Paddy Power odds.
Limerick 8/13
Galway 8/1
Waterford 9/1
Cork 9/1
Tipperary 9/1
Kilkenny 11/1
Clare 20/1
Wexford 33/1
Dublin 66/1
Where will Limerick's biggest threat come from?
I'd be wary of Waterford for some reason.
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 17, 2022, 02:44:17 PM
Where will Limerick's biggest threat come from?
I'd be wary of Waterford for some reason.
I'd be inclined to agree, but they'd be better holding off till an AI final or semi-final as you'll only catch Limerick cold once, so might as well make it a knockout blow.
Let's see how Cork go again, if they have developed or grown since last year.
Waterford if they work on team play rather than the off the cuff stuff they seem to play
Kilkenny will still give teams a rattle
Tipp, who knows?
Galway will need a couple of seasons to bed in the new manager
Cork have lost a few very good players and will probably struggle. They do have a lot of good youth coming through though so maybe in a few years will step up. If you took Patrick Horgan out they'd really struggle.
Kk must surely drop off - what age is tj now? Colin fennelly retiring also a blow.
Tipp will be interesting. I think they may be coming close to hitting a transitional period (though maybe are just shy of it )Surely the likes of callinan and Pauline Maher can't go on forever?
Galway are a lottery.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2022, 09:01:45 PM
Cork have lost a few very good players and will probably struggle. They do have a lot of good youth coming through though so maybe in a few years will step up. If you took Patrick Horgan out they'd really struggle.
Kk must surely drop off - what age is tj now? Colin fennelly retiring also a blow.
Tipp will be interesting. I think they may be coming close to hitting a transitional period (though maybe are just shy of it )Surely the likes of callinan and Pauline Maher can't go on forever?
Galway are a lottery.
;D
Quote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 08:14:35 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2022, 09:01:45 PM
Cork have lost a few very good players and will probably struggle. They do have a lot of good youth coming through though so maybe in a few years will step up. If you took Patrick Horgan out they'd really struggle.
Kk must surely drop off - what age is tj now? Colin fennelly retiring also a blow.
Tipp will be interesting. I think they may be coming close to hitting a transitional period (though maybe are just shy of it )Surely the likes of callinan and Pauline Maher can't go on forever?
Galway are a lottery.
;D
Damn auto complete ;D
Tipp need a rebuild. They got as much as they could out of that team. Last year their best lasted 35 minutes.
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 11:11:07 AM
Tipp need a rebuild. They got as much as they could out of that team. Last year their best lasted 35 minutes.
We have 2 u21/20 all ireland winning squads that are now 22/23/24
With hindsight changes should have been made at half time in the Munster final with us 10 points up
But hindsight is cheap now
Limerick got the breaks with one if not 2 red cards missed
But tipp showed the way last year for 37 mins as to how to take Limerick on
Let's see how they got on this year in a compact attritional round robin Munster championship,they struggled in 19 after winning the all ireland the previous year with this format.They had a much clearer run in 20 and 21 when it wasn't played.
They have Cork away round 1
Waterford at home round 2
Clare in Ennis round 3 which could be a very tricky one for them
Tipperary at home round 4
4 games in the space of 5 weeks
Squad depth is also an issue with them,it will be interesting to see if Adam English and a few more more force their way in
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 18, 2022, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 11:11:07 AM
Tipp need a rebuild. They got as much as they could out of that team. Last year their best lasted 35 minutes.
We have 2 u21/20 all ireland winning squads that are now 22/23/24
With hindsight changes should have been made at half time in the Munster final with us 10 points up
But hindsight is cheap now
Limerick got the breaks with one if not 2 red cards missed
But tipp showed the way last year for 37 mins as to how to take Limerick on
Let's see how they got on this year in a compact attritional round robin Munster championship,they struggled in 19 after winning the all ireland the previous year with this format.They had a much clearer run in 20 and 21 when it wasn't played.
They have Cork away round 1
Waterford at home round 2
Clare in Ennis round 3 which could be a very tricky one for them
Tipperary at home round 4
4 games in the space of 5 weeks
Squad depth is also an issue with them,it will be interesting to see if Adam English and a few more more force their way in
WRT the Munster final, Tipp did indeed bypass the middle third, went long, by passing the Limerick halfback line with Seamy Callinan flicking the ball down to the runners coming through and enjoyed a lot of scores off that process UNTIL Dan Morrisey was brought into the fray at the expense of Richie English. That turned the game round for Limerick and from then on they turned the screw in a serious way that Tipp couldn't cope with.
Yes, Guillane should have got a red for slapping Barrett, it was a red every day of the week, except in a Munster final it seems. I still think Limerick would have went on for the win but we'll never know.
Squad wise with the condensed championship we have now I'd say Limerick are better placed than most to cope with a few injuries along the way. They've a very settled 20 or so lads will plenty of championship experience and whilst they got beat by Cork in last years U20's they were nip and tuck the whole way so they've more to come and I think some were blooded the weekend past vrs Kerry with Clare to come.
They're better placed than most to deal with a tight schedule but obviously everyone will be hoping key personnel avoid anything serious.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 18, 2022, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 11:11:07 AM
Tipp need a rebuild. They got as much as they could out of that team. Last year their best lasted 35 minutes.
We have 2 u21/20 all ireland winning squads that are now 22/23/24
With hindsight changes should have been made at half time in the Munster final with us 10 points up
But hindsight is cheap now
Limerick got the breaks with one if not 2 red cards missed
But tipp showed the way last year for 37 mins as to how to take Limerick on
Let's see how they got on this year in a compact attritional round robin Munster championship,they struggled in 19 after winning the all ireland the previous year with this format.They had a much clearer run in 20 and 21 when it wasn't played.
They have Cork away round 1
Waterford at home round 2
Clare in Ennis round 3 which could be a very tricky one for them
Tipperary at home round 4
4 games in the space of 5 weeks
Squad depth is also an issue with them,it will be interesting to see if Adam English and a few more more force their way in
WRT the Munster final, Tipp did indeed bypass the middle third, went long, by passing the Limerick halfback line with Seamy Callinan flicking the ball down to the runners coming through and enjoyed a lot of scores off that process UNTIL Dan Morrisey was brought into the fray at the expense of Richie English. That turned the game round for Limerick and from then on they turned the screw in a serious way that Tipp couldn't cope with.
Yes, Guillane should have got a red for slapping Barrett, it was a red every day of the week, except in a Munster final it seems. I still think Limerick would have went on for the win but we'll never know.
Squad wise with the condensed championship we have now I'd say Limerick are better placed than most to cope with a few injuries along the way. They've a very settled 20 or so lads will plenty of championship experience and whilst they got beat by Cork in last years U20's they were nip and tuck the whole way so they've more to come and I think some were blooded the weekend past vrs Kerry with Clare to come.
They're better placed than most to deal with a tight schedule but obviously everyone will be hoping key personnel avoid anything serious.
It was Jason Forde not Callinan that did the damage in the first half of that Munster final against Limerick
He roved around the 40 and was given free reign.
The first 4/5 minutes of the second half was when the tide really turned
The Limerick forwards upped their work rate and stopped the tipp backs hitting accurate ball out of defence
Limerick have been using the same 17 odd hurlers for the last 2 all irelands
It's going to be fascinating to find who else they have in a no holds barred compressed Munster championship
Any 3 from the 5 could come out of it and a good start is vital
Tipp had a good start and failed when it mattered!
Teams used to go toe to toe with Kilkenny back in the day, it was the last ten minutes when the dust settled that Kilkenny tagged on a goal and 4 or 5 points that won it for them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2022, 09:01:11 PM
Tipp had a good start and failed when it mattered!
Teams used to go toe to toe with Kilkenny back in the day, it was the last ten minutes when the dust settled that Kilkenny tagged on a goal and 4 or 5 points that won it for them.
That must News to the likes of Waterford in the 08 All ireland final where they buried them in the first 5 minutes
Kilkenny went for the jugular early on in a lot of games
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 18, 2022, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 18, 2022, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 11:11:07 AM
Tipp need a rebuild. They got as much as they could out of that team. Last year their best lasted 35 minutes.
We have 2 u21/20 all ireland winning squads that are now 22/23/24
With hindsight changes should have been made at half time in the Munster final with us 10 points up
But hindsight is cheap now
Limerick got the breaks with one if not 2 red cards missed
But tipp showed the way last year for 37 mins as to how to take Limerick on
Let's see how they got on this year in a compact attritional round robin Munster championship,they struggled in 19 after winning the all ireland the previous year with this format.They had a much clearer run in 20 and 21 when it wasn't played.
They have Cork away round 1
Waterford at home round 2
Clare in Ennis round 3 which could be a very tricky one for them
Tipperary at home round 4
4 games in the space of 5 weeks
Squad depth is also an issue with them,it will be interesting to see if Adam English and a few more more force their way in
WRT the Munster final, Tipp did indeed bypass the middle third, went long, by passing the Limerick halfback line with Seamy Callinan flicking the ball down to the runners coming through and enjoyed a lot of scores off that process UNTIL Dan Morrisey was brought into the fray at the expense of Richie English. That turned the game round for Limerick and from then on they turned the screw in a serious way that Tipp couldn't cope with.
Yes, Guillane should have got a red for slapping Barrett, it was a red every day of the week, except in a Munster final it seems. I still think Limerick would have went on for the win but we'll never know.
Squad wise with the condensed championship we have now I'd say Limerick are better placed than most to cope with a few injuries along the way. They've a very settled 20 or so lads will plenty of championship experience and whilst they got beat by Cork in last years U20's they were nip and tuck the whole way so they've more to come and I think some were blooded the weekend past vrs Kerry with Clare to come.
They're better placed than most to deal with a tight schedule but obviously everyone will be hoping key personnel avoid anything serious.
It was Jason Forde not Callinan that did the damage in the first half of that Munster final against Limerick
He roved around the 40 and was given free reign.
The first 4/5 minutes of the second half was when the tide really turned
The Limerick forwards upped their work rate and stopped the tipp backs hitting accurate ball out of defence
Limerick have been using the same 17 odd hurlers for the last 2 all irelands
It's going to be fascinating to find who else they have in a no holds barred compressed Munster championship
Any 3 from the 5 could come out of it and a good start is vital
Callinan was the one knocking the balls down for Forde and the runners coming through. The two goals came from high balls in knocked down by Callinan to runners off his shoulder IIRC.
Limerick are probably the best at changing tactics during the game, and use the water breaks very effectively which I'd like to see the end off.
After a disastrous start S'niel have played their way back into this battle.
Gunner are releasing the ball before the tackles into space, they've that bitta extra skill and for the moment matching S'niel's intensity..
Rodgers is some pup all the same
Some shot and save during that first half. If S'neil are within one score with 5 to go they'll have a good chance, discipline will win or lose this game, threatening to boil over
Quote from: johnnycool on January 19, 2022, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 18, 2022, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 18, 2022, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 11:11:07 AM
Tipp need a rebuild. They got as much as they could out of that team. Last year their best lasted 35 minutes.
We have 2 u21/20 all ireland winning squads that are now 22/23/24
With hindsight changes should have been made at half time in the Munster final with us 10 points up
But hindsight is cheap now
Limerick got the breaks with one if not 2 red cards missed
But tipp showed the way last year for 37 mins as to how to take Limerick on
Let's see how they got on this year in a compact attritional round robin Munster championship,they struggled in 19 after winning the all ireland the previous year with this format.They had a much clearer run in 20 and 21 when it wasn't played.
They have Cork away round 1
Waterford at home round 2
Clare in Ennis round 3 which could be a very tricky one for them
Tipperary at home round 4
4 games in the space of 5 weeks
Squad depth is also an issue with them,it will be interesting to see if Adam English and a few more more force their way in
WRT the Munster final, Tipp did indeed bypass the middle third, went long, by passing the Limerick halfback line with Seamy Callinan flicking the ball down to the runners coming through and enjoyed a lot of scores off that process UNTIL Dan Morrisey was brought into the fray at the expense of Richie English. That turned the game round for Limerick and from then on they turned the screw in a serious way that Tipp couldn't cope with.
Yes, Guillane should have got a red for slapping Barrett, it was a red every day of the week, except in a Munster final it seems. I still think Limerick would have went on for the win but we'll never know.
Squad wise with the condensed championship we have now I'd say Limerick are better placed than most to cope with a few injuries along the way. They've a very settled 20 or so lads will plenty of championship experience and whilst they got beat by Cork in last years U20's they were nip and tuck the whole way so they've more to come and I think some were blooded the weekend past vrs Kerry with Clare to come.
They're better placed than most to deal with a tight schedule but obviously everyone will be hoping key personnel avoid anything serious.
It was Jason Forde not Callinan that did the damage in the first half of that Munster final against Limerick
He roved around the 40 and was given free reign.
The first 4/5 minutes of the second half was when the tide really turned
The Limerick forwards upped their work rate and stopped the tipp backs hitting accurate ball out of defence
Limerick have been using the same 17 odd hurlers for the last 2 all irelands
It's going to be fascinating to find who else they have in a no holds barred compressed Munster championship
Any 3 from the 5 could come out of it and a good start is vital
Callinan was the one knocking the balls down for Forde and the runners coming through. The two goals came from high balls in knocked down by Callinan to runners off his shoulder IIRC.
Limerick are probably the best at changing tactics during the game, and use the water breaks very effectively which I'd like to see the end off.
The first Tipperary goal was a result of a barry hogan puckout which Jake morris ran onto and scored
The second one was again a puckout which broke off a Limerick back
Coaching Breaks are gone
How sick would you be losing that game. Horrendous way to lose.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 23, 2022, 05:06:03 PM
How sick would you be losing that game. Horrendous way to lose.
you'd be absolutely sick. looking back should they not have had more players between tj and the goal? some strike all the same
I don't think I've seen many games where the winner deserved to win less. Seems to be a few people debating whether it was a penalty too. When you have a boy like tj Reid you always have a chance. Eoin Cody some player too.
Really feel for st Thomas's.
Haven't watched the game, recorded it so will watch tomorrow, ballyhale are not the team of last few years, have said it a few times.
Backed Thomas's plus 5 at evens, so disappointed that ballyhale won
St Thomas were slightly better and more balanced team all round. This is one of those rare occasions when the best team looses in hurling.
Ballyhale have been on the ropes against O Loughlin Gaels, St Ryan's and now St Thomas and gotten over the.line by the skin of their teeth.
I think they will win the final because of experience and the Croke Park factor.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 23, 2022, 06:17:28 PM
I don't think I've seen many games where the winner deserved to win less. Seems to be a few people debating whether it was a penalty too. When you have a boy like tj Reid you always have a chance. Eoin Cody some player too.
Really feel for st Thomas's.
Great game all the same and whilst St Thomas' played most of the hurling Ballyhale kept themselves in contention as wily old hands do.
The penalty was a bit iffy as Fennelly just put the head down and charged into the Thomas' lad, the only thing that I could think of why the referee may have given the penalty was that the defender grabbed the faceguard on the way down and pulled Fennelly on top of himself. That's the only thing I could see out of it but the initial foul IMO was Fennelly charging..
TJ isn't covering the ground as well as he has and that's to be expected but he's some operator in a ruck with great ability to win those types of ball, superb vision and ability to get the pass off to a teammate. Still a joy to watch but i think he might call it a day with Kilkenny after the final. Just my gut instinct on that one. Can't understand how the free at the end made it's way in as Thomas' should have got bodies as close to TJ as the referee would allow and those lads need to make sure the ball hits you and it was a decent enough height for that to happen. They'll rue that one for manys a day....
Shamrocks are unashamedly direct with high balls lobbed most of the time into the danger area for Fennelly (who i thought was marshalled well) and Reid to battle for. Reid drifted out for a while to get Ballyhale ticking. Eoin Cody looks to be the real deal for the next while for Kilkenny but he too faded out the game for long periods but their defence struggled yesterday and thomas' had them for pace more often than not, so the final will come down to how well Ballygunner can handle the high ball and how well Ballyhale can handle the pace of Ballygunner.
FWIW, SN give them a right good go of it and it was Ballygunner who were holding out at the final whistle. They just couldn't get the score down to 3 points to get Ballygunner panicky. They'd it down to 4 but then Ballygunner went up the field and tacked on the next three. The SN goal brought them back into it, but Ballygunner held out well and aren't a bit shy themselves when it comes to the physical side of the game.
It'll be an interesting final and TBH I think Ballygunner might just do it as Ballyhale surely must be running out of lives and it looked like their corner back left the field with a broken hand as well as the other lad limping off in the first half.
Two great adverts for club hurling to be fair.
Unbelievably tough on St Thomas's, IMO the penalty was never a penalty. Have no idea why the ref didnt consult his umpires, you can't win the ball and turn directly into a man and try to run straight over the top of him, was a free out all day every day.
On the free, cynical pull down for sure, but look where the incident happened compared to where the free was taken from. The linesman started moving the ball back to where it occurred and then realised oh it's TJ he can put it where ever he likes. No taking away from the finish but if its taken from the correct place, he doesnt score it on that angle. Two very poor calls and that's the difference in who goes to the final.
The other game probably suffered from being played in Parnell, no idea why they keep taking hurling matches to there. I thought Ballygunnar played within themselves really and just kept SN at arms length the whole game. Not really impressed with the SN tactics off the ball and the continual mouthing of some players, something they have never been pulled on until yesterday.
Saw a lot of comments on on SM about CO'D, I dont get that at all. I thought he got found out slightly. Ballygunnar no.8 continually available for the out ball from defence and ran the show around the middle of the field. In fact they totally dominated this area and was the platform for a lot of handy scores.
Was out so didn't see the second game, have it recorded so will watch it later.
I heard Banagher were called black bastards and prods!! If that's the best a team can come out with during a game its very sad
Quote from: NAG1 on January 24, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
Saw a lot of comments on on SM about CO'D, I dont get that at all. I thought he got found out slightly. Ballygunnar no.8 continually available for the out ball from defence and ran the show around the middle of the field. In fact they totally dominated this area and was the platform for a lot of handy scores.
I'm no hurling expert but I couldn't help notice how much BG were allowed to dominate from puck outs especially no8, marking non-existent. Presuming Slaughtneil dominate Ulster for another year or two, what is it they need to properly challenge, apart from another Brendan Rodgers? I just get the feeling that they're a level below the top clubs in the country.
Quote from: general_lee on January 24, 2022, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 24, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
Saw a lot of comments on on SM about CO'D, I dont get that at all. I thought he got found out slightly. Ballygunnar no.8 continually available for the out ball from defence and ran the show around the middle of the field. In fact they totally dominated this area and was the platform for a lot of handy scores.
I'm no hurling expert but I couldn't help notice how much BG were allowed to dominate from puck outs especially no8, marking non-existent. Presuming Slaughtneil dominate Ulster for another year or two, what is it they need to properly challenge, apart from another Brendan Rodgers? I just get the feeling that they're a level below the top clubs in the country.
Ballygunner made mincemeat out of Kilmallock, the Limerick champions who in turn made mincemeat out of Midleton, the Cork champions, they were made to earn their victory there yesterday and yes, maybe allowing Ballygunner to create and take so many scores from their own puck-outs would need looked at but SN are definitely there or there abouts.
Watched back the TJ Reid free there and was surprised at how few St Thomas' players were in front of him when he struck it.
They should have had a wall of two like in football, prepared to get hit with the ball with another bank of players behind them and if the referee is allowing BH players closer than the 20 metres then he'd have to allowed the St Thomas' lads the same latitude. As said before, they're the types of defeats that cause endless sleepless nights for all involved.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 24, 2022, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 24, 2022, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 24, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
Saw a lot of comments on on SM about CO'D, I dont get that at all. I thought he got found out slightly. Ballygunnar no.8 continually available for the out ball from defence and ran the show around the middle of the field. In fact they totally dominated this area and was the platform for a lot of handy scores.
I'm no hurling expert but I couldn't help notice how much BG were allowed to dominate from puck outs especially no8, marking non-existent. Presuming Slaughtneil dominate Ulster for another year or two, what is it they need to properly challenge, apart from another Brendan Rodgers? I just get the feeling that they're a level below the top clubs in the country.
Ballygunner made mincemeat out of Kilmallock, the Limerick champions who in turn made mincemeat out of Midleton, the Cork champions, they were made to earn their victory there yesterday and yes, maybe allowing Ballygunner to create and take so many scores from their own puck-outs would need looked at but SN are definitely there or there abouts.
Watched back the TJ Reid free there and was surprised at how few St Thomas' players were in front of him when he struck it.
They should have had a wall of two like in football, prepared to get hit with the ball with another bank of players behind them and if the referee is allowing BH players closer than the 20 metres then he'd have to allowed the St Thomas' lads the same latitude. As said before, they're the types of defeats that cause endless sleepless nights for all involved.
Just seen it, criminal from Thomas'. 5 lads in the vicinity but standing out of the way/not in the potential line of the ball, lads (forwards) standing down the pitch watching. I'm sorry but as gut-wrenching as it would be they have no-one to blame but themselves.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1485299697573109765
The keeper is 100% to blame.
Just as TJ rises the ball he makes a hare brained 5 yard dash off the line and gets nowhere near the ball.
The ball hits the net in pretty much the exact spot that the keeper has just vacated
Mad stuff from him.
Agree with JC - build a wall of men and (unlike the keeper yesterday) don't feckin move!
Horrible way to lose, but we've all been there.
Coming out of Mass last night I met one of me old hard-core hurling mates from Galway. He was telling me the night before the game TJ had is hurl in water to make the boss very heavy. His technique is masterful, how he can raise the ball and put the maximum weight of his body behind the shot. As soon as he hit the sweet spot he knew it was going in. That was a bullet he fired! In real time I didn't see the sliotar, all I saw was the net bulge. The only thing you can hope for is the ball comes off your body if your a defender.
I played a small stint in the backs back in the day but one of the first things we would do is one man would stand in front of the free taker until we were all positioned right in the backs. I thought St Thomas were to casual for that free. Amazing.
Interesting to hear how TJ would water the hurls before the night of a huge game. We would winterize our hurls by drilling a hole in the handle and filling it with linseed oil so it would seep through the ash over a few weeks of winter. Same idea with the boss.
Slaughtneil were just unlucky. Off to a poor start and even missed a glaring goal chance themselves. The one time at the start the Slaughtneil forward was breaking through and was in two minds what to do with his shot ended up hitting it very tamely probably because he had to much time to think about it.
At half time Slaughtneil had more possession according to the stats. They worked very hard to pull the gap back to two points, then were caught very laxidaisical for the start of the second half when they coughed up that 2nd goal.
Ballygunner really swarmed their goal mouth in the 2nd half and were very syniccal with their defening. One passage of play the Slaughtneil forward nearly had the shirt pulled off and didn't even get a free.
Bringing Brendan Rodgers out to the half forward line made a big difference but it was too little too late at that stage. I think they will win Ulster next year again.
so watched the game last night, As Johnny said, the Shamrocks kept themselves in the game, St Thomas's will need to know how to manage out a game better, they didn't apply the brakes when they were 3 points up before the penalty or when they went back 2 points up in injury time, of which there was only 3 to see out.
On the penalty he could have gave a free out for charging, as he raised his hurl chest level and threw the head down, the pull down of the helmet happened after, so you blow the first free if he seen it as a free.
As for the last second winner, they had managed both TJ and Colin on the edge of the square the whole game, without any real hassle, panicking at the death undid all the great work, TJ was going out wide, the defender just needed to push him further out and let him try and develop something from a wider position, or foul him 30 yards out, as for the free, the only option Ballyhale had was to go for goal, so 15 men along that line or a line of 2 7's plus the keeper would have provided better cover, I think one player ducked once it was hit.
Ballygunner for me and by at least 5 points, the first half of the game yesterday was decent enough, though plenty of frees,, second half was poor enough affair until the last 8 minutes of the game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
so watched the game last night, As Johnny said, the Shamrocks kept themselves in the game, St Thomas's will need to know how to manage out a game better, they didn't apply the brakes when they were 3 points up before the penalty or when they went back 2 points up in injury time, of which there was only 3 to see out.
On the penalty he could have gave a free out for charging, as he raised his hurl chest level and threw the head down, the pull down of the helmet happened after, so you blow the first free if he seen it as a free.
As for the last second winner, they had managed both TJ and Colin on the edge of the square the whole game, without any real hassle, panicking at the death undid all the great work, TJ was going out wide, the defender just needed to push him further out and let him try and develop something from a wider position, or foul him 30 yards out, as for the free, the only option Ballyhale had was to go for goal, so 15 men along that line or a line of 2 7's plus the keeper would have provided better cover, I think one player ducked once it was hit.
Ballygunner for me and by at least 5 points, the first half of the game yesterday was decent enough, though plenty of frees,, second half was poor enough affair until the last 8 minutes of the game
Fennelly was definitely charging but if the defender had of fallen on his back as he was going to do rather than grab the faceguard and pull Fennelly down on top of him then IMO the referee should have given the free out and yes the first foul was the charge which IMO was pretty obvious but alas wasn't given...
Tough on St Thomas' that but the big teams always get the close calls in the heat of battle.
The referee rightly in my mind did blow up a lot of frees for slaps with hurls and hands at faceguards of lads in possession of the ball and TBH Ballyhale were the biggest offenders. Maybe they're so used to the lax refereeing in Kilkenny, I don't know. It near cost them the game.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 25, 2022, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
so watched the game last night, As Johnny said, the Shamrocks kept themselves in the game, St Thomas's will need to know how to manage out a game better, they didn't apply the brakes when they were 3 points up before the penalty or when they went back 2 points up in injury time, of which there was only 3 to see out.
On the penalty he could have gave a free out for charging, as he raised his hurl chest level and threw the head down, the pull down of the helmet happened after, so you blow the first free if he seen it as a free.
As for the last second winner, they had managed both TJ and Colin on the edge of the square the whole game, without any real hassle, panicking at the death undid all the great work, TJ was going out wide, the defender just needed to push him further out and let him try and develop something from a wider position, or foul him 30 yards out, as for the free, the only option Ballyhale had was to go for goal, so 15 men along that line or a line of 2 7's plus the keeper would have provided better cover, I think one player ducked once it was hit.
Ballygunner for me and by at least 5 points, the first half of the game yesterday was decent enough, though plenty of frees,, second half was poor enough affair until the last 8 minutes of the game
Fennelly was definitely charging but if the defender had of fallen on his back as he was going to do rather than grab the faceguard and pull Fennelly down on top of him then IMO the referee should have given the free out and yes the first foul was the charge which IMO was pretty obvious but alas wasn't given...
Tough on St Thomas' that but the big teams always get the close calls in the heat of battle.
The referee rightly in my mind did blow up a lot of frees for slaps with hurls and hands at faceguards of lads in possession of the ball and TBH Ballyhale were the biggest offenders. Maybe they're so used to the lax refereeing in Kilkenny, I don't know. It near cost them the game.
Outside of frees Cooney doesn't give as much as TJ. But if I was manager I'd have a free taker who doesn't miss on the team all day long!!
He's a full forward I think and not a half forward IMO. TJ just needs constant watching.
Paudie Maher retired on medical grounds. Neck injury.
That's a major blow to Tipp. I always thought he was a dirty animal lol but even with that you can't take away that he was a fantastic hurler. Lauded on twitter as one of the "all time greats". He definitely was massively influential.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 01, 2022, 09:18:41 AM
Paudie Maher retired on medical grounds. Neck injury.
That's a major blow to Tipp. I always thought he was a dirty animal lol but even with that you can't take away that he was a fantastic hurler. Lauded on twitter as one of the "all time greats". He definitely was massively influential.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277055-tipperarys-padraic-maher-retires-due-to-neck-injury/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277055-tipperarys-padraic-maher-retires-due-to-neck-injury/)
Was training last week
Tipp players only made aware of it before it was announced this morning
Finished with club and county
6 all stars
3 all irelands
7 county medals
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on February 01, 2022, 11:41:13 AM
Was training last week
Tipp players only made aware of it before it was announced this morning
Finished with club and county
6 all stars
3 all irelands
7 county medals
Only seeing this now, but he was a bloody good hurler, you'd have him in your team any day of the week, early days he probably didn't play the greatest of balls into the forwards until O'Shea got his hands on him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 01, 2022, 09:18:41 AM
Paudie Maher retired on medical grounds. Neck injury.
That's a major blow to Tipp. I always thought he was a dirty animal lol but even with that you can't take away that he was a fantastic hurler. Lauded on twitter as one of the "all time greats". He definitely was massively influential.
Sure, every teams needs that bit of a bite, Kilkenny had plenty of lads able to break the ash off you, but I suppose he'd be remembered for breaking Michael Fennelly's (IIRC) hand....
KK had a real beef with him I think and they were no angels.
No matter he was a great hurler and one hardy boy. Always thought to beat Tipp you needed to man mark him which says a lot for a half back. (Used to think the same of Crossmaglen and Aaron Kernan)
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 01, 2022, 02:29:44 PM
KK had a real beef with him I think and they were no angels.
No matter he was a great hurler and one hardy boy. Always thought to beat Tipp you needed to man mark him which says a lot for a half back. (Used to think the same of Crossmaglen and Aaron Kernan)
Top class physical hurler, fielding and sheer determination to get to the ball was up there with the best, would not have liked to be on the same pitch as him never mind him chasing me down for a ball.
As Johnny had mentioned his distribution was hail Mary clearances but he refined it and eventually moving into the full back line where he was able to reduce the goal threats.
Probably the only regret (3 all irelands and the rest lol) will be the not winning a club all Ireland with that squad of players they had coming through Sarsfileds,
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 01, 2022, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 01, 2022, 02:29:44 PM
KK had a real beef with him I think and they were no angels.
No matter he was a great hurler and one hardy boy. Always thought to beat Tipp you needed to man mark him which says a lot for a half back. (Used to think the same of Crossmaglen and Aaron Kernan)
Top class physical hurler, fielding and sheer determination to get to the ball was up there with the best, would not have liked to be on the same pitch as him never mind him chasing me down for a ball.
As Johnny had mentioned his distribution was hail Mary clearances but he refined it and eventually moving into the full back line where he was able to reduce the goal threats.
Probably the only regret (3 all irelands and the rest lol) will be the not winning a club all Ireland with that squad of players they had coming through Sarsfileds,
He's an earlier spell in the No 3 jersey which didn't go well as the middle O'Hailpin caused him bother with his sheer height and so did Cussons who was a limited enough hurler but strong in the air.
Tipp then got a load of joy from him hurling in the half back line again once he was moved out.
In latter years he was moved back in but ultimately I think he was a better half back throughout his career.
Kilkenny not liking you is a badge of honour in Tipp, he'd be proud of that.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/colm-bonnar-if-i-was-worried-about-pressure-i-wouldn-t-have-taken-on-this-role-1.4791336
"He has been such a leader, a warrior, he always stood up," says Bonnar. "He was a colossal man in terms of being under the high ball. His power under that high ball always amazed me. I remember one of the games at full back he was marking Henry Shefflin, and he was just pulling ball out of the air for sport. What a skill that is in the game."
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/colm-bonnar-if-i-was-worried-about-pressure-i-wouldn-t-have-taken-on-this-role-1.4791336
Did he ever reflect on the pressure of having to rebuild a team while at the same time not falling off the competitive standard demanded by a county with Tipperary's traditions?
"No, I never mentioned pressure. If I was worried about pressure, I wouldn't have taken on this role. This is a challenge. I love being a Tipperary man and putting on that jersey is part of my DNA. Going up to Tipperary [from where he lives in Waterford] just feels so much like home to me. No, I'm not bothered.
"This might look easy to say but pressure doesn't come into my head in terms of what we are doing. I'm just trying to build those connections with the players, trying to develop a team and bring it as far as I can – wherever that is – once I know I'm getting the best from the players and the support we're offering them is the best, and we're getting the reaction.
"If I start focusing on results or start focusing on having to win an All-Ireland, then yeah I'm going to add huge pressure on myself, but also on the team. It's a work in progress and I'm excited to see where this journey is going to end."
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/colm-bonnar-if-i-was-worried-about-pressure-i-wouldn-t-have-taken-on-this-role-1.4791336
Did he ever reflect on the pressure of having to rebuild a team while at the same time not falling off the competitive standard demanded by a county with Tipperary's traditions?
"No, I never mentioned pressure. If I was worried about pressure, I wouldn't have taken on this role. This is a challenge. I love being a Tipperary man and putting on that jersey is part of my DNA. Going up to Tipperary [from where he lives in Waterford] just feels so much like home to me. No, I'm not bothered.
"This might look easy to say but pressure doesn't come into my head in terms of what we are doing. I'm just trying to build those connections with the players, trying to develop a team and bring it as far as I can – wherever that is – once I know I'm getting the best from the players and the support we're offering them is the best, and we're getting the reaction.
"If I start focusing on results or start focusing on having to win an All-Ireland, then yeah I'm going to add huge pressure on myself, but also on the team. It's a work in progress and I'm excited to see where this journey is going to end."
I don't think anyone in Tipp questions the need for a rebuild but the amount of grace that Bonnar gets will depend on how far they fall, if at all.
Getting beat by Cork or maybe Waterford by a small margin whilst blooding new players can probably be tolerated, but if the Clares and Wexfords and even the Dubs start beating them in qualifiers then questions may be asked.
Not sure about Cork as they are very poor at the minute I think and have lost a few. They'll be ahead of Wexford and Clare I suspect no matter what.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2022, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/colm-bonnar-if-i-was-worried-about-pressure-i-wouldn-t-have-taken-on-this-role-1.4791336
Did he ever reflect on the pressure of having to rebuild a team while at the same time not falling off the competitive standard demanded by a county with Tipperary's traditions?
"No, I never mentioned pressure. If I was worried about pressure, I wouldn't have taken on this role. This is a challenge. I love being a Tipperary man and putting on that jersey is part of my DNA. Going up to Tipperary [from where he lives in Waterford] just feels so much like home to me. No, I'm not bothered.
"This might look easy to say but pressure doesn't come into my head in terms of what we are doing. I'm just trying to build those connections with the players, trying to develop a team and bring it as far as I can – wherever that is – once I know I'm getting the best from the players and the support we're offering them is the best, and we're getting the reaction.
"If I start focusing on results or start focusing on having to win an All-Ireland, then yeah I'm going to add huge pressure on myself, but also on the team. It's a work in progress and I'm excited to see where this journey is going to end."
I don't think anyone in Tipp questions the need for a rebuild but the amount of grace that Bonnar gets will depend on how far they fall, if at all.
Getting beat by Cork or maybe Waterford by a small margin whilst blooding new players can probably be tolerated, but if the Clares and Wexfords and even the Dubs start beating them in qualifiers then questions may be asked.
They probably won't be expecting to dethrone Limerick for the next 2 seasons. The big prizes are afterwards.
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2022, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/colm-bonnar-if-i-was-worried-about-pressure-i-wouldn-t-have-taken-on-this-role-1.4791336
Did he ever reflect on the pressure of having to rebuild a team while at the same time not falling off the competitive standard demanded by a county with Tipperary's traditions?
"No, I never mentioned pressure. If I was worried about pressure, I wouldn't have taken on this role. This is a challenge. I love being a Tipperary man and putting on that jersey is part of my DNA. Going up to Tipperary [from where he lives in Waterford] just feels so much like home to me. No, I'm not bothered.
"This might look easy to say but pressure doesn't come into my head in terms of what we are doing. I'm just trying to build those connections with the players, trying to develop a team and bring it as far as I can – wherever that is – once I know I'm getting the best from the players and the support we're offering them is the best, and we're getting the reaction.
"If I start focusing on results or start focusing on having to win an All-Ireland, then yeah I'm going to add huge pressure on myself, but also on the team. It's a work in progress and I'm excited to see where this journey is going to end."
I don't think anyone in Tipp questions the need for a rebuild but the amount of grace that Bonnar gets will depend on how far they fall, if at all.
Getting beat by Cork or maybe Waterford by a small margin whilst blooding new players can probably be tolerated, but if the Clares and Wexfords and even the Dubs start beating them in qualifiers then questions may be asked.
They probably won't be expecting to dethrone Limerick for the next 2 seasons. The big prizes are afterwards.
The only team that can beat Limerick are Limerick themselves having a bad day and with the way Kiely is giving some panelists their noses for the big time there'll be fierce pressure for lads to keep a hold of a starting jersey.
Tipp are indeed a 2/3 year project in terms of getting to AI contenders but signs of progress will be needed early on for Bonnar to continue to have the supporters behind him.
They're a demanding bunch but there's realism in there as well.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild/
Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.
"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.
"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.
https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1488563389043515393 (https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1488563389043515393)
Paudie Maher. Slightly tougher than the average person lol.
Bonnar will have this year to rebuild and making an all ireland semifinal is a realistic target
Next year the expectation is that he will build on a semifinal appearance
Maher at full back will be a loss as his experience would be vital in bedding in probably Craig Morgan at corner back
Doubts persist over both keepers also
It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that for 2023
You could have a back 4
Of Rhys Shelly in goals
Barrett Eoghan Connolly Craig Morgan
It could happen even sooner
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2022, 02:09:32 PM
https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1488563389043515393 (https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1488563389043515393)
Paudie Maher. Slightly tougher than the average person lol.
Got it half way up the hurl shaft, not as bad as it looks.
If he'd taken full brunt of the boss then that's a different story.
