quote from: Itchy on November 27, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
Brought in to keep tournaments to schedule. Isont recall gaa announcing that was because they were money grabbers or to prevent corrupt referees etc.
I didn't say that. I said that's what people complained about. Now that they've lost that to complain about they're complaining that penalties are no way to finish a GAA match. (whatever that means).
We are a nation of moans.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 27, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 27, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
Brought in to keep tournaments to schedule. Isont recall gaa announcing that was because they were money grabbers or to prevent corrupt referees etc.
I didn't say that. I said that's what people complained about. Now that they've lost that to complain about they're complaining that penalties are no way to finish a GAA match. (whatever that means).
We are a nation of moans.
And corrupt referees :D
Plot lost
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Quote from: Itchy on November 27, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
Brought in to keep tournaments to schedule. Isont recall gaa announcing that was because they were money grabbers or to prevent corrupt referees etc.
I didn't say that. I said that's what people complained about. Now that they've lost that to complain about they're complaining that penalties are no way to finish a GAA match. (whatever that means).
We are a nation of moans.
And corrupt referees :D
Plot lost
It's very simple, GAA want games finished to schedule. That's why penalties were brought in. It was zero to do with people crying about refs, diesel or anything else. I think they've got it very wrong deciding finals like this. Would you be happy with say the All Ireland final being decided by penalties? I don't think anyone would want to see that. That's the only point i was making.
why can they not do a first to 3 points if level after extra time but when you suggest that go into bugged eyed meltdown and then moan about penalities
Quote from: Eire90 on November 27, 2022, 12:57:57 PM
why can they not do a first to 3 points if level after extra time but when you suggest that go into bugged eyed meltdown and then moan about penalities
Problem there is 1 team could have a significant wind advantage which makes it unfair, unlike penalties.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 27, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 27, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
Brought in to keep tournaments to schedule. Isont recall gaa announcing that was because they were money grabbers or to prevent corrupt referees etc.
I didn't say that. I said that's what people complained about. Now that they've lost that to complain about they're complaining that penalties are no way to finish a GAA match. (whatever that means).
We are a nation of moans.
Who has ever complained about a provincial final going to a replay?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2022, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 27, 2022, 12:57:57 PM
why can they not do a first to 3 points if level after extra time but when you suggest that go into bugged eyed meltdown and then moan about penalities
Problem there is 1 team could have a significant wind advantage which makes it unfair, unlike penalties.
you could say anything is unfair maybe swap ends after a point is scored
Barry Cassidy screws Cavan team. Shock horror.
Quote from: Itchy on November 27, 2022, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2022, 10:53:19 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 27, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 27, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
Brought in to keep tournaments to schedule. Isont recall gaa announcing that was because they were money grabbers or to prevent corrupt referees etc.
I didn't say that. I said that's what people complained about. Now that they've lost that to complain about they're complaining that penalties are no way to finish a GAA match. (whatever that means).
We are a nation of moans.
And corrupt referees :D
Plot lost
It's very simple, GAA want games finished to schedule. That's why penalties were brought in. It was zero to do with people crying about refs, diesel or anything else. I think they've got it very wrong deciding finals like this. Would you be happy with say the All Ireland final being decided by penalties? I don't think anyone would want to see that. That's the only point i was making.
Yes. Imagine the tension, the drama and the euphoria for the winning team.
The GAA is the only sport I can think of that did not have a tie breaker.
If the World Cup final (which is only every 4 years) can be decided by penalties so can the All Ireland final.
I'm happy enough for their to be a tiebreaker, but I don't think it should be penalties. Free kicks would be better
Quote from: smort on November 27, 2022, 02:50:09 PM
I'm happy enough for their to be a tiebreaker, but I don't think it should be penalties. Free kicks would be better
Free kicks were tried, completely useless, changed to penalties , better sense of drama and challenge.
Quote from: Westside on November 27, 2022, 02:44:31 PM
Barry Cassidy screws Cavan team. Shock horror.
How it wasn't a penalty and free out before for charging. Disgraceful.
Both teams knew the rules before the game so I'm fine with penalties if it prevents a delay to the next rounds of the competition. However for a final I think an exception could have been made and a replay be called.