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on February 02, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Bonnar will have this year to rebuild and making an all ireland semifinal is a realistic target
Next year the expectation is that he will build on a semifinal appearance
Maher at full back will be a loss as his experience would be vital in bedding in probably Craig Morgan at corner back
Doubts persist over both keepers also
It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that for 2023
You could have a back 4
Of Rhys Shelly in goals
Barrett Eoghan Connolly Craig Morgan
It could happen even sooner
I think he'll be needing the luck of the draw to achieve that this year and get an easy run in the qualifiers.
Limerick are favourites for a top two finish in Munster IMO, Waterford next, which would leave Cork, Tipp and Clare fighting it out for the third spot with Cork probably most likely but nothing is guaranteed in Munster.
It's doable for Tipp but will depend on how quickly Bonnar can settle on a good spine of the team with more pace in attack and in defence.
Brendan Maher is a huge loss and a hugely underestimated hurler in my book. Loved watching him in full flow.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on February 02, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Bonnar will have this year to rebuild and making an all ireland semifinal is a realistic target
Next year the expectation is that he will build on a semifinal appearance
Maher at full back will be a loss as his experience would be vital in bedding in probably Craig Morgan at corner back
Doubts persist over both keepers also
It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that for 2023
You could have a back 4
Of Rhys Shelly in goals
Barrett Eoghan Connolly Craig Morgan
It could happen even sooner
I think he'll be needing the luck of the draw to achieve that this year and get an easy run in the qualifiers.
Limerick are favourites for a top two finish in Munster IMO, Waterford next, which would leave Cork, Tipp and Clare fighting it out for the third spot with Cork probably most likely but nothing is guaranteed in Munster.
It's doable for Tipp but will depend on how quickly Bonnar can settle on a good spine of the team with more pace in attack and in defence.
Brendan Maher is a huge loss and a hugely underestimated hurler in my book. Loved watching him in full flow.
Your a brave man if you think you can predict the top 3 in a round robin Munster championship,the likes of Cork playing Clare in Thurles on account of Ed Sheerin could tip the balance
Tipp have a good spine the issue is bedding in the lads on either side of them as quickly as possible will be Bonnars test of management
Brendan would have been a fair option at corner back for even 20/25 minutes
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on February 02, 2022, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on February 02, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Bonnar will have this year to rebuild and making an all ireland semifinal is a realistic target
Next year the expectation is that he will build on a semifinal appearance
Maher at full back will be a loss as his experience would be vital in bedding in probably Craig Morgan at corner back
Doubts persist over both keepers also
It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that for 2023
You could have a back 4
Of Rhys Shelly in goals
Barrett Eoghan Connolly Craig Morgan
It could happen even sooner
I think he'll be needing the luck of the draw to achieve that this year and get an easy run in the qualifiers.
Limerick are favourites for a top two finish in Munster IMO, Waterford next, which would leave Cork, Tipp and Clare fighting it out for the third spot with Cork probably most likely but nothing is guaranteed in Munster.
It's doable for Tipp but will depend on how quickly Bonnar can settle on a good spine of the team with more pace in attack and in defence.
Brendan Maher is a huge loss and a hugely underestimated hurler in my book. Loved watching him in full flow.
Your a brave man if you think you can predict the top 3 in a round robin Munster championship,the likes of Cork playing Clare in Thurles on account of Ed Sheerin could tip the balance
Tipp have a good spine the issue is bedding in the lads on either side of them as quickly as possible will be Bonnars test of management
Brendan would have been a fair option at corner back for even 20/25 minutes
I know it's a minefield in Munster as you never really know what Clare are going to turn up, the same could be said of Waterford in the past but I think Cahill has got a bit of consistency in them and they'll be hard to work with.
Will Bonnar start Ronan Maher at 3 or 6?
Quote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2022, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on February 02, 2022, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on February 02, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Bonnar will have this year to rebuild and making an all ireland semifinal is a realistic target
Next year the expectation is that he will build on a semifinal appearance
Maher at full back will be a loss as his experience would be vital in bedding in probably Craig Morgan at corner back
Doubts persist over both keepers also
It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that for 2023
You could have a back 4
Of Rhys Shelly in goals
Barrett Eoghan Connolly Craig Morgan
It could happen even sooner
I think he'll be needing the luck of the draw to achieve that this year and get an easy run in the qualifiers.
Limerick are favourites for a top two finish in Munster IMO, Waterford next, which would leave Cork, Tipp and Clare fighting it out for the third spot with Cork probably most likely but nothing is guaranteed in Munster.
It's doable for Tipp but will depend on how quickly Bonnar can settle on a good spine of the team with more pace in attack and in defence.
Brendan Maher is a huge loss and a hugely underestimated hurler in my book. Loved watching him in full flow.
Your a brave man if you think you can predict the top 3 in a round robin Munster championship,the likes of Cork playing Clare in Thurles on account of Ed Sheerin could tip the balance
Tipp have a good spine the issue is bedding in the lads on either side of them as quickly as possible will be Bonnars test of management
Brendan would have been a fair option at corner back for even 20/25 minutes
I know it's a minefield in Munster as you never really know what Clare are going to turn up, the same could be said of Waterford in the past but I think Cahill has got a bit of consistency in them and they'll be hard to work with.
Will Bonnar start Ronan Maher at 3 or 6?
Clare in Cusack Park are a tough proposition
Them v Limerick at home will be tasty
Ronan wins all star at centre back at 19 years of age
I'd be hoping that he stays at 6,it's his best position
Joe quaid on laochra gael tonight 9.30
His testicle exploded :o (I saw it on an advert for this show)
I.know it's February when anything is possible but Tipp haven't set the world on fire in the last 2 seasons and building a new team to follow one that went all the way to the top and stayed there takes time. Ask Cody. Or Barcelona.
Plus Limerick have more money.
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Cork, Kilkenny and Tipperary probably won't be adding to their collections over the next while.
Quote from: seafoid on February 04, 2022, 07:53:36 AM
I.know it's February when anything is possible but Tipp haven't set the world on fire in the last 2 seasons and building a new team to follow one that went all the way to the top and stayed there takes time. Ask Cody. Or Barcelona.
Plus Limerick have more money.
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Cork, Kilkenny and Tipperary probably won't be adding to their collections over the next while.
Kilkenny would still be favourites for Leinster even with dropping off a bit but Leinster medals fall down the backs of sofa's down there and don't carry much currency.
They'll always fancy themselves to win an AI semifinal all the same.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/p%C3%A1draic-maher-and-the-stark-warning-that-forced-him-to-call-time-on-playing-career-1.4793047
Pádraic Maher and the stark warning that forced him to call time on playing career
Doctor asked him: 'Do you want your girlfriend lifting you off the couch to put you to bed every night?'
about 16 hours ago
Seán Moran
Pádraic Maher has known extraordinary weeks. In the space of six days in 2010 he went from winning Tipperary's first All-Ireland in nearly a decade to captaining the county's under-21s as they stamped their authority on Galway in the All-Ireland final. More than 20,000 were in Semple Stadium to watch.
"We put the champagne on ice; we can take it out of the ice now," he said afterwards.
On Thursday he held a remote media conference to outline a different sort of week: one where he had gone from nursing an ankle problem before the start of a new season, his 14th, to having to explain publicly how a neck injury had ended his career .
Maher thinks he may have picked up a knock during training with his club Thurles Sarsfields last November because the symptoms occurred around the time of that month's county final.
Although the symptoms faded away when the season was over, he decided to make sure before the new season got under way. Dr Paul Ryan, the Tipperary doctor, and his predecessor Brendan Murphy, the former Offaly hurler, mediated the news from various consultants. It was over.
"To be honest with you, they are hurling people so they know the way I am thinking as well and they were very straight up that this was the best choice to make now.
"When the lads were . . . fairly adamant in their decision, it was taken out of my hands because I was not going to go against the medics' advice. There was no point at this stage of my life."
There certainly wasn't. The alternative suite of possibilities made that clear.
"The list was very eye-opening. He only listed off what the damage could be, especially when you are working in the head and neck area. He put it to me, 'do you want your girlfriend lifting you off the couch to put you to bed every night?'
"It was that extreme so when he started talking like that, I said, this is a fairly black and white decision for me."
Pádraic Maher raises the All-Ireland under-21 trophy after Tipperary's win over Galway in the 2010. Photograph: Morgan Treacy/Inpho
Encouragingly he was assured that he it was still possible to get out before anything serious happened.
"That's exactly it. The doctor said to me I was walking in as a fit 32-year-old and everything working relatively all right. I asked what my health was going to be like going forward and he said I'd be fine once I took the risk out of it, and the risk is contact sport. Unfortunately that was not the news I really wanted but when he showed me the scans and what was involved."
He leaves as new manager Colm Bonnar has to come to terms with the departure of arguably the two most influential players of the whole era, as Brendan Maher had already retired after last season, but he remains confident for the future
"You see Brendan gone there now and now myself," he says. "Niall O'Meara has gone travelling for the year and there's a bit of experience gone all right but there's still loads of it there.
"You still have Séamie [Callanan] and Noel [McGrath] there and the likes of Séamus Kennedy and Ronan [his brother], Barry Heffernan, Jason Forde – they've all been there since 2014 and 2015 so they are only coming into the main part of their careers. There's a lot of experience there."
Quote from: johnnycool on February 04, 2022, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 04, 2022, 07:53:36 AM
I.know it's February when anything is possible but Tipp haven't set the world on fire in the last 2 seasons and building a new team to follow one that went all the way to the top and stayed there takes time. Ask Cody. Or Barcelona.
Plus Limerick have more money.
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Cork, Kilkenny and Tipperary probably won't be adding to their collections over the next while.
Kilkenny would still be favourites for Leinster even with dropping off a bit but Leinster medals fall down the backs of sofa's down there and don't carry much currency.
They'll always fancy themselves to win an AI semifinal all the same.
Leinster would be the weaker province at the moment.
Previously Cody could offer hurlers 5 all Ireland medals if they followed the programme. Now he can't.
KK used to be able to reel teams in . There was something ominous about it. Now they can't.
Quote from: seafoid on February 04, 2022, 10:16:16 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/p%C3%A1draic-maher-and-the-stark-warning-that-forced-him-to-call-time-on-playing-career-1.4793047
Pádraic Maher and the stark warning that forced him to call time on playing career
Doctor asked him: 'Do you want your girlfriend lifting you off the couch to put you to bed every night?'
about 16 hours ago
Seán Moran
Pádraic Maher has known extraordinary weeks. In the space of six days in 2010 he went from winning Tipperary's first All-Ireland in nearly a decade to captaining the county's under-21s as they stamped their authority on Galway in the All-Ireland final. More than 20,000 were in Semple Stadium to watch.
"We put the champagne on ice; we can take it out of the ice now," he said afterwards.
On Thursday he held a remote media conference to outline a different sort of week: one where he had gone from nursing an ankle problem before the start of a new season, his 14th, to having to explain publicly how a neck injury had ended his career .
Maher thinks he may have picked up a knock during training with his club Thurles Sarsfields last November because the symptoms occurred around the time of that month's county final.
Although the symptoms faded away when the season was over, he decided to make sure before the new season got under way. Dr Paul Ryan, the Tipperary doctor, and his predecessor Brendan Murphy, the former Offaly hurler, mediated the news from various consultants. It was over.
"To be honest with you, they are hurling people so they know the way I am thinking as well and they were very straight up that this was the best choice to make now.
"When the lads were . . . fairly adamant in their decision, it was taken out of my hands because I was not going to go against the medics' advice. There was no point at this stage of my life."
There certainly wasn't. The alternative suite of possibilities made that clear.
"The list was very eye-opening. He only listed off what the damage could be, especially when you are working in the head and neck area. He put it to me, 'do you want your girlfriend lifting you off the couch to put you to bed every night?'
"It was that extreme so when he started talking like that, I said, this is a fairly black and white decision for me."
Pádraic Maher raises the All-Ireland under-21 trophy after Tipperary's win over Galway in the 2010. Photograph: Morgan Treacy/Inpho
Encouragingly he was assured that he it was still possible to get out before anything serious happened.
"That's exactly it. The doctor said to me I was walking in as a fit 32-year-old and everything working relatively all right. I asked what my health was going to be like going forward and he said I'd be fine once I took the risk out of it, and the risk is contact sport. Unfortunately that was not the news I really wanted but when he showed me the scans and what was involved."
He leaves as new manager Colm Bonnar has to come to terms with the departure of arguably the two most influential players of the whole era, as Brendan Maher had already retired after last season, but he remains confident for the future
"You see Brendan gone there now and now myself," he says. "Niall O'Meara has gone travelling for the year and there's a bit of experience gone all right but there's still loads of it there.
"You still have Séamie [Callanan] and Noel [McGrath] there and the likes of Séamus Kennedy and Ronan [his brother], Barry Heffernan, Jason Forde – they've all been there since 2014 and 2015 so they are only coming into the main part of their careers. There's a lot of experience there."
She's have to be doing some weights to lift him off the sofa
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/galway-coast-past-offaly-to-set-sights-on-limerick-next-week-1.4795273
Shane Ryan, son of former Galway star Eanna, set up Donal O'Shea, for their fourth goal with the Salthill/Knocknacarra player, whose dad Eamon managed Tipperary, becoming the first from his club to play in the league and he crowned it by blasting home in the closing stages.
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Down hurlers called 'Prods and Brits' during Carlow league clash, manager claims
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Down hurlers called 'Prods and Brits' during Carlow league clash, manager claims
Turns out there's a bit of truth in it, should never happen but the scoreboard tells its own tale..
That junior club final looked fantastic.
Austin Gleeson's vision for the pass that led to the penalty against Dublin - phenomenal. If that guy would stick to the hurling he would be phenomenal.
Gonna go for Ballygunner to shade it this afternoon. Serious pace in their team and the Ballyhale defence was lacking that in the semi, but TJ is TJ and if he is allowed to pull the strings then the shamrocks are in with a good shout.
Hoping for a good game
I'd like to see Ballygunner win but it will be very hard earned if they do. Ballyhale were on the ropes agin O Loughlins, St Ryan's and St Thomas. They managed to pull it out of the fire each time plus the Croke Park factor makes me fancy Ballyhale.
Some end to the hurling, Ballygunnar done to Ballyhale what they done to the Galway team in the semi.
Some finish. A goal to win it by 1 with the lack play of the game in the 3rd minute of injury time.
What irony!! Ballyhale landing sucker punches all year get sucker punched..in the final puck of the series. Only 30 miles between the two parishes.
RIP Kilkenny hurling.
What a goal to win it, brillant stuff
This speech wont last long in the memory
Edit - tho a wee swear word helps 😂
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 12, 2022, 04:28:58 PM
This speech wont last long in the memory
Edit - tho a wee swear word helps 😂
Ballyhale lads now know how the Thomas's lads feel..,
What an end, thought when Ballyhale had it out to 2 and the game on the blow it was in the bag.
Shamrocks had aerial dominance in their half forward line and were preventing Ballygunner from getting the runs going except for the odd time and the last shot from 20 plus metres was well placed and awkward enough for the keeper as it bounced just in front of him but he'll be disappointed..
Backed Ballygunner and Kilcoo for the double. The omens are looking good.
Surprised he was allowed to get as far before taking the shot, thought the keeper was a bit slow to react to it
Was a day that Ballygunner never played to the standards they had shown all through the championship but they held on to the tails of Ballyhale, every time Ballygunner got close Ballyhale tagged on a few scores to pull away, this was the only way they were going to win!
The scenes afterwards were what what this competition is all about, Ballyhale have won plenty they'll lick their wounds and have another day with another set of players to come through and compete again, Ballygunner win their first Munster and first all Ireland with the last puck of the ball, pure Roy of the Rovers stuff.
As for the keeper I wouldn't be to hard on him, there was only one place that ball was beating him and it hit that spot. On Keepers, that save from Colin was unreal, they still scored with the follow up but unreal
On the fennelly save it looked like the keeper had his homework done on how fennelly scored his goals. He stood up for as long as he could. I also thought the number 6 should have done a better job of clearing it.
Another factor for the ballyhale goal was visibility. I think one of his own players was blocking his view and that was why he was down so late too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 13, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
On the fennelly save it looked like the keeper had his homework done on how fennelly scored his goals. He stood up for as long as he could. I also thought the number 6 should have done a better job of clearing it.
Another factor for the ballyhale goal was visibility. I think one of his own players was blocking his view and that was why he was down so late too.
Ballyhale keeper looks to be an out and out cack hander by the way he attempted to go for the previous goal to his weaker side, the goal in the dying seconds was to his stronger side, but yes, maybe unsighted as it came through a few bodies..
Always good to see a new winners name on the trophy and especially to Waterford lads who've had plenty of heartache in AI finals over the years. They'll also be loving that it was a win over their neighbouring county friends in Kilkenny.
Donal Og is being allowed to promote a very pro-Cork agenda on RTE television.
He is making dog whistles to referees to treat Limerick harshly.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 14, 2022, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 13, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
On the fennelly save it looked like the keeper had his homework done on how fennelly scored his goals. He stood up for as long as he could. I also thought the number 6 should have done a better job of clearing it.
Another factor for the ballyhale goal was visibility. I think one of his own players was blocking his view and that was why he was down so late too.
Ballyhale keeper looks to be an out and out cack hander by the way he attempted to go for the previous goal to his weaker side, the goal in the dying seconds was to his stronger side, but yes, maybe unsighted as it came through a few bodies..
Always good to see a new winners name on the trophy and especially to Waterford lads who've had plenty of heartache in AI finals over the years. They'll also be loving that it was a win over their neighbouring county friends in Kilkenny.
I thought Ballyhale keeper was good
Quote from: Dag Dog on February 14, 2022, 01:29:17 PM
Donal Og is being allowed to promote a very pro-Cork agenda on RTE television.
He is making dog whistles to referees to treat Limerick harshly.
Never thought I'd say this but Donal Og was on the money, Limerick are a cracking team team but Hegarty and some other players are not averse to the dark arts. Great display by Galway but Limerick have just cranked up the engine for the first time since last year and still favourite for the big cigar.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 14, 2022, 02:26:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 14, 2022, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 13, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
On the fennelly save it looked like the keeper had his homework done on how fennelly scored his goals. He stood up for as long as he could. I also thought the number 6 should have done a better job of clearing it.
Another factor for the ballyhale goal was visibility. I think one of his own players was blocking his view and that was why he was down so late too.
Ballyhale keeper looks to be an out and out cack hander by the way he attempted to go for the previous goal to his weaker side, the goal in the dying seconds was to his stronger side, but yes, maybe unsighted as it came through a few bodies..
Always good to see a new winners name on the trophy and especially to Waterford lads who've had plenty of heartache in AI finals over the years. They'll also be loving that it was a win over their neighbouring county friends in Kilkenny.
I thought Ballyhale keeper was good
He is.
The boy who scored the goal for ballygunner said in his interview he couldn't even see if it went in so hard to know how the goalie could have seen it until late bearing that in mind. The first goal of ballygunner's caught the goalie on the wrong foot.
Football and hurling alike the boy running through at the end should have been brought down.
Two wins in a row for the prody black bastards from Ards ;)
Two good wins for down. Them and Antrim be an interesting game now
(Hegarty always at that. Deserves it at last)
Great win for Galway. Shef seems to be making a difference.
Loads of decent hurlers in the county.
Limerick got away with behaviour in the past but Hegarty didn't on Sunday.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2022, 06:41:05 PM
Two wins in a row for the prody black bastards from Ards ;)
That's the good Pradistant work ethic for you :D
Good start to the campaign where survival was the main objective against teams that would have previously beaten them comfortably in the recent past.
Kildare at home is winnable in the next game and with Carlow taking points off Westmeath and Westmeath taking points off Kerry, then heck we may end up in a promotion play off.
Need to get this all finished before the Marching season starts or we'll not get the lads to training due to band practices and the likes on the same nights.
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2022, 09:55:30 PM
Great win for Galway. Shef seems to be making a difference.
Loads of decent hurlers in the county.
Limerick got away with behaviour in the past but Hegarty didn't on Sunday.
Eddie Brennan has Donal Óg down to a tee when summing up his thoughts on Hegartys sending off on Sunday.
No complaints when the rock was throwing Tipp lads against the posts or the likes back in the day...
Limerick are indeed edgy enough in the tackle but so were Kilkenny in their pomp, lets not forget that. If you want to beat Limerick in the summer time you need to be prepared to face it head on and give as good as you get and if you don't you'll get eaten alive like Cork in the AI final.
Yes, maybe with Guillane getting away with a straight red vrs Tipp that referees are looking out for it and no harm in that, but Hegarty responded to getting a thump from a Galway man after he had been fouled (edit, the ball was deemed over the line but the game was stopped when the Galway man barged into him) and if we're to learn anything from the 5 reds dished out in the Tyrone, Armagh game for lads contributing to a melee then lets be consistent.
That same rule exists in both codes.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2022, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2022, 09:55:30 PM
Great win for Galway. Shef seems to be making a difference.
Loads of decent hurlers in the county.
Limerick got away with behaviour in the past but Hegarty didn't on Sunday.
Eddie Brennan has Donal Óg down to a tee when summing up his thoughts on Hegartys sending off on Sunday.
No complaints when the rock was throwing Tipp lads against the posts or the likes back in the day...
Limerick are indeed edgy enough in the tackle but so were Kilkenny in their pomp, lets not forget that. If you want to beat Limerick in the summer time you need to be prepared to face it head on and give as good as you get and if you don't you'll get eaten alive like Cork in the AI final.
Yes, maybe with Guillane getting away with a straight red vrs Tipp that referees are looking out for it and no harm in that, but Hegarty responded to getting a thump from a Galway man after he had been fouled (edit, the ball was deemed over the line but the game was stopped when the Galway man barged into him) and if we're to learn anything from the 5 reds dished out in the Tyrone, Armagh game for lads contributing to a melee then lets be consistent.
That same rule exists in both codes.
A lot of the Munster championship will be played in April. Only 3 matches in July. Will take some getting used to.
Limerick have been lucky enough with injuries up to now but they had a good few out on Sunday..
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2022, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2022, 09:55:30 PM
Great win for Galway. Shef seems to be making a difference.
Loads of decent hurlers in the county.
Limerick got away with behaviour in the past but Hegarty didn't on Sunday.
Eddie Brennan has Donal Óg down to a tee when summing up his thoughts on Hegartys sending off on Sunday.
No complaints when the rock was throwing Tipp lads against the posts or the likes back in the day...
Limerick are indeed edgy enough in the tackle but so were Kilkenny in their pomp, lets not forget that. If you want to beat Limerick in the summer time you need to be prepared to face it head on and give as good as you get and if you don't you'll get eaten alive like Cork in the AI final.
Yes, maybe with Guillane getting away with a straight red vrs Tipp that referees are looking out for it and no harm in that, but Hegarty responded to getting a thump from a Galway man after he had been fouled (edit, the ball was deemed over the line but the game was stopped when the Galway man barged into him) and if we're to learn anything from the 5 reds dished out in the Tyrone, Armagh game for lads contributing to a melee then lets be consistent.
That same rule exists in both codes.
Eddie Brennan is in no position to lecture anyone,given what he did right before throw in,in the 2007 all ireland final
As cowardly an act as you'd see on any pitch anywhere
Quote from: clonadmad on February 15, 2022, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2022, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2022, 09:55:30 PM
Great win for Galway. Shef seems to be making a difference.
Loads of decent hurlers in the county.
Limerick got away with behaviour in the past but Hegarty didn't on Sunday.
Eddie Brennan has Donal Óg down to a tee when summing up his thoughts on Hegartys sending off on Sunday.
No complaints when the rock was throwing Tipp lads against the posts or the likes back in the day...
Limerick are indeed edgy enough in the tackle but so were Kilkenny in their pomp, lets not forget that. If you want to beat Limerick in the summer time you need to be prepared to face it head on and give as good as you get and if you don't you'll get eaten alive like Cork in the AI final.
Yes, maybe with Guillane getting away with a straight red vrs Tipp that referees are looking out for it and no harm in that, but Hegarty responded to getting a thump from a Galway man after he had been fouled (edit, the ball was deemed over the line but the game was stopped when the Galway man barged into him) and if we're to learn anything from the 5 reds dished out in the Tyrone, Armagh game for lads contributing to a melee then lets be consistent.
That same rule exists in both codes.
Eddie Brennan is in no position to lecture anyone,given what he did right before throw in,in the 2007 all ireland final
As cowardly an act as you'd see on any pitch anywhere
Eddie never professes to be whiter than white though.
What he did was wrong but showed quite quickly that Limerick were undercooked going into that game. Seamus Hickey was a green horn at this level so was a easy touch for Eddie, but first chance some of the more seasoned Limerick defenders should have let Eddie know they were there as a team. None did, Limerick got wiped off the park.
Donal Óg blathers on as if purer than the driven snow. Sean Og, Gardiner, Curran, the rock, Niall McCarthy and co weren't a bit shy with the ash either when it came to it.
I remember the Rock gave McFaul a lesson at Casement one day, Brian gave him a bit of a swipe, nothing major, next ball that was cleared Brian was floored, not even a word was mentioned
Big win for Dublin tonight
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2022, 07:42:44 PM
Big win for Dublin tonight
Limerick and Cork got a bit feisty, no love lost here. Two red cards were merited even if Flanagans was a tad softer, he'd no need to leave the arm in like that, can have no complaints.
Cork put everything over the bar, were motoring well whereas Limerick were spluttering, missing passes, taking the wrong options with poor shooting, especially in the first half.
Kiely will be able to stir the troops from their slumber for real now and they've a bit of work to do before the Munster Championship kicks off and get themselves right again.
Wexford rolling on nicely themselves and finding that they have forwards who can play if given the support they've been lacking under the Davy era.
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
Loads of club games for you to feast on Seafoid.
The condensed Intercounty season is a blessing for the rank and file GAA member, probably the players too, journalists lest so.
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
No time for shadow boxing this year with the championship starting 2/3 weeks after the league final
There will be loads of hurling games starting end of July to accommodate 95% of hurlers in the county
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
Loads of club games for you to feast on Seafoid.
The condensed Intercounty season is a blessing for the rank and file GAA member, probably the players too, journalists lest so.
You don't look forward to the club games like county matches though. One of the great attractions of the long summer stretching out in front of you was the pleasure of marking out the weekends your county would (hopefully) be playing in. A bonus if it was bookended with an AI appearance in September. Only a small number of diehards go the the club matches, at least in the opening c'ship rounds. The system was changed for no real reason other than for it's sake and pandering to the clubs.
Quote from: mouview on February 28, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
Loads of club games for you to feast on Seafoid.
The condensed Intercounty season is a blessing for the rank and file GAA member, probably the players too, journalists lest so.
You don't look forward to the club games like county matches though. One of the great attractions of the long summer stretching out in front of you was the pleasure of marking out the weekends your county would (hopefully) be playing in. A bonus if it was bookended with an AI appearance in September. Only a small number of diehards go the the club matches, at least in the opening c'ship rounds. The system was changed for no real reason other than for it's sake and pandering to the clubs.
Get more involved in the club game then!
it has always been a huge drain on the players and county boards having three or so weeks between knockout games, all the while the players are out every night or near enough training like monks.
The training/match ratio is much better now for an amateur player to hit a proper life/play balance.
The club players are getting games on dry sods for once.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
Loads of club games for you to feast on Seafoid.
The condensed Intercounty season is a blessing for the rank and file GAA member, probably the players too, journalists lest so.
With all due respect to Killimordaly vs Ardrahan it is never going to be an interesting as Galway vs Tipp.
We won our first modern era senior club title in 87 but it would have been very much in the shade of the Liam Mccarthy cup and beating KK in the final.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: mouview on February 28, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
Loads of club games for you to feast on Seafoid.
The condensed Intercounty season is a blessing for the rank and file GAA member, probably the players too, journalists lest so.
You don't look forward to the club games like county matches though. One of the great attractions of the long summer stretching out in front of you was the pleasure of marking out the weekends your county would (hopefully) be playing in. A bonus if it was bookended with an AI appearance in September. Only a small number of diehards go the the club matches, at least in the opening c'ship rounds. The system was changed for no real reason other than for it's sake and pandering to the clubs.
Get more involved in the club game then!
it has always been a huge drain on the players and county boards having three or so weeks between knockout games, all the while the players are out every night or near enough training like monks.
The training/match ratio is much better now for an amateur player to hit a proper life/play balance.
The club players are getting games on dry sods for once.
I'm as stalwart a club member as there is. Club players have always played c'ship games on dry sods. The new system actually mitigates against it more as the c'ship stretches longer into the autumn and heavier pitches. Galway hurling final was in first week of December last. Playing the opening rounds of the AI senior championships on April pitches will still won't be fully dried out will make a mockery of the competition.
The round robins in Munster and Leinster have given up more top notch hurling games than we've ever had in the history of the GAA, condensing those down to 6 weeks isn't so bad, so you get to see Galway play at least 4 games, heck, you even get home games now ;)
And now with Leinster finals, playoffs, quarterfinals, then finals we've more top level games than ever.
Back in the day you could have won a Munster title after two games and an AI after 3 FFS depending on the draw.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
The round robins in Munster and Leinster have given up more top notch hurling games than we've ever had in the history of the GAA, condensing those down to 6 weeks isn't so bad, so you get to see Galway play at least 4 games, heck, you even get home games now ;)
And now with Leinster finals, playoffs, quarterfinals, then finals we've more top level games than ever.
Back in the day you could have won a Munster title after two games and an AI after 3 FFS depending on the draw.
Timing is everything.
I think the GAA is making a mistake leaving August and September to the competition
Hurling people on beaches in August will be talking about what ?
Quote from: mouview on February 28, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
It's all shadowboxing. Crazy to think there will be just 3 matches left at the start of July
Loads of club games for you to feast on Seafoid.
The condensed Intercounty season is a blessing for the rank and file GAA member, probably the players too, journalists lest so.
You don't look forward to the club games like county matches though. One of the great attractions of the long summer stretching out in front of you was the pleasure of marking out the weekends your county would (hopefully) be playing in. A bonus if it was bookended with an AI appearance in September. Only a small number of diehards go the the club matches, at least in the opening c'ship rounds. The system was changed for no real reason other than for it's sake and pandering to the clubs.
Can't be pandering to the clubs who provide the county players in the first place and want a set calendar in good weather for 95% of the players
Some bandwagoners on here
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2022, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
The round robins in Munster and Leinster have given up more top notch hurling games than we've ever had in the history of the GAA, condensing those down to 6 weeks isn't so bad, so you get to see Galway play at least 4 games, heck, you even get home games now ;)
And now with Leinster finals, playoffs, quarterfinals, then finals we've more top level games than ever.
Back in the day you could have won a Munster title after two games and an AI after 3 FFS depending on the draw.
Timing is everything.
I think the GAA is making a mistake leaving August and September to the competition
Hurling people on beaches in August will be talking about what ?
That's it exactly. They had a really great 'product' going for 2018 and 2019, with some great round-robin games being played at the best times of the year; supporters were really buying into it. Now, by bending over backwards to try to suit clubs, they've shunted a lot of the championship to a duller, colder time of the year which won't bring out the less-than-diehard fans. At least some of the clubs' problems are self-inflicted; they don't want to play rounds because Johnny isn't home yet from America or Paddy is injured and won't be available this weekend, thus they're constantly looking for postponements and prolonging the competitions. There was no problem with the club championships that the new scheduling will alleviate.
Have county players now given up on even pretending to hand pass the ball now?
A directive needs to be made, and a clear space between ball and hand for the pass, the problem is a ref needs to clearly see it as a throw before blowing the whistle. The game at county level certainly is faster and it's harder to get it right.
So what fixes it? Ban it?
No idea but watching cork v limerick at times it just looks a bit ridiculous.
Also where the Antrim highlights >:(
Surprised how far Dublin look off the pace there. I know it's only the league but on that showing they won't have much of a chance against Kilkenny come championship.
Hon Laois 🔵⚪️🔵
Enjoyed that. Exciting end to it but great to get over the line especially with only having 14 men for most of the game.
Just seen the worst yellow card in my life in the Clare, Limerick game, resulting in a sending off as previous booked. Now the earlier Limerick sending off was nearer a straight red, not a yellow as the Limerick man had swung on the clare defender twice.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
A directive needs to be made, and a clear space between ball and hand for the pass, the problem is a ref needs to clearly see it as a throw before blowing the whistle. The game at county level certainly is faster and it's harder to get it right.
So what fixes it? Ban it?
Im with Conor O Donovan on this and also think that the current crackdown is a waste of time. Come championship the throws will be rampant again and we have to wait for the league again next year for the refs to attempt another correction. The simple solution or at least a trial is as per Conors proposal, handpass only off off the hurl or the switched hands but no same pass from the hand that holds the ball.
Quote from: didlyi on March 06, 2022, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
A directive needs to be made, and a clear space between ball and hand for the pass, the problem is a ref needs to clearly see it as a throw before blowing the whistle. The game at county level certainly is faster and it's harder to get it right.
So what fixes it? Ban it?
Im with Conor O Donovan on this and also think that the current crackdown is a waste of time. Come championship the throws will be rampant again and we have to wait for the league again next year for the refs to attempt another correction. The simple solution or at least a trial is as per Conors proposal, handpass only off off the hurl or the switched hands but no same pass from the hand that holds the ball.
Yeah think it's probably a path we could go down
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2022, 10:35:28 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 06, 2022, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
A directive needs to be made, and a clear space between ball and hand for the pass, the problem is a ref needs to clearly see it as a throw before blowing the whistle. The game at county level certainly is faster and it's harder to get it right.
So what fixes it? Ban it?
Im with Conor O Donovan on this and also think that the current crackdown is a waste of time. Come championship the throws will be rampant again and we have to wait for the league again next year for the refs to attempt another correction. The simple solution or at least a trial is as per Conors proposal, handpass only off off the hurl or the switched hands but no same pass from the hand that holds the ball.
Yeah think it's probably a path we could go down
It would certainly make handpassing very obvious but the way the game has changed that would fundamentally change how teams actually play the game. Big call for the GAA but something needs to be done to stop the throwing.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 08, 2022, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2022, 10:35:28 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 06, 2022, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
A directive needs to be made, and a clear space between ball and hand for the pass, the problem is a ref needs to clearly see it as a throw before blowing the whistle. The game at county level certainly is faster and it's harder to get it right.
So what fixes it? Ban it?
Im with Conor O Donovan on this and also think that the current crackdown is a waste of time. Come championship the throws will be rampant again and we have to wait for the league again next year for the refs to attempt another correction. The simple solution or at least a trial is as per Conors proposal, handpass only off off the hurl or the switched hands but no same pass from the hand that holds the ball.
Yeah think it's probably a path we could go down
It would certainly make handpassing very obvious but the way the game has changed that would fundamentally change how teams actually play the game. Big call for the GAA but something needs to be done to stop the throwing.
There was some calls, that when the camera slowed it down the ref got it wrong in some of the games I watched, it was a legit hand-pass, there was some blatant throws, but less than I'd imagine, was caught out on this myself and when I looked back at a recording I was convinced it was a throw only to see it was a good pass and I blew him up incorrectly
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2022, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 08, 2022, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2022, 10:35:28 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 06, 2022, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
A directive needs to be made, and a clear space between ball and hand for the pass, the problem is a ref needs to clearly see it as a throw before blowing the whistle. The game at county level certainly is faster and it's harder to get it right.
So what fixes it? Ban it?
Im with Conor O Donovan on this and also think that the current crackdown is a waste of time. Come championship the throws will be rampant again and we have to wait for the league again next year for the refs to attempt another correction. The simple solution or at least a trial is as per Conors proposal, handpass only off off the hurl or the switched hands but no same pass from the hand that holds the ball.
Yeah think it's probably a path we could go down
It would certainly make handpassing very obvious but the way the game has changed that would fundamentally change how teams actually play the game. Big call for the GAA but something needs to be done to stop the throwing.
There was some calls, that when the camera slowed it down the ref got it wrong in some of the games I watched, it was a legit hand-pass, there was some blatant throws, but less than I'd imagine, was caught out on this myself and when I looked back at a recording I was convinced it was a throw only to see it was a good pass and I blew him up incorrectly
It's not easy for referees to make these calls as even when you've direct sight of the handpass it's quick as hell, let alone someone in a bunch of players blocking your view.
Maybe why O'Donovans plan makes sense to have a look at.
JC if you didn't see it Down were on TG4 last night. It is probably repeated later on in the week if you missed it.
I did laugh watching a bit of the camogie club final - they were throwing it as well lol. Not specific to hurling.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 08, 2022, 03:56:43 PM
JC if you didn't see it Down were on TG4 last night. It is probably repeated later on in the week if you missed it.
I did laugh watching a bit of the camogie club final - they were throwing it as well lol. Not specific to hurling.
No, I didn't see it, will have a search on the tinternet...
Believe the manager is getting a bit of stick for starting his nephew all the time.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 08, 2022, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2022, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 08, 2022, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2022, 10:35:28 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 06, 2022, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
A directive needs to be made, and a clear space between ball and hand for the pass, the problem is a ref needs to clearly see it as a throw before blowing the whistle. The game at county level certainly is faster and it's harder to get it right.
So what fixes it? Ban it?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0309/1285340-odonovan-fears-media-debate-on-handpass-will-disappear/
Im with Conor O Donovan on this and also think that the current crackdown is a waste of time. Come championship the throws will be rampant again and we have to wait for the league again next year for the refs to attempt another correction. The simple solution or at least a trial is as per Conors proposal, handpass only off off the hurl or the switched hands but no same pass from the hand that holds the ball.
Yeah think it's probably a path we could go down
It would certainly make handpassing very obvious but the way the game has changed that would fundamentally change how teams actually play the game. Big call for the GAA but something needs to be done to stop the throwing.
There was some calls, that when the camera slowed it down the ref got it wrong in some of the games I watched, it was a legit hand-pass, there was some blatant throws, but less than I'd imagine, was caught out on this myself and when I looked back at a recording I was convinced it was a throw only to see it was a good pass and I blew him up incorrectly
It's not easy for referees to make these calls as even when you've direct sight of the handpass it's quick as hell, let alone someone in a bunch of players blocking your view.
Maybe why O'Donovans plan makes sense to have a look at.
Are they goosed ?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0310/1285701-shefflin-tragedy-showed-the-gaa-is-a-family/
It's fine for all of us to have a great debate on the throwing of the ball, asking are Limerick goosed, league structures etc.
Watched a bit of the Kilkenny v Waterford game yesterday and there's a few green shoots emanating from Kilkenny..
They've some deadly accurate forwards who rifled over some good scores yesterday, Eoin Cody came on and cemented my opinion that's he's a serious operator and will have a big impact for kilkenny this year and years to come.
Lawlor is a fine defender and will probably man the 3 berth again, but I suppose they've still to find a commanding, modern No 6, Richie Reid is a good hurler and was stationed there yesterday, will be interesting to see if he holds that berth with Paudie Walsh now in the forwards.
They look to be trying to work the ball out yesterday, but near the end when under a bit of pressure did lump it forward on top of Wallie Walsh, whilst a big man doesn't hold onto many clean catches when the balls lobbed in, albeit the ball more often than not breaks off him, I'm sure if they're struggling come championship and revert to that, teams will work them out.
As for Waterford, a bit poor in the shooting front, left a lot of space in defence but you could watch Tadgh DeBurca all day long, touch, balance, pace, decision making, the defensive version of Tony Kelly in that regard, great to see him back after two cruciate operations.
A few key players rested after a weeks heavy training and were still in the game till the end even if they were second best throughout, Cahill had the semi-final berth sown up already prior to throw in, so maybe keeping the powder dry for a while yet..
Wexfords big forwards caused a weakened Cork issues, Rory O'Connor with a big tally from play, he's a handful against anyone but Cork need to work out how to deal with lads like him if they want to start claiming AI's again.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 12:42:52 PM
Watched a bit of the Kilkenny v Waterford game yesterday and there's a few green shoots emanating from Kilkenny..
They've some deadly accurate forwards who rifled over some good scores yesterday, Eoin Cody came on and cemented my opinion that's he's a serious operator and will have a big impact for kilkenny this year and years to come.
Lawlor is a fine defender and will probably man the 3 berth again, but I suppose they've still to find a commanding, modern No 6, Richie Reid is a good hurler and was stationed there yesterday, will be interesting to see if he holds that berth with Paudie Walsh now in the forwards.
They look to be trying to work the ball out yesterday, but near the end when under a bit of pressure did lump it forward on top of Wallie Walsh, whilst a big man doesn't hold onto many clean catches when the balls lobbed in, albeit the ball more often than not breaks off him, I'm sure if they're struggling come championship and revert to that, teams will work them out.
As for Waterford, a bit poor in the shooting front, left a lot of space in defence but you could watch Tadgh DeBurca all day long, touch, balance, pace, decision making, the defensive version of Tony Kelly in that regard, great to see him back after two cruciate operations.
A few key players rested after a weeks heavy training and were still in the game till the end even if they were second best throughout, Cahill had the semi-final berth sown up already prior to throw in, so maybe keeping the powder dry for a while yet..
Wexfords big forwards caused a weakened Cork issues, Rory O'Connor with a big tally from play, he's a handful against anyone but Cork need to work out how to deal with lads like him if they want to start claiming AI's again.
A lot of 'weakened' teams out of the week-end.
Kilkenny seem to be uncertain on puck-outs. Not sure if Murphy is as good as Quaid etc. in pucking out into green space. Maybe forwards' movement isn't helping. But they need to nail that going forward.
Cody got an unreal point, down by the sideline, as his touch, pick and strike was fantastic. Padraig Walsh will be in the forwards now as he'll chip in with a few scores from play. Lawlor is developing into a good full back as there is about. ..as long as there's a few bodies in front of him.
Waterford will be happy enough, got a few Ballygunner lads back in and rested a few others. Be interesting but you could probably say that KK will be the only team going out to win the league for sure. That's their mentality. The other 3 maybe are looking more to the first round of the respective championships. Kilkenny have their 2 'easier' teams first so maybe they can time it better.
I have to say the league is a great competition. Really good competition.
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
Be interesting Leinster this year. Wexford Kilkenny and Galway, Dublin are nearly all at the same standard, though very different players...
You'd assume that Limerick will eventually find their feet and kick on in Munster and after a promising start by Waterford it would be likely they would challenge but Clare with the main man can pull out a shock and Cork, who knows, capable of anything, as for Tipp I hope they don't think they are back after that result against a very poor Antrim team on the day, but will do their attacking players no harm.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
Is that not the same thing JC - whether it's one or two?
At least if Offaly or Antrim lose, one of them will get another year in the top flight. If they do that, for a year or two, they're gaining vital experience.
If two go down, two up, more than likely the same two will go straight down again.
As I said, I think the Joe McD and Christy Ring should be merged and the other 2 competitions should be merged. Not a massive gap between them and I think there'd be far more chance of development.
Quote from: marty34 on March 22, 2022, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
Is that not the same thing JC - whether it's one or two?
At least if Offaly or Antrim lose, one of them will get another year in the top flight. If they do that, for a year or two, they're gaining vital experience.
If two go down, two up, more than likely the same two will go straight down again.
As I said, I think the Joe McD and Christy Ring should be merged and the other 2 competitions should be merged. Not a massive gap between them and I think there'd be far more chance of development.
And do you think that Laois, Offaly/Antrim and whoever comes up won't be bottom of their respective groups next year?
Are Westmeath, Down, Kerry and an emerging Kildare not entitled to experience this level?
Two up, two down in every football division for some reason! A bit of a closed shop if you ask me.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 09:31:12 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 22, 2022, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
Is that not the same thing JC - whether it's one or two?
At least if Offaly or Antrim lose, one of them will get another year in the top flight. If they do that, for a year or two, they're gaining vital experience.
If two go down, two up, more than likely the same two will go straight down again.
As I said, I think the Joe McD and Christy Ring should be merged and the other 2 competitions should be merged. Not a massive gap between them and I think there'd be far more chance of development.
And do you think that Laois, Offaly/Antrim and whoever comes up won't be bottom of their respective groups next year?
Are Westmeath, Down, Kerry and an emerging Kildare not entitled to experience this level?
Two up, two down in every football division for some reason! A bit of a closed shop if you ask me.
My take on that is they deserve to come up, after winning that group. It's a battle to get through that group and deserve to come up. These teams will get there chance, if they're good enough. An extra year here will do them no harm whatsoever.
The problem is there's too big of a gap between them and the rest of the Div.1's. That's clear to see.
Outwith Laois, under Eddie Brennan, beating Dublin a few years ago, that gap is still big.
Marty I think it would be a big mistake merging Joe McDonagh and christy ring tbh. I think there's a big enough difference between the two. The lower ones I don't know enough about but I'd be surprised if it were any different. The Joe McDonagh has been a great competition and when the ring was everyone then there were really about 2 -3 good games maximum if you were at the top.
JC teams going up always get a tougher ride than teams going down. Realistically we should probably be going down and you up but we have been the other side before so we will take it for now. I think the rationale is you need a few years at the top level to adjust or something like that - whether that be bullshit or not is another matter...
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
The focus for the next 20 years should be widening the 9 to 14- say Antrim, Down, Laois , Offaly, Westmeath
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Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
The focus for the next 20 years should be widening the 9 to 14- say Antrim, Down, Laois , Offaly, Westmeath
We can beat Down
They also need money.
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
They also need money.
We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:17:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
The focus for the next 20 years should be widening the 9 to 14- say Antrim, Down, Laois , Offaly, Westmeath
We can beat Down
Really?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 22, 2022, 10:06:48 AM
Marty I think it would be a big mistake merging Joe McDonagh and christy ring tbh. I think there's a big enough difference between the two. The lower ones I don't know enough about but I'd be surprised if it were any different. The Joe McDonagh has been a great competition and when the ring was everyone then there were really about 2 -3 good games maximum if you were at the top.
JC teams going up always get a tougher ride than teams going down. Realistically we should probably be going down and you up but we have been the other side before so we will take it for now. I think the rationale is you need a few years at the top level to adjust or something like that - whether that be bullshit or not is another matter...
Fair enough - is there a bigger gap between the top level and Joe Mc D or between Joe McD and Christy Ring?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 22, 2022, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:17:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
The focus for the next 20 years should be widening the 9 to 14- say Antrim, Down, Laois , Offaly, Westmeath
We can beat Down
Really?
In as n Ulster championship id fancy us or at least be tight game. My point is we are not miles off Down. They are doing fantastic btw, more power to them
Quote from: marty34 on March 22, 2022, 11:04:22 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 22, 2022, 10:06:48 AM
Marty I think it would be a big mistake merging Joe McDonagh and christy ring tbh. I think there's a big enough difference between the two. The lower ones I don't know enough about but I'd be surprised if it were any different. The Joe McDonagh has been a great competition and when the ring was everyone then there were really about 2 -3 good games maximum if you were at the top.
JC teams going up always get a tougher ride than teams going down. Realistically we should probably be going down and you up but we have been the other side before so we will take it for now. I think the rationale is you need a few years at the top level to adjust or something like that - whether that be bullshit or not is another matter...
Fair enough - is there a bigger gap between the top level and Joe Mc D or between Joe McD and Christy Ring?
I don't find it's the top that's the problem it's the middle and the bottom. Offaly were a bit of an anomaly in the ring tbh but look how much they won it by when they were in the final. If the likes of Laois / Antrim / Offaly played the bottom team in the ring cup it would be a big scoreline I would suspect.
I can see your point but they made the Joe McDonagh competitive from top to bottom. Maybe they need another one in between it and the liam mccarthy ;D The big hammerings do no one any good.
I think the hurling set up is good in terms of playing at their own level. Football are now only starting to do that at inter-county level.
Maybe we in the GAA are constantly looking to change/alter rules and things etc.?
Yeah I would agree. I think the hurling setup isn't too bad for what it is and if they change it it'd likely be for the worse.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 22, 2022, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:17:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
The focus for the next 20 years should be widening the 9 to 14- say Antrim, Down, Laois , Offaly, Westmeath
We can beat Down
Really?
In as n Ulster championship id fancy us or at least be tight game. My point is we are not miles off Down. They are doing fantastic btw, more power to them
He's not wrong Tommy, but it would depend on getting the SN lads to commit and that's not going to happen.
It's a bit like the debate in Down as to why the Kilcoo lads won't commit to the football, why would you when you can cruise over the summer and go full tilt at the club scene.
I'd also agree with your point on it taking a few years to acclimatise to the level of Div1 and that is where Antrim are rightly placed.
I just feel with this one up, one down it's deliberately a closed shop and I really don't see those who are supposed to have the best interests of hurling at heart in Croke Park giving one shíte about those outside the top 9.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0322/1287753-hurling-census-2022-population-hurlers-density/
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 01:13:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0322/1287753-hurling-census-2022-population-hurlers-density/
Not much there that we don't know.
Apart from that, the Team Ulster thing would be a backward step.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 01:13:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0322/1287753-hurling-census-2022-population-hurlers-density/
got to this part and realised the analysis is slightly flawed;
However, it is possible to use the most recently published GAA annual report to create a census of hurling from the breakdown of team registrations for the year from June 2021 to May 2022. For the purposes of this exercise, we are assuming that all 8,136 registered hurling teams (categorised as Adult, U20 or Youth teams in the report) had an average of 20 players (a starting 15 and five substitutes for argument's sake). The comparative strength of hurling populations that emerge are valid so long as this measure is applied for all teams at all levels across the country consistently.Can't speak for every club but for us that would be a pipedream and dare I suggest than only Bredagh would come close to having 20 separate players per juvenile team in Down and probably Belfast in general hurling wise. We'd be doing well to have a dozen per "team" and would almost always have to dig into the age group below to get 15 on the field.
NA wise I'd say maybe only Dunloy and Loughgeil would be looking at numbers like that at underage, maybe Ballycastle.
Douglas in Cork who wouldn't be considered a big club in that city would have A and B teams all at that age and some of the Dublin clubs would be A, B, C, and D as I once commented to a well known GAA coach based in Dublin that Ballyboden have a bigger pick of minor hurlers than the whole of Down and I wasn't joking either.
Funding isn't going to sort that issue out, but at least give us a fair crack of the whip.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 21, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 21, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
The KK number 13 looks like a handy player. Billy Ryan I think he's called?
Funny Marty I was reading a thread on twitter this morning (in reply to Colm Parkinson being dick as usual) saying how terrible the league is but I would agree with you and disagree with that. The rationale was one win and you stay in your division which happened to Limerick and Laois.
I do wonder should there be a true 1 and 2 in it rather than mish mash but I would echo that it's a great competition. They continually tweak the hurling to try and minimise the hammerings that happen (unfortunately for us that didn't work yesterday but worked the rest of the year).
There was certainly a load of dead rubbers yesterday so a lot of games were lacking intensity but with the championship just around the corner that's understandable but nonetheless it's something that the GAA decided to do when if you recall we'd really competitive leagues a few years back when Div1A was the higher league and Div1B was a lower league and there was relegation between the two and then it was decided to go with this format.
Those big batings are always likely but from an Antrim POV, would they prefer the old way where they're in a proper Div1B with Laois, Offaly and possibly Clare, Wex and Dublin (just guessing) and avoid the Limericks, Corks, Tipps of this world in proper Div1A??
In saying that Antrim have been competitive in most of their league games apart from yesterday, whereas Laois took heavier beatings but won the one game that mattered and was at home...
Pro's and Cons for both systems IMO.
And to another point, if you watch Eoin Murphy putting the ball over the bar from his own 45 and think that there is nothing wrong with the current ball then I'm not sure where we're going with the game.
The chip in the ball is just the GAA pulling back in a revenue stream they'd lost control off the last number of years.
There are about 10 strong counties. There are 2 models. A strong focus or something a bit more open which encourages the ones closest to the 10.
I think the latter is better. It's great to see Antrim, Laois etc playing the likes of Kilkenny.
As Dan Shanahan says here at 14:11, it's an honour to be playing against them fellas... and bating them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=1027s
That's one side of it, but they'd still have three games against the top 9, not 10, so they'd have two very winnable games against Laois and Offaly and then three of the others from the rest and in all fairness to Antrim gave more of the top 9 teams a run for it than Laois who were probably helped by the luck of the draw to have Antrim at home. If that game is in Corrigan the result goes the other way IMO.
Also a bone of contention is the fact that only one team goes down should be two with two coming up if the GAA were indeed interesting in promoting hurling in the middle tier as you rightly quoted Shanahan, but money talks and bullshít walks.
It seems to me that it is hard to sustain performance levels. Eg Laois lost Eddie Brennan and fell back. The only change in the top table over 20 years was the fall of Offaly.
Quote from: marty34 on March 22, 2022, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 01:13:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0322/1287753-hurling-census-2022-population-hurlers-density/
Not much there that we don't know.
Apart from that, the Team Ulster thing would be a backward step.
Meath
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 22, 2022, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 01:13:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0322/1287753-hurling-census-2022-population-hurlers-density/
Not much there that we don't know.
Apart from that, the Team Ulster thing would be a backward step.
Meath
Meath have always had plenty of hurlers but can't push on.
Population of that commuter belt area on the M50 i.e. Kildare and Meath etc., with growing populations will always have plenty playing.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
They also need money.
We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Have a word with big Kevin Kelly, but in general I'd ask the question what are a lot of the hurling GDO's doing and is their time well spent!!
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
They also need money.
We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Have a word with big Kevin Kelly, but in general I'd ask the question what are a lot of the hurling GDO's doing and is their time well spent!!
Too busy out taking club teams in the evening for a bit of coin
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Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
They also need money.
We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Have a word with big Kevin Kelly, but in general I'd ask the question what are a lot of the hurling GDO's doing and is their time well spent!!
Too busy out taking club teams in the evening for a bit of coin
Manus? I don't know but he and Big R have rejuvenated u17 and u20 county in Derry after years of neglect. Maybe you are referring to others, I see some working in schools in already established heartlands that dont need the help . Wee Dilly is top notch, where did they put him? Fecking Gulladuff his home turf with hardly any help needed there. Hinphey in helping St Pats Maghera-like ffs talk about shite strategy. These are all top men that really should be sent to city, Ballerin, coleraine or St Finbarrs
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We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Gaelfast has nothing to do with the Ulstet Council. It was negotiated by Antrim GAA and Croke Park.
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link=topic=30417.msg2110516#msg2110516 date=1647964662
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
They also need money.
We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Have a word with big Kevin Kelly, but in general I'd ask the question what are a lot of the hurling GDO's doing and is their time well spent!!
Too busy out taking club teams in the evening for a bit of coin
Manus? I don't know but he and Big R have rejuvenated u17 and u20 county in Derry after years of neglect. Maybe you are referring to others, I see some working in schools in already established heartlands that dont need the help . Wee Dilly is top notch, where did they put him? Fecking Gulladuff his home turf with hardly any help needed there. Hinphey in helping St Pats Maghera-like ffs talk about shite strategy. These are all top men that really should be sent to city, Ballerin, coleraine or St Finbarrs
Gaelfast isn't much better. Sent a coach in to a school for a series of football coaching sessions.
The school is a feeder school for a hurling only club.
When it was highlighted, the coach stated he was only following instructions from his manager.
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They also need money.
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We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Gaelfast has nothing to do with the Ulstet Council. It was negotiated by Antrim GAA and Croke Park and was intended to promote GAA in the city of Belfast
It was also negotiated by Down GAA my good man and you'll also find that a lot of the GDO's for Gaelfast are also Ulster Council GDO's so there's a blurring of the lines somewhere..
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
They also need money.
We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Have a word with big Kevin Kelly, but in general I'd ask the question what are a lot of the hurling GDO's doing and is their time well spent!!
Too busy out taking club teams in the evening for a bit of coin
I'm not talking about Derry, Antrim in this case
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
They also need money.
We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Have a word with big Kevin Kelly, but in general I'd ask the question what are a lot of the hurling GDO's doing and is their time well spent!!
In order to develop the game properly in x counties surely it would have to be managed centrally with each county applying best practice.
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Quote from: seafoid link=topic=30417.msg2110422#msg2110422 date=1647944394
They also need money.
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We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Gaelfast has nothing to do with the Ulstet Council. It was negotiated by Antrim GAA and Croke Park and was intended to promote GAA in the city of Belfast
It was also negotiated by Down GAA my good man and you'll also find that a lot of the GDO's for Gaelfast are also Ulster Council GDO's so there's a blurring of the lines somewhere..
True enough Johnny. There was some dissent within Antrim as why Belfast was getting preferential treatment so it was rolled out across the county.
It seems to have turned into a bit of a farce.
There have been 3 managers of the project since its inception and it does seem the Gaelfast coaches etc are indeed Ulster Council coaches.
Paul Donnelly ex St Paul's / Rossa was the first manager and I attended one of his presentations. He's a brilliant communicator and I left thinking, if this project does everything that has been promised then it will be a success.
Unfortunately PD left after a period of time and I think that's when the wheels began to fall off the wagon
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid link=topic=30417.msg2110422#msg2110422 date=1647944394
They also need money.
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We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Gaelfast has nothing to do with the Ulstet Council. It was negotiated by Antrim GAA and Croke Park and was intended to promote GAA in the city of Belfast
It was also negotiated by Down GAA my good man and you'll also find that a lot of the GDO's for Gaelfast are also Ulster Council GDO's so there's a blurring of the lines somewhere..
True enough Johnny. There was some dissent within Antrim as why Belfast was getting preferential treatment so it was rolled out across the county.
It seems to have turned into a bit of a farce.
There have been 3 managers of the project since its inception and it does seem the Gaelfast coaches etc are indeed Ulster Council coaches.
Paul Donnelly ex St Paul's / Rossa was the first manager and I attended one of his presentations. He's a brilliant communicator and I left thinking, if this project does everything that has been promised then it will be a success.
Unfortunately PD left after a period of time and I think that's when the wheels began to fall off the wagon
What was/is the full remit of Gaelfast?
How many coaches? Where? Timeframe etc.?
Has it changed since the beginning?
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Quote from: johnnycool on March 23, 2022, 08:13:50 AM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid link=topic=30417.msg2110422#msg2110422 date=1647944394
They also need money.
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We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Gaelfast has nothing to do with the Ulstet Council. It was negotiated by Antrim GAA and Croke Park and was intended to promote GAA in the city of Belfast
It was also negotiated by Down GAA my good man and you'll also find that a lot of the GDO's for Gaelfast are also Ulster Council GDO's so there's a blurring of the lines somewhere..
True enough Johnny. There was some dissent within Antrim as why Belfast was getting preferential treatment so it was rolled out across the county.
It seems to have turned into a bit of a farce.
There have been 3 managers of the project since its inception and it does seem the Gaelfast coaches etc are indeed Ulster Council coaches.
Paul Donnelly ex St Paul's / Rossa was the first manager and I attended one of his presentations. He's a brilliant communicator and I left thinking, if this project does everything that has been promised then it will be a success.
Unfortunately PD left after a period of time and I think that's when the wheels began to fall off the wagon
Who replaced PD?
One of the things that will need to be addressed for any transforming county is psychology. This great Waterford team beat Cork in the 2004 Munster Final but could never
beat them in the All Ireland series. They never won the all Ireland either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo
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Quote from: Antrim Coaster on March 23, 2022, 10:13:12 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 23, 2022, 08:13:50 AM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on March 22, 2022, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid link=topic=30417.msg2110422#msg2110422 date=1647944394
They also need money.
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We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Gaelfast has nothing to do with the Ulstet Council. It was negotiated by Antrim GAA and Croke Park and was intended to promote GAA in the city of Belfast
It was also negotiated by Down GAA my good man and you'll also find that a lot of the GDO's for Gaelfast are also Ulster Council GDO's so there's a blurring of the lines somewhere..
True enough Johnny. There was some dissent within Antrim as why Belfast was getting preferential treatment so it was rolled out across the county.
It seems to have turned into a bit of a farce.
There have been 3 managers of the project since its inception and it does seem the Gaelfast coaches etc are indeed Ulster Council coaches.
Paul Donnelly ex St Paul's / Rossa was the first manager and I attended one of his presentations. He's a brilliant communicator and I left thinking, if this project does everything that has been promised then it will be a success.
Unfortunately PD left after a period of time and I think that's when the wheels began to fall off the wagon
Who replaced PD?
Anton McCaffrey - St Galls, who has since left and Alfie Hannaway, Naomh Gall is now managing the project.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid link=topic=30417.msg2110422#msg2110422 date=1647944394
They also need money.
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We have a city with 100k and the potential for massive growth with one hurling club but the Ulster Council decided that it was better to invest in Gaelfast in a city with 14 hurling clubs already. Go figure that. Our county board (Derry) would rather see hurling dead and buried. Not one coaching officer sent into the city to coach hurling from Ulster Council
Gaelfast has nothing to do with the Ulstet Council. It was negotiated by Antrim GAA and Croke Park and was intended to promote GAA in the city of Belfast
It was also negotiated by Down GAA my good man and you'll also find that a lot of the GDO's for Gaelfast are also Ulster Council GDO's so there's a blurring of the lines somewhere..
True enough Johnny. There was some dissent within Antrim as why Belfast was getting preferential treatment so it was rolled out across the county.
It seems to have turned into a bit of a farce.
There have been 3 managers of the project since its inception and it does seem the Gaelfast coaches etc are indeed Ulster Council coaches.
Paul Donnelly ex St Paul's / Rossa was the first manager and I attended one of his presentations. He's a brilliant communicator and I left thinking, if this project does everything that has been promised then it will be a success.
Unfortunately PD left after a period of time and I think that's when the wheels began to fall off the wagon
Who replaced PD?
Anton McCaffrey - St Galls, who has since left and Alfie Hannaway, Naomh Gall is now managing the project.
A bit of a hot seat that one then!
Apparently not, there's a couple of posters on the Antrim thread that would have nailed that position had they been offered it ;D
The longest time previously between Cork all Irelands was 16 years. 1903 to 1919.
Their last All Ireland was 2005...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2022, 07:33:31 PM
Apparently not, there's a couple of posters on the Antrim thread that would have nailed that position had they been offered it ;D
You Milltown lads know how to get yer hands on the money anyway...
Hungry hoors (not that I'd say that to big Anto's face.. ;D )
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2022, 01:54:29 PM
The longest time previously between Cork all Irelands was 16 years. 1903 to 1919.
Their last All Ireland was 2005...
I think you might be adding another year onto that unless they find a way of dealing with the high ball on top of their defenders.
Rory O'Connor had a field day down there at the weekend.
KK will go on top of big Walters head and whilst I think he drops a lot of ball for a man his size they need to be able to cope with that.
Honestly think it will be years before Cork win an AI again. It will depend on how they transition underage talent but I don't think it's in their current crop tbh. Also what happens when Horgan goes as he has been carrying them for years.
At the moment, Cork are off the pace while both Tipp and KK are rebuilding. Long may it last
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 24, 2022, 04:47:23 PM
Honestly think it will be years before Cork win an AI again. It will depend on how they transition underage talent but I don't think it's in their current crop tbh. Also what happens when Horgan goes as he has been carrying them for years.
Horgan is a great hurler, no doubt but needs a particular type of ball to work with, low, diagonal ball for him to run onto. He gets that type of service and he'll do serious damage. If Coleman and the two Cork midfielders are getting knocked backwards, prevented from running through and putting the ball on a platter for him like in the AI final then you might as well have me on as Horgan.
Winning dirty or 50/50 ball isn't his thing and he's a bit old in the tooth to add that to his game. Lehane has a similar weakness to his game, only Harnedy can work dirty ball in the current forward pack for Cork. That's why I think they've an Achilles heel when it comes to the business end of the championship.
Deccy Dalton was shaping up to be that type of hurler but doesn't get much gametime as the speedsters are having a good enough run of it to date, but that will change in May and June..
Cork v Kilkenny was a hugely enjoyable game, helped by the large crowd and the ref letting lots go. Cork have serious pace in that team but Kilkenny have plenty of physicality and good hurlers, with TJ back they won't be far away from a third Leinster in a row. I suspect both sides could make and AI semi final although I am not sure either will get the better of Limerick or even Waterford.
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Cork v Kilkenny was a hugely enjoyable game, helped by the large crowd and the ref letting lots go. Cork have serious pace in that team but Kilkenny have plenty of physicality and good hurlers, with TJ back they won't be far away from a third Leinster in a row. I suspect both sides could make and AI semi final although I am not sure either will get the better of Limerick or even Waterford.
I'd day Cody had a queit word with Stack at half-time. I think KK only got one free in the whole first half while Horgan had free shots all night in the first 35 mins....even though the game was 50/50% possession.
Cork's pace pulled them through in the 2nd half - fast running off the shoulder. KK couldn't win a ball in the half forwards in the second half.
Enjoyable game though in very good conditions. For all the craic that nobody 'wants' to win the league, that clearly wasn't evident this evening.
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Quote from: keep her low this half on March 26, 2022, 08:53:00 PM
Cork v Kilkenny was a hugely enjoyable game, helped by the large crowd and the ref letting lots go. Cork have serious pace in that team but Kilkenny have plenty of physicality and good hurlers, with TJ back they won't be far away from a third Leinster in a row. I suspect both sides could make and AI semi final although I am not sure either will get the better of Limerick or even Waterford.
I'd day Cody had a queit word with Stack at half-time. I think KK only got one free in the whole first half while Horgan had free shots all night in the first 35 mins....even though the game was 50/50% possession.
Cork's pace pulled them through in the 2nd half - fast running off the shoulder. KK couldn't win a ball in the half forwards in the second half.
Enjoyable game though in very good conditions. For all the craic that nobody 'wants' to win the league, that clearly wasn't evident this evening.
Yip, Corks pace saw them through at the end when the Kilkenny legs tired and they reverted to type, raining down high ball on Walter who Cork managed to prevent from catching and then be quicker to the breaks. The Cats just aren't slick enough at working it through the lines, one particular instance at the end just after the Cork goal when the Cats needed a score the pass from the corner back with into the feet of the midfielder, who's touch forced the ball high, taken from him by two Cork lads who rattled over a point, that was a four point goal rather than the two Kilkenny needed to settle themselves again. Fine margins
Neither of these two teams have a national title in their locker for a few years now and that's a famine in their terms, Corks need is greater. Kilkenny's wait goes on as that shared one in 2021 doesn't count.
Hard to know what KK's/Cody's puck out strategy is. Murphy doesn't look accurate on the zippy puck outs to the half-backs or mid-fielders. He's confident with the 20 yard passes to the full-back line.
When things went against them, they just went to type and went route one down on top of the half-forwards. Cork picked up the breaking ball and pushed on.
Signs in first half of what KK are capable of but lost their way in 2nd half.
Cork full-back line could be there undoing - needed sorted asap. They played well up front without Horgan and Kingston on full cylinders. Joyce seems a real find for them.
Waterford playing well...
Should be a tough Munster championship this year..
Has Waterford been instructed to go for goals?
Effy enough red card, i thought he caught him in the groin but he went Down holding his stomach. Stupid wee tap bck to do when so far ahead. No.2 doesn't come out of it all great either.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 05:14:41 PM
Effy enough red card, i thought he caught him in the groin but he went Down holding his stomach. Stupid wee tap bck to do when so far ahead. No.2 doesn't come out of it all great either.
No was the softest of touches but plain stupid by Gleason to even do it when 50 points up, he has a tendency to do things like that.
While the defender looks silly for going down Gleason was a thousand times wrong for doing it.
League finals don't come around that often, that's one he'll miss, the manager was fuming
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2022, 04:33:00 PM
Waterford playing well...
Should be a tough Munster championship this year..
Waterford are a joy to watch with their movement and playing through the lines. The 5 team championship should suit them as they have a very deep panel. If this weekends matches are anything to go by we are in for a treat. I hope Limerick drop a game or two in the round robin to keep it interesting. There is always a danger that they just blow everyone away.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2022, 04:33:00 PM
Waterford playing well...
Should be a tough Munster championship this year..
Waterford are a joy to watch with their movement and playing through the lines. The 5 team championship should suit them as they have a very deep panel. If this weekends matches are anything to go by we are in for a treat. I hope Limerick drop a game or two in the round robin to keep it interesting. There is always a danger that they just blow everyone away.
Three teams genuinely feel they're in with a chance of lifting Liam this year.
Limerick
Waterford
Cork
Others that could be in the mix if they find a bit of form, Galway in particular are the proverbial curates egg...
Kilkenny
Tipp
Galway
Wexford
Still think Clare and the Dubs are a tad below that but could easily beat any of the four above on the day.
Interesting championship coming up in a few weeks.
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Quote from: keep her low this half on March 27, 2022, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2022, 04:33:00 PM
Waterford playing well...
Should be a tough Munster championship this year..
Waterford are a joy to watch with their movement and playing through the lines. The 5 team championship should suit them as they have a very deep panel. If this weekends matches are anything to go by we are in for a treat. I hope Limerick drop a game or two in the round robin to keep it interesting. There is always a danger that they just blow everyone away.
Three teams genuinely feel they're in with a chance of lifting Liam this year.
Limerick
Waterford
Cork
Others that could be in the mix if they find a bit of form, Galway in particular are the proverbial curates egg...
Kilkenny
Tipp
Galway
Wexford
Still think Clare and the Dubs are a tad below that but could easily beat any of the four above on the day.
Interesting championship coming up in a few weeks.
Waterford have psychological issues
Tipp and Galway are rebuilding.
Good video here re Tipp accuracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoZqopQTpfE
It all depends on what level Limerick are at.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0328/1289005-cusack-project-belfast-needs-ramping-up/
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0328/1289005-cusack-project-belfast-needs-ramping-up/
Project Antrim more like.
Surprised he didn't mention "team Ulster" the spoofer who knows nothing of hurling in Ulster.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2022, 10:31:17 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0328/1289005-cusack-project-belfast-needs-ramping-up/
Project Antrim more like.
Surprised he didn't mention "team Ulster" the spoofer who knows nothing of hurling in Ulster.
It shouldn't be run by county if all the counties have the same problem.
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
Wise up.
Also JC is from Down not antrim.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
Wtf?
Are you for real?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2022, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
Wise up.
Also JC is from Down not antrim.
I know,sound man too.
But I'm trying to find some ridiculous reason for tye ridiculous responses on social media every time he speaks.
"
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2022, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
Wise up.
Also JC is from Down not antrim.
I know,sound man too.
But I'm trying to find some ridiculous reason for tye ridiculous responses on social media every time he speaks.
"
I can't speak for Donal Og on social media as I don't follow him.
No one underestimates the issues facing Antrim and Ulster hurling but he does go for the odd headline without much thought.
Belfast is nothing like Dublin, the clubs are much smaller and more condensed in certain areas. Yes, get the GPO's in but don't be expecting the clubs to foot half the bill like the super clubs in Dublin can afford to.
So other than a wee soundbite what is he proposing?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
No, you can be gay and still be a condescending dick.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2022, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
Wise up.
Also JC is from Down not antrim.
I know,sound man too.
But I'm trying to find some ridiculous reason for tye ridiculous responses on social media every time he speaks.
"
I can't speak for Donal Og on social media as I don't follow him.
No one underestimates the issues facing Antrim and Ulster hurling but he does go for the odd headline without much thought.
Belfast is nothing like Dublin, the clubs are much smaller and more condensed in certain areas. Yes, get the GPO's in but don't be expecting the clubs to foot half the bill like the super clubs in Dublin can afford to.
So other than a wee soundbite what is he proposing?
We have to foot half the bill in Derry for GPO and we never get anywhere what Belfast gets in funding either
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2022, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 30, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
I dont really get the issue with Antrim folk and Donal óg, is it because he is gay? Must be because as far as I can see he the only boy who consistently at least makes any comment on Antrim and who offers any sort of honest critique rather than the oul pat on the back, and tbh he hasnt been wrong in anything he says.
He knows a lot more about hurling than any of us bozos on here
No, you can be gay and still be a condescending dick.
Lol, I guess so but I this condescending or stating facts . I'm mad for Antrim to do well but he is right about what he said in terms of where team sits
Fair play to Westmeath, better team won and are currently better placed to make a fist of Div1 hurling than Down.
For Down to have had a chance, they needed to be slicker working the ball out, but alas basic errors were punished hard by Westmeath as it would have been in Div1.
A positive year so far for Down so no complaints here.
As for the other game, serious marker laid down by Waterford there and considering Barron and Gleeson were two notable absentee's they'll take some beating this year. It's no wonder Cahill and Bevans turned down their native Tipp to keep going with this panel. Their in with a serious shout if they keep that up.
Beating Cork on a big pitch with a dry sod when everyone was talking about the seering pace in the Cork team which is indeed there, but Waterford are no slouches either and when Cork lads did take off on the few instances that happened, a waterford lad or two was with them all the way, to get in a hook or flick away. There's a bit of everything in this Waterford team, size, skill, pace and a bit of craft at both end of the field.
They had more options puck out wise, can go short, through the lines and also long, where they've big men under the ball able to out catch their opposite Cork opponent, whereas Cork had to go short as they don't have that same option up the other end, this and their defences inability to win air ball is Cork's weakness, exposed again last night, they don't know who to position at FB, Downey was out on the wing last night, got out caught and outpaced for one of the goals but their defence opened up like the red sea when big men thundered down the middle of their defence. Coleman isn't the type of centre back to go flying into those sort of physical challenges, but someone has to. All four goals hit into the ground to the keepers weak side, they've their homework done..
Wexford can feel a bit better about their performance last weekend now!!
Quote from: johnnycool on April 03, 2022, 11:56:04 AM
Fair play to Westmeath, better team won and are currently better placed to make a fist of Div1 hurling than Down.
For Down to have had a chance, they needed to be slicker working the ball out, but alas basic errors were punished hard by Westmeath as it would have been in Div1.
A positive year so far for Down so no complaints here.
As for the other game, serious marker laid down by Waterford there and considering Barron and Gleeson were two notable absentee's they'll take some beating this year. It's no wonder Cahill and Bevans turned down their native Tipp to keep going with this panel. Their in with a serious shout if they keep that up.
Beating Cork on a big pitch with a dry sod when everyone was talking about the seering pace in the Cork team which is indeed there, but Waterford are no slouches either and when Cork lads did take off on the few instances that happened, a waterford lad or two was with them all the way, to get in a hook or flick away. There's a bit of everything in this Waterford team, size, skill, pace and a bit of craft at both end of the field.