Quote from: smort on November 27, 2022, 02:50:09 PM
I'm happy enough for their to be a tiebreaker, but I don't think it should be penalties. Free kicks would be better
Lol that's worse! You're throwing wind into the mix.
The Galway club hurling final, effectively the provincial final went straight to a replay, no extra 10 minutes for extra time..
Counties or provinces can chose it seems..
When do we stop the replays though? So if it's 3 games, do we do penalties then?
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2022, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 27, 2022, 12:57:57 PM
why can they not do a first to 3 points if level after extra time but when you suggest that go into bugged eyed meltdown and then moan about penalities
Problem there is 1 team could have a significant wind advantage which makes it unfair, unlike penalties.
you could say anything is unfair maybe swap ends after a point is scored
True but penalties is probably the fairest of the lot.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 27, 2022, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: smort on November 27, 2022, 02:50:09 PM
I'm happy enough for their to be a tiebreaker, but I don't think it should be penalties. Free kicks would be better
Lol that's worse! You're throwing wind into the mix.
Lol well it would be the same wind for both teams
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
Both teams knew the rules before the game so I'm fine with penalties if it prevents a delay to the next rounds of the competition. However for a final I think an exception could have been made and a replay be called.
In this case there is an all Ireland QF in 2 weeks with significant logistical and travel implications so an extra week is not feasible.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 27, 2022, 03:50:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
Both teams knew the rules before the game so I'm fine with penalties if it prevents a delay to the next rounds of the competition. However for a final I think an exception could have been made and a replay be called.
In this case there is an all Ireland QF in 2 weeks with significant logistical and travel implications so an extra week is not feasible.
In that case it's understandable then. Both teams play by the same set of rules.
Is banty still in the stands for the final at the weekend or is the ban up?
Still in the stands according to todays Irish News.
Were St. Brendan's Manchester weaker this year compared to last year or just the same?
Intermediate final postponed until next week as pitch unplayable
Quote from: Honda300 on December 06, 2022, 08:35:34 PM
Is banty still in the stands for the final at the weekend or is the ban up?
In the dressing room with team at half time last game.
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 10, 2022, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: Honda300 on December 06, 2022, 08:35:34 PM
Is banty still in the stands for the final at the weekend or is the ban up?
In the dressing room with team at half time last game.
I'm sure he'd not be worried about a fine tbh
Is there an intermediate version of the Junior twinning final we played in at the weekend?
Not from what I can see anyway at either intermediate or senior level. Always thought there was a senior one as Crossmaglen have definitely been over to England when they have won Ulster Clubs.
Quote from: clarshack on December 13, 2022, 05:22:52 AM
Is there an intermediate version of the Junior twinning final we played in at the weekend?
Junior and intermediate at hurling for sure, would have assumed the level of club football in London and beyond would be Junior only level?
London Senior Football Champions go straight into Connacht for the last few years, Leitrim champions beat them this year. Think the London team Kiernans were ahead going into injury time.
London Junior & Intermediate Football Champions have a play off to see who represents London in the All Britain series, the Junior champions have won that game the last few years. Outside of the top 3 or 4 Senior club in London there's not a great deal between the rest of them.
@clarshack what did you think of the 4g pitch, would it have been a more difficult game on a bad pitch?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 13, 2022, 09:46:43 AM
London Senior Football Champions go straight into Connacht for the last few years, Leitrim champions beat them this year. Think the London team Kiernans were ahead going into injury time.
London Junior & Intermediate Football Champions have a play off to see who represents London in the All Britain series, the Junior champions have won that game the last few years. Outside of the top 3 or 4 Senior club in London there's not a great deal between the rest of them.
@clarshack what did you think of the 4g pitch, would it have been a more difficult game on a bad pitch?
Thank god for the 4G pitch as the game would not have been played otherwise and supporters would have been out a lot of money, but yes I think it would have been a more difficult game on a bad pitch. We were able to get a few training sessions at the Mid Ulster Sports Arena to help us prepare for it and I think it actually suited some of our players more.
Thought Glasgow Gaels best player was Liam Ryan who has previously played for Leitrim. Big Tomas Clarke is superb in the air and has a great engine for someone that size but his finishing is probably his weakness.