They had more options puck out wise, can go short, through the lines and also long, where they've big men under the ball able to out catch their opposite Cork opponent, whereas Cork had to go short as they don't have that same option up the other end, this and their defences inability to win air ball is Cork's weakness, exposed again last night, they don't know who to position at FB, Downey was out on the wing last night, got out caught and outpaced for one of the goals but their defence opened up like the red sea when big men thundered down the middle of their defence. Coleman isn't the type of centre back to go flying into those sort of physical challenges, but someone has to. All four goals hit into the ground to the keepers weak side, they've their homework done..
Wexford can feel a bit better about their performance last weekend now!!
Cork, for a second final in a row, will be disappointed. They wouldn't want to lose another final any time soon.
Full back line in bother, Mark Coleman kept off the ball and probably more worringly, apart from a few forwards(Hogan and O'Flynn) , they were badly cleaned out. Kingston and co. have work to do to find a settled team.
Waterford were good - ruthless for the goals. Dessie quiet but Bennett, Pa Curran and Neil Montgomery were excellent from open play. Don't seem to cough up many goal chances either in defence.
Down just outclassed. Westmeath's experience counts for a lot at that level. It's hard to beat. The step up is huge.
Derry move up a league, great to see. Great opportunity in Christy Ring now. Need to win that.
Really good to see hurling in good weather and on a dry sod. Makes some difference.
Waterford have peaked too early and set unreal expectations among their supporters.
Quote from: Don Cockburn on April 06, 2022, 12:51:39 PM
Waterford have peaked too early and set unreal expectations among their supporters.
Maybe, but with a young, hungry squad, we'll know more where they're really at post the minefield of the Munster Championship..
Coming third and into the qualifiers IMO would be OK for Waterford with a fit panel at the end of it as they'll be dangerous in the qualifiers and would most certainly get to an AI semi final.
Limerick are if anything in a slightly uncertain place, struggled possibly to build the playing panel over the league but still will be in the mix come the business end of the championship discipline aside.
Hope they've still the hunger to drive on as there's very average hurlers in Kilkenny with three AI medals, but they'd be heroes in any other county.
Kiely needs to generate that hunger within the squad and create competition for places within it to keep their place at the top of the pile..
Quote from: Don Cockburn on April 06, 2022, 12:51:39 PM
Waterford have peaked too early and set unreal expectations among their supporters.
I think it could be quite open this year, unless Limerick are at the level of recent years. Waterford will feel they can give it a proper lash.
It could take Tipp a while to build a new team.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/it-could-take-two-or-three-years-for-this-team-to-evolve-tipp-locked-in-a-battle-to-find-winning-form-41552290.html
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2022, 07:00:40 AM
It could take Tipp a while to build a new team.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/it-could-take-two-or-three-years-for-this-team-to-evolve-tipp-locked-in-a-battle-to-find-winning-form-41552290.html
It will indeed, but not winning Munster and AI U17 and U20 championships isn't necessarily a good barometer of how many hurlers on the respective teams will make it to senior in a meaningful way, have they already got the cream of their last strong U20 team bedded into the senior set up or are there more to come to add speed and strength to compliment the skill and shrewdness of the old guard and with Callinan allegedly out for a while to take up key positions within this Tipp team? We'll know more in 6-7 weeks time.
They'll do well to get out of Munster IMO.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 14, 2022, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2022, 07:00:40 AM
It could take Tipp a while to build a new team.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/it-could-take-two-or-three-years-for-this-team-to-evolve-tipp-locked-in-a-battle-to-find-winning-form-41552290.html
It will indeed, but not winning Munster and AI U17 and U20 championships isn't necessarily a good barometer of how many hurlers on the respective teams will make it to senior in a meaningful way, have they already got the cream of their last strong U20 team bedded into the senior set up or are there more to come to add speed and strength to compliment the skill and shrewdness of the old guard and with Callinan allegedly out for a while to take up key positions within this Tipp team? We'll know more in 6-7 weeks time.
They'll do well to get out of Munster IMO.
Agreed. Maybe they should have started the new team building process after the 2018 collapse. I know they won in 19 but it is 3 years on now.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild/Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.
"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.
"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.
Saturday, April 16th
Leinster Hurling Championship: Wexford vs Galway at 4:30pm live on Sky Sports Arena
Sunday, April 17th
Munster Hurling Championship: Waterford vs Tipperary at 2pm live on RTÉ2
Munster Hurling Championship: Cork vs Limerick at 4pm live on RTÉ2
Some start to the AI series not to mention Westmeath vrs Kilkenny
Saturdays game in Wexford too close to call, but will go with Waterford and Limerick in the other two.
Hope Westmeath put up some resistance but not hopeful.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 14, 2022, 03:13:41 PM
Saturday, April 16th
Leinster Hurling Championship: Wexford vs Galway at 4:30pm live on Sky Sports Arena
Sunday, April 17th
Munster Hurling Championship: Waterford vs Tipperary at 2pm live on RTÉ2
Munster Hurling Championship: Cork vs Limerick at 4pm live on RTÉ2
Some start to the AI series not to mention Westmeath vrs Kilkenny
Saturdays game in Wexford too close to call, but will go with Waterford and Limerick in the other two.
Hope Westmeath put up some resistance but not hopeful.
Jaysus, forgot about Dublin and Laois, hard to see Laois springing another surprise on the Dubs like they did a few years back, but you never know.
More sloppiness from Galway. They need to find that elusive sharpness that has been awol since 2017.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 14, 2022, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 14, 2022, 03:13:41 PM
Saturday, April 16th
Leinster Hurling Championship: Wexford vs Galway at 4:30pm live on Sky Sports Arena
Sunday, April 17th
Munster Hurling Championship: Waterford vs Tipperary at 2pm live on RTÉ2
Munster Hurling Championship: Cork vs Limerick at 4pm live on RTÉ2
Some start to the AI series not to mention Westmeath vrs Kilkenny
Saturdays game in Wexford too close to call, but will go with Waterford and Limerick in the other two.
Hope Westmeath put up some resistance but not hopeful.
Jaysus, forgot about Dublin and Laois, hard to see Laois springing another surprise on the Dubs like they did a few years back, but you never know.
Laois a point up at half time.
FT
Dublin 1-20
Laois 2-15
Couple of cracking games today... not sure were Limerick are at since the league was poor, we know the form of Waterford but will Tipp spring a surprise?
Quickly formed conclusion... Waterford will not win the ai this year. Not enough ball winners.
Gleeson and Barron making a big difference but still don't see them beating Limerick.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2022, 02:50:39 PM
Quickly formed conclusion... Waterford will not win the ai this year. Not enough ball winners.
Not sure about that.
Walsh Park is tight enough I think. They'll be better in bigger pitches.
Yeah I don't think a tight pitch suits them.
Better fielding this second half but you can't fault Tipps effort either. Tipp will improve also ... bookies had it a 4 point handicap, those lads know their shit!
Tipp never easy beat. Next one should be interesting too.
Cian Lynch point on his knees !!
Cork decisioning making very poor.
Always picked the wrong pass at the wrong time.
Few instances towards the end of first half when Limerick getting on top and cork backs getting bottled up and turned over. Surely if there are no runners you have to give the ball anyway and let the forward try and win the ball than get turned over 30-40 yards from goal and Limerick are in for a goal
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2022, 03:57:32 PM
Tipp never easy beat. Next one should be interesting too.
They are this year
Did you watch today? Only Limerick will beat them easy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2022, 09:40:55 PM
Did you watch today? Only Limerick will beat them easy.
The real Limerick stepped up today, no faffing about just brought championship hurling and set a marker down.
Waterford sorta faltered a bit but have too much in their squad to not make inroads this year.
I would worry limerick will win it handy enough. I think Waterford are decent. Leinster should be interesting as there's not much between Galway and Wexford and I would expect kk to be up there too.
Cork very disappointing and that game today a massive blow to them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2022, 10:26:44 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2022, 09:40:55 PM
Did you watch today? Only Limerick will beat them easy.
The real Limerick stepped up today, no faffing about just brought championship hurling and set a marker down.
Waterford sorta faltered a bit but have too much in their squad to not make inroads this year.
But are they strong enough psychologically ? I think there are parallels between them and Mayo.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2022, 10:30:40 PM
I would worry limerick will win it handy enough. I think Waterford are decent. Leinster should be interesting as there's not much between Galway and Wexford and I would expect kk to be up there too.
Cork very disappointing and that game today a massive blow to them.
Corks failings are obvious but they evidently don't have a few big, ignorant lads who can win dirty ball either end of the field about them to change it up. It's all well and good having speedsters but someone needs to get them the ball that they like and Limerick weren't that generous barring the early goal.
Tipp probably surprised most yesterday including a lot of their own fans, but Waterford had a bit of dirty diesel in the tank in the first half and improved in the second, but tipp stayed in the game right to the end. They'll fancy a cut at Clare next weekend.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 18, 2022, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2022, 10:30:40 PM
I would worry limerick will win it handy enough. I think Waterford are decent. Leinster should be interesting as there's not much between Galway and Wexford and I would expect kk to be up there too.
Cork very disappointing and that game today a massive blow to them.
Corks failings are obvious but they evidently don't have a few big, ignorant lads who can win dirty ball either end of the field about them to change it up. It's all well and good having speedsters but someone needs to get them the ball that they like and Limerick weren't that generous barring the early goal.
Tipp probably surprised most yesterday including a lot of their own fans, but Waterford had a bit of dirty diesel in the tank in the first half and improved in the second, but tipp stayed in the game right to the end. They'll fancy a cut at Clare next weekend.
"Lads, ye'll never win nothing if ye don't have a few tinkers"
Sylvester Linnane
Cork under a bit of pressure now, after a loss.
Another loss could be fatal. Munster is so tight to get out of - game after game and they're a battle.
Leinster have Laois and Westmeath, which not to be disrespe tful, should be a bit easier than Munster. KK have a decent run of fixtures through it.
Teams will definately be battle hardened come the knock out stage. First game, it's always good to get the win, regardless of the opposition.
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 01:51:42 PM
Cork under a bit of pressure now, after a loss.
Another loss could be fatal. Munster is so tight to get out of - game after game and they're a battle.
Leinster have Laois and Westmeath, which not to be disrespe tful, should be a bit easier than Munster. KK have a decent run of fixtures through it.
Teams will definately be battle hardened come the knock out stage. First game, it's always good to get the win, regardless of the opposition.
If Tipp lose to Clare then they're gone, but if Clare lose by a close margin, they've Cork in Thurles and two home games, albeit against Waterford and neighbours Limerick.
Tipp win, they'll have a chink of light when it comes to Cork and could make a go of that against the porous Cork defence.
Kilkenny will have 4 points in the bag before they get to Salthill, Dubs need to beat Wexford to stay in the fight, Galway need to put a big score on Westmeath.
1) Limerick Kilkenny
2) Waterford Galway
3) Cork Wexford
Confident enough of my ratings in Munster unless Cork fill the togs completely against Clare but 2 and 3 could trade places in Leinster.
Good win for the Dubs.
Has there ever been a hurling side as physically imposing and as athletic as this Limerick side. They just physically crush their opponents, don't think anyone will get near them this year.
They're getting close to as dominant as Dublin were in the football. That Waterford team is fantastic too but will probably never win an ai , or one soon anyway, with Limerick about.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 23, 2022, 08:36:43 PM
They're getting close to as dominant as Dublin were in the football. That Waterford team is fantastic too but will probably never win an ai , or one soon anyway, with Limerick about.
Waterford gave Limerick their fill of it for the full 70 minutes, fantastic game but Limerick showed why they're going to be the team to beat and also showed strength in depth as they now have a fairly busy treatment room yet lads like Pat Ryan come on and flick over a few points.
Wexford were poor vrs the Dubs who deserved their win even if they got a fright at the end. Terrible shooting and decision making by the yella bellies was their undoing.
Dublin fullback was outstanding.
Limerick still comfortably ahead of the pack but Waterford showed that they'd still have a puncher's chance if they met in the All Ireland.
With Flanagan, Kyle Hayes and Peter Casey already injured and now Cian Lynch, you'd never know. Players who've had a hectic few years and bulked up a lot physically could be injury prone.
It's weird to have a Leinster 6 and no Offaly.
Munster looks stronger again.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 24, 2022, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 23, 2022, 08:36:43 PM
They're getting close to as dominant as Dublin were in the football. That Waterford team is fantastic too but will probably never win an ai , or one soon anyway, with Limerick about.
Waterford gave Limerick their fill of it for the full 70 minutes, fantastic game but Limerick showed why they're going to be the team to beat and also showed strength in depth as they now have a fairly busy treatment room yet lads like Pat Ryan come on and flick over a few points.
Wexford were poor vrs the Dubs who deserved their win even if they got a fright at the end. Terrible shooting and decision making by the yella bellies was their undoing.
Dublin fullback was outstanding.
Eoghan O'Donnell is a quality hurler. All-Star material.
Last year I think he was marking a T.J. in the Leinster Final but he went off after 5 mins with a hamstring inhury. I think he came back for the final but came back too early.
KK went on to win comfortably enough but would have negated T.J. rightly if he had stsyed on.
Although Dubs had 2 lads out with Covid also iirc which didn't help them.
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Bonnar is there for the long haul. Tipp need a full rebuild.
This year does not matter. The question is whether Cork will be ahead of Tipp 3 years from now.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild
/Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.
"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.
"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Bonnar is there for the long haul. Tipp need a full rebuild.
This year does not matter. The question is whether Cork will be ahead of Tipp 3 years from now.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild
/Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.
"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.
"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.
Tipp aren't renowned for their patience when it comes to their senior hurlers, that's entitlement for you.
Putting up a good show vrs Waterford earned Bonner some brownie points, but they're well gone after the nature of the defeat by Clare as much as anything.
Limerick and Cork next for Tipp.
Salvaging some pride by beating Cork (too early in the year to save the hay) in the last game might be enough to keep Bonner in place for 2023
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Bonnar is there for the long haul. Tipp need a full rebuild.
This year does not matter. The question is whether Cork will be ahead of Tipp 3 years from now.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0201/1277214-bonnar-planning-fresh-foundations-for-tipperary-rebuild
/Sometimes when you win an U21 or U20, you feel next year, I'm gonna be playing senior and it's just an automatic transition," he reflects.
"But even Jake, in terms of the first two or three years, how much he's grown in the strength and conditioning, and athletic development side.
"It nearly does take two or three years to develop into that type of player where they can take the impacts. If they hadn't conditioning done over those two or three years they wouldn't be getting back up or they'd be so winded that the game would be gone for nearly half an hour before they get back into it.
Of course a manager is going to say it takes X number of years. They have to preserve themselves for when it goes belly up. "It's a long term process" etc
And as JC said Tipp not renowned for patience
If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.
Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.
Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence
Tipperary definately in "transition". Some people don't like that word but it's true - when you lose the 2 Mahers, Jame Barry etc. with Seamie C and Bubbles (injured, plus the Mc Grath's with a lot of mileage on the clock, that's transition over 3 or 4 years. Won't be turned around overnight. I think Tipp people understand this now. Colm B underatands it and will get another year regardless of what happens in the next few weeks.
I wonder will LC get the chance to manage his native Tipp? Will it be held against him by the powers to be that he stayed in Waterford? Or is he a cert to come in after Bonnar? I still think he'll get another year in Waterford - he has enough credit in the bank this past few years.
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2022, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.
Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence
Tipperary definately in "transition". Some people don't like that word but it's true - when you lose the 2 Mahers, Jame Barry etc. with Seamie C and Bubbles (injured, plus the Mc Grath's with a lot of mileage on the clock, that's transition over 3 or 4 years. Won't be turned around overnight. I think Tipp people understand this now. Colm B underatands it and will get another year regardless of what happens in the next few weeks.
I wonder will LC get the chance to manage his native Tipp? Will it be held against him by the powers to be that he stayed in Waterford? Or is he a cert to come in after Bonnar? I still think he'll get another year in Waterford - he has enough credit in the bank this past few years.
Cahill will be with Waterford for as long as he so desires. He has them as serious contenders and the panel is still pretty young.
You'd be right about the thickness of Tipp fans and whether they'd forgive him for turning them down in their hour of need and how that plays out longer term is anyones guess.
Colm B will get at least next years Munster championship, but there needs to big holes filled in that Tipp team and a definitive style of play, none of which was obvious yesterday.
The McGraths et all have run their race at this level, fine hurlers, but it'll be interesting if the younger one can hold the No3 berth, he'd a baptism of fire yesterday and the league didn't go well for him either.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 03:22:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2022, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
If things don't go well for Waterford this year, as in not winning an All Ireland it could bring a manager about or not for Tipp. Cahill might see more potential if they reach a final and go close and stay on. or if they win an All Ireland he could move on and take over his native Tipp, he's worked wonders with Waterford and they are further on than when McGrath had them.
Tipp produce fantastic hurlers every year, they just need the right mix of manager and conditions to produce a winning team, they are arrogant enough to believe they can win Liam every year, so don't lack confidence
Tipperary definately in "transition". Some people don't like that word but it's true - when you lose the 2 Mahers, Jame Barry etc. with Seamie C and Bubbles (injured, plus the Mc Grath's with a lot of mileage on the clock, that's transition over 3 or 4 years. Won't be turned around overnight. I think Tipp people understand this now. Colm B underatands it and will get another year regardless of what happens in the next few weeks.
I wonder will LC get the chance to manage his native Tipp? Will it be held against him by the powers to be that he stayed in Waterford? Or is he a cert to come in after Bonnar? I still think he'll get another year in Waterford - he has enough credit in the bank this past few years.
Cahill will be with Waterford for as long as he so desires. He has them as serious contenders and the panel is still pretty young.
You'd be right about the thickness of Tipp fans and whether they'd forgive him for turning them down in their hour of need and how that plays out longer term is anyones guess.
Colm B will get at least next years Munster championship, but there needs to big holes filled in that Tipp team and a definitive style of play, none of which was obvious yesterday.
The McGraths et all have run their race at this level, fine hurlers, but it'll be interesting if the younger one can hold the No3 berth, he'd a baptism of fire yesterday and the league didn't go well for him either.
Yeah, Brian is a defender. You'd think with Noel and John being outstanding forwards, that he'd be similar to them. They've been unbeliveable for LM/CY and Tipp, both in football and football down through the years. Fantastic talents and really good to watch. Great hand and hurling brains.
Brian, I think was a minor winning captain and has the talent but Duggan is a handful for anybody on the square. I saw Brian as more of a wing-back but players are everywhere nowadays.
In fairness, Munster, with this group format, is really tight. It really is on the day between everyone but Limerick and to a certain degree the Déise.
Makes for great viewing though.
Its great to watch but the battles are intense and physically/mentally draining for the players.. the squads need to be used to lessen the burden, otherwise you'll have a fantastic Munster championship but shattered teams heading into the business end of things
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Tipp are 100/1 https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/all-ireland-senior-hurling-championship/winner
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Tipp are 100/1 https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/all-ireland-senior-hurling-championship/winner
Might as well be 10,000/1, you'd be giving your money away.
Winners will come out of Limerick, Waterford and a fighting chance for Kilkenny as they're never beat easy.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 26, 2022, 07:58:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Tipp are 100/1 https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/all-ireland-senior-hurling-championship/winner
Might as well be 10,000/1, you'd be giving your money away.
Winners will come out of Limerick, Waterford and a fighting chance for Kilkenny as they're never beat easy.
The last time they were this poor was 2018.
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
Clare putting Tipp to the sword a lot easier than the 7 point scoreline suggested....
Hard to see Tipp recover from that with Cork and Limerick to come.
If Clare can beat Cork and that's not beyond the realms of reality as they too have huge men in their forwards able to win high ball, something we know Cork can't handle to date then it'll get all interesting for the Munster Championship..
O'Donnell has gotten over his concussion issues hopefully and with Duggan back in the mix, Clare will be confident going into that game, but you gotta wonder about Tipp, how they left their fullback line so exposed, heck, Conlan who was Clare's centre back ran 40 metres into the heart of the Tipp defence to get a shot off at the keeper and the rebound was buried in the net..
Big issues for Bonnar to sort out.
Tipp are 100/1 https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/all-ireland-senior-hurling-championship/winner
So that means that if you put a tenner on Tipp you will lose a tennner.
You've got to love the authorities behind the hurling, whole way through the league they are on about the throw balls and the heavy swarm tackling and letting on they are going to do something about it.
Fast forward to the championship and the they just throw the rule book out the window and say just have at it lads.
I'm not giving out about the games, Limerick Waterford was a cracker, pretty much every tackle in it was full on and over the line in almost all of them.
Point is why bother pretending, we know when it comes to the summer in the All Ireland at least its fair game and a free for all. Yet in all the other 'lower' competitions the rules are enforced and you only need to look at the stats in terms of yellow and red cards outside the top tier games.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 26, 2022, 11:48:52 AM
You've got to love the authorities behind the hurling, whole way through the league they are on about the throw balls and the heavy swarm tackling and letting on they are going to do something about it.
Fast forward to the championship and the they just throw the rule book out the window and say just have at it lads.
I'm not giving out about the games, Limerick Waterford was a cracker, pretty much every tackle in it was full on and over the line in almost all of them.
Point is why bother pretending, we know when it comes to the summer in the All Ireland at least its fair game and a free for all. Yet in all the other 'lower' competitions the rules are enforced and you only need to look at the stats in terms of yellow and red cards outside the top tier games.
That trickles down to county league and championship also. Id be very guilty of it, tighter and softer in league games and let them at it at senior championship. It should be the same from div 4 club to senior All Ireland, the unfortunate thing is, if we allowed those intercounty tackles in league games or in some Championship games it would cause mayhem and all in moments ..
Laois and Westmeath are way off the pace in Leinster. The gap doesn't appear to be narrowing at all.
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
I read and hear a lot about how the lower tiers can bridge the gap and IMO to do this the emphasis really needs on getting underage teams exposed to the top tier on a consistent basis, not just once in a blue moon.
Antrim U17's have played half a dozen games so far and have yet to face a tier one team and when they do will probably come up short, but what if they'd gotten a bit of exposure in some form of league even if they'd taken some beatings, at least the shock come May time won't be as severe.
Laois are probably getting more exposure than Westmeath, Meath and Carlow but that's how you prepare these young lads to compete at senior rather than hope for a miracle and when that miracle doesn't happen gurn on the Sunday Game about the beatings teams take.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams. The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 27, 2022, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
I read and hear a lot about how the lower tiers can bridge the gap and IMO to do this the emphasis really needs on getting underage teams exposed to the top tier on a consistent basis, not just once in a blue moon.
Antrim U17's have played half a dozen games so far and have yet to face a tier one team and when they do will probably come up short, but what if they'd gotten a bit of exposure in some form of league even if they'd taken some beatings, at least the shock come May time won't be as severe.
Laois are probably getting more exposure than Westmeath, Meath and Carlow but that's how you prepare these young lads to compete at senior rather than hope for a miracle and when that miracle doesn't happen gurn on the Sunday Game about the beatings teams take.
Have they even faced a tier two team, I believe that's the third tier they are in
Quote from: shark on April 27, 2022, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams. The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.
Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 27, 2022, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
I read and hear a lot about how the lower tiers can bridge the gap and IMO to do this the emphasis really needs on getting underage teams exposed to the top tier on a consistent basis, not just once in a blue moon.
Antrim U17's have played half a dozen games so far and have yet to face a tier one team and when they do will probably come up short, but what if they'd gotten a bit of exposure in some form of league even if they'd taken some beatings, at least the shock come May time won't be as severe.
Laois are probably getting more exposure than Westmeath, Meath and Carlow but that's how you prepare these young lads to compete at senior rather than hope for a miracle and when that miracle doesn't happen gurn on the Sunday Game about the beatings teams take.
Agree with this. Antrim footballers were the same as the hurlers are really - spend their underage lives not competing at / with top level then suddenly turn senior and expect to compete.
Player turnover can happen due to the effort required to get near that level sometimes I think but not sure it's the problem here.
Proximity is a factor too with top teams.
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 28, 2022, 06:56:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 27, 2022, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
I read and hear a lot about how the lower tiers can bridge the gap and IMO to do this the emphasis really needs on getting underage teams exposed to the top tier on a consistent basis, not just once in a blue moon.
Antrim U17's have played half a dozen games so far and have yet to face a tier one team and when they do will probably come up short, but what if they'd gotten a bit of exposure in some form of league even if they'd taken some beatings, at least the shock come May time won't be as severe.
Laois are probably getting more exposure than Westmeath, Meath and Carlow but that's how you prepare these young lads to compete at senior rather than hope for a miracle and when that miracle doesn't happen gurn on the Sunday Game about the beatings teams take.
Have they even faced a tier two team, I believe that's the third tier they are in
They've played Carlow, Westmeath, who in terms of seniors are tier 2, but yes, IMO they need to be lining out vrs Laois, Wexford, the Dubs and so on in some form of league, but I take your point as I'd still consider Derry, ourselves, Meath and Kildare to be a level below that again.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 08:10:20 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 27, 2022, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
I read and hear a lot about how the lower tiers can bridge the gap and IMO to do this the emphasis really needs on getting underage teams exposed to the top tier on a consistent basis, not just once in a blue moon.
Antrim U17's have played half a dozen games so far and have yet to face a tier one team and when they do will probably come up short, but what if they'd gotten a bit of exposure in some form of league even if they'd taken some beatings, at least the shock come May time won't be as severe.
Laois are probably getting more exposure than Westmeath, Meath and Carlow but that's how you prepare these young lads to compete at senior rather than hope for a miracle and when that miracle doesn't happen gurn on the Sunday Game about the beatings teams take.
Agree with this. Antrim footballers were the same as the hurlers are really - spend their underage lives not competing at / with top level then suddenly turn senior and expect to compete.
Player turnover can happen due to the effort required to get near that level sometimes I think but not sure it's the problem here.
Proximity is a factor too with top teams.
Monentum.is also relevant. Antrim won the Tommy Murphy cup in 08? and got to the Ulster final in 09. Momentum builds confidence.
Quote from: seafoid on April 29, 2022, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: shark on April 27, 2022, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams. The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.
Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.
It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.
Quote from: shark on April 29, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 29, 2022, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: shark on April 27, 2022, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams. The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.
Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.
It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.
A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.
That's the hard reality.
It's a problem in county regardless of hurling or football tbh.
The provincial system is also a problem. Leinster and Munster look after themselves.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: shark on April 29, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 29, 2022, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: shark on April 27, 2022, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams. The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.
Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.
It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.
A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.
That's the hard reality.
That's why I don't do intercounty ;D ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2022, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: shark on April 29, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 29, 2022, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: shark on April 27, 2022, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams. The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.
Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.
It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.
A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.
That's the hard reality.
That's why I don't do intercounty ;D ;)
Don't or didn't? ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2022, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: shark on April 29, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 29, 2022, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: shark on April 27, 2022, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...
Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams. The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.
Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.
It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.
A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.
That's the hard reality.
That's why I don't do intercounty ;D ;)
Don't or didn't? ;D
;D
I see Lynch is out with a confirmed hamstring injury? Will he be back for the All Ireland final?
Clash of the Leinster titans imminent
Great game that very enjoyable.
Was that a free?? You fairly had to fight for the ball if you wanted it in that game.
Cody doesn't look like much love lost for shefflin.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 01, 2022, 03:45:40 PM
Was that a free?? You fairly had to fight for the ball if you wanted it in that game.
Cody doesn't look like much love lost for shefflin.
Soft free maybe but I thought Galway just about deserved the win.
Great result for Galway. Smashing energy. Who cares about Wexford?
Quote from: laoislad on May 01, 2022, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 01, 2022, 03:45:40 PM
Was that a free?? You fairly had to fight for the ball if you wanted it in that game.
Cody doesn't look like much love lost for shefflin.
Soft free maybe but I thought Galway just about deserved the win.
Yeah they should have won by more.
G Cody doesn't come across well with that Handshake.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2022, 11:14:16 PM
G Cody doesn't come across well with that Handshake.
An absolute bully and bad loser but none of this is new. When you think what Shefflin has been through lately it would have hardly killed him to say "well done"
Cody has got old looking I must say.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2022, 11:14:16 PM
G Cody doesn't come across well with that Handshake.
He doesn't come across well a lot of the time. He was a bull a few years ago with Marty Morrissey after winning the All Ireland.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2022, 12:14:18 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2022, 11:14:16 PM
G Cody doesn't come across well with that Handshake.
He doesn't come across well a lot of the time. He was a bull a few years ago with Marty Morrissey after winning the All Ireland.
Cody doesn't take too kindly to losing and being old school he probably (no probably in it) can't hid his disgust at a Kilkenny man managing a team to beat their native county even if that is his former leading player, Henry who TBH looked a bit shook up over it.
In 2006 he was like a deranged animal prowling the sidelines in Thurles when they lined out against Galway, who'd beaten them in the previous AI semifinal, what followed was a kilkenny team playing on the edge and over it a good few times who tore Galway to pieces.
As for the game itself, Galway the better team, but you just can't let a Kilkenny team to get back at you and it almost proved very costly for Galway, the free at the end probably was soft but Deegans came clattering into the back of Monaghans head and the way the game is being refereed now that's a free.
Tom Monaghan had a great game over the 70 for Galway, the introduction of Whelan gave them a goal threat even if he did butcher a few chances, the Cooneys gave Galway some good moments and in Burke and McInerney they've a solid spine in their defence.
Eoin Cody is showing that he's ready to take over from TJ, fierce, powerful hurler who takes the direct route to goal with plenty of skill and awareness with him, serious hurler who along with Billy Ryan will cause problems for most defences.
Still think they're lacking a bit elsewhere, midfield is a bit meh for me, but I think they'll be in a Leinster final, most likely vrs Galway and I wouldn't put it past them to win it.
Next up for Kilkenny is Dublin in Parnell park, Dubs will have gained some confidence for the win down in Wexford and will hope to have a cut at them.
Cork are in a bit of a mess ATM, and whilst the highlights don't tell an awful lot, it seems that Clare bullied them yet again and where almost 10 points up just before half time, the goal at the end probably doesn't reflect the Clare dominance but Cork have serious issues about how they get players on the field able to give as good as they get, I'd go further than "boldness" as Shane Dowling kept saying, they need utter guttersnipes willing to go in and win dirty ball whatever it takes both ends of the field, fill in round them with the speedsters and what not but you need the mix and currently Cork haven't got that. Maybe overthinking the game down by the Lee, too structured in their set up, players able to work and thrive in chaos is the new thing coaching wise, Cork haven't grasped that.
Clare do have that and will be pleased with their start in 2 wins from 2. If that's enough to hold onto 3rd spot they'll be happy, but I think they might need another point against Waterford or Limerick with Waterford in Ennis the most likely. Still think they're a bit below that level, but then again they won't fear Waterford and don't particularly like their Limerick friends being c**k-a-hoop and will bounce into them Lohan like and see where that gets them. The new boy wonder of Clare hurling, Shane Meehan has yet to get any gametime in this championship but he'll be needed.
Munster
Limerick
Waterford
Clare
Leinster
Galway
Kilkenny
Dubs
Dubs just because if it comes down to them and Wex on same points the head to head will work for the Dubs.
Fantastic game of hurling. Went down to it. Class atmoslhere. Salthill a great stadium with 14, 000+ in it and weather conditions decent.
Galway were very good in the first half, played with the wind and Cooney was great on the frees. Concannon got an unreal point from near the end-line. One of the best points I have ever seen. The technique was unreal, put spin on it to steer it through from the tighest of angles.
Cody was unreal for KK. Pace, power and ability. New T.J. in the making! Funny enough T.J. didn't come out to late - after the photo etc. so not sure was he sick/injured but wasn't on top form.
Didn't think it was a free at the end but Cooney nailed it against the breeze.
Real enjoyable game. All to play for in Leinster as well as Munster.
The not letting go of his hand was pathetic.
Entertaining game yesterday between the two. Galway that bit better and shouldn't have let kk back in it. Once they worked out how to handle Cody they were very much in charge.
Cork result interesting too. Galvin should never have seen red and if he hadn't it looked like Clare would maybe have won by more. Cork tipp playoff for the bottom of the table now it seems.
Kk Wexford should be interesting now too. I imagine kk I'll have too much for Dublin.
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 01, 2022, 11:25:52 PM
Cody has got old looking I must say.
He sure has
Yeah, looks jaded enough but still as determined as ever.
Didn't see the handshake thing until late last night. Body language experts all over it I'd say. I'm sure both will say it's all about the players but still hard to get away from the two leaders.
Kilkenny love to portray themselves as great hurling people and talk the talk about promoting the game. However they have always been very slow to help out other counties.
Tipperary have sent far more coaches out to help the weaker counties than Kilkenny have.
You can see from Cody's reaction that helping out other counties is just not on.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 02, 2022, 04:35:40 PM
Kilkenny love to portray themselves as great hurling people and talk the talk about promoting the game. However they have always been very slow to help out other counties.
Tipperary have sent far more coaches out to help the weaker counties than Kilkenny have.
You can see from Cody's reaction that helping out other counties is just not on.
You g forward Tipp would need to keep some of those good coaches
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 02, 2022, 04:35:40 PM
Kilkenny love to portray themselves as great hurling people and talk the talk about promoting the game. However they have always been very slow to help out other counties.
Tipperary have sent far more coaches out to help the weaker counties than Kilkenny have.
You can see from Cody's reaction that helping out other counties is just not on.
Would that "to help out" mean paid?
Quote from: johnnycool on May 02, 2022, 11:03:29 AM
In 2006 he was like a deranged animal prowling the sidelines in Thurles when they lined out against Galway, who'd beaten them in the previous AI semifinal, what followed was a kilkenny team playing on the edge and over it a good few times who tore Galway to pieces.
Was he bad in 2006? If I recall in that game Kilkenny were comfortably in front and Galway got some late scores to make it respectable.
In 2004 vs. Galway in Thurles Cody spent the day 5 yards inside the sideline dishing out dog's abuse at Diarmuid Kirwan who was early in his career and probably too sheepish to stand up to him.
https://inpho.ie/assignment/All-Ireland-Hurling-Championship-Qualifier-Kilkenny-vs-Galway-11-7-2004/NffTnrQ__ZNumpRfR4u3tQ..a
(https://inpho.ie/cache/inpho/77/a2/74/7dbebdf456c899413c617e88b16e1b785eadc872dc/INPHO_00126283.jpg)
Shefflin a bit taken aback by the whole thing it seemed. Bad manners to be honest. It wouldn't warm you to him.
I have read plenty of stuff over the years and podcasts etc from KK players when their time was up or being let go. Almost to a man it was a brutal ending with the conversation taking 10 seconds. There is no arguing with what he has achieved, but there are a few different ways to deliver the same message. He won't care what people think of him but he's a bad tempered bully and it's been evident for years.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on May 02, 2022, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 02, 2022, 11:03:29 AM
In 2006 he was like a deranged animal prowling the sidelines in Thurles when they lined out against Galway, who'd beaten them in the previous AI semifinal, what followed was a kilkenny team playing on the edge and over it a good few times who tore Galway to pieces.
Was he bad in 2006? If I recall in that game Kilkenny were comfortably in front and Galway got some late scores to make it respectable.
In 2004 vs. Galway in Thurles Cody spent the day 5 yards inside the sideline dishing out dog's abuse at Diarmuid Kirwan who was early in his career and probably too sheepish to stand up to him.
https://inpho.ie/assignment/All-Ireland-Hurling-Championship-Qualifier-Kilkenny-vs-Galway-11-7-2004/NffTnrQ__ZNumpRfR4u3tQ..a
(https://inpho.ie/cache/inpho/77/a2/74/7dbebdf456c899413c617e88b16e1b785eadc872dc/INPHO_00126283.jpg)
Yeah 2006,
I'm almost certain as Galway had surprised Kilkenny in the 2005 semi-final with Broderick waltzing through the KK defence for a wonder goal, Cork then beat them in the final.
They were due to meet in the quarter final the following year (we'd played Galway in Ballycran the week before, so Galway were going in well undercooked) with Conor Hayes their manager, Noel Hickey closelined Cloonan or one of the other Galway forwards early on and stayed on the park, set the tempo and Kilkenny were ruthless and Cody was as animated as he'd been for quite a while.
Make no bones about it, great manager but very ruthless.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 03, 2022, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on May 02, 2022, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 02, 2022, 11:03:29 AM
In 2006 he was like a deranged animal prowling the sidelines in Thurles when they lined out against Galway, who'd beaten them in the previous AI semifinal, what followed was a kilkenny team playing on the edge and over it a good few times who tore Galway to pieces.
Was he bad in 2006? If I recall in that game Kilkenny were comfortably in front and Galway got some late scores to make it respectable.
In 2004 vs. Galway in Thurles Cody spent the day 5 yards inside the sideline dishing out dog's abuse at Diarmuid Kirwan who was early in his career and probably too sheepish to stand up to him.
https://inpho.ie/assignment/All-Ireland-Hurling-Championship-Qualifier-Kilkenny-vs-Galway-11-7-2004/NffTnrQ__ZNumpRfR4u3tQ..a
(https://inpho.ie/cache/inpho/77/a2/74/7dbebdf456c899413c617e88b16e1b785eadc872dc/INPHO_00126283.jpg)
Yeah 2006,
I'm almost certain as Galway had surprised Kilkenny in the 2005 semi-final with Broderick waltzing through the KK defence for a wonder goal, Cork then beat them in the final.
They were due to meet in the quarter final the following year (we'd played Galway in Ballycran the week before, so Galway were going in well undercooked) with Conor Hayes their manager, Noel Hickey closelined Cloonan or one of the other Galway forwards early on and stayed on the park, set the tempo and Kilkenny were ruthless and Cody was as animated as he'd been for quite a while.
Make no bones about it, great manager but very ruthless.
The 06 final was the end of Cork and the beginning of the KK empire. Cody is ruthess. Maybe the method works when the team is dominant but does it when KK hurling is relatively mediocre ? Would it work for the Roscommon manager?
Kids nowadays are a bit soft when it comes to that approach, they don't react well to being told they are f**king useless and what the fcuk are you playing at out there? Tough love is gone, cant see it ever coming back
Missed the first half as we had a match, saw Galway go 16 minutes without a score; Won't win too many matches with a period like that going forward.
Galway going to have to sharpen up in front of the posts, Galway had a lot more missed opportunities according to the stats then KK. Would like to think a fully fit Whelan would have buried his opportunity, Joseph Cooney & Monaghan's form a big positive.
Not a good year for Cork, seniors almost out and with Clare minors putting out their Cork counterparts in Cork last night there'll be no Cork participation in any Munster finals this year. U20's also didn't make their respective final.
All running and no hurling as a Clare sage put it.
In the compressed season, it can all go Pete Tong in a week or a fortnight. Cork looked impressive throughout the league.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1521922624196128770 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1521922624196128770)
Some steal and then to finish with a goal, skill levels are high even at U20 level in Limerick.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on May 05, 2022, 12:16:29 PM
In the compressed season, it can all go Pete Tong in a week or a fortnight. Cork looked impressive throughout the league.
Injuries are taking their toll, so getting bodies back is a must for a sustained run through the provincial championships and there after.
Evidently Cork put more effort into the league than most others who were timing their runs for later in the year.
They need to unearth a few Timmy Crowleys and Kevin Hennessy's to throw in that panel, too many lads wanting lose ball.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on May 05, 2022, 12:16:29 PM
In the compressed season, it can all go Pete Tong in a week or a fortnight. Cork looked impressive throughout the league.
it looks as though Cork's record gap between all Irelands will be broken this year.
Congratulations to both Laois and Offaly after their great wins in the Leinster minor semi-finals over Kilkenny and Dublin respectively.
Tipperary putting it up to Limerick today. One point ahead early in the second half.
They couldn't keep it going.
Great effort however
Limerick - some team, some finish.
Good performance by Tipp but game goes for 70+ mins.
Limerick just keep going and can blitz you with 1-3 in 2 mins.
Tipp had 3 bad wides in a row around the 60 mins and they needed every score at that stage.
They just need to stick at it I think.
Can anyone stop Limerick? Nobody in Munster looks up to the task.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 08, 2022, 09:46:57 PM
Can anyone stop Limerick? Nobody in Munster looks up to the task.
Teams will need at this rate for Limerick to lose a man early doors (which could happen with their style) Waterford are the only team who'll challenge. They have changed this season and realise goals will get them closer to Limerick..
Physically they are nearly there
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 08, 2022, 09:46:57 PM
Can anyone stop Limerick? Nobody in Munster looks up to the task.
Teams will need at this rate for Limerick to lose a man early doors (which could happen with their style) Waterford are the only team who'll challenge. They have changed this season and realise goals will get them closer to Limerick..
Physically they are nearly there
Waterford could end up playing Limerick 3 times
Clare may be dark horses. They are playing Limerick next Sunday so should be interesting.
Waterford need to chance avoiding the Munster Final and steel themselves for ONE more match with Limerick this year, not two.
Quote from: Zooming around on May 09, 2022, 09:18:21 AM
Waterford need to chance avoiding the Munster Final and steel themselves for ONE more match with Limerick this year, not two.
I'd agree with that.
If you're going to catch Limerick you want it to be a knock out game and the Munster final isn't that.
Imagine if there was such a thing as a ref who stood up to Limerick thuggery!
Tipperary are moving in the right direction. If it wasn't for an unreal list of absentees, we'd have already booked our place in the Munster final.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 09, 2022, 07:44:28 PM
Imagine if there was such a thing as a ref who stood up to Limerick thuggery!
Tipperary are moving in the right direction. If it wasn't for an unreal list of absentees, we'd have already booked our place in the Munster final.
It certainly wouldn't have been Brian Gavin for all his bleating in the press.
Kilkenny in their pomp also crossed the line many a time, and Mr Paudie Maher also availed of some lenient decisions in his time, lets not forget.
Some ;D
What's your take on Aaron Gillane's one handed swing on Ronan Maher on Sunday?
Was it a red or a yellow, as he got?
I thought red.
I'd need to so it live again, the ref could have had more support from his team and allowed them to give him a better judgement on it.. Its always handier if your linesman says defo red striking/dangerous play..
The fact that he didn't pull in with two hands on stick and lose the grip on the stick intentionally that would have been the difference between a soft red or a lucky yellow..
You ask the question did he intend to do the man? or did he intend to get the ball and man? I think he was in two minds tbh and that's why he let go of the stick, I haven't seen that side to him too often and had it been Gearoid Hegarty you'd have no issues with thinking intent or not..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 10, 2022, 10:44:16 AM
I'd need to so it live again, the ref could have had more support from his team and allowed them to give him a better judgement on it.. Its always handier if your linesman says defo red striking/dangerous play..
The fact that he didn't pull in with two hands on stick and lose the grip on the stick intentionally that would have been the difference between a soft red or a lucky yellow..
You ask the question did he intend to do the man? or did he intend to get the ball and man? I think he was in two minds tbh and that's why he let go of the stick, I haven't seen that side to him too often and had it been Gearoid Hegarty you'd have no issues with thinking intent or not..
Not sure about that - he's regularly got off lightly this past few years in my opinion.
Yeah, hard to know. It was wild with one hand and timing a bit off but probably a yellow.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 10, 2022, 10:44:16 AM
I'd need to so it live again, the ref could have had more support from his team and allowed them to give him a better judgement on it.. Its always handier if your linesman says defo red striking/dangerous play..
The fact that he didn't pull in with two hands on stick and lose the grip on the stick intentionally that would have been the difference between a soft red or a lucky yellow..
You ask the question did he intend to do the man? or did he intend to get the ball and man? I think he was in two minds tbh and that's why he let go of the stick, I haven't seen that side to him too often and had it been Gearoid Hegarty you'd have no issues with thinking intent or not..
He should have gotten the line last year for a wild swipe on Cathal Barrett in the Munster final
The fact that it was Barrett he hit probably saved him
But he has it in his locker and needs to tread carefully from now on
Quote from: marty34 on May 10, 2022, 09:28:38 AM
What's your take on Aaron Gillane's one handed swing on Ronan Maher on Sunday?
Was it a red or a yellow, as he got?
I thought it was a red but it was much more than a one handed swipe at the ball, there was venom in it and pretty late.
Limerick hurler arrested on Sunday night in an alleged altercation with a Tipp hurler....
Could off field activities prove to be Limericks undoing?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html)
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 09:12:51 AM
Limerick hurler arrested on Sunday night in an alleged altercation with a Tipp hurler....
Could off field activities prove to be Limericks undoing?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html)
I thought Limerick, after their holiday away a few years ago, had got all this carry on sorted.
Kiely will not be happy with all this outside noise.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 09:12:51 AM
Limerick hurler arrested on Sunday night in an alleged altercation with a Tipp hurler....
Could off field activities prove to be Limericks undoing?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html)
Not a great look but I highly doubt it will have any impact on them winning or not winning the All Ireland.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2022, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 09:12:51 AM
Limerick hurler arrested on Sunday night in an alleged altercation with a Tipp hurler....
Could off field activities prove to be Limericks undoing?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html)
Not a great look but I highly doubt it will have any impact on them winning or not winning the All Ireland.
Depends on how it's dealt with within the group.
A high profile player a few years back was up to something similar and it was brushed under the carpet, if this lad is treated more severely as he's a panelist who it seems regularly comes off the bench then who knows how that impacts on the group internally.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2022, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 09:12:51 AM
Limerick hurler arrested on Sunday night in an alleged altercation with a Tipp hurler....
Could off field activities prove to be Limericks undoing?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html)
Not a great look but I highly doubt it will have any impact on them winning or not winning the All Ireland.
Depends on how it's dealt with within the group.
A high profile player a few years back was up to something similar and it was brushed under the carpet, if this lad is treated more severely as he's a panelist who it seems regularly comes off the bench then who knows how that impacts on the group internally.
Its not being looked other than the management for breaking internal protocols, hopefully they stick to their own standards regardless of who it is
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2022, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2022, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 09:12:51 AM
Limerick hurler arrested on Sunday night in an alleged altercation with a Tipp hurler....
Could off field activities prove to be Limericks undoing?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html)
Not a great look but I highly doubt it will have any impact on them winning or not winning the All Ireland.
Depends on how it's dealt with within the group.
A high profile player a few years back was up to something similar and it was brushed under the carpet, if this lad is treated more severely as he's a panelist who it seems regularly comes off the bench then who knows how that impacts on the group internally.
Its not being looked other than the management for breaking internal protocols, hopefully they stick to their own standards regardless of who it is
Everybody is breaking protocols these days it seems! :)
Quote from: marty34 on May 11, 2022, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2022, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2022, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 11, 2022, 09:12:51 AM
Limerick hurler arrested on Sunday night in an alleged altercation with a Tipp hurler....
Could off field activities prove to be Limericks undoing?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/limerick-hurler-arrested-for-allegedly-head-butting-tipperary-rival-in-pub-after-match-41637406.html)
Not a great look but I highly doubt it will have any impact on them winning or not winning the All Ireland.
Depends on how it's dealt with within the group.
A high profile player a few years back was up to something similar and it was brushed under the carpet, if this lad is treated more severely as he's a panelist who it seems regularly comes off the bench then who knows how that impacts on the group internally.
Its not being looked other than the management for breaking internal protocols, hopefully they stick to their own standards regardless of who it is
Everybody is breaking protocols these days it seems! :)
This protocol craic is taking over the board today! ;)
Mayo have qualified for the Christy Ring final. Will it be on tv?
A famous draw
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0514/1298028-joe-fortune-on-special-day-for-westmeath-hurling/
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2022, 02:54:30 PM
Mayo have qualified for the Christy Ring final. Will it be on tv?
How many senior hurling clubs in Mayo?
Great achievement for them but Kildare will be too strong for them.
Does Keith Higgins still play?
Quote from: marty34 on May 15, 2022, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2022, 02:54:30 PM
Mayo have qualified for the Christy Ring final. Will it be on tv?
How many senior hurling clubs in Mayo?
Great achievement for them but Kildare will be too strong for them.
Does Keith Higgins still play?
He was captain last year I think.. brilliant player in both codes
Quote from: marty34 on May 15, 2022, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2022, 02:54:30 PM
Mayo have qualified for the Christy Ring final. Will it be on tv?
How many senior hurling clubs in Mayo?
Great achievement for them but Kildare will be too strong for them.
Does Keith Higgins still play?
There were 5 adult hurling clubs up till this year, then Ballina, Claremorris and Moytura based in Ballinrobe set up adult hurling clubs this year. The latter three had ones a few years ago too but folded again, it'll probably be always the way in Mayo. Ballyvary have an underage club and I don't know why they haven't a senior one, interest and numbers perhaps.
Higgins still plays and was playing yesterday too.
Waterford p1ss poor today..
Why are half the limerick players allowed to wear obviously illegal faceguards?
Isn't it great to see Cusack Park in Ennis full to the rafters. I thought H&S has put an end to those days
Hegarty off for a wild one handed pull
Duignan saying there was nothing in it. Jaysus wept
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 15, 2022, 03:29:11 PM
Waterford p1ss poor today..
They only want to play Limerick twice.
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2022, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 15, 2022, 03:29:11 PM
Waterford p1ss poor today..
They only want to play Limerick twice.
They could be out, no longer in their hands
Is it head to head that counts then? So if waterford beat Clare and Cork beat Tipp they're both on 4 points so it goes on head to head?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
Is it head to head that counts then? So if waterford beat Clare and Cork beat Tipp they're both on 4 points so it goes on head to head?
Yes, Waterford out if Cork win as LK and Clare have 5 so can't end up on 4 points
Ouch. It's not even a given they'll beat Clare although I think Clare are into the final anyway so will slacken off a bit. Tipp would be more than happy to send Cork out so that game is far from a given either.
If tipp beat Cork by a big score and Clare do the same to Waterford then Tipp go through!!!!
Typical Waterford performance and like their supporters they gave up before the end of the game.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 15, 2022, 06:21:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2022, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 15, 2022, 03:29:11 PM
Waterford p1ss poor today..
They only want to play Limerick twice.
They could be out, no longer in their hands
Clare on 5 are already second. They play Clare next day
Quote from: didlyi on May 15, 2022, 07:13:31 PM
If tipp beat Cork by a big score and Clare do the same to Waterford then Tipp go through!!!!
Typical Waterford performance and like their supporters they gave up before the end of the game.
Oh - that makes it very interesting. Clare the only ones with nothing to play for.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 15, 2022, 10:35:44 AM
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Mayo have qualified for the Christy Ring final. Will it be on tv?
How many senior hurling clubs in Mayo?
Great achievement for them but Kildare will be too strong for them.
Does Keith Higgins still play?
There were 5 adult hurling clubs up till this year, then Ballina, Claremorris and Moytura based in Ballinrobe set up adult hurling clubs this year. The latter three had ones a few years ago too but folded again, it'll probably be always the way in Mayo. Ballyvary have an underage club and I don't know why they haven't a senior one, interest and numbers perhaps.
Higgins still plays and was playing yesterday too.
Great stuff with that amount of senior clubs.
Higgins is a legend.
How was limerick's goal not off the ground??
Tipp winning by 7 points is enough providing Clare beat Waterford but there's enough of an incentive there for the Tipp lads to really give Cork a rattle.
As for Cork, they finally had the toy dolls to put their hands up and catch the fúckin ball both ends of the field and then had a platform to get their running game going. Harnedy had some game and they'll need more of that from him and others.
Horgan's race has run, fine hurler but his inability to do the dirty work was his downfall yesterday, you can't afford passengers at this level and Cork kicked on when he left the fray but there won't be too much comment about that in the next week or so.
Waterford shít in the nest, their poorest performance in a while, maybe the defeat to Limerick too a bigger toll mentally than they thought, but no energy and poor decision making was their undoing. They need Tipp to get one over Cork now to proceed.
Gleesons double yellow sending off was probably merited although I do have a bit of sympathy with him on the second yellow, Downey was the aggressor and in those situations it's hard to walk away but once the ref was brandishing cards he was gone, it's always one yellow for both.
Clare v Limerick was a humdinger.
Clare have shown they can compete with Limerick and were full value for the draw, some fierce hits in that game and not an inch surrendered easily to the AI champions by their neighbours. Limerick will be content to be in a Munster final with a few reinforcements to come in to strengthen their hand. Byrnes is some player in the halfback line both from dead balls and open play. Not the star name the flows off the tongue in this team, but irreplaceable to them IMO.
Lohan will be happy to be in a Munster final with a game to spare, not in his wildest dreams would he have thought that in March. They'll take that whatever the result and build into the AI series.
Jesus, the Dubs lay down very meekly to the cats in the second half there on Saturday evening, a big concern for this team, but with Wexford imploding they might give Galway a go as they obviously don't fear them the same a hope to get into a Leinster final that way.
Wexford really need to turn up in Nowlan park, drawing with Westmeath is a blow but well done Westmeath for hanging in there when at times the game looked beyond them. 20+ wides in Cusack park is unreal. So all or nothing against the Cats to salvage something from this championship.
Bad day at the office for Wexford. I think free taking is a big problem for them.
Well done Westmeath. Great result and they've already won their league this year so they'll be delighted with their progress. In fairness, they had a decent start to their championship games this year as they were still in the games v KK etc. but run out of steam in the last 10 mins. The only thing now is Laois can still beat them in the last match as Laois have form for keeping their powder dry - but I still fancy Westmeath.
Waterford in bother. Cork need the consistency now. Big decisions for Kingston next week but I think Horgan will be an impact sub now I think. Connolly to start up top.
Dubs, like Cork, are very inconsistent but had no fight at all. KK are, well KK. You know what you get. T.J. back to his brilliant best. Adrian Mullan top notch around the middle third. KK have different players standing out at different times in different games.
What team will Lohan put out next week-end?
Should be a good last round next week-end.
Some crowd in Portlaoise for Leinster Minor Final.
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Some crowd in Portlaoise for Leinster Minor Final.
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Never seen the like of it for a stand alone provincial final.
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Some crowd in Portlaoise for Leinster Minor Final.
Some crowd alright. Great to see. Laois playing with the breeze but 2 points down at half-time.
Open enough game but a lot of frees.
Wexford stay alive with a good four point win over Kilkenny in Nowlan Park.
Good win for Wexford after a poor start earlier in Leinster.
Galway are improving
Kilkenny and Wexford have a better scoring difference.
That's what got them over the line.
Dublin miss out - disappointing end to their campaign after their win in Wexford Park.
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2022, 09:36:15 PM
Kilkenny and Wexford have a better scoring difference.
That's what got them over the line.
Dublin miss out - disappointing end to their campaign after their win in Wexford Park.
Wexford beat KK and drew with Galway
Dublin got no points from either.
Wexford deserve to.go through.
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2022, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2022, 09:36:15 PM
Kilkenny and Wexford have a better scoring difference.
That's what got them over the line.
Dublin miss out - disappointing end to their campaign after their win in Wexford Park.
Wexford beat KK and drew with Galway
Dublin got no points from either.
Wexford deserve to.go through.
But all 3 ended on 6 points.
Quote from: marty34 on May 22, 2022, 08:43:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2022, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2022, 09:36:15 PM
Kilkenny and Wexford have a better scoring difference.
That's what got them over the line.
Dublin miss out - disappointing end to their campaign after their win in Wexford Park.
Wexford beat KK and drew with Galway
Dublin got no points from either.
Wexford deserve to.go through.
But all 3 ended on 6 points.
The last day is always about scoring difference given the teams meet only once. Dublin know that. They were well beaten by both KK and Galway. That is guaranteed to hurt the scoring difference. I would say by at least 10 points.
Here are the numbers
The Dubs had a points difference of minus 23 against the top 2
Dubs vs KK -17
Vs Galway - 6
Total -23
Wexford had a points difference of +4
Wex vs KK +4
Vs Galway 0
Total 4
Net points difference between Dublin and Wexford -23-4 = -27.
This is where Aughrim was lost for the Dubs.
Good game there between Kilkenny and Limerick in the u20 final.
Tough one to lose that. Should the ref have played advantage when the Limerick boy was taken down with a minute to go but had managed to put it through for his team mate who was in for a goal?? I thought Kilkenny were marginally better mind you.
Jez Waterford have turned into a shit show
Tipp too. One of the worst tipp teams I have seen.
Tipp are dire today.
They are talking about their youth but their only good players were Maher, forde and McGrath.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 22, 2022, 05:37:38 PM
They are talking about their youth but their only good players were Maher, forde and McGrath.
Tipp have some good, young hurlers but they will need more time to bed in as the confidence is fragile and Cork went at them but it has to be said Tipp were having joy going direct in on Downey and Mark Kehoe, Kehoe had the better of proceedings resulting in an early goal and the penalty which hit the post, Cork subsequently went down the field and scored a goal themselves.
The wind went out of the Tipp sails and Cork trotted home at their ease.
Heffernan really needed to be standing on Lehanes toes, but was too far off most of the time, Lehane and Harnedy are now the key men in this Cork forward division.
Horgan on the other hand is now surplus to requirements. In the first half he hit one free, one 65, laid off one ball and got a point from play when Morgan ill advisedly tried to block a ball down to himself, was off balance to pick it up and left Horgan with a simple score. I was surprised to see him come out for the second half TBH. Cork need lads contributing more if they're to get a good run in the qualifiers. Wexford will make them work harder than that yesterday.
Clare gave some lads a run out yesterday and still put an awful Waterford away at ease. Maybe the Waterford lads knew the game was up, but to roll over and get their bellies tickled will irk Cahill as much as the result.
Peaking too early seems to be the excuse whereas Clare done nothing in the league to suggest they had this in their locker. How the tables have turned and if watching the Sunday game you'd be hard pressed to know who the Clare manager is as Davy certainly won't mention his name, but Lohan has a team who are physical, fast and skillful. I still think they can be a bit wasteful at the shooting at key times, but the Clare lads will relish a lash at Limerick and they'll still be underdogs, the way Lohan would like it to be.
Galway v KK will be another interesting battle. Wex put the blockers on big Wally, TJ and Cody, KK plan b is still work in progress. Galway will have to do the same and hope that Conor Whelan can make hay on Hugh Lawlor, no easy task.
50/50 battle there IMO.
I fancy Galway strongly after that KK performance, Kilkenny ran out of ideas and started doing route one stuff, food and drink for the Clare defence..
Kilkenny couldn't get a foothold in the game and when the tide went they had nothing to haul them back into contention..
Will hopefully be down for that final with Antrim playing beforehand, and maybe get to see a classic but feel Galway have more options and better players at the minute..
The Deise were number 2 with the bookies @9/2 on 25/4
Unbelievable, Jeff
McGrath taking some stick on twitter. He said earlier in the year(not that much either) that whoever beat Waterford would be walking the steps of the Hogan stand and now he says they got beat because of too much expectation ;D
Galway improving rightly with Conor Whelan a massive addition. KK will be a bit wounded I think so will be difficult enough to beat. I think Galway are maybe that bit better but when Cody fires up KK they are hard beat so that could be a good one.
Dublin took a disappointing turn this last few games. I suspect Kenny will bite the dust.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 10:02:56 AM
McGrath taking some stick on twitter. He said earlier in the year(not that much either) that whoever beat Waterford would be walking the steps of the Hogan stand and now he says they got beat because of too much expectation ;D
Galway improving rightly with Conor Whelan a massive addition. KK will be a bit wounded I think so will be difficult enough to beat. I think Galway are maybe that bit better but when Cody fires up KK they are hard beat so that could be a good one.
Dublin took a disappointing turn this last few games. I suspect Kenny will bite the dust.
Mc Grath likes the big fancy words - uses 20 when two or three would do. Great for the studio work.
Waterford were very disappointing alright. Never showed up, especially yesterday when they knew what they needed to do. No leadership at all - although De Burca and Barron left early. They'll have a long wait until they're in action again.
Not a great season for Tipperary but at least everyone knows there's a changing of the guard and it'll take a year or two. Had they scored the penalty, then who knows but Cork showed a bit more bite and will be happy to end up in third. Good draw for them now irrespective of who it is.
KK have work to do although their 2 losses were only by a combination of 5 pts. Good to get a crack at Galway in Croke Park.
Clare the standout team so far - having Duggan and O'Donnell back is some boost. Both offer so much, but in different ways. They'll be happy with the big score without TK.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 10:02:56 AM
McGrath taking some stick on twitter. He said earlier in the year(not that much either) that whoever beat Waterford would be walking the steps of the Hogan stand and now he says they got beat because of too much expectation ;D
Galway improving rightly with Conor Whelan a massive addition. KK will be a bit wounded I think so will be difficult enough to beat. I think Galway are maybe that bit better but when Cody fires up KK they are hard beat so that could be a good one.
Dublin took a disappointing turn this last few games. I suspect Kenny will bite the dust.
Wee Davy looked to be touting for that particular job last night.
Would they be mad enough to give it to him?
Joe Fortune could step in from Westmeath!!
Quote from: marty34 on May 23, 2022, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 10:02:56 AM
McGrath taking some stick on twitter. He said earlier in the year(not that much either) that whoever beat Waterford would be walking the steps of the Hogan stand and now he says they got beat because of too much expectation ;D
Galway improving rightly with Conor Whelan a massive addition. KK will be a bit wounded I think so will be difficult enough to beat. I think Galway are maybe that bit better but when Cody fires up KK they are hard beat so that could be a good one.
Dublin took a disappointing turn this last few games. I suspect Kenny will bite the dust.
Mc Grath likes the big fancy words - uses 20 when two or three would do. Great for the studio work.
Waterford were very disappointing alright. Never showed up, especially yesterday when they knew what they needed to do. No leadership at all - although De Burca and Barron left early. They'll have a long wait until they're in action again.
Not a great season for Tipperary but at least everyone knows there's a changing of the guard and it'll take a year or two. Had they scored the penalty, then who knows but Cork showed a bit more bite and will be happy to end up in third. Good draw for them now irrespective of who it is.
KK have work to do although their 2 losses were only by a combination of 5 pts. Good to get a crack at Galway in Croke Park.
Clare the standout team so far - having Duggan and O'Donnell back is some boost. Both offer so much, but in different ways. They'll be happy with the big score without TK.
I don't know how anyone works out what O'Donnell is going to do next because I don't think he knows himself ;D
I could see Davy going to the likes of Dublin ok. If he were available for Down would you want him??
Clare's upturns in fortunes make it interesting. Still think they'll fall short of Limerick.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 10:02:56 AM
McGrath taking some stick on twitter. He said earlier in the year(not that much either) that whoever beat Waterford would be walking the steps of the Hogan stand and now he says they got beat because of too much expectation ;D
Galway improving rightly with Conor Whelan a massive addition. KK will be a bit wounded I think so will be difficult enough to beat. I think Galway are maybe that bit better but when Cody fires up KK they are hard beat so that could be a good one.
Dublin took a disappointing turn this last few games. I suspect Kenny will bite the dust.
The standard was quite high in Leinster this year. Wexford with Lee Chin were quite handy. Dublin fell a bit short
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 10:02:56 AM
McGrath taking some stick on twitter. He said earlier in the year(not that much either) that whoever beat Waterford would be walking the steps of the Hogan stand and now he says they got beat because of too much expectation ;D
Galway improving rightly with Conor Whelan a massive addition. KK will be a bit wounded I think so will be difficult enough to beat. I think Galway are maybe that bit better but when Cody fires up KK they are hard beat so that could be a good one.
Dublin took a disappointing turn this last few games. I suspect Kenny will bite the dust.
Wee Davy looked to be touting for that particular job last night.
Would they be mad enough to give it to him?
Joe Fortune could step in from Westmeath!!
Dublin were disappointing this year - especially after beating Wexford in Wexford Park. Never seem to believe in themselves.
Were poor V Kilkenny and very sloppy V Galway on Saturday evening. Very reliant on Burke for their scores.
Re: Davy, a hamdier run to Dublin than to Wexford. I'd say he'll be eyeing up another county job over the winter. He's got a good rest, kept his eye in with the media work and is just mad for hurling.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 23, 2022, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 10:02:56 AM
McGrath taking some stick on twitter. He said earlier in the year(not that much either) that whoever beat Waterford would be walking the steps of the Hogan stand and now he says they got beat because of too much expectation ;D
Galway improving rightly with Conor Whelan a massive addition. KK will be a bit wounded I think so will be difficult enough to beat. I think Galway are maybe that bit better but when Cody fires up KK they are hard beat so that could be a good one.
Dublin took a disappointing turn this last few games. I suspect Kenny will bite the dust.
Mc Grath likes the big fancy words - uses 20 when two or three would do. Great for the studio work.
Waterford were very disappointing alright. Never showed up, especially yesterday when they knew what they needed to do. No leadership at all - although De Burca and Barron left early. They'll have a long wait until they're in action again.
Not a great season for Tipperary but at least everyone knows there's a changing of the guard and it'll take a year or two. Had they scored the penalty, then who knows but Cork showed a bit more bite and will be happy to end up in third. Good draw for them now irrespective of who it is.
KK have work to do although their 2 losses were only by a combination of 5 pts. Good to get a crack at Galway in Croke Park.
Clare the standout team so far - having Duggan and O'Donnell back is some boost. Both offer so much, but in different ways. They'll be happy with the big score without TK.
I don't know how anyone works out what O'Donnell is going to do next because I don't think he knows himself ;D
I could see Davy going to the likes of Dublin ok. If he were available for Down would you want him??
Clare's upturns in fortunes make it interesting. Still think they'll fall short of Limerick.
We couldn't afford him, we'll be spunking all our money on a new football manager in the next week or two, plus his Social Media game isn't as good as our current manager.
He's done well Sheehan and he's pretty vocal too but seems dead on despite that ;D
Very few of us could afford him. I was just wondering in the hypothetical.
I don't know where Dublin go from here. They just seem to struggle to breakthrough and have got to a level below the big teams but can't push on. They're far too strong for the mcdonagh too so are in limbo.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 11:43:07 AM
He's done well Sheehan and he's pretty vocal too but seems dead on despite that ;D
Very few of us could afford him. I was just wondering in the hypothetical.
I don't know where Dublin go from here. They just seem to struggle to breakthrough and have got to a level below the big teams but can't push on. They're far too strong for the mcdonagh too so are in limbo.
Dubs are a comfortable Leinster championship team who currently are a step up on WM, Laois and Offaly.
Will they ever get beyond a third birth spot I don't know as firepower is their undoing, Con O'Callaghan could help in that regard but it's not going to happen.
Serious hurler is Con.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 11:43:07 AM
He's done well Sheehan and he's pretty vocal too but seems dead on despite that ;D
Very few of us could afford him. I was just wondering in the hypothetical.
I don't know where Dublin go from here. They just seem to struggle to breakthrough and have got to a level below the big teams but can't push on. They're far too strong for the mcdonagh too so are in limbo.
Dubs are a comfortable Leinster championship team who currently are a step up on WM, Laois and Offaly.
Will they ever get beyond a third birth spot I don't know as firepower is their undoing, Con O'Callaghan could help in that regard but it's not going to happen.
Serious hurler is Con.
Was going to mention that football is their current undoing with regards to having their potentially best players
I see Kerry hurlers are travelling up and down, to Croke Park on the same day, for the Joe Mc Donagh Final.
They tried to book rooms in and around Dublin but crazy prices for their group.
Hotels making up for Covid now!!!
Hotels full of Ukrainians, no?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 11:43:07 AM
He's done well Sheehan and he's pretty vocal too but seems dead on despite that ;D
Very few of us could afford him. I was just wondering in the hypothetical.
I don't know where Dublin go from here. They just seem to struggle to breakthrough and have got to a level below the big teams but can't push on. They're far too strong for the mcdonagh too so are in limbo.
Same as any other mid ranking county. They need a few decent players to come together and drive the team on. There is no God given right unless for the Dublin footballers.
The two provincial finals and the McDonagh Cup up for grabs this weekend.
Whilst I think Galway are the better team only a fool would write Kilkenny off in a Leinster final and with a semi-final berth at stake I'm divided on this one....
Kilkenny by an Eoin Cody goal.
Limerick and the wee neighbours Clare go at it again on Sunday, Limerick will believe that with a fuller deck of players they'll pull away but Clare have proven they're a resilient team and will give LM their fill of it any which way they want it.
I'd like to see Clare win it and they'll need goals from Duggan and Co but it's hard to look by a seasoned Limerick whose discipline will be very much tested and under the spotlight this weekend.
Antrim v Kerry in the Joe McDonagh, the Down lads i talked to very much fancy Antrim to win well but Kerry seem to be improving every game, so won't or shouldn't be underestimated, but Antrim I'd go with.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 01, 2022, 08:16:07 AM
The two provincial finals and the McDonagh Cup up for grabs this weekend.
Whilst I think Galway are the better team only a fool would write Kilkenny off in a Leinster final and with a semi-final berth at stake I'm divided on this one....
Kilkenny by an Eoin Cody goal.
Limerick and the wee neighbours Clare go at it again on Sunday, Limerick will believe that with a fuller deck of players they'll pull away but Clare have proven they're a resilient team and will give LM their fill of it any which way they want it.
I'd like to see Clare win it and they'll need goals from Duggan and Co but it's hard to look by a seasoned Limerick whose discipline will be very much tested and under the spotlight this weekend.
Antrim v Kerry in the Joe McDonagh, the Down lads i talked to very much fancy Antrim to win well but Kerry seem to be improving every game, so won't or shouldn't be underestimated, but Antrim I'd go with.
Galway have been improving. I think they have more kick in them than KK.
Muster final very interesting. Are Limerick in decline or can they turn on the afterburners? Clare look like the coming team unless they get an unmerciful hammering.
Antrim should be good enough to win.
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2022, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 01, 2022, 08:16:07 AM
The two provincial finals and the McDonagh Cup up for grabs this weekend.
Whilst I think Galway are the better team only a fool would write Kilkenny off in a Leinster final and with a semi-final berth at stake I'm divided on this one....
Kilkenny by an Eoin Cody goal.
Limerick and the wee neighbours Clare go at it again on Sunday, Limerick will believe that with a fuller deck of players they'll pull away but Clare have proven they're a resilient team and will give LM their fill of it any which way they want it.
I'd like to see Clare win it and they'll need goals from Duggan and Co but it's hard to look by a seasoned Limerick whose discipline will be very much tested and under the spotlight this weekend.
Antrim v Kerry in the Joe McDonagh, the Down lads i talked to very much fancy Antrim to win well but Kerry seem to be improving every game, so won't or shouldn't be underestimated, but Antrim I'd go with.
Galway have been improving. I think they have more kick in them than KK.
Muster final very interesting. Are Limerick in decline or can they turn on the afterburners? Clare look like the coming team unless they get an unmerciful hammering.
Antrim should be good enough to win.
I'd agree with that in general but even poor Kilkenny teams have a knack of winning Leinster titles and Galway you're never too sure if they'll turn up.
Limerick aren't on the wane, they're still unbeaten with injuries to big players throughout that time and will probably get stronger post Sunday with Lynch due back, but Clare have been building, lets not forget they really should have beaten Cork in the Quarter final last year only for Tony Kelly of all people to hit a poor shot at Patrick Collins right at the death and with O'Donnell and Duggan adding a lot more bite in their forwards. Clare will probably get beat on Sunday but their summer is far from over IMO.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 01, 2022, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2022, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 01, 2022, 08:16:07 AM
The two provincial finals and the McDonagh Cup up for grabs this weekend.
Whilst I think Galway are the better team only a fool would write Kilkenny off in a Leinster final and with a semi-final berth at stake I'm divided on this one....
Kilkenny by an Eoin Cody goal.
Limerick and the wee neighbours Clare go at it again on Sunday, Limerick will believe that with a fuller deck of players they'll pull away but Clare have proven they're a resilient team and will give LM their fill of it any which way they want it.
I'd like to see Clare win it and they'll need goals from Duggan and Co but it's hard to look by a seasoned Limerick whose discipline will be very much tested and under the spotlight this weekend.
Antrim v Kerry in the Joe McDonagh, the Down lads i talked to very much fancy Antrim to win well but Kerry seem to be improving every game, so won't or shouldn't be underestimated, but Antrim I'd go with.
Galway have been improving. I think they have more kick in them than KK.
Muster final very interesting. Are Limerick in decline or can they turn on the afterburners? Clare look like the coming team unless they get an unmerciful hammering.
Antrim should be good enough to win.
I'd agree with that in general but even poor Kilkenny teams have a knack of winning Leinster titles and Galway you're never too sure if they'll turn up.
Limerick aren't on the wane, they're still unbeaten with injuries to big players throughout that time and will probably get stronger post Sunday with Lynch due back, but Clare have been building, lets not forget they really should have beaten Cork in the Quarter final last year only for Tony Kelly of all people to hit a poor shot at Patrick Collins right at the death and with O'Donnell and Duggan adding a lot more bite in their forwards. Clare will probably get beat on Sunday but their summer is far from over IMO.
Cian Lynch won't be back as per statement from Limerick CB
"On Saturday evening last Cian sustained a hamstring injury and will now undergo a period of rehabilitation under the supervision of our medical team. As a result, Cian will not have any further involvement in this year's Munster hurling championship.
"No further comment will be made regarding Cian's injury at this time. We wish Cian a very speedy recovery and look forward to seeing him back playing again in the very near future."
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2022, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 01, 2022, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2022, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 01, 2022, 08:16:07 AM
The two provincial finals and the McDonagh Cup up for grabs this weekend.
Whilst I think Galway are the better team only a fool would write Kilkenny off in a Leinster final and with a semi-final berth at stake I'm divided on this one....
Kilkenny by an Eoin Cody goal.
Limerick and the wee neighbours Clare go at it again on Sunday, Limerick will believe that with a fuller deck of players they'll pull away but Clare have proven they're a resilient team and will give LM their fill of it any which way they want it.
I'd like to see Clare win it and they'll need goals from Duggan and Co but it's hard to look by a seasoned Limerick whose discipline will be very much tested and under the spotlight this weekend.
Antrim v Kerry in the Joe McDonagh, the Down lads i talked to very much fancy Antrim to win well but Kerry seem to be improving every game, so won't or shouldn't be underestimated, but Antrim I'd go with.
Galway have been improving. I think they have more kick in them than KK.
Muster final very interesting. Are Limerick in decline or can they turn on the afterburners? Clare look like the coming team unless they get an unmerciful hammering.
Antrim should be good enough to win.
I'd agree with that in general but even poor Kilkenny teams have a knack of winning Leinster titles and Galway you're never too sure if they'll turn up.