Thoughts on us against Clifden in the All-Ireland Semi-Final? watched the Connacht Final and they look very strong down the middle but not sure how good St.Ronan's were tbh.
I see they played in Division 3B in Galway this year, the same Division as Dunmore. They only played 7 games in that so is there another league or championship that they play in like a Divisional competition that you would get in Kerry?
I watched the Mayo final as know a lad from over here who was playing, Islandeady impressed me so was surprised to see them beaten by Clifden; Imagine its going to be close.
The gap Glasgow have had since beating us in early November to last Sunday is too much especially considering you's have a good few games in that period. We went 9 weeks between All Britain Final last year and the games against the Ulster Champions.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 14, 2022, 09:42:36 AM
I watched the Mayo final as know a lad from over here who was playing, Islandeady impressed me so was surprised to see them beaten by Clifden; Imagine its going to be close.
The gap Glasgow have had since beating us in early November to last Sunday is too much especially considering you's have a good few games in that period. We went 9 weeks between All Britain Final last year and the games against the Ulster Champions.
would they not be better doing what they do in Connacht now with the British Senior Champions and have the Junior Champions play in the first round of one of the provinces?
also if played in early November there's less chance of the travel disruption that was experienced at the weekend.
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2022/12/update-on-aib-ulster-club-intermediate-football-final-between-corduff-gaels-galbally/
Sure nobody would have any plans or anything 🙄
Quote from: The Trap on December 16, 2022, 04:44:08 PM
Sure nobody would have any plans or anything 🙄
Why what do you suggest?
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 16, 2022, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on December 16, 2022, 04:44:08 PM
Sure nobody would have any plans or anything 🙄
Why what do you suggest?
Sure nothing on the following weekend either ::)
If your club is playing an Ulster final you'll not have plans!!
It was cancelled last Saturday, cancelled this Saturday, maybe cancelled on Sunday......we know the weather is to improve so just put it next Wednesday when it will definitely be playable.......no?
Quote from: The Trap on December 16, 2022, 06:20:05 PM
It was cancelled last Saturday, cancelled this Saturday, maybe cancelled on Sunday......we know the weather is to improve so just put it next Wednesday when it will definitely be playable.......no?
I'm sure most would prefer it on a Sunday rather than the Wednesday before Christmas
I don't understand why more of these games can't be played Christmas week or even St.Stephens Day. Great excuse to get out of the house for supporters and neutrals! ;D
Steel and sons cup played at Xmas... very popular
Our AI semi fixed for the Hyde on Saturday 7th January and Clifden played their Connacht Final there. Drumlane had 3 games at Clones and we played Glasgow Gaels on their home pitch so we are having to do this the hard way.
Quote from: clarshack on December 21, 2022, 01:10:30 PM
Our AI semi fixed for the Hyde on Saturday 7th January and Clifden played their Connacht Final there. Drumlane had 3 games at Clones and we played Glasgow Gaels on their home pitch so we are having to do this the hard way.
That really doesnt seem fair, cant understand that at all. No shortage of suitable neutral venues - Mullingar. Even Carrick On Shannon
Quote from: God14 on December 21, 2022, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 21, 2022, 01:10:30 PM
Our AI semi fixed for the Hyde on Saturday 7th January and Clifden played their Connacht Final there. Drumlane had 3 games at Clones and we played Glasgow Gaels on their home pitch so we are having to do this the hard way.
That really doesnt seem fair, cant understand that at all. No shortage of suitable neutral venues - Mullingar. Even Carrick On Shannon
yeah it doesn't, plus all their players that have represented Galway at various levels are bound to have played a good few games there as well.
Galbally 0-5 to 0-4 ahead at h/t but they really should be further ahead.
Is anyone's stream buffering really badly or is it just mine?
Quote from: PMG1 on December 21, 2022, 08:40:37 PM
Is anyone's stream buffering really badly or is it just mine?
Mine's ok.
Corduff don't look like they have any natural forwards. Surprised at how poor they've been so far.
Will Corduff keep their discipline as the game closes out? Seem like a team who play on the edge
Quote from: PMG1 on December 21, 2022, 09:00:49 PM
Will Corduff keep their discipline as the game closes out? Seem like a team who play on the edge
Their No.14 red carded and he probably should have been red carded just before it.