Limerick aren't on the wane, they're still unbeaten with injuries to big players throughout that time and will probably get stronger post Sunday with Lynch due back, but Clare have been building, lets not forget they really should have beaten Cork in the Quarter final last year only for Tony Kelly of all people to hit a poor shot at Patrick Collins right at the death and with O'Donnell and Duggan adding a lot more bite in their forwards. Clare will probably get beat on Sunday but their summer is far from over IMO.
Cian Lynch won't be back as per statement from Limerick CB
"On Saturday evening last Cian sustained a hamstring injury and will now undergo a period of rehabilitation under the supervision of our medical team. As a result, Cian will not have any further involvement in this year's Munster hurling championship.
"No further comment will be made regarding Cian's injury at this time. We wish Cian a very speedy recovery and look forward to seeing him back playing again in the very near future."
I think JC said 'post Sunday' i.e. the next game.
Galway V KK will be interesting. All the media focus will be on the side-line. KK need to get better into Eoin Cody if they are to stand a chance. I'm not 100% convinced about their puckouts and what they're trying to do.
I was in Salthill and they stuck to their short passing game, even though Deegan and Murphy got caught out a few times. I liked the way they stuck at it but against Wexford the last time out, the route one was used time and time again. So I'm not convinced on what their game plan is.
Galway are going well - Tom Monaghan really a good find in mid-field. Whealan still the go to man and Cooney gets through a lot of work. What's the chances of Fintan Burke hitting a few scores from sidelines in Croker?
Clare have impressed me this year. Took it easy in the league but have surprised a lot of people in the championship. Give TK a free role and let him roam. Shane O'Donnell really good in the loose at half-forward. He can win any sort of ball. The out ball with Duggan is always on so it'll be interesting.
It'll be interesting to see if Limerick get any cards and will Clare thunder into Hegarty and Gillane. Calre can't give any frees away with Byrnes in POTY form at the minute. Fancy Limerick - hard to look past them.
Antrim should lift the Joe Mc Donagh but I wouldn't write off Kerry. Fionán Mackessy is one to look out for - a gifted hurler who'll cause Antrim problems from, I presume, half-back.
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The two provincial finals and the McDonagh Cup up for grabs this weekend.
Whilst I think Galway are the better team only a fool would write Kilkenny off in a Leinster final and with a semi-final berth at stake I'm divided on this one....
Kilkenny by an Eoin Cody goal.
Limerick and the wee neighbours Clare go at it again on Sunday, Limerick will believe that with a fuller deck of players they'll pull away but Clare have proven they're a resilient team and will give LM their fill of it any which way they want it.
I'd like to see Clare win it and they'll need goals from Duggan and Co but it's hard to look by a seasoned Limerick whose discipline will be very much tested and under the spotlight this weekend.
Antrim v Kerry in the Joe McDonagh, the Down lads i talked to very much fancy Antrim to win well but Kerry seem to be improving every game, so won't or shouldn't be underestimated, but Antrim I'd go with.
Galway have been improving. I think they have more kick in them than KK.
Muster final very interesting. Are Limerick in decline or can they turn on the afterburners? Clare look like the coming team unless they get an unmerciful hammering.
Antrim should be good enough to win.
I'd agree with that in general but even poor Kilkenny teams have a knack of winning Leinster titles and Galway you're never too sure if they'll turn up.
Limerick aren't on the wane, they're still unbeaten with injuries to big players throughout that time and will probably get stronger post Sunday with Lynch due back, but Clare have been building, lets not forget they really should have beaten Cork in the Quarter final last year only for Tony Kelly of all people to hit a poor shot at Patrick Collins right at the death and with O'Donnell and Duggan adding a lot more bite in their forwards. Clare will probably get beat on Sunday but their summer is far from over IMO.
Cian Lynch won't be back as per statement from Limerick CB
"On Saturday evening last Cian sustained a hamstring injury and will now undergo a period of rehabilitation under the supervision of our medical team. As a result, Cian will not have any further involvement in this year's Munster hurling championship.
"No further comment will be made regarding Cian's injury at this time. We wish Cian a very speedy recovery and look forward to seeing him back playing again in the very near future."
I think JC said 'post Sunday' i.e. the next game.
Galway V KK will be interesting. All the media focus will be on the side-line. KK need to get better into Eoin Cody if they are to stand a chance. I'm not 100% convinced about their puckouts and what they're trying to do.
I was in Salthill and they stuck to their short passing game, even though Deegan and Murphy got caught out a few times. I liked the way they stuck at it but against Wexford the last time out, the route one was used time and time again. So I'm not convinced on what their game plan is.
Galway are going well - Tom Monaghan really a good find in mid-field. Whealan still the go to man and Cooney gets through a lot of work. What's the chances of Fintan Burke hitting a few scores from sidelines in Croker?
Clare have impressed me this year. Took it easy in the league but have surprised a lot of people in the championship. Give TK a free role and let him roam. Shane O'Donnell really good in the loose at half-forward. He can win any sort of ball. The out ball with Duggan is always on so it'll be interesting.
It'll be interesting to see if Limerick get any cards and will Clare thunder into Hegarty and Gillane. Calre can't give any frees away with Byrnes in POTY form at the minute. Fancy Limerick - hard to look past them.
Antrim should lift the Joe Mc Donagh but I wouldn't write off Kerry. Fionán Mackessy is one to look out for - a gifted hurler who'll cause Antrim problems from, I presume, half-back.
I certainly did as if Limerick win on Sunday they've a three week break till their next outing.
Wexford backs and sweeper/deep lying midfielder ate up that high ball in on top of Wally and TJ, McInerney and Burke will need to do the same and make KK play that uncomfortable "through the lines" stuff and turn them over. Lawlor is a fine fullback but did struggle with the introduction of Whelan in Salthill, I'm not so sure about their centre back though, think it was Richie Reid vrs Wexford, not a dominant player, will do a job, Deegans looks a fine bull of a man, but striking looks laboured for this level.
Midfield was won by Galway the last day out, but it was still a 1 point game. It'll be interesting with the losing team possibly looking at Cork (no offence to Antrim or Kerry) in a quarterfinal.. Much at stake.
Galway with a bit to spare 4 points
Limerick will get over the line, just 1 point
Antrim by 4 and if they lose it's on purpose ;)
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Galway with a bit to spare 4 points
Limerick will get over the line, just 1 point
Antrim by 4 and if they lose it's on purpose ;)
Getting a bit of holiday money gathered up? ;)
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Galway with a bit to spare 4 points
Limerick will get over the line, just 1 point
Antrim by 4 and if they lose it's on purpose ;)
Getting a bit of holiday money gathered up? ;)
I'd say on who'd they prefer to play!!
It's a tough game for both teams after this playing Cork or Wexford... who would you choose?
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Galway with a bit to spare 4 points
Limerick will get over the line, just 1 point
Antrim by 4 and if they lose it's on purpose ;)
Getting a bit of holiday money gathered up? ;)
I'd say on who'd they prefer to play!!
It's a tough game for both teams after this playing Cork or Wexford... who would you choose?
Not sure why people think Wexford would be mush easier, drew with Galway & beat Kilkenny.
Tbh I doubt it matters. Beating Kerry is the only thing that matters.
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Galway with a bit to spare 4 points
Limerick will get over the line, just 1 point
Antrim by 4 and if they lose it's on purpose ;)
Getting a bit of holiday money gathered up? ;)
I'd say on who'd they prefer to play!!
It's a tough game for both teams after this playing Cork or Wexford... who would you choose?
Not sure why people think Wexford would be mush easier, drew with Galway & beat Kilkenny.
I said it be tough either team... we've played well against Wexford, I can't remember the last game we played well against Cork..
Cody still winning Leinster titles, 3rd in a row and 18 in total as manager. Poor quality final Galway never looked like winning it.
Galway hugely disappointing. Kilkenny just fight for absolutely everything. If you're not up for the fight you stand no chance ability or not.
Shefflin still waiting at the dugout for a handshake from Coady!
Poor game. When will players learn that spare hand pulling and dragging for all to see results in a free. Galway gave Tj every chance to win the game for KK.
Shocking Galway "performance". Out fought and out thought through-out the game. Got increasingly aimless the more the game wore on. Cant see either of those teams troubling Limerick and possibly 1 or 2 others.
Wasn't a very exciting Leinster final and I can't see either side getting within 10 points of Limerick.
Cody had the last laugh tonight but he comes across as a real dictator.
Apparently he said a few things about Shefflin in the changing room after been beat the last day. Not sure how Cody think it stay under wraps with Ballyhale men in the team.
God what happened to hurling, whoever tinkered with the rules has turned a wonderful game into a free ridden shit show, with players aware that any time they take contact, they will get a free.
How many scores came from frees today v the Leinster final 3 or 5 years ago.
Cheers to rules committee for messing up a wonderful sport.
hurling needs to get rid of provincial championships linked to all Ireland play them in January if you want to but seeing the same match ups every spring/summer is getting stale nobody wants to see galway v kilkenny for the 100th time
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hurling needs to get rid of provincial championships linked to all Ireland play them in January if you want to but seeing the same match ups every spring/summer is getting stale nobody wants to see galway v kilkenny for the 100th time
Not sure Galway v Kilkenny is the best example of a stale fixture
Would expect Limerick to win well here. Going for 4 in a row in Munster.
Some equaliser there. Cracking game.
Clare are a match for Limerick. They have now had 3 draws this year.
Two teams going at it.
Fantastic game.
Ref let it go.
Kelly is some operator.
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Two teams going at it.
Fantastic game.
Ref let it go.
Kelly is some operator.
Agreed unlike yesterday.
credit to both teams
FT Limerick 1-28 Clare 0-29. Great game, Limerick showed in extra why they are the best team around.
Clare still have work to do.
You need goals to have any chance of beating Limerick
If Shane O Donnell had gone for a point instead of a goal attempt that was blocked in the second half we might have had new Munster champions tonight.
Don't know. He could have laid it off, maybe, but I thought Clare needed a goal at that time, so I wouldn't blame him for going for it.
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Poor game. When will players learn that spare hand pulling and dragging for all to see results in a free. Galway gave Tj every chance to win the game for KK.
On first viewing I thought Owens was giving Kilkenny the handier frees and Galway lads had a lot more to do to earn theirs, but I have to say there's a lot more cuteness in Kilkenny tackling/half fouls whereas Galway were more blatant.
Kilkenny turn up and go out and do whatever it takes to win, yes they're a more limited team than what we're used to but they do what it says on the Kilkenny tin. Galway were a bit more tenative and weren't ruthless enough, left two goals behind them due to poor last balls in, one into whelans feet rather than to hand and the other too far in front of Fahy leaving no angle to work with and easily closed down by Murphy in the Galway net.
Those go in and we have a different game.
But they didn't and that's why Galway are looking at in all probability Cork, which could go either way, no offence to Antrim in Corrigan.
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Clare still have work to do.
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Considering that no one gave them a puff of a chance to come out of Munster and were probably favourites to be bottom of the group I'd say they've done loads already and depending on how they recover mentally they will take some beating in 2022.
They have a steeliness that only Limerick going full on can better and TBH I'd have said Limerick will canter to an AI this year, they've drawn with Clare in the round robin and had to go to extra time yesterday.
Clare should fear no one else left in the competition and will hope to get another go at Limerick.
5'10" Tony Kelly was the best player on the pitch in a game meant to be dominated by giants of men that's heartening to see, his tracking back to hook and then rob Hegarty, take off down the field to score a great point off the hurl at full tilt is probably only slightly ahead of the Hegarty goal with his own piece of sublime skill.
A joy of a game to watch.
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Poor game. When will players learn that spare hand pulling and dragging for all to see results in a free. Galway gave Tj every chance to win the game for KK.
On first viewing I thought Owens was giving Kilkenny the handier frees and Galway lads had a lot more to do to earn theirs, but I have to say there's a lot more cuteness in Kilkenny tackling/half fouls whereas Galway were more blatant.
Kilkenny turn up and go out and do whatever it takes to win, yes they're a more limited team than what we're used to but they do what it says on the Kilkenny tin. Galway were a bit more tenative and weren't ruthless enough, left two goals behind them due to poor last balls in, one into whelans feet rather than to hand and the other too far in front of Fahy leaving no angle to work with and easily closed down by Murphy in the Galway net.
Those go in and we have a different game.
But they didn't and that's why Galway are looking at in all probability Cork, which could go either way, no offence to Antrim in Corrigan.
I think Whelan needed attempted GBH on him to get a free ;D
Yeah Clare still have work to do is quite a take after that performance. That Kelly sideline ball was unbelievable. Under that pressure, from that angle at that time in a game. I don't know I've ever seen another hurler who could do that. Credit to Lohan who is making some job of Clare. I am not sure Davy will be happy.
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Poor game. When will players learn that spare hand pulling and dragging for all to see results in a free. Galway gave Tj every chance to win the game for KK.
On first viewing I thought Owens was giving Kilkenny the handier frees and Galway lads had a lot more to do to earn theirs, but I have to say there's a lot more cuteness in Kilkenny tackling/half fouls whereas Galway were more blatant.
Kilkenny turn up and go out and do whatever it takes to win, yes they're a more limited team than what we're used to but they do what it says on the Kilkenny tin. Galway were a bit more tenative and weren't ruthless enough, left two goals behind them due to poor last balls in, one into whelans feet rather than to hand and the other too far in front of Fahy leaving no angle to work with and easily closed down by Murphy in the Galway net.
Those go in and we have a different game.
But they didn't and that's why Galway are looking at in all probability Cork, which could go either way, no offence to Antrim in Corrigan.
I think Whelan needed attempted GBH on him to get a free ;D
Yeah Clare still have work to do is quite a take after that performance. That Kelly sideline ball was unbelievable. Under that pressure, from that angle at that time in a game. I don't know I've ever seen another hurler who could do that. Credit to Lohan who is making some job of Clare. I am not sure Davy will be happy.
Good point. Lohan doing a great job with Clare, considering what was happening behind the scenes a few years ago.
Lohan has changed things up - Conlon at No. 6, Fitzgerald to mid-field and Duggan back in as well as introducing a few young lads.
I think Lawlor at full-back is a great player - solid and very Cody like. No fuss No. 3. I think he is seriously under-rated. He had a real good battle with Whelan. Although Whelan got 3 or 4 pts, Lawlor did really well, especially in the second half.
Whelan got his first point on the side-line, around the 21. Lawlordid everything right but Whelan put some spin on it to get it over the bar from the tighest of angles. A magic score.
Whelan's only fault on Saturday evening was he fouled Lawlor, in each half, in the corners. Bad frees to give away when Lawlor had nowhere to go.
Game never really took off. Small crowd and game never gave the supporters anything to shout about. 7pm not a great time on a Saturday evening. Maybe Portlaois or Tullamore would've suited better.
T.J. only about 35 pts (I think) behinh Pat Horgan now so with Horgan not certain of starting and T.J. having another game, I'm sure he'll close that gap further over the next few weeks.
Whether he's back next year, who knows but I can't see him not stopping now. He's still some operator - made a super catch in the second half.
Galway were disappointing. Never got going and players who were going really well, never got going at all e.g. Tom Monaghan and Brian Concannon etc. Kilkenny do what Kilkenny do.
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Poor game. When will players learn that spare hand pulling and dragging for all to see results in a free. Galway gave Tj every chance to win the game for KK.
On first viewing I thought Owens was giving Kilkenny the handier frees and Galway lads had a lot more to do to earn theirs, but I have to say there's a lot more cuteness in Kilkenny tackling/half fouls whereas Galway were more blatant.
Kilkenny turn up and go out and do whatever it takes to win, yes they're a more limited team than what we're used to but they do what it says on the Kilkenny tin. Galway were a bit more tenative and weren't ruthless enough, left two goals behind them due to poor last balls in, one into whelans feet rather than to hand and the other too far in front of Fahy leaving no angle to work with and easily closed down by Murphy in the Galway net.
Those go in and we have a different game.
But they didn't and that's why Galway are looking at in all probability Cork, which could go either way, no offence to Antrim in Corrigan.
I think Whelan needed attempted GBH on him to get a free ;D
Yeah Clare still have work to do is quite a take after that performance. That Kelly sideline ball was unbelievable. Under that pressure, from that angle at that time in a game. I don't know I've ever seen another hurler who could do that. Credit to Lohan who is making some job of Clare. I am not sure Davy will be happy.
Don't you know Davy worked with some of these lads, a glass of MiWadi can work wonders in Davy's front room.
When you look at what went on behind the scenes to ensure Lohan didn't get the job a few years back then it makes you wonder why his face didn't fit and I know all about the Fitzgibbon game, but whatever else has went on runs deep down there.
Clare play to their strengths and will bring on a few young lads to bolster the panel but it's the here and now for them IMO, not winning yesterday will cut deep and only an AI will sate Lohans thirst.
Getting Wexford gives them a chance to go a step further and they should win that one, but heads need to be right.
I thought Galway were very poor Marty and would agree on the KK full back. Galway just don't have a threatening set of forwards at all. I think it is pace - none of them, Whelan aside, seem to set the world alight with their pace. Whelan still on his way back to fitness too. They still have some great operators further back but the forwards just don't have it I don't think. The question is does Henry have it?
Yeah Clare and Lohan / Fitzgerald a mess of a situation. I suspect it impacts his ability to do impartial analysis a fair bit too. Wonder what RTE think of that.
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I thought Galway were very poor Marty and would agree on the KK full back. Galway just don't have a threatening set of forwards at all. I think it is pace - none of them, Whelan aside, seem to set the world alight with their pace. Whelan still on his way back to fitness too. They still have some great operators further back but the forwards just don't have it I don't think. The question is does Henry have it?
Yeah Clare and Lohan / Fitzgerald a mess of a situation. I suspect it impacts his ability to do impartial analysis a fair bit too. Wonder what RTE think of that.
gotta remember who's full time secretary in Clare and how Lohan has had to fight for resources for the senior hurlers, so much so a new fundraising group was set up due to lack of support from said CB.
When all that is taken into account Lohan has done some job.
Fantastic.
I was reading a few interesting threads on twitter wrt Tony Kelly. Some have him down as borderline the greatest ever and then there are some who have him down as not a team player and how dare he go for that sideline cut at the end with so much at stake. The minority are the not a team player ones. I know he scores a lot himself but I would have thought he was fine in terms of being a team player.
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Fantastic.
I was reading a few interesting threads on twitter wrt Tony Kelly. Some have him down as borderline the greatest ever and then there are some who have him down as not a team player and how dare he go for that sideline cut at the end with so much at stake. The minority are the not a team player ones. I know he scores a lot himself but I would have thought he was fine in terms of being a team player.
He handed over his free taking duties during the game, and this a man who never misses.. not many would do that
Tony pointed a sideline similar to Sunday during the 2018 semi final v Galway. Almost the same angle and same side. He knew it was in his locker to point it. Ridiculous to suggest he is not a team player. There has been 3 or 4 example in the last few games where he elected to pass where he should have taken on the score himself.
The 'not a team player' brigade are the type that would start an argument in an empty room. The majority rightly have him labelled as one of the greatest ever.
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Fantastic.
I was reading a few interesting threads on twitter wrt Tony Kelly. Some have him down as borderline the greatest ever and then there are some who have him down as not a team player and how dare he go for that sideline cut at the end with so much at stake. The minority are the not a team player ones. I know he scores a lot himself but I would have thought he was fine in terms of being a team player.
Certainly he was accused of that in years gone by, including not tracking back etc etc, but the wonder point he scored had him hooking Hegarty on his own 65 before carrying it up the field to score off the hurl dispels that myth for me.
Lohan wouldn't tolerate passengers on his team and Kelly knows that.
Love him as a hurler, skill, speed, balance, jinky, accurate, what more can you ask?
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Fantastic.
I was reading a few interesting threads on twitter wrt Tony Kelly. Some have him down as borderline the greatest ever and then there are some who have him down as not a team player and how dare he go for that sideline cut at the end with so much at stake. The minority are the not a team player ones. I know he scores a lot himself but I would have thought he was fine in terms of being a team player.
Certainly he was accused of that in years gone by, including not tracking back etc etc, but the wonder point he scored had him hooking Hegarty on his own 65 before carrying it up the field to score off the hurl dispels that myth for me.
Lohan wouldn't tolerate passengers on his team and Kelly knows that.
Love him as a hurler, skill, speed, balance, jinky, accurate, what more can you ask?
One of the greatest ever, that point had everything
Yeah I would agree and I guess that you will get complainers about everything.
The only other player ever I have seen that I think could have scored that point was Joe Canning.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 10:42:17 AM
Fantastic.
I was reading a few interesting threads on twitter wrt Tony Kelly. Some have him down as borderline the greatest ever and then there are some who have him down as not a team player and how dare he go for that sideline cut at the end with so much at stake. The minority are the not a team player ones. I know he scores a lot himself but I would have thought he was fine in terms of being a team player.
Certainly he was accused of that in years gone by, including not tracking back etc etc, but the wonder point he scored had him hooking Hegarty on his own 65 before carrying it up the field to score off the hurl dispels that myth for me.
Lohan wouldn't tolerate passengers on his team and Kelly knows that.
Love him as a hurler, skill, speed, balance, jinky, accurate, what more can you ask?
Key thing is, for all the power and muscle nowadays, there's always room for a TK or Shane O'Donnell etc.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 10:42:17 AM
Fantastic.
I was reading a few interesting threads on twitter wrt Tony Kelly. Some have him down as borderline the greatest ever and then there are some who have him down as not a team player and how dare he go for that sideline cut at the end with so much at stake. The minority are the not a team player ones. I know he scores a lot himself but I would have thought he was fine in terms of being a team player.
Certainly he was accused of that in years gone by, including not tracking back etc etc, but the wonder point he scored had him hooking Hegarty on his own 65 before carrying it up the field to score off the hurl dispels that myth for me.
Lohan wouldn't tolerate passengers on his team and Kelly knows that.
Love him as a hurler, skill, speed, balance, jinky, accurate, what more can you ask?
Key thing is, for all the power and muscle nowadays, there's always room for a TK or Shane O'Donnell etc.
One of the reasons I like Kelly although the free reign he's got with Clare makes him harder to manhandle, O'Donnell struggled with the liberal refereeing on Sunday and was getting visibly frustrated.
2022 All-Ireland senior hurling fixtures
11-12 June – Preliminary quarter-finals
Antrim v Cork
Kerry v Wexford
18 June – Quarter-finals
Galway v Antrim/Cork
Clare v Kerry/Wexford
2-3 July – Semi-finals
Kilkenny and Limerick both through.
17 July – Final
Struggling with the Cork v Galway quarter-final.
I'm expecting a kick from Galway to see how genuine this Cork change of performance is with Waterford downing tools and Tipp also not at this level, it might be a false dawn for Cork, but Galway need to show up which they didn't do vrs Kilkenny
Fancy Clare to be too strong for Wexford who need to produce that type of performance they did against Kilkenny to have a chance. Was that performance the exception rather than the rule?
Both the Antrim and Kerry games on paper look like a hammering session.. the bookies have it 13 points...
Hoping Kerry start better next day out, though Wexford will be looking to restart their campaign while Cork can be hit and miss, hopefully the latter.
Antrim giving Cork everything they want so far. Level going into ht.
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Antrim giving Cork everything they want so far. Level going into ht.
They're actually up by 1.
Missed the last free... will they have the legs to keep up in the second half though?
Good effort. Cork with just a little bit more class about the place. Scores much easier to come by for likes of Lehane and O'Flynn. Meanwhile Antrim struggled to get likes of McManus or Nugent into it really at all.
Quote from: gallsman on June 11, 2022, 03:30:29 PM
Good effort. Cork with just a little bit more class about the place. Scores much easier to come by for likes of Lehane and O'Flynn. Meanwhile Antrim struggled to get likes of McManus or Nugent into it really at all.
Unfortunately Nugent isn't up to it, no mobility at all
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 11, 2022, 04:12:56 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 11, 2022, 03:30:29 PM
Good effort. Cork with just a little bit more class about the place. Scores much easier to come by for likes of Lehane and O'Flynn. Meanwhile Antrim struggled to get likes of McManus or Nugent into it really at all.
Unfortunately Nugent isn't up to it, no mobility at all
It's always been his issue , made big efforts to lose bulk but not naturally built for hurling at this level.
Aye but if using him you've at least to try and play to his strengths and put a few balls in on him.
Hayes and Duggan of Clare looking at a one match ban and Fahy of Galway looking at a two game ban after retrospective review of the games (on the Sunday Game ;) )
Where will it all end?
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2022, 11:23:59 AM
Hayes and Duggan of Clare looking at a one match ban and Fahy of Galway looking at a two game ban after retrospective review of the games (on the Sunday Game ;) )
Where will it all end?
At the CCCC midweek probably, with Feargal Logan getting a phone call
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2022, 11:23:59 AM
Hayes and Duggan of Clare looking at a one match ban and Fahy of Galway looking at a two game ban after retrospective review of the games (on the Sunday Game ;) )
Where will it all end?
Honestly the GAA should rid themselves of listening to the pundits on the Sunday game, they have their own review panel and CCC. It just makes them look stupid when these things are overturned
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2022, 11:23:59 AM
Hayes and Duggan of Clare looking at a one match ban and Fahy of Galway looking at a two game ban after retrospective review of the games (on the Sunday Game ;) )
Where will it all end?
All this brought up by the Cork man on TSG I think...now it's coming into 'law'. Not sure how they can do it.
How many incidents can they review? Can they go back over everything?
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2022, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2022, 11:23:59 AM
Hayes and Duggan of Clare looking at a one match ban and Fahy of Galway looking at a two game ban after retrospective review of the games (on the Sunday Game ;) )
Where will it all end?
All this brought up by the Cork man on TSG I think...now it's coming into 'law'. Not sure how they can do it.
How many incidents can they review? Can they go back over everything?
Cork man? It was a Limerick man and a Tipp man plus there was footage of Seamus Flanagan putting one of the Clare lads in a headlock and throwing him to the ground off the ball which wasn't aired that has a little stink of hypocrisy about it.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2022, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2022, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2022, 11:23:59 AM
Hayes and Duggan of Clare looking at a one match ban and Fahy of Galway looking at a two game ban after retrospective review of the games (on the Sunday Game ;) )
Where will it all end?
All this brought up by the Cork man on TSG I think...now it's coming into 'law'. Not sure how they can do it.
How many incidents can they review? Can they go back over everything?
Cork man? It was a Limerick man and a Tipp man plus there was footage of Seamus Flanagan putting one of the Clare lads in a headlock and throwing him to the ground off the ball which wasn't aired that has a little stink of hypocrisy about it.
Was Donal Óg not always picking stuff out a long time before this?
Recently it was 50/50 in the discussion but they then picked out 2 or 3 incidents which Clare were involved in.
He was mainly at hegarty. He had a point however it is becoming increasingly clear them boys are influencing disciplinary hearings and it shouldn't be.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2022, 06:36:02 PM
He was mainly at hegarty. He had a point however it is becoming increasingly clear them boys are influencing disciplinary hearings and it shouldn't be.
The GAA/CCCC or whoever can't be seen to be reacting to whatever pundit has a bee in their bonnet on the Sunday game, that's really poor IMO.
If they are genuine and serious about after game citings then have a panel of "experts" review the footage of all games the following day, but that would mean all games having to be videoed and I don't mean like the one in Mullingar done off someones phone..
Either do this with all games or none.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 15, 2022, 09:12:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2022, 06:36:02 PM
He was mainly at hegarty. He had a point however it is becoming increasingly clear them boys are influencing disciplinary hearings and it shouldn't be.
The GAA/CCCC or whoever can't be seen to be reacting to whatever pundit has a bee in their bonnet on the Sunday game, that's really poor IMO.
If they are genuine and serious about after game citings then have a panel of "experts" review the footage of all games the following day, but that would mean all games having to be videoed and I don't mean like the one in Mullingar done off someones phone..
Either do this with all games or none.
Yeah, GAA need to say, ok from 2023, we will have a panel in place to review things that happen during every championship game.
Just can't say a few weeks from the end of the season we're going to start this...on the word of TSG.
Cleared to play
f**king joke, cleared on a technicality that a online zoom meeting does not constitute a meeting. Farce and say alot about managers and players mentality. Think they can do what they want.
I agree with decision. Lads should be allowed to play.
It was a media circus - trial by TSG.
Quote from: marty34 on June 15, 2022, 11:34:12 PM
I agree with decision. Lads should be allowed to play.
It was a media circus - trial by TSG.
All three lads get off on a technicality....
Whilst there's no doubt the three lads did what they did and if spotted by the ref would have got reds, but the GAA really does need to get their disciplinary processes sorted out, yet another shambles totally lacking in transparency and consistency.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 16, 2022, 09:41:22 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 15, 2022, 11:34:12 PM
I agree with decision. Lads should be allowed to play.
It was a media circus - trial by TSG.
All three lads get off on a technicality....
Whilst there's no doubt the three lads did what they did and if spotted by the ref would have got reds, but the GAA really does need to get their disciplinary processes sorted out, yet another shambles totally lacking in transparency and consistency.
Needs to be like rugby. Clear and concise.
Official to watch game live and note serious infractions.
On the Monday morning, X amount of players to be cited - press release and let everyone one know and understand.
Make a decision, give ban and stand over it. End of.
Cork it seems are favourites over Galway and as expected Clare have a 4.5 winning margin tag over Wexford..
out of these 4 teams I don't know which team will turn up, you are waiting on Clare's bubble to burst and Wexford have a game a season in them to surprise a team, wondering has it already happened for them this year?
I think the rest period for Clare will work in their favour as they went toe to toe with Limerick and that can only be a good thing getting that rest. Wexford had a shooty in match with Kerry and probably would have got more out a challenge game in the end looking at the scores.
As for Cork, who knows really how they played against Antrim last week, they were good in parts but didnt excite me with their game, game plan and they were somewhat wasteful at times..
Galway were abysmal if I'm being brutal, lost for any ideas of how to break Kilkenny down and played as soloists not as a team. I don't know if 2 weeks was enough for them to actually get that game out of their heads and prepare to play against a team that has played in a much more competitive Munster championship
Hoping for decent games.. Where are they being shown on Sat? Sky or do RTE have them on?
Cork v Galway.
Henry must try and get a kick out of this Galway team if they are to succeed tomorrow. They don't seem to have the same physicality of Limerick nor Clare in their forwards which caused Cork so much bother in Munster so they must find another way, unless he does load up the forwards with the big lads and rain high ball on them and hope that enough sticks for scores to come off it, and goals will be needed for Galway to win this one IMO. Defensively sound, will be able to prevent Harnedy for pulling much ball out of the air, but its the runners coming through at pace might be a concern.
As for Cork, this could possibly be their biggest test since Limerick and Clare made mincemeat out of them, Waterford had downed tools and Tipp were poor, so maybe there has been a tendency to read too much into Corks revival on the back of that. Antrim probably did them a favour last weekend with a bit of a wakeup call. Can they contain Whelan will depend on what type of ball Galway put into him, O'Donoghue probably best suited to him, but he's a handful for anyone.
Cork forwards will need to get good ball too and race at their opponents, the Galway midfield and half forwards will need to work like dogs to prevent this happening.
tough one to call, but I'll go for Galway, but only just.
Clare v Wexford.
Any complacency in the Clare camp reading too much into the Munster final and being too good for Wexford will have evaporated due to the messing around with the suspensions to the two lads, Lohan will be driving a siege mentality within the camp and they'll be fired up to perform against Wexford. Can a lot of these lads keep hitting those heights with the performance levels unseen from them before this championship is another doubt.
Wexford have been bitsy so far, really poor v Dublin in the game I watched live, aimless hurling, but they got their act together in Nowlan park and physically overpowered the KK forwards. Clare have in O'Donnell, Kelly etc etc a plan B where they're not as reliant on their undoubted physicality as much but it'll be a titanic struggle. O'Connor and McDonald need to find goal scoring form and they'll need to do it on Saturday, but I just don't see it myself.
Going for Clare on this one.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2022, 01:31:26 PM
Cork it seems are favourites over Galway and as expected Clare have a 4.5 winning margin tag over Wexford..
out of these 4 teams I don't know which team will turn up, you are waiting on Clare's bubble to burst and Wexford have a game a season in them to surprise a team, wondering has it already happened for them this year?
I think the rest period for Clare will work in their favour as they went toe to toe with Limerick and that can only be a good thing getting that rest. Wexford had a shooty in match with Kerry and probably would have got more out a challenge game in the end looking at the scores.
As for Cork, who knows really how they played against Antrim last week, they were good in parts but didnt excite me with their game, game plan and they were somewhat wasteful at times..
Galway were abysmal if I'm being brutal, lost for any ideas of how to break Kilkenny down and played as soloists not as a team. I don't know if 2 weeks was enough for them to actually get that game out of their heads and prepare to play against a team that has played in a much more competitive Munster championship
Hoping for decent games.. Where are they being shown on Sat? Sky or do RTE have them on?
Both on RTE 2 I believe.
Won't get to see them live as away to a camogie blitz so RTE player better be working later on..
Quote from: marty34 on June 17, 2022, 02:33:49 PM
2 games which are hard to call. You could make a case for all 4 but it'll all on the day.
Which Cork and Wexford will show up?
I think Cork are coming in nicely. Were lucky to get through Munster and had a run out against Antrim to blow the cobwebs out. I think they'll be ready for this one. They have pace and that could hurt Liam Ryan and Paudie Foley etc. O'Mahony, inside with Connolly, will be problematic for Wexford. Will Horgan and Kingston start?
I think, as JC says, that Wexford need goals from O'Connor and Conor Mac. They need to be on fire. I'm just not convinced by Wexford yet.
I'm tipping Cork.
Clare V Galway. Again, what Galway will turn up? They can't play as bad (or so many of their players) as they did V KK. Yet they were still in the game with 5 mins left. Other lads like Concannon and Monaghan, plus Fahy need to return to the round-robin league form where they were on fire.
I'd put someone on TK and follow him everywhere - no team can let him roam free. Conversely, if I was Shefflin, I'd tell Cathal Mannion to play whereever he wants. Play a role reversal of TK. Mannion is gifted and can hit 5 or 6 points from play. Let him play.
Will all these games take their toll on Clare? Not so far. Their management seems to have worked it well.
What I like about Clare and Lohan, essentially, is that V Limerick in the last round-robin Munster game (drawn), he rested TK and Duggan iirc and a few lads. Yet they still drew. This decision must have gave some boost to the panel. Hey, Lohan trusts us and we played very well without TK etc. albeit was a draw.
I'll go for Clare.
Cork play Galway
And
Clare play Wexford
Scarlet for you,Son
Quote from: clonadmad on June 17, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 17, 2022, 02:33:49 PM
2 games which are hard to call. You could make a case for all 4 but it'll all on the day.
Which Cork and Wexford will show up?
I think Cork are coming in nicely. Were lucky to get through Munster and had a run out against Antrim to blow the cobwebs out. I think they'll be ready for this one. They have pace and that could hurt Liam Ryan and Paudie Foley etc. O'Mahony, inside with Connolly, will be problematic for Wexford. Will Horgan and Kingston start?
I think, as JC says, that Wexford need goals from O'Connor and Conor Mac. They need to be on fire. I'm just not convinced by Wexford yet.
I'm tipping Cork.
Clare V Galway. Again, what Galway will turn up? They can't play as bad (or so many of their players) as they did V KK. Yet they were still in the game with 5 mins left. Other lads like Concannon and Monaghan, plus Fahy need to return to the round-robin league form where they were on fire.
I'd put someone on TK and follow him everywhere - no team can let him roam free. Conversely, if I was Shefflin, I'd tell Cathal Mannion to play whereever he wants. Play a role reversal of TK. Mannion is gifted and can hit 5 or 6 points from play. Let him play.
Will all these games take their toll on Clare? Not so far. Their management seems to have worked it well.
What I like about Clare and Lohan, essentially, is that V Limerick in the last round-robin Munster game (drawn), he rested TK and Duggan iirc and a few lads. Yet they still drew. This decision must have gave some boost to the panel. Hey, Lohan trusts us and we played very well without TK etc. albeit was a draw.
I'll go for Clare.
Cork play Galway
And
Clare play Wexford
Scarlet for you,Son
Genuine mistake. I'll regig.
My 2nd attempt :)
You could make a case for all 4 teams but I'm tipping Cork and Clare.
You can read my other comments above on the teams. :)
That poor Clare minor team sound like they've barely a supporter in Thurles!
there's some crowd of Biffos at it though!
Fair play to them, great to see a former great, yet small, county mixing it with the bigger teams again, even if it is only u17
Congratulations to the Biffos good value for the win.
When was the last time Offaly were in a minor final?
I remember the minor final of 89 Offaly V Clare, it produced some pile of all ireland senior champions in the 90s
Quote from: keep her low this half on June 17, 2022, 08:53:10 PM
Congratulations to the Biffos good value for the win.
When was the last time Offaly were in a minor final?
I remember the minor final of 89 Offaly V Clare, it produced some pile of all ireland senior champions in the 90s
1989
Oops!
Cork have more wides than points
Really really poor show this.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2022, 02:37:30 PM
Really really poor show this.