Corduff 0-05 Galbally Pearses 1-09 it finished. Play Dunmore Galway next i believe.
All fairly straightforward for Galbally. The strength of Tyrone football at intermediate and junior has been highlighted again. They got tougher tests from pomeroy killeeshil and edendork in tyrone.
Galway sides lie ahead but it could well be Kerry Tyrone finals and that's when things usually get a lot tougher. Nice to get a run like this though and the possibility of representing your club in croker
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2022, 09:26:59 PM
Corduff 0-05 Galbally Pearses 1-09 it finished. Play Dunmore Galway next i believe.
Saw something in the paper yesterday where they were bigging up Corduff due to their previous experience but I thought Galbally would prevail anyway.
Galbally are fairly good side, certainly senior standard from what I saw of them. How'd they manage to slip into intermediate to begin with?
Paddy Crozier giving Rory Gallagher a dig imo praising his defence tactics and then follows by Galbally better by a country mile.Apparently RG wasnt the only celebrity that travelled to avail of Bantys hospitality euromillions.
Quote from: general_lee on December 23, 2022, 08:31:10 AM
Galbally are fairly good side, certainly senior standard from what I saw of them. How'd they manage to slip into intermediate to begin with?
Covid. No relegation in 2020 then 4 teams relegated in 2021.
Same reason Stewartstown ended up in Junior.
Although I wouldn't say it was a major surprise that either of them were relegated. Would have both as too good for their current division but not good enough to push on in the division above
No disrespect meant to either team. Just trying to say that they are both fair representations of their grading. They are strong teams alright, but I don't want people thinking Tyrone are pulling a Kerry
Quote from: smort on December 23, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
Although I wouldn't say it was a major surprise that either of them were relegated. Would have both as too good for their current division but not good enough to push on in the division above
No disrespect meant to either team. Just trying to say that they are both fair representations of their grading. They are strong teams alright, but I don't want people thinking Tyrone are pulling a Kerry
Traditionally Tyrone teams have done well at this level, double the amount of the other counties, is it a competitive competition in Tyrone? Or do you generally know one team is too strong and should win?
Galbally wouldn't have been clear favourites at intermediate. Edendork were probably favourites with Galbally pomeroy and Eglish all being leading contenders. Galbally where very lucky to make the final after struggling past kileeshil after extra time in semi final.
I'd say Tyrone is probably the most competitive county top to bottom, which leaves junior and intermediate very strong, but I would also say the top senior teams aren't as strong as the top clubs in other counties, which is demonstrated in the Ulster club results across all grades
Quote from: smort on December 23, 2022, 12:11:06 PM
I'd say Tyrone is probably the most competitive county top to bottom, which leaves junior and intermediate very strong, but I would also say the top senior teams aren't as strong as the top clubs in other counties, which is demonstrated in the Ulster club results across all grades
Which is why I posted, if intermediate is as competitive then the train of thought by some Tyrone posters, that because senior is so competitive they are spent by the time the Ulster club comes along!
Watched a good few club games with Tyrone clubs over the years at all levels and it's very good, they just for whatever reason are poor at senior
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2022, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: smort on December 23, 2022, 12:11:06 PM
I'd say Tyrone is probably the most competitive county top to bottom, which leaves junior and intermediate very strong, but I would also say the top senior teams aren't as strong as the top clubs in other counties, which is demonstrated in the Ulster club results across all grades
Which is why I posted, if intermediate is as competitive then the train of thought by some Tyrone posters, that because senior is so competitive they are spent by the time the Ulster club comes along!
Watched a good few club games with Tyrone clubs over the years at all levels and it's very good, they just for whatever reason are poor at senior
Its because Intermediate and Junior will generally have 9 'new teams' every year.
Senior will have 4/5 teams who've featured multiple times in the last decade bar Tyrone who provide a new team every year.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 23, 2022, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2022, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: smort on December 23, 2022, 12:11:06 PM
I'd say Tyrone is probably the most competitive county top to bottom, which leaves junior and intermediate very strong, but I would also say the top senior teams aren't as strong as the top clubs in other counties, which is demonstrated in the Ulster club results across all grades
Which is why I posted, if intermediate is as competitive then the train of thought by some Tyrone posters, that because senior is so competitive they are spent by the time the Ulster club comes along!