First half abysmal second half was great... but they win the All Ireland that's for sure
Yeah very entertaining second half. Cork will be kicking themselves. Losing that goal, all them wides and the post twice in hurling you'd be sickened tbh.
Some amount of wides in this Clare v Wexford game. Expected better quality contest between these two sides in a knock out championship game.
Who's the female pundit? She's not bad.
I like canning as a pundit. Calm and measured and seems confident enough in himself that he's not interested in controversy nonsense.
The evening show has become a bit about the pundits. These ones here much better.
Cork keeper also poor for Whelan goal I thought
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2022, 04:38:22 PM
Who's the female pundit? She's not bad.
I like canning as a pundit. Calm and measured and seems confident enough in himself that he's not interested in controversy nonsense.
The evening show has become a bit about the pundits. These ones here much better.
Anna Geary
Yeah Canning very good and actually offers analysis. Was good on the Cork goal chances at half time, how many times have we seen a straightforward save from a keeper and Marty Morrissey screaming about an unbelievable save ?
Cork threw that game away. For Galway, a match like that is great experience.
This year is shaping up quite well compared to recent years.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 18, 2022, 04:39:44 PM
Cork keeper also poor for Whelan goal I thought
Clare goalkeeper poor on both Wexford goals in a matter of minutes.
Leem Chin wasn't playing in the round Robin against Galway but he is central to Wexford's play today.
Some comeback by Clare, take the lead with another goalkeeping error.
Wexford, the Mayo of Hurling
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2022, 05:25:56 PM
Wexford, the Mayo of Hurling
Not at all, Wexford have won very few big matches, at least Mayo won a few semi finals
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2022, 05:25:56 PM
Wexford, the Mayo of Hurling
Not the best of comparisons. Wexfords last All-Ireland final appearance was in 1996 and they won that final.
Waterford would be closer to hurling's Mayo
Last all Ireland was also in the 50s.
Several recent final losses
Psychological issues
Inability to change tactics in-game
Lets hope the GAA appoint referees that allow teams to play.
The contrast two weeks ago was crazy
Galway V Kilkenny, free ridden pathetic spectacle
Limerick V Clare one of best games in a decade.
btw kudos to all four teams today for providing four hours os great entertainment.
Wexford have an ai although mind you not this century. This century they have beat tipp. Honestly think under Davy they had a chance of an ai one year but ended up losing to tipp. I don't think they have the players at the minute. Points total very low today and won't win you games.
Bill Murray was in thurles. Brilliant.
Clare still have a chance for the all Ireland but will have to beat Kilkenny and Limerick to get it. I thought Clare were finished wnen Wexford got the third goal and went 6 points up.
Clare I think need a new goalie, Quilligan is not good enough and gifted Wexford their second goal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2022, 06:00:17 PM
Bill Murray was in thurles. Brilliant.
It was Groundhog day for both Wexford, Cork.
Great to see Offaly minor's winning
I thought Clare were better than today's performance.
Cork were at the same thing last week against Antrim, and Kingston mentioned it after the game. Going for goals when the point is on, they didn't learn
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 18, 2022, 08:47:26 PM
Cork were at the same thing last week against Antrim, and Kingston mentioned it after the game. Going for goals when the point is on, they didn't learn
The misses in the first half , points or otherwise, were chronic then there was the first goal the goalie dropped in the net and they hit the post twice. There's just a list of things.
Clare will need to improve. Also get Kelly out the field earlier. A blind man could see it.
Quote from: clonadmad on June 17, 2022, 09:19:38 PM
Quote from: keep her low this half on June 17, 2022, 08:53:10 PM
Congratulations to the Biffos good value for the win.
When was the last time Offaly were in a minor final?
I remember the minor final of 89 Offaly V Clare, it produced some pile of all ireland senior champions in the 90s
1989
Well if you get as good a crop as you did from 1989 you are well set for the future. John Troy, Johnny Dooley and Brian Whelehan all on that team plus probably a few others I have fprgottem
Barring Eanna Murphy for Galway it wasn't a great Saturday for keepers.
Quilligan not overly commanding in the air and rather than put his hand on the ball, batted it out and not very far, a defenders nightmare, the first one I can have a bit of sympathy for him, but the golden rule of goalkeeping is that you keep your eye on the original flight of the ball and make sure you get it, if Chin gets a touch and deflects it, there's nothing you can do, but he didn't and the ball squirmed through between his arm and body, the body should have been in line with the flight of the ball..
The other two were just basic errors, Collins probably reaching across his body with the catching hand and not being overly tall didn't have the reach for the ball dipping under the bar, Fannings one, he seems to have been planning his exit route from the square before he'd gotten full possession of the ball, basic but evidently costly mistake.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2022, 09:30:32 AM
Barring Eanna Murphy for Galway it wasn't a great Saturday for keepers.
Quilligan not overly commanding in the air and rather than put his hand on the ball, batted it out and not very far, a defenders nightmare, the first one I can have a bit of sympathy for him, but the golden rule of goalkeeping is that you keep your eye on the original flight of the ball and make sure you get it, if Chin gets a touch and deflects it, there's nothing you can do, but he didn't and the ball squirmed through between his arm and body, the body should have been in line with the flight of the ball..
The other two were just basic errors, Collins probably reaching across his body with the catching hand and not being overly tall didn't have the reach for the ball dipping under the bar, Fannings one, he seems to have been planning his exit route from the square before he'd gotten full possession of the ball, basic but evidently costly mistake.
I don't think Wexford are as good as Clare so maybe a mistake was the balancing item
What did people think of the penalty incident yesterday on Saturday evening?
I thought it was - cynical drag down.
Donal Óg now looking CP's pitch re-marked for the semi-finals.
On this I think the Cork football game had no 65 lines in it. Looked a bit strange at the start but thought it was ok when the eyes got adjusted to it.
Could they do that for the hurling and football games in CP over the next few weeks - take the 45's and 65's out for the respective games?
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2022, 09:30:32 AM
Barring Eanna Murphy for Galway it wasn't a great Saturday for keepers.
Quilligan not overly commanding in the air and rather than put his hand on the ball, batted it out and not very far, a defenders nightmare, the first one I can have a bit of sympathy for him, but the golden rule of goalkeeping is that you keep your eye on the original flight of the ball and make sure you get it, if Chin gets a touch and deflects it, there's nothing you can do, but he didn't and the ball squirmed through between his arm and body, the body should have been in line with the flight of the ball..
The other two were just basic errors, Collins probably reaching across his body with the catching hand and not being overly tall didn't have the reach for the ball dipping under the bar, Fannings one, he seems to have been planning his exit route from the square before he'd gotten full possession of the ball, basic but evidently costly mistake.
I don't think Wexford are as good as Clare so maybe a mistake was the balancing item
They're not as good as Clare but on the day they could have won it and that's all that counts. Clare dug in, turned the momentum of the game in their favour and were worthy winners in the end.
I thought it was a penalty alright, although there were a few Clare defenders who were racing back for cover and that maybe swayed the referee more than the 25 metre thing which is near on impossible for a referee to judge with no line so I'd agree with Donal Og on that one.
Do you not need the 65's in football for the throw in to keep the rest of the players out of that area?
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 18, 2022, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2022, 04:38:22 PM
Who's the female pundit? She's not bad.
I like canning as a pundit. Calm and measured and seems confident enough in himself that he's not interested in controversy nonsense.
The evening show has become a bit about the pundits. These ones here much better.
Anna Geary
Can someone stop her constantly interrupting the other panellists to womansplain?
It feels like the tail end of the Kilkenny years when what counted was who was first in line behind them. Hurling is weird at the moment because the Old Firm are all some form of banjaxed at the same time. Limerick might win say another 2 but if that ends before Tipp and Cork get back on the saddle there should be a few All Irelands available.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2022, 12:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2022, 09:30:32 AM
Barring Eanna Murphy for Galway it wasn't a great Saturday for keepers.
Quilligan not overly commanding in the air and rather than put his hand on the ball, batted it out and not very far, a defenders nightmare, the first one I can have a bit of sympathy for him, but the golden rule of goalkeeping is that you keep your eye on the original flight of the ball and make sure you get it, if Chin gets a touch and deflects it, there's nothing you can do, but he didn't and the ball squirmed through between his arm and body, the body should have been in line with the flight of the ball..
The other two were just basic errors, Collins probably reaching across his body with the catching hand and not being overly tall didn't have the reach for the ball dipping under the bar, Fannings one, he seems to have been planning his exit route from the square before he'd gotten full possession of the ball, basic but evidently costly mistake.
I don't think Wexford are as good as Clare so maybe a mistake was the balancing item
They're not as good as Clare but on the day they could have won it and that's all that counts. Clare dug in, turned the momentum of the game in their favour and were worthy winners in the end.
I thought it was a penalty alright, although there were a few Clare defenders who were racing back for cover and that maybe swayed the referee more than the 25 metre thing which is near on impossible for a referee to judge with no line so I'd agree with Donal Og on that one.
Do you not need the 65's in football for the throw in to keep the rest of the players out of that area?
Good point never thought about that.
They'll always inside it amyway so it makes no difference.
Only thing on the penalty is he held him back for a second. He literally hung on to him and that gave the impression that the defenders would have got back. Chin's a strong lad so he had to rugby style hold him.
Maybe make the 'square' bigger and any fouls inside it would be a penalty.
Clare have 2 weeks now to reset. Aaron Shanagher was excellent when he came on. Never started in this years championship but has been about a few years now. He'll be an option for the semi-final - very good in the air also.
Anybody know are the GAA doing any special underage deals for the AISF's in the hurling?
Used to be able to take underage teams to the semi-finals for €5 iirc.
Quote from: marty34 on June 20, 2022, 01:10:26 PM
Anybody know are the GAA doing any special underage deals for the AISF's in the hurling?
Used to be able to take underage teams to the semi-finals for €5 iirc.
I think you can still get the kids in for €5, but the deal they had was that you could also get a few mentors in for €15 IIRC, but now the mentors are to pay the full €50
Good games coming up at the weekend, Limerick based on how Galway have played this year should win by 8/9 points, they would need to have a really poor game and for Galway to pull that one performance out of a hat to have a chance..
Clare have been the only team that has really given them a go this year in Championship, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kilkenny bates Clare as I've written the Cats off all year.. Kelly and co can't afford to miss the free's or the wide count they had the last day out, and the won't be able to claw back a lead to Kilkenny, as they will see it out and chip away at the scoreboard..
Which leaves us with a possible line up of Limerick v Kilkenny and that will only give us one outcome, Kilkenny have been in 1 final in that 6 years, they were hammered by Tipp 2019.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2022, 03:42:15 PM
Good games coming up at the weekend, Limerick based on how Galway have played this year should win by 8/9 points, they would need to have a really poor game and for Galway to pull that one performance out of a hat to have a chance..
Clare have been the only team that has really given them a go this year in Championship, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kilkenny bates Clare as I've written the Cats off all year.. Kelly and co can't afford to miss the free's or the wide count they had the last day out, and the won't be able to claw back a lead to Kilkenny, as they will see it out and chip away at the scoreboard..
Which leaves us with a possible line up of Limerick v Kilkenny and that will only give us one outcome, Kilkenny have been in 1 final in that 6 years, they were hammered by Tipp 2019.
Hard to look past Limerick alright and with a few more bodies back could be formidable enough, but 8/9 points is probably on the conservative side of the scoreline. Galway really need to come with their top performance or it'll be nearer 15. This limerick team will go for the jugular if they sense a weakness.
I just can't see where the Galway scores are going to come from sadly.
Clare v KK is harder to call. Clare could argue they burned off some dirty diesel in the first half v Wexford and when they go going were well worth the win against a team who went to Nowlan park and won well beforehand. Aerially the Clare defence need to do better as that's still plan A for Kilkenny. Give TJ and Eoin Cody aerial possession that close to goal and there's only one outcome. Expecting John Conlon to sit very deep when the aerial bombardment comes in.
Can Kilkenny cope with a Tony Kelly (carrying a bit of an injury vrs Wex), Shane O'Donnell as well as Duggan might prove too much for this Kilkenny defence, but you really can't write the buggers off.
Hoping for Clare but this could well be another cracker.
Limerick would hammer KK in a final but Clare would do better
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Limerick would hammer KK in a final but Clare would do better
I'd say Kiely would want KK after what happened in 2019.
He wants revenge on Kilkenny. They're the only team thst has blotched their copybook, apart from their early 1/4 final win in Thurles a few years back.
Semi Finals this weekend
Very hard to look past Limerick, will Cian Lynch be back for the weekend? With him on board 10 + win, without him 5-10 point win.
Other semi final very hard to call. Did Clare have a bad day at the office against Wexford and can bounce back and blow Kilkenny away? Or have Clare put so much into Munster that the tank is running low. Very hard to say from this distance.
Cody likes nothing better than being written off. Three Leinster titles in a row and still talked about as underdogs?
I wouldn't want to bet on this but no man ever got rich betting against Cody so my fiver for what its worth will go on the cats.
I'll take a punt on the draw and Limerick -7
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I'll take a punt on the draw and Limerick -7
On that point, if it ends in a draw do we have extra time and possibly penalties?
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I'll take a punt on the draw and Limerick -7
On that point, if it ends in a draw do we have extra time and possibly penalties?
yes.
Quote from: keep her low this half on June 29, 2022, 11:31:04 AM
Semi Finals this weekend
Very hard to look past Limerick, will Cian Lynch be back for the weekend? With him on board 10 + win, without him 5-10 point win.
Other semi final very hard to call. Did Clare have a bad day at the office against Wexford and can bounce back and blow Kilkenny away? Or have Clare put so much into Munster that the tank is running low. Very hard to say from this distance.
Cody likes nothing better than being written off. Three Leinster titles in a row and still talked about as underdogs?
I wouldn't want to bet on this but no man ever got rich betting against Cody so my fiver for what its worth will go on the cats.
Thing is there's no one in Clare considering themselves favourites and they'll be going full bore at Kilkenny and will match if not better them in the physicality stakes.
My only doubt about Clare is how they cope with the aerial bombardment inside the 20 metre line. If they can handle that, and protect their keeper better (but he needs to be braver) then I think they'll win, but as you say no one will ever get rich betting against Brian Cody.
tough call, but the closer to the weekend we get, the more I think Clare will do it, but only just.
I would expect a very fired up Kilkenny. Tony Kelly is not going to get space and is going to have to fight for his life any ball that comes in. Clare Kilkenny definitely interesting. I hope Clare win but have my doubts.
I just can't see Galway doing much in the other game.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 29, 2022, 02:54:35 PM
I would expect a very fired up Kilkenny. Tony Kelly is not going to get space and is going to have to fight for his life any ball that comes in. Clare Kilkenny definitely interesting. I hope Clare win but have my doubts.
I just can't see Galway doing much in the other game.
Tony Kelly needs man marked...properly. Id say Butler will go in him. Even if Butler never touches the ball. Lawlor will go on Duggan and Deegan maybe on O'Donnell.
Was just looking at TK. Never noticed he's a right hander but strikes off his left.
.KK are regulars in Croke Park. This must be Clare's first time since 2013 so KK will have the edge there and that's a big thing I think.
I'd put TJ on top of Cleary and put Eoin Cody and Keoghan in that line also from the start for 10 mins and see how it goes. Put the pressure on Quilligan under the high ball alà Wexford.
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I would expect a very fired up Kilkenny. Tony Kelly is not going to get space and is going to have to fight for his life any ball that comes in. Clare Kilkenny definitely interesting. I hope Clare win but have my doubts.
I just can't see Galway doing much in the other game.
Tony Kelly needs man marked...properly. Id say Butler will go in him. Even if Butler never touches the ball. Lawlor will go on Duggan and Deegan maybe on O'Donnell.
Was just looking at TK. Never noticed he's a right hander but strikes off his left.
.KK are regulars in Croke Park. This must be Clare's first time since 2013 so KK will have the edge there and that's a big thing I think.
I'd put TJ on top of Cleary and put Eoin Cody and Keoghan in that line also from the start for 10 mins and see how it goes. Put the pressure on Quilligan under the high ball alà Wexford.
Clare were in the semi in 2018. Drew with Galway in Croker.
Some game it was too. I was thinking deegan on Kelly.
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I would expect a very fired up Kilkenny. Tony Kelly is not going to get space and is going to have to fight for his life any ball that comes in. Clare Kilkenny definitely interesting. I hope Clare win but have my doubts.
I just can't see Galway doing much in the other game.
Tony Kelly needs man marked...properly. Id say Butler will go in him. Even if Butler never touches the ball. Lawlor will go on Duggan and Deegan maybe on O'Donnell.
Was just looking at TK. Never noticed he's a right hander but strikes off his left.
.KK are regulars in Croke Park. This must be Clare's first time since 2013 so KK will have the edge there and that's a big thing I think.
I'd put TJ on top of Cleary and put Eoin Cody and Keoghan in that line also from the start for 10 mins and see how it goes. Put the pressure on Quilligan under the high ball alà Wexford.
Clare were in the semi in 2018. Drew with Galway in Croker.
Ok. Didn't realise that.
Still KK there on a regular basis. Used to playing at 5:30 pm also.
Lohan doing a great job wirh Clare. Davy Fitz getting a good few scores plus Diarmuid Ryan chopping away from half-back. Maybe better going fjrward than back. KK could attack that space if the Clare half-backs push on too much.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 09:36:52 AM
Some game it was too. I was thinking deegan on Kelly.
I'd have Butler on him and go everywhere with him. Proper man-mark him, even if Butler doesn't touch the ball himself.
Match ups will be interesting.
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I would expect a very fired up Kilkenny. Tony Kelly is not going to get space and is going to have to fight for his life any ball that comes in. Clare Kilkenny definitely interesting. I hope Clare win but have my doubts.
I just can't see Galway doing much in the other game.
Tony Kelly needs man marked...properly. Id say Butler will go in him. Even if Butler never touches the ball. Lawlor will go on Duggan and Deegan maybe on O'Donnell.
Was just looking at TK. Never noticed he's a right hander but strikes off his left.
.KK are regulars in Croke Park. This must be Clare's first time since 2013 so KK will have the edge there and that's a big thing I think.
I'd put TJ on top of Cleary and put Eoin Cody and Keoghan in that line also from the start for 10 mins and see how it goes. Put the pressure on Quilligan under the high ball alà Wexford.
Clare were in the semi in 2018. Drew with Galway in Croker.
Ok. Didn't realise that.
Still KK there on a regular basis. Used to playing at 5:30 pm also.
Lohan doing a great job wirh Clare. Davy Fitz getting a good few scores plus Diarmuid Ryan chopping away from half-back. Maybe better going fjrward than back. KK could attack that space if the Clare half-backs push on too much.
It'll be Butler for me also although Butler may be in parts of the field he's never been before. If he stops Kelly having an impact then that's job done and a big job it is. Kelly can strike off both sides but prefers to strike off the left when on the run, pretty common i'd have thought.
TJ will indeed be put in on Cleary and Paul Flanagan will end up on Cody if he ends up that close to goal, Flanagan has been outstanding for Clare but this will be a different test altogether. Cody, is abrasive, direct, skillful and quick, stopping him is a challenge. How Flanagan and Clare handle him will have a big say in the game. Rory Hayes being subbed so early in the quarter and being replaced by Nolan didn't help the last day, but it will be interesting to see who starts there for Clare.
I think Kilkenny have issues in and around midfield and they never seem to win that area and indeed bypass it a lot of the time, but if Ryan Taylor is getting on a lot of ball (something Wexford managed to prevent) then the Clare attack will be working with dirty ball and whilst they'll make a good fist of it, that'll suit Kilkenny.
Expecting O'Donnell to pitch up next to Richie Reid and attempt to make inroads there. Big Deegan will be expected to do battle with Peter Duggan who will probably be rotated between there and FF. Lawlor is a good fullback, reasonably quick and strong, Galvin might start there to try and move him around.
Clare need a bigger game from Conlon to turn those long balls around and drive up the field with them...
Still going for Clare but only just.
I would be surprised if the cats won. They weren't great in the round robin.
I have this feeling that Clare are a coming team. It's all about who is first in line after Luimneach hit the wall.
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I would expect a very fired up Kilkenny. Tony Kelly is not going to get space and is going to have to fight for his life any ball that comes in. Clare Kilkenny definitely interesting. I hope Clare win but have my doubts.
I just can't see Galway doing much in the other game.
Tony Kelly needs man marked...properly. Id say Butler will go in him. Even if Butler never touches the ball. Lawlor will go on Duggan and Deegan maybe on O'Donnell.
Was just looking at TK. Never noticed he's a right hander but strikes off his left.
.KK are regulars in Croke Park. This must be Clare's first time since 2013 so KK will have the edge there and that's a big thing I think.
I'd put TJ on top of Cleary and put Eoin Cody and Keoghan in that line also from the start for 10 mins and see how it goes. Put the pressure on Quilligan under the high ball alà Wexford.
Clare were in the semi in 2018. Drew with Galway in Croker.
Ok. Didn't realise that.
Still KK there on a regular basis. Used to playing at 5:30 pm also.
Lohan doing a great job wirh Clare. Davy Fitz getting a good few scores plus Diarmuid Ryan chopping away from half-back. Maybe better going fjrward than back. KK could attack that space if the Clare half-backs push on too much.
It'll be Butler for me also although Butler may be in parts of the field he's never been before. If he stops Kelly having an impact then that's job done and a big job it is. Kelly can strike off both sides but prefers to strike off the left when on the run, pretty common i'd have thought.
TJ will indeed be put in on Cleary and Paul Flanagan will end up on Cody if he ends up that close to goal, Flanagan has been outstanding for Clare but this will be a different test altogether. Cody, is abrasive, direct, skillful and quick, stopping him is a challenge. How Flanagan and Clare handle him will have a big say in the game. Rory Hayes being subbed so early in the quarter and being replaced by Nolan didn't help the last day, but it will be interesting to see who starts there for Clare.
I think Kilkenny have issues in and around midfield and they never seem to win that area and indeed bypass it a lot of the time, but if Ryan Taylor is getting on a lot of ball (something Wexford managed to prevent) then the Clare attack will be working with dirty ball and whilst they'll make a good fist of it, that'll suit Kilkenny.
Expecting O'Donnell to pitch up next to Richie Reid and attempt to make inroads there. Big Deegan will be expected to do battle with Peter Duggan who will probably be rotated between there and FF. Lawlor is a good fullback, reasonably quick and strong, Galvin might start there to try and move him around.
Clare need a bigger game from Conlon to turn those long balls around and drive up the field with them...
Still going for Clare but only just.
Kelly's right hand on top of hurl but he hits his frees on the left side. No?
Obviously he's great off both sides but a bit strange I thought.
Yeah, Cody is due a big game. As you say, hit it to him any way and he'll try to win in. Direct, fast and good in the air - the 'new' T.J.
Adrian Mullan is quietly going about his business in mid-field. Scored 4 points V Galway in last run out but puts a shift in also. Fogarty was in with him the last day. Sort of a holding defensive type mid-fielder, while Mullan pushed on. He could start there again. Leahy and Maher not consistent enough it seems.
Richie Reid could, like Conlon, sit in the pocket and try to influence the game from there. Maybe similiar roles.
For large parts of the game (mainly first half) Kelly was missing, poor free taking in that game and previous game which was then handed over to someone else who steadied the ship regarding frees, Kelly will still find the space but if the man marking is having an impact on his performance then remember Clare's game this year in the league that Kelly wasn't playing in, they actually played their best hurling this year in a game he wasn't involved in
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
For large parts of the game (mainly first half) Kelly was missing, poor free taking in that game and previous game which was then handed over to someone else who steadied the ship regarding frees, Kelly will still find the space but if the man marking is having an impact on his performance then remember Clare's game this year in the league that Kelly wasn't playing in, they actually played their best hurling this year in a game he wasn't involved in
I think that final round-robin game has gave the Clare squard a huge confidence boost:
1. They had a load of lads missing and still got the draw.
2. Fringe players got a run out and produced the goods. As a squad player, they must be thinking, Lohan will give me a chance. Great for the Clare squad spirit.
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For large parts of the game (mainly first half) Kelly was missing, poor free taking in that game and previous game which was then handed over to someone else who steadied the ship regarding frees, Kelly will still find the space but if the man marking is having an impact on his performance then remember Clare's game this year in the league that Kelly wasn't playing in, they actually played their best hurling this year in a game he wasn't involved in
I think that final round-robin game has gave the Clare squard a huge confidence boost:
1. They had a load of lads missing and still got the draw.
2. Fringe players got a run out and produced the goods. As a squad player, they must be thinking, Lohan will give me a chance. Great for the Clare squad spirit.
Thought it was the Waterford game you both were talking about..
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
For large parts of the game (mainly first half) Kelly was missing, poor free taking in that game and previous game which was then handed over to someone else who steadied the ship regarding frees, Kelly will still find the space but if the man marking is having an impact on his performance then remember Clare's game this year in the league that Kelly wasn't playing in, they actually played their best hurling this year in a game he wasn't involved in
I think that final round-robin game has gave the Clare squard a huge confidence boost:
1. They had a load of lads missing and still got the draw.
2. Fringe players got a run out and produced the goods. As a squad player, they must be thinking, Lohan will give me a chance. Great for the Clare squad spirit.
Thought it was the Waterford game you both were talking about..
Sorry, you're 100% spot on.
Lohan showed great faith in his squad. Rested the key lads.
Be hard to look past Limerick in the other semi-final.
Always waiting on Galway to explode and produce a bit of consistency. Shefflin will need them to produce a full on performance with 70+ % scoring/shot ratio. Nothing as bad as when going well, then hit 2 or 3 wides in a row. Just sucks the air out of a team.
Galway need a good few points from play from Cooney, Monaghan and Concannon etc. Plus goals.
Rumours that Ger Mac won't make it. Cooney at No. 6 or maybe even David Burke. I'd let Cathal Mannion roam, pick off passes and pick off a few scores from play. He's key for Galway, even moreso than Whelan as Finn and Nash will be hanging out of him inside.
You know what Limerick will bring. Needs to be matched. Harder said than done.
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Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2022, 02:47:05 PM
Be hard to look past Limerick in the other semi-final.
Always waiting on Galway to explode and produce a bit of consistency. Shefflin will need them to produce a full on performance with 70+ % scoring/shot ratio. Nothing as bad as when going well, then hit 2 or 3 wides in a row. Just sucks the air out of a team.
Galway need a good few points from play from Cooney, Monaghan and Concannon etc. Plus goals.
Rumours that Ger Mac won't make it. Cooney at No. 6 or maybe even David Burke. I'd let Cathal Mannion roam, pick off passes and pick off a few scores from play. He's key for Galway, even moreso than Whelan as Finn and Nash will be hanging out of him inside.
You know what Limerick will bring. Needs to be matched. Harder said than done.
Galway need a good start and huge intensity plus 2 or 3 goals and something could happen. 2001 and 2005 would be the templates
Limerick to win by 10+ points.
Limerick have been streets ahead of everyone these last few years except for Clare this year. 3 draws out of three competitive games v clare says that Clare have caught up. So Clare against Kilkenny looks like Clare to me. Unless Clare don't bring the form they have shown thisyear against Limerick then Kilkenny will have a chance. The other thing that gives Kilkenny a chance is the Clare goalkeeper and fullback could be exploited by TJ Reid. Quilligan in goals can be worth a soft goal a game to the opposition. Against Kilkenny with Cleary up against Reid at full forward who is very strong in the air could be a very fruitful route for Kilkenny into the game.
Galway have been really unimpressive this year too. Limerick should win handy bar a shock.
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Limerick to win by 10+ points.
Limerick have been streets ahead of everyone these last few years except for Clare this year. 3 draws out of three competitive games v clare says that Clare have caught up. So Clare against Kilkenny looks like Clare to me. Unless Clare don't bring the form they have shown thisyear against Limerick then Kilkenny will have a chance. The other thing that gives Kilkenny a chance is the Clare goalkeeper and fullback could be exploited by TJ Reid. Quilligan in goals can be worth a soft goal a game to the opposition. Against Kilkenny with Cleary up against Reid at full forward who is very strong in the air could be a very fruitful route for Kilkenny into the game.
Surely Reid is going to want it low in to space if he is up against Cleary. As good as Reid is in the air, Cleary is 6 foot 6.
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Limerick to win by 10+ points.
Limerick have been streets ahead of everyone these last few years except for Clare this year. 3 draws out of three competitive games v clare says that Clare have caught up. So Clare against Kilkenny looks like Clare to me. Unless Clare don't bring the form they have shown thisyear against Limerick then Kilkenny will have a chance. The other thing that gives Kilkenny a chance is the Clare goalkeeper and fullback could be exploited by TJ Reid. Quilligan in goals can be worth a soft goal a game to the opposition. Against Kilkenny with Cleary up against Reid at full forward who is very strong in the air could be a very fruitful route for Kilkenny into the game.
Surely Reid is going to want it low in to space if he is up against Cleary. As good as Reid is in the air, Cleary is 6 foot 6.
Reid has lost a good bit of pace, Mossy might get the odd low ball, but Cleary was exposed a bit by Wexford in the air, KK will try him out for confidence under a few I'd have thought.
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Limerick to win by 10+ points.
Limerick have been streets ahead of everyone these last few years except for Clare this year. 3 draws out of three competitive games v clare says that Clare have caught up. So Clare against Kilkenny looks like Clare to me. Unless Clare don't bring the form they have shown thisyear against Limerick then Kilkenny will have a chance. The other thing that gives Kilkenny a chance is the Clare goalkeeper and fullback could be exploited by TJ Reid. Quilligan in goals can be worth a soft goal a game to the opposition. Against Kilkenny with Cleary up against Reid at full forward who is very strong in the air could be a very fruitful route for Kilkenny into the game.
Surely Reid is going to want it low in to space if he is up against Cleary. As good as Reid is in the air, Cleary is 6 foot 6.
Reid has lost a good bit of pace, Mossy might get the odd low ball, but Cleary was exposed a bit by Wexford in the air, KK will try him out for confidence under a few I'd have thought.
Not many better than T.J. in the air, regardless of who's marking him.
Key thing here is he'll usually suck 2 defenders in on the aerial ball, win it and pop it out to Eoin Cody or Mossie Keoghan, who'll have a free run on goal.
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Limerick to win by 10+ points.
Limerick have been streets ahead of everyone these last few years except for Clare this year. 3 draws out of three competitive games v clare says that Clare have caught up. So Clare against Kilkenny looks like Clare to me. Unless Clare don't bring the form they have shown thisyear against Limerick then Kilkenny will have a chance. The other thing that gives Kilkenny a chance is the Clare goalkeeper and fullback could be exploited by TJ Reid. Quilligan in goals can be worth a soft goal a game to the opposition. Against Kilkenny with Cleary up against Reid at full forward who is very strong in the air could be a very fruitful route for Kilkenny into the game.
Surely Reid is going to want it low in to space if he is up against Cleary. As good as Reid is in the air, Cleary is 6 foot 6.
Reid has lost a good bit of pace, Mossy might get the odd low ball, but Cleary was exposed a bit by Wexford in the air, KK will try him out for confidence under a few I'd have thought.
Not many better than T.J. in the air, regardless of who's marking him.
Key thing here is he'll usually suck 2 defenders in on the aerial ball, win it and pop it out to Eoin Cody or Mossie Keoghan, who'll have a free run on goal.
As you say, one thing that makes the greats really stand out is their decision making and how they can occupy/ torment more than one player at a time.
Although the same argument does apply to Tony Kelly at the other end of the field, how will Kilkennys half backs/ midfield manage him?
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Limerick to win by 10+ points.
Limerick have been streets ahead of everyone these last few years except for Clare this year. 3 draws out of three competitive games v clare says that Clare have caught up. So Clare against Kilkenny looks like Clare to me. Unless Clare don't bring the form they have shown thisyear against Limerick then Kilkenny will have a chance. The other thing that gives Kilkenny a chance is the Clare goalkeeper and fullback could be exploited by TJ Reid. Quilligan in goals can be worth a soft goal a game to the opposition. Against Kilkenny with Cleary up against Reid at full forward who is very strong in the air could be a very fruitful route for Kilkenny into the game.
Surely Reid is going to want it low in to space if he is up against Cleary. As good as Reid is in the air, Cleary is 6 foot 6.
Reid has lost a good bit of pace, Mossy might get the odd low ball, but Cleary was exposed a bit by Wexford in the air, KK will try him out for confidence under a few I'd have thought.
Not many better than T.J. in the air, regardless of who's marking him.
Key thing here is he'll usually suck 2 defenders in on the aerial ball, win it and pop it out to Eoin Cody or Mossie Keoghan, who'll have a free run on goal.
As you say, one thing that makes the greats really stand out is their decision making and how they can occupy/ torment more than one player at a time.
Although the same argument does apply to Tony Kelly at the other end of the field, how will Kilkennys half backs/ midfield manage him?
As I said previously, I'd put Butler on him (mightn't happen) and tell him to follow TK everywhere, literally. Don't worry about touching ball himself, just make sure TK is limited in his possessions. Harder said than done.
Plus it takes a special player to do this, to be so discliplined.
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Galway have been really unimpressive this year too. Limerick should win handy bar a shock.
They beat Kilkenny in the round robin, though. How good are Kilkenny ?
Even then they struggled though and I beat them when it counted.
I'd love to see them beat Limerick but just couldn't see it.
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Even then they struggled though and I beat them when it counted.
I'd love to see them beat Limerick but just couldn't see it.
It all goes in cycles. As long as they made progress this year I would be be happy. There might be an all Ireland in them down the road. Being in Leinster they have no fear of Kilkenny.
Why does being in Leinster matter as to whether they have a fear of Kilkenny?
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Why does being in Leinster matter as to whether they have a fear of Kilkenny?
Familiarity. They play them every year.
I remember in the 80s talking to PJ Molloy who played on the 1980 team that won Galway's second all Ireland. He said that the only team they were afraid of was Kilkenny who hammered them in 1979. He got a lot of satisfaction out of beating Kilkenny in the 1987 final.
Irrelevant if they are getting beat by them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 06:17:32 PM
Irrelevant if they are getting beat by them.
They aren't, actually . If you go back to 2016 in the Leinster championship, the score is 3-3 with no meeting in 2017.
Kilkenny and Galway are on a similar level.
Galway are playing Limerick and have no chance. Neither would Kilkenny. They are a long way from 2015, even now.
Kk won last two Leinster finals - the games that would count . The round robin is warm up to these two teams.That is with a perceived bad kk team. Honestly the familiarity isn't working yet. It should have been with kk on the wane but it's not.
Kk for their weaknesses were last to beat limerick and realistically no one has any chance against Limerick so not sure the relevance.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Kk won last two Leinster finals - the games that would count . The round robin is warm up to these two teams.That is with a perceived bad kk team. Honestly the familiarity isn't working yet. It should have been with kk on the wane but it's not.
Kk for their weaknesses were last to beat limerick and realistically no one has any chance against Limerick so not sure the relevance.
they beat them in 2019
KK win leinster and get tanked by Limerick. So what ?
They haven't won an all Ireland since 2015 afaik.
If Shefflin makes progress next year and the year after, Galway will win the all Ireland before Kilkenny
Physically Limerick are a whole different level to any other side that has played the game. I don't see anybody getting close to beating them again, they are at the peak of their powers a bit like Dublin footballers they could win quite a few more AI titles yet.
Clare put in an unbelievable performance against them in Munster but I don't think they can replicate that again.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Kk won last two Leinster finals - the games that would count . The round robin is warm up to these two teams.That is with a perceived bad kk team. Honestly the familiarity isn't working yet. It should have been with kk on the wane but it's not.
Kk for their weaknesses were last to beat limerick and realistically no one has any chance against Limerick so not sure the relevance.
they beat them in 2019
KK win leinster and get tanked by Limerick. So what ?
They haven't won an all Ireland since 2015 afaik.
If Shefflin makes progress next year and the year after, Galway will win the all Ireland before Kilkenny
So they beat Galway and win the only title both of them can win.
They have no visible signs of progress this year so far so you are clutching at straws a bit there. I honestly thought you were dreadful in the Leinster final.
I like Galway but I wouldn't be that impressed with where you currently are and I am not sure I see an upward trajectory.
Yc yeah hard to see anybody get near Limerick at all. That's without lynch too.
The Hurley stuff this weekend. Would think Kilkenny and Limerick to win well.
::) Hurley stuff ?
Croke Park looking empty enough with only 30 mins to throw in. Could nearly have had both semi finals the same day or this should have been in Thurles.
Clare are a better team than Kilkenny imo but you couldn't ever rule out a Kilkenny win.
Kilkenny easy money @6/4. . Kilkenny by 10. Coady to bang a couple couple goals.
That's abit of a colour clash Jersey wise. Place us half empty tickets are too dear for these games. Most people stay at home watching the game, especially neutrals.
Disappointing crowd for an all Ireland semi final? Place isn't even half full
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2022, 05:38:37 PM
That's abit of a colour clash Jersey wise. Place us half empty tickets are too dear for these games. Most people stay at home watching the game, especially neutrals.
I'd agree €50 isn't it? Not enticing for neutrals
Kilkenny doing what Kilkenny do here.
Game over
Clare hitting some bad wides.
Brilliant from Duggan there. Might give Clare the boost they need.
Clare need to fix the FF line
Christ the wides they are hitting are criminal.
Clare are awful here. Really lacking ideas.
Is, Tony Kelly playing, hasn't touched leather. Kilkenny eating them here.
Very surprised by Clare here. Kilkenny getting it easy .
Has hit a wide and a free.
Kk very good here. Hard to believe how bad Clare have been. They're in for a hammering here.
Let's not forget this Clare side pushed Limerick all the way in the Munster final and today an impressive Kilkenny are good value for their 14 point half time lead.
Not the same Clare side.
Backed Clare to win typical
Says there is just under 40,000 at it, was there a double header? no Minor game beforehand?
Don't think the u17 is in croke. (Football or hurling).
F**k sake
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
Don't think the u17 is in croke. (Football or hurling).
F**k sake
They aren't. Read elsewhere that HQ feel playing those matches in Croke park puts too much pressure on U17s.
Same Clare side as wexford, rising to the occasion once for Limerick not cut it if u can't get that length to met them again.
If Clare could turn this around with 6 goals a d beat Kilkenny in the 9th minute of extra time, Cody would never forgive them.
O'donnell and Hayes have a bit of fight at least.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
Don't think the u17 is in croke. (Football or hurling).
F**k sake
They aren't. Read elsewhere that HQ feel playing those matches in Croke park puts too much pressure on U17s.
f**king hell!!! Too much pressure? As any kid that has a chance of playing in Croke Park and he'll take it every day
Cotton wool society
17 wides vs 4
Any sign of Tony Kelly yet.
Kelly non existant, especially with Conlan not on the other side of the coin.
I think Fitzgerald has probably had as many wides as kk.
Kelly can't get an all star after that performance.
He didn't score from play.
Small consolation for Clare winning the the 2nd half 0-13 to 1-9 though Kilkenny 14 point up had their foot off the pedal for most of that 2nd half. From a neutral point of view hopefully tomorrows semi final is a better and more competitive contest.
Can Kilkenny play as good against Limerick in the final ?Coady will relish in underdog role again.
Was there another Coady Handshake stand off there?
Don't think that was Cody. Lohan looks in a state of shock at how bad Clare were and was just standing there.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
Don't think that was Cody. Lohan looks in a state of shock at how bad Clare were and was just standing there.
Which Manager is technically supposed to make the move? Coady was looking over, but was not moving. Lohan was defiantly looking ahead with no movement. Ignored by RTE.
Quote from: TheMistro on July 02, 2022, 07:06:46 PM
Can Kilkenny play as good against Limerick in the final ?Coady will relish in underdog role again.
Limerick have to overcome Galway first. Hard to know what level Limerick are at this year the two close games against Clare in Munster and watching Clare today leaves question marks.
What a mess of a performance by Clare. Losing conlon before the throw in wouldn't have helped. The shooting from long range was brutal, they should have worked the ball closer in before shooting.
Kilkenny on the other hand were very slick, skillful and confident. They will be looking forward to the final.
Fair fucks to KK and Cody. Have they the talent to win it out? Probably not, but workrate...definitely.
Apart from.Luimneach, there isn't much difference between Munster and Leinster.
After all his and Kilkenny's success Cody can still get the disrespected underdog performance from his teams , might not be enough to beat limerick if they get there but he's a master of the psychological side of game .game.
Say what you want but more often than not Cody has his team to the right pitch, I can't remember seeing them play as badly as Clare did today. It was some brainless stuff from them. Short passing and then taking the low percentage shot from out the field
Not long back from it and I think we picked the wrong SF. The bookies had it tight with Clare narrow favourites but it was a disastrous outing for Clare. 24 wides is a shocking statistic. Some drive back to Clare after watching your team put on a show like that.
Was a poor a performance I've seen in long time
Todays match reminds me of the 1994 Munster final between Clare and Limerick which I was at. Limerick beat a fancied Clare side 25 points to 2 goals and 10 for Clare. A year later and we all know what happened. Clare overpowered Limerick to win and went on to win the All Ireland.
I don't see Kilkenny gooing on to win the All Ireland this year. Could Clare win the All Ireland next year?
Were KK very good or Clare very poor, or was it a mixture of both? That's the question.
The interview with Cody after is telling. He seems happy, if Cody can be happy. He even picked a few players out for praise before qualifying it. He knew it was a big game and KK delivered.
T.J., again dominated and still has so much to offer in open play. Created a lot of scores and chipped in with 3 from play. Their shot selection was good. Man in the best position always got the ball. Adrian Mullan unreal again. Must get an All-Star at this stage. Another 4 or 5 points from play. Finds pockets of space very cleverly.
Defence was very good. Never realy, apart from once, offered a goal scoring opportunity to Clare. Huw Lawlor really impresses me - a Cody like full back. Butler did a job on TK. As I said, needs a really focused player to do that. Very discliplined. Deegan does the simple things well but sometimes takes too much out of yet and then throws out a loose hand pass and coughs the ball up. He's a soldier but needs to tidy that up.
Mossie K's place may be under pressure. Train8ng will be interesting over the next 10 days.
Murphy's puck outs were varied and decent enough. The option is always there to go long to T.J. and Wally.
Clare were very flat. Never got going. Davy Fitz and Diarmuid Ryan showed well early on but needed more help. The goal they conceded just before half-time killed the game. Supporters never really got a chance to get behind Clare.
Losing Conlon in the warm up disrupted them more than people thought. He is a key player. A big loss, especially in the air. He's a good holding No. 6. Fitzpatrick didn't get into it at all and was subbed. KK moved their forwards about and it unsettled the Clare defenders.
No interview from Lohan at the end. He should have faced the music, however gutted he was. Maybe the Munster series took a lot out of them. KK just know how to time everything correctly. I'd say Clare, and Lohan, will be the better for this experience next year. Croke Park really is a different place, and an inforgiving one at times!
Need a big game from Shefflin and Galway today.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 02, 2022, 10:51:29 PM
Todays match reminds me of the 1994 Munster final between Clare and Limerick which I was at. Limerick beat a fancied Clare side 25 points to 2 goals and 10 for Clare. A year later and we all know what happened. Clare overpowered Limerick to win and went on to win the All Ireland.
I don't see Kilkenny gooing on to win the All Ireland this year. Could Clare win the All Ireland next year?
Or the 84 centenary final. Cork hammered Offaly. Offaly won the following year. All depends on what Clare learn.
What a class atmosphere and seems a great game this minor hurling all Ireland final with Offaly Tipperary
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
What a class atmosphere and seems a great game this minor hurling all Ireland final with Offaly Tipperary
Serious work going on within Offaly GAA structures, the U20 footballers last season and now this great minor hurling team. Hopefully they can go on to win it today.
Good game so far
Quote from: Gael80 on July 03, 2022, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
What a class atmosphere and seems a great game this minor hurling all Ireland final with Offaly Tipperary
Serious work going on within Offaly GAA structures, the U20 footballers last season and now this great minor hurling team. Hopefully they can go on to win it today.
It's incredible stuff for a county that size. Delighted for them. What an atmosphere they brought today,. a credit.
Moment of madness from Corbett,the tipp 13, to throw the hurl. Down to 14 men now when tipp are trailing.
OMG!!!
Some comeback
That's a sickener surely it was a free out before that. Pure robbery
Get the f**king cameras off the weans crying.
Ref very sore on Offaly in last few mins I thought.
Tipp do an Offaly on Offaly. That must be sickening, Offaly much the better team.
Who is the referee? Was definitely a free out it seemed and he gave a free in instead. Big counties get all the favourable refereeing as usual
Jaysus. Sport can be harsh. The big dad holdin back the tears holdin the wee girl cryin... thats my sunday ruined
Offaly robbed. Referee done his best for Tipp.
I thought it was a free out as well. Very disappointing for Offaly, they deserved the win.
Load of Tipp ones on RTE bigging it up barely mentioning Offaly.
A tribute to the RNLI at Croke Park. They won't like that on TFK.
Game could be over if Galway don't wake up soon.
Some start for Limerick, accuracy from Limerick is top notch
Typical Galway soft underbelly
Galway with wides, and missing a 35m free, all about attitude u approach the game.
I said Galways score/shot ratio needs to be good.
Too many wides and poor shot selection.
Needs to improve big time.
Galway now missed a easy free and another close enough in with no pressure on him, think Whelan, can't afford to do that.
Half time Limerick 0-16 Galway 0-12. More competitive than yesterday but when Limerick led 6-1 it didn't look that way.
Different dynamic to the Clare match
How many shades of blue jackets can you get ?
What are the 2 in yellow gear and helmets doing ?
Let me know when Conor Whelan turns up, Galway have some no of wides.
Quote from: Gmac on July 03, 2022, 04:26:20 PM
What are the 2 in yellow gear and helmets doing ?
Is it about water safety? They had it a few years ago also.
During the summer.
As i said yesterday with the manner Clare lost there was question marks as to where Limerick are this year and Galway are asking plenty of questions of them now.
1-14 to 0-16 ahead 45 minutes played.
Limerick continually getting bottled up coming out of defence. Yet keep doing it.
The amount of wides Galway have clocked up criminal.
Yet more illegal throwing of the ball...they may as well just change the rules now
All Ireland champions find a way to win, what if for Galway. FT 0-27 1-21
I take Kilkenny to beat them on today's performance.
Quote from: tintin25 on July 03, 2022, 05:00:37 PM
Yet more illegal throwing of the ball...they may as well just change the rules now
The ref rightly caught at least 3 or 4.. fouling the ball happens in all sports, do we change the rules or just call them when you can?
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2022, 02:47:05 PM
Be hard to look past Limerick in the other semi-final.
Always waiting on Galway to explode and produce a bit of consistency. Shefflin will need them to produce a full on performance with 70+ % scoring/shot ratio. Nothing as bad as when going well, then hit 2 or 3 wides in a row. Just sucks the air out of a team.
Galway need a good few points from play from Cooney, Monaghan and Concannon etc. Plus goals.
Rumours that Ger Mac won't make it. Cooney at No. 6 or maybe even David Burke. I'd let Cathal Mannion roam, pick off passes and pick off a few scores from play. He's key for Galway, even moreso than Whelan as Finn and Nash will be hanging out of him inside.
You know what Limerick will bring. Needs to be matched. Harder said than done.
This is my message from a few days ago.
1. Scoring/shot killed Galway.
2. Monaghan hit some great points from play. Really found his form again.
3. Cathal Mannion moved out around the middle third and picked off points. Was wasted in front of Gillane. Needs to be given a free role.
4.They matched Limerick's intensity and workrate.
Conor Cooney is seriously underperforming in most games I've watched. With the natural skill he has should be nearly scoring as many from play as he goes from frees
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2022, 02:47:05 PM
Be hard to look past Limerick in the other semi-final.
Always waiting on Galway to explode and produce a bit of consistency. Shefflin will need them to produce a full on performance with 70+ % scoring/shot ratio. Nothing as bad as when going well, then hit 2 or 3 wides in a row. Just sucks the air out of a team.
Galway need a good few points from play from Cooney, Monaghan and Concannon etc. Plus goals.
Rumours that Ger Mac won't make it. Cooney at No. 6 or maybe even David Burke. I'd let Cathal Mannion roam, pick off passes and pick off a few scores from play. He's key for Galway, even moreso than Whelan as Finn and Nash will be hanging out of him inside.
You know what Limerick will bring. Needs to be matched. Harder said than done.
This is my message from a few days ago.
1. Scoring/shot killed Galway.
2. Monaghan hit some great points from play. Really found his form again.
3. Cathal Mannion moved out around the middle third and picked off points. Was wasted in front of Gillane. Needs to be given a free role.
4.They matched Limerick's intensity and workrate.
Henry needs to give you a call :)
From Gaastatsman
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Riveting second half despite a lot of wides at both ends. Limerick had that bit of extra craft to create space in those last 10 mins. Hard luck to Galway.
Ros news
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1543619181836472320
Brian Concannon catches the Limerick defence napping after a long puck forward. Great catch and finish for the goal
Roscommon football superfan Paddy Joe Burke among those cheering on Galway's leveller
33 odd wides, the standard of Hurling dropped, with lighter sliothair and wider hurl, they take pot shots from anywhere these days.
From a Galway pov the performance was encouraging. After 4 years in the wilderness Galway turned on the intensity and should improve more next year.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1543651754394394624
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
I thought it was a free out as well. Very disappointing for Offaly, they deserved the win.
The sunday game ignored the trip of the Offaly defender coming out with the ball. The ref should have given a free out and glory to Offaly.
Back from Nolan park, took a trip home for it. Fantastic atmosphere and where in the world would you get 27K for an U17 game.
Offaly had great backs, loved the ability to flick the ball away from Tipp. However they hit too many wides throughout the game, some very storable. The sending off changed the game, Offaly retreated to defend the goal and were happy to let Tipp chip away. I know there was a lot of questions about the foul on Furlong in the last passage of play but I question the free in when Tipp were 4 pts down. Not sure what it was for. Offaly the better team but they will have to learn from the game
Great to see Offaly back at a major final!
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
I thought it was a free out as well. Very disappointing for Offaly, they deserved the win.
The sunday game ignored the trip of the Offaly defender coming out with the ball. The ref should have given a free out and glory to Offaly.
Didn't see The Sunday Game but I'm sure they don't want to go in too hard on a group of young lads.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
I thought it was a free out as well. Very disappointing for Offaly, they deserved the win.
The sunday game ignored the trip of the Offaly defender coming out with the ball. The ref should have given a free out and glory to Offaly.
And about 50 other fouls in the game including several thrown balls. If we are going to clean up the game then lets have a serious conversation about the rules rather than focusing on fouls in the last minute of big games.
Quote from: didlyi on July 03, 2022, 11:30:50 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
I thought it was a free out as well. Very disappointing for Offaly, they deserved the win.
The sunday game ignored the trip of the Offaly defender coming out with the ball. The ref should have given a free out and glory to Offaly.
And about 50 other fouls in the game including several thrown balls. If we are going to clean up the game then lets have a serious conversation about the rules rather than focusing on fouls in the last minute of big
games.
Hurling at senior level nowadays is ridiculous, pure physicality, everything is let go, apart from every now and then the ref decides to call a throw ball (this when about 95% of handpasses are throws according to the rules). It seems to have gotten worse, more macho over the past few years? Players are impressive physical specimens and they aren't afraid to use that physicality.
They highlighted that young Offaly corner forward last night, my thoughts were that he may never show up at senior as he doesn't look like he has the frame to bulk up and develop to a level where he can make an impact?
I've also been moaning about the lack of goals and goal chances, most of which imo is down to the ridiculous ease with which points are scored. The incentive has to be changed, 5 points for a goal might make coaches try and focus on creating goal chances?
Quote from: onefineday on July 04, 2022, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: didlyi on July 03, 2022, 11:30:50 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
I thought it was a free out as well. Very disappointing for Offaly, they deserved the win.
The sunday game ignored the trip of the Offaly defender coming out with the ball. The ref should have given a free out and glory to Offaly.
And about 50 other fouls in the game including several thrown balls. If we are going to clean up the game then lets have a serious conversation about the rules rather than focusing on fouls in the last minute of big
games.
Hurling at senior level nowadays is ridiculous, pure physicality, everything is let go, apart from every now and then the ref decides to call a throw ball (this when about 95% of handpasses are throws according to the rules). It seems to have gotten worse, more macho over the past few years? Players are impressive physical specimens and they aren't afraid to use that physicality.
They highlighted that young Offaly corner forward last night, my thoughts were that he may never show up at senior as he doesn't look like he has the frame to bulk up and develop to a level where he can make an impact?
I've also been moaning about the lack of goals and goal chances, most of which imo is down to the ridiculous ease with which points are scored. The incentive has to be changed, 5 points for a goal might make coaches try and focus on creating goal chances?
Confused with this one...
In the senior game the ref called the blatant ones he could see for himself in real time, not the slow mo multiple replays we get as viewers, have you a source for the 95% stat you threw up?
Goals just don't come about, and ultimately your keeper is there to stop goals, so well done keepers on doing your job
The sport is all about winning, so players taking the 100% chance (the point) over the 50% chance will take their points, the old saying "take your points the goals will come" springs to mind, been plenty of goals this year
As for the young Offaly player who'll never get big enough to play senior? WTF he's either 16 or 17 years old he has at least 6 years to develop into a man and be physically bigger and fitter to play senior. Offaly are getting to senior level but not there yet, so time on his side to develop
As for letting it go, its been tightened up considerably, no tackles from around the neck up, as for the physicality of the players, would you prefer them to be skinny? The size and strength of the players is one reason why they have the accuracy power and endurance to pick off scores
As for increasing the what you get for a goal why not just make it ten or even make the goals bigger.... 3 is plenty
Absolutely no evidence on the handpasses - but that's long been my impression, it's an unpoliceable rule, so it should be amended to one that refs can actually call out.
My point around goals aligns pretty much with yours, there's no incentive to try and work a goal, the advent of stats has confirmed that. Better to try and thump a few over from 100yds, misses are acceptable because the maths still makes sense. The easiest way to change that equation is to bump up the value of a goal, plus, to my mind, goals are so much more fun and make the game more entertaining for players and spectators and at the end of the day, that's what we want.
Nicky English had similar thoughts in this article:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/nicky-english-making-goals-worth-five-points-could-work-wonders-for-hurling-1.4596191
As for the physicality, my point is that not everyone will/can develop to the levels that top intercounty players are currently at, and with how the game has gone, that will make it very difficult for those players to compete at the top level. To my hurling uneducated mind, there was room for such players in the past, but modern hurling allows physicality to be an attribute way beyond what it ever was in the past. It's not dirty play necessarily, but to me looks borderline all the time, smaller players will get manhandled and refs seem reluctant to call fouls unless blatantly obvious and even then....
You basically need to be a beast to play inter county hurling these days.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2022, 10:05:36 AM
You basically need to be a beast to play inter county hurling these days.
Tony Kelly, Shane O'Donnell and Cian Lynch etc. etc.
It looks as though the chasing pack bridged most of the gap to Limerick. Can the cats skin them ?
Quote from: onefineday on July 04, 2022, 10:01:21 AM
Absolutely no evidence on the handpasses - but that's long been my impression, it's an unpoliceable rule, so it should be amended to one that refs can actually call out.
My point around goals aligns pretty much with yours, there's no incentive to try and work a goal, the advent of stats has confirmed that. Better to try and thump a few over from 100yds, misses are acceptable because the maths still makes sense. The easiest way to change that equation is to bump up the value of a goal, plus, to my mind, goals are so much more fun and make the game more entertaining for players and spectators and at the end of the day, that's what we want.
Nicky English had similar thoughts in this article:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/nicky-english-making-goals-worth-five-points-could-work-wonders-for-hurling-1.4596191
As for the physicality, my point is that not everyone will/can develop to the levels that top intercounty players are currently at, and with how the game has gone, that will make it very difficult for those players to compete at the top level. To my hurling uneducated mind, there was room for such players in the past, but modern hurling allows physicality to be an attribute way beyond what it ever was in the past. It's not dirty play necessarily, but to me looks borderline all the time, smaller players will get manhandled and refs seem reluctant to call fouls unless blatantly obvious and even then....
We move with the times, physical fitness is part and parcel of most sports, even snooker players have developed from the 70's and look at every angle in which they can improve their game..
You have to adopt to the times we had over 50 scores yesterday, would we prefer a scoreline of 5-8 to 1-24? Scores are scores and if someone can score from 90 meters on the move that is some skill, you should try that sometime just to see how difficult it is, these guys make it look easy because the practice/train most of their days from the age of 6 ..
Small players, what can I say, I'm 5/6 never played senior county, played county juvenile for few years and played senior for club well into my 40's, size has its place, and if I was still playing I'd have to adopt my game, get stronger go to the gym (which we never did as players) and adopt accordingly.
As for the throws, a handpass can be changed to play the pass off the stick first, still think that the ref is policing it as best as he can, and few years ago there was something mentioned about a clear gap from the ball/hand, and if not pull them up, it went away for a bit, the throws were being coached and copied, there used to be the tap the ball on the stick and take another 4 steps, thats been sorted and they don't do it as much now
Quote from: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2022, 10:05:36 AM
You basically need to be a beast to play inter county hurling these days.
Tony Kelly, Shane O'Donnell and Cian Lynch etc. etc.
a) they're are exceptions to that rule though not that many and b) Lynch is built like a tank, look at the arms on Kelly and there's no way O'Donnell is running through boys the way he is unless he is strong as a bull.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2022, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2022, 10:05:36 AM
You basically need to be a beast to play inter county hurling these days.
Tony Kelly, Shane O'Donnell and Cian Lynch etc. etc.
a) they're are exceptions to that rule though not that many and b) Lynch is built like a tank, look at the arms on Kelly and there's no way O'Donnell is running through boys the way he is unless he is strong as a bull.
They aint no beasts! There is still plenty of room for small players if your good enough. If your good and 6'4 then it helps for sure.
An enjoyable weekends hurling which went completely the opposite way to what I and many others expected
Kilkenny simply blew Clare away. John Conlon was a bad miss but so was Tony Kelly and he was on the pitch for 70 minutes. Kudos to Mikey Butler for the man marking job, highly impressive. Clare really lacked leaders with those two players missing or missing in action and the game was over by half time.
Limerick started like a train looking to blow Galway away. Fair play to Galway for hanging in there. Second half was excellent stuff. its not often you will see Tom Morrisey and Hegarty both being subbed with the game in the balance. Limericks calmness and knowhow just got them over the line. Perhaps teams are finally catching up with Limerick as eventually happened the Cats. Waterford, Clare twice and now Galway have given them serious championship games this season. The fact that Limerick remain unbeaten is more credit to them.
Looking forward to the final, hopefully its a classic.
What really frustrates me about the modern game is when a players with the ball in hand gets surrounded by 3 or 4 players he has the easy option of handpassing 'throwing' the ball out of the tackle. It ridicules all the hard work of defending. If the defenders manage to stop him they will most likely have to foul him with a spare hand so now we have another layer of issues with the handpass.
Most legitimate one handed handpasses are fancy throws TBH and when there are too many of them it waters down the skill factor in the game. I sincerely hope something is done soon, it has to happen!
Quote from: didlyi on July 04, 2022, 11:25:18 AM
What really frustrates me about the modern game is when a players with the ball in hand gets surrounded by 3 or 4 players he has the easy option of handpassing 'throwing' the ball out of the tackle. It ridicules all the hard work of defending. If the defenders manage to stop him they will most likely have to foul him with a spare hand so now we have another layer of issues with the handpass.
Most legitimate one handed handpasses are fancy throws TBH and when there are too many of them it waters down the skill factor in the game. I sincerely hope something is done soon, it has to happen!
If Croke keep at the ref's to be more stringent on the handpass, blow for it if its not definitive, some passes that have been pulled for throws have actually when slowed down and checked at various angles have been a handpass.. so either handpass off the stick or allow the underhand 'throw' I wouldn't be for that though tbh.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2022, 12:26:41 PM
Quote from: didlyi on July 04, 2022, 11:25:18 AM
What really frustrates me about the modern game is when a players with the ball in hand gets surrounded by 3 or 4 players he has the easy option of handpassing 'throwing' the ball out of the tackle. It ridicules all the hard work of defending. If the defenders manage to stop him they will most likely have to foul him with a spare hand so now we have another layer of issues with the handpass.
Most legitimate one handed handpasses are fancy throws TBH and when there are too many of them it waters down the skill factor in the game. I sincerely hope something is done soon, it has to happen!
If Croke keep at the ref's to be more stringent on the handpass, blow for it if its not definitive, some passes that have been pulled for throws have actually when slowed down and checked at various angles have been a handpass.. so either handpass off the stick or allow the underhand 'throw' I wouldn't be for that though tbh.
Even the mention of allowing throws gets a negative reaction from everyone yet we continue to allow the rules to be broken so they can do exactly that. Only in GAA
Heart goes out to the Offaly minors, but the Tipp lads kept battering away till the fat lady cleared her throat, got the goal at the death to literally steal that game, but that's the way it goes.
And yes, the Offaly lad did look to have been fouled on the way out just before the ball was dropped in for the final goal, hard to stomach and all that for these young lads, but the future of Offaly hurling looks on the up if they can keep feeding the conveyor belt with lads of this quality for the next while.
As for Clare, they (a) didn't show the same ruthlessness and hit an awful lot of poor wides albeit from distance which were splitting the posts in Munster and (b) Kilkenny upped their game to a level they hadn't reached so far in this championship and were the better team all over the pitch. Who'd write them off in the final against Limerick now, I wouldn't.
Still, it's a positive year for Clare as no one expected them to get to out of Munster, let alone a semi-final, but once they got there they were favourites to win but Cody knows best at this level.
Limerick did just enough to put away a spirited Galway and will know that won't be enough in two weeks time but unsure if Kilkenny will enjoy the sort of aerial dominance they had over Clare..
Kilkenny's plan B will be tested a lot more stringently as well.
Roll on the final.
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We move with the times, physical fitness part parcel of most sports, even snooker players have developed from the 70's and look at every angle in which they can improve their game..
You have to adopt to the times we had over 50 scores yesterday, would we prefer a scoreline of 5-8 to 1-24? Scores are scores and if someone can score from 90 meters on the move that is some skill, you should try that sometime just to see how difficult it is, these guys make it look easy because the practice/train most of their days from the age of 6 .
On the physical side, the impression I get is that refs let loads of things go and more skilful players don't get the protection they deserve.
Re the scorelines, I would absolutely prefer 5-8 to 1-24. I have no doubt about the skill involved in tapping over from 100yds, that's doesn't make it something I enjoy watching, yes, once or twice it's great, but time after time, no thanks. As English pointed out in that article, who remembers points really? Maybe a few particularly significant ones or a sideline cut or two, but when it's more than a shot a minute with a 50/50 split between point and wide, does it not get a little bit boring for everyone else too? Am I the exception here?
The thing is and as you probably know from my puke football contributions, we don't have to accept that times have changed and that's it, rules can be tweaked to achieve a desired outcome, it happens in other sports and to my mind there's an argument for changes in hurling too. A proper black card would be another that needs introduction, football's needs work, but at least it's something. The refusal to embrace a black card/sin bin is emblematic of hurling's 'macho' culture.
Quote from: onefineday on July 04, 2022, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2
We move with the times, physical fitness part parcel of most sports, even snooker players have developed from the 70's and look at every angle in which they can improve their game..
You have to adopt to the times we had over 50 scores yesterday, would we prefer a scoreline of 5-8 to 1-24? Scores are scores and if someone can score from 90 meters on the move that is some skill, you should try that sometime just to see how difficult it is, these guys make it look easy because the practice/train most of their days from the age of 6 .
On the physical side, the impression I get is that refs let loads of things go and more skilful players don't get the protection they deserve.
Re the scorelines, I would absolutely prefer 5-8 to 1-24. I have no doubt about the skill involved in tapping over from 100yds, that's doesn't make it something I enjoy watching, yes, once or twice it's great, but time after time, no thanks. As English pointed out in that article, who remembers points really? Maybe a few particularly significant ones or a sideline cut or two, but when it's more than a shot a minute with a 50/50 split between point and wide, does it not get a little bit boring for everyone else too? Am I the exception here?
The thing is and as you probably know from my puke football contributions, we don't have to accept that times have changed and that's it, rules can be tweaked to achieve a desired outcome, it happens in other sports and to my mind there's an argument for changes in hurling too. A proper black card would be another that needs introduction, football's needs work, but at least it's something. The refusal to embrace a black card/sin bin is emblematic of hurling's 'macho' culture.
Black car is in hurling now at intercounty level, I'm surprised you didn't know that
Tweaking football rules, so since the 70's the GAA has been tweaking rules, you could handpass the ball into the net back in the day, that was changed for the better.. then came a load of changes that tbh I haven't actually seen the rule changes as making football any better, in fact it creates more issues..
If you feel that football was better in the 70's then go watch your local junior club team, you will not be disappointed, or stick to juvenile games, highly entertaining and no defensive set ups
As I said, if you feel striking a ball 70/80 yards off the run (while being chased down) is simple, go try it.
As for goals, Limerick and Kilkenny on the way to the final have been involved in games that have produced 31 goals...
In the Munster championship there was on average 3 goals a game.
So if you prefer loads of goals go watch a under 10's tournament or a team that are far stronger that the other and you'll get that.
Some people harp on about the past, well the past is over and we've got a new style, it will adopt and change again over time, tactics will have a large part to play in that
Offaly minors robbed judging on highlights. Tipp scored 1-1 where the ref didn't award offaly deserved clear frees plus he didn't allow advantage following the throwing of the hurl, offaly had the ball in the net within seconds.
Quote from: Link on July 04, 2022, 04:39:36 PM
Offaly minors robbed judging on highlights. Tipp scored 1-1 where the ref didn't award offaly deserved clear frees plus he didn't allow advantage following the throwing of the hurl, offaly had the ball in the net within seconds.
Did keeper not save that shot then the ball was pulled on and went wide?
Did they not then get a free?
Definate free out for Offaly for the 'goal free'.
Tipp forward run in and timed his run well to connect at full height. He had the run on the static Offaly backs. Some finish to a game.
Quote from: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: Link on July 04, 2022, 04:39:36 PM
Offaly minors robbed judging on highlights. Tipp scored 1-1 where the ref didn't award offaly deserved clear frees plus he didn't allow advantage following the throwing of the hurl, offaly had the ball in the net within seconds.
Did keeper not save that shot then the ball was pulled on and went wide?
Did they not then get a free?
Definate free out for Offaly for the 'goal free'.
Tipp forward run in and timed his run well to connect at full height. He had the run on the static Offaly backs. Some finish to a game.
thought it went in, cheers for the correction.
Quote from: Link on July 04, 2022, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: Link on July 04, 2022, 04:39:36 PM
Offaly minors robbed judging on highlights. Tipp scored 1-1 where the ref didn't award offaly deserved clear frees plus he didn't allow advantage following the throwing of the hurl, offaly had the ball in the net within seconds.
Did keeper not save that shot then the ball was pulled on and went wide?
Did they not then get a free?
Definate free out for Offaly for the 'goal free'.
Tipp forward run in and timed his run well to connect at full height. He had the run on the static Offaly backs. Some finish to a game.
thought it went in, cheers for the correction.
The Tipp lad had already smacked an Offaly player on the side of the helmet in the lead up to the same lad "spearing" the hurl at the Offaly lad about to cut inside.
That was a dangerous action as you'd see and the lad needs a big suspension for it.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 05, 2022, 08:16:55 AM
Quote from: Link on July 04, 2022, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: Link on July 04, 2022, 04:39:36 PM
Offaly minors robbed judging on highlights. Tipp scored 1-1 where the ref didn't award offaly deserved clear frees plus he didn't allow advantage following the throwing of the hurl, offaly had the ball in the net within seconds.
Did keeper not save that shot then the ball was pulled on and went wide?
Did they not then get a free?
Definate free out for Offaly for the 'goal free'.
Tipp forward run in and timed his run well to connect at full height. He had the run on the static Offaly backs. Some finish to a game.
thought it went in, cheers for the correction.
The Tipp lad had already smacked an Offaly player on the side of the helmet in the lead up to the same lad "spearing" the hurl at the Offaly lad about to cut inside.
That was a dangerous action as you'd see and the lad needs a big suspension for it.
I'd say lad just threw the hurl and 9 times out of 10, it misses the intended player. But the way the butt connected on the ear was dangerous alright.
At the time, I'd say Offally were happy enough - a handy free in, a red card for Tipp, plus maybe more importantly at that time, 2 mins off the clock with that incident.
Missed the game, was traveling home from Donegal, where would you get to see it?
Social media has went to town on the ref, can't comment on his performance until I see game
So how many points up were Offaly with an extra man with how long left?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2022, 09:34:05 AM
Missed the game, was traveling home from Donegal, where would you get to see it?
Social media has went to town on the ref, can't comment on his performance until I see game
So how many points up were Offaly with an extra man with how long left?
try TG4, they do reruns
As for the ref, he's be lauded in other circles for "letting the game flow" if he'd blown for the trip at the end which would have allowed Offaly to clear the ball, but ended up in a free for Tipp who lopped it in the air and smashed it into the net.
Fine margins for a ref as well.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2022, 09:34:05 AM
Missed the game, was traveling home from Donegal, where would you get to see it?
Social media has went to town on the ref, can't comment on his performance until I see game
So how many points up were Offaly with an extra man with how long left?
It was just one incident at the very end.
Offaly lad was barged in back (clear free out) but ref. missed it/didn't give it. Tipp won back possession in the same play seconds later and got a free themselves, which the resultant goal came from.
Like most people, I thought it was irrelevant at the time as 99% of time, the high ball is cleared out and ref. blows his whistle for full time.
Tough one for Offaly.
The more footage and photos I see from Adare Manor makes me worry that Limerick are going to pay a price for it in the final.
Brian Cody would never allow himself or his team be on a jolly like that in the build up to an All Ireland.
Obviously it's a sore one for Offaly but I don't think post-mortems about the ref ever make anyone feel better. He just did the classic thing of helping the team that had fallen behind and were a man down.
In another parallel universe Offaly could have run away with the game and won handsomely. Had Robinson not been speared by a flying stick he possibly would have been more composed to finish the goal chance. At 8 points up I don't think even the most dogged Tipp team would have come back.
And maybe that would be a worse scenario. A group of underage players over confident in their superiority may not be hungry enough to push on in the future.
Tipp stuck at it even though were mostly hanging on and there's a great lesson there too.
Result aside, it's a big turnaround for Offaly. Not so many years ago Laois, Carlow, Westmeath would be expected to beat Offaly at minor and Offaly would have been struggling with Kildare and Meath.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 05, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
The more footage and photos I see from Adare Manor makes me worry that Limerick are going to pay a price for it in the final.
Brian Cody would never allow himself or his team be on a jolly like that in the build up to an All Ireland.
Funny, I was thinking that myself.
Cody wouldn't have distractions like that, especially with only a two week turn around.
Still Limerick's to lose.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 05, 2022, 12:39:31 PM
Obviously it's a sore one for Offaly but I don't think post-mortems about the ref ever make anyone feel better. He just did the classic thing of helping the team that had fallen behind and were a man down.
In another parallel universe Offaly could have run away with the game and won handsomely. Had Robinson not been speared by a flying stick he possibly would have been more composed to finish the goal chance. At 8 points up I don't think even the most dogged Tipp team would have come back.
And maybe that would be a worse scenario. A group of underage players over confident in their superiority may not be hungry enough to push on in the future.
Tipp stuck at it even though were mostly hanging on and there's a great lesson there too.
Result aside, it's a big turnaround for Offaly. Not so many years ago Laois, Carlow, Westmeath would be expected to beat Offaly at minor and Offaly would have been struggling with Kildare and Meath.
Indeed, as I saw a quote somewhere that half the current Limerick senior team lost an AI minor title potentially due to an issue with Hawkeye or the likes back in the day.
Use that pain to drive them on to U20 and beyond.
Flew home to see the minor match, yes we're starved of good teams in Offaly over the past 20 years. It's easy to point out that one incident that should have been a free however Offaly should never have left that in a Refs hands. They should have been out of sight but started to defend the goal for the last 5 mins, that's inviting trouble. There were a couple of factors, unfamiliar territory for Offaly made them nervous, and the amount of subs brought on due to cramps in the last 6-7 mins showed the lack of depth in the squad.
Very proud of the young lads and hopefully this will make them stronger for the future. Great to see their first touch and wrist flicks when defending, reminded me of the 90's hurlers. I do hope they stick together and bring Offaly back to the top table in hurling. Huge credit also to the county board and the work they are doing at underage level. Fantastic weekend even if heartbreaking to loose
Last comment, fair play to the Tipp team, they kept chipping away and never panicked. Well done on the win, that shouldn't be devalued because to the free questions.
I be taking Kilkenny to beat them.
Still not sure on that. KK have had teams playing big hopeful balls into forwards on them all year and it's meat and drink to them. The kind of ball that Gillane and Kennedy get it's hard to play them. The problem is Limerick pull the half forwards back a bit to give them that space. If KK can find a way round that maybe they have hope but the likes of the way Gillane played sunday he's just unmarkable. I rarely want KK to win but for a change I'd rather see them win. Still undecided whether I think Cody is great or whether I don't like him at all lol.
Kilkenny great odds at 5/2. Coady have a plan.
Quote from: TheMistro on July 06, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
Kilkenny great odds at 5/2. Coady have a plan.
If Kilkenny do win, will we see him step down with another top team left for someone else to take over?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 06, 2022, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: TheMistro on July 06, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
Kilkenny great odds at 5/2. Coady have a plan.
If Kilkenny do win, will we see him step down with another top team left for someone else to take over?
I don't think so. Otherwise Henry would have stayed.
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2022, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 06, 2022, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: TheMistro on July 06, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
Kilkenny great odds at 5/2. Coady have a plan.
If Kilkenny do win, will we see him step down with another top team left for someone else to take over?
I don't think so. Otherwise Henry would have stayed.
??
Has Henry committed to Galway for another year?
Not sure what you're saying.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2022, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: onefineday on July 04, 2022, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2
We move with the times, physical fitness part parcel of most sports, even snooker players have developed from the 70's and look at every angle in which they can improve their game..
You have to adopt to the times we had over 50 scores yesterday, would we prefer a scoreline of 5-8 to 1-24? Scores are scores and if someone can score from 90 meters