Watched a good few club games with Tyrone clubs over the years at all levels and it's very good, they just for whatever reason are poor at senior
Its because Intermediate and Junior will generally have 9 'new teams' every year.
Senior will have 4/5 teams who've featured multiple times in the last decade bar Tyrone who provide a new team every year.
I don't know, and while that's showing competition between teams and undoubtedly helps the county squad, the level is poor once it gets to the actual business end of Ulster club...
A player must be looking to play at Croke with his club, that's the end game! So having successful intermediate teams I don't see (personally) why a Tyrone senior team can't kick on.
It's either it's a very poor competitive county championship or the clubs/players ain't bothered and only concerned about winning their county title!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 23, 2022, 07:12:23 PM
If you were to apply that logic to inter county football, we would be saying that the Ulster championship is a much poorer standard than both Leinster & Munster seeing that Dublin & Kerry usually beat the Ulster champions.
I can't agree with that.
While Leinster and Munster inter county are a one horse race these last number of years, traditionally Kerry and Dublin just produced better footballers, especially Dublin lately.
Tyrone club footballers are exceptional players too in those clubs that have won the Tyrone championship, so logic would suggest they should have the tools to take on the other Ulster clubs.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2022, 06:30:52 PM
I don't know, and while that's showing competition between teams and undoubtedly helps the county squad, the level is poor once it gets to the actual business end of Ulster club...
A player must be looking to play at Croke with his club, that's the end game! So having successful intermediate teams I don't see (personally) why a Tyrone senior team can't kick on.
It's either it's a very poor competitive county championship or the clubs/players ain't bothered and only concerned about winning their county title!
Don't be playing silly games now MR2, just because the Tyrone senior champion has an often poor record in Ulster doesn't mean you have to jump straight to saying it's a
very poor championship. It is of a high standard, its just that the winner isn't as strong as most of the winners of other counties
Quote from: smort on December 23, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2022, 06:30:52 PM
I don't know, and while that's showing competition between teams and undoubtedly helps the county squad, the level is poor once it gets to the actual business end of Ulster club...
A player must be looking to play at Croke with his club, that's the end game! So having successful intermediate teams I don't see (personally) why a Tyrone senior team can't kick on.
It's either it's a very poor competitive county championship or the clubs/players ain't bothered and only concerned about winning their county title!
Don't be playing silly games now MR2, just because the Tyrone senior champion has an often poor record in Ulster doesn't mean you have to jump straight to saying it's a very poor championship. It is of a high standard, its just that the winner isn't as strong as most of the winners of other counties
I'm farting about a bit, I'm just saying that they mustn't look beyond Tyrone as it's undoubtedly a tough championship, with top players, but its a head scratcher don't you think?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2022, 07:53:51 PM
Quote from: smort on December 23, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2022, 06:30:52 PM
I don't know, and while that's showing competition between teams and undoubtedly helps the county squad, the level is poor once it gets to the actual business end of Ulster club...
A player must be looking to play at Croke with his club, that's the end game! So having successful intermediate teams I don't see (personally) why a Tyrone senior team can't kick on.
It's either it's a very poor competitive county championship or the clubs/players ain't bothered and only concerned about winning their county title!
Don't be playing silly games now MR2, just because the Tyrone senior champion has an often poor record in Ulster doesn't mean you have to jump straight to saying it's a very poor championship. It is of a high standard, its just that the winner isn't as strong as most of the winners of other counties
I'm farting about a bit, I'm just saying that they mustn't look beyond Tyrone as it's undoubtedly a tough championship, with top players, but its a head scratcher don't you think?
Ulster on nobody's radar until the O'Neill Cup is in the clubhouse and the weeks drinking is done. The greater number of clubs would add to the spread of talent around the county, the parishes of Clonoe and Coalisland have 7 clubs, with 3 of them senior in 2022, I don't know would you get that too often elsewhere. Undoubtedly this leaves the Tyrone intermediate and junior champions in a great position, as they tend to be relatively big clubs in their own right most years. Clearly it detracts from the very top end in comparison to the rest of Ulster, as is blatantly clear in the Ulster club roll of honour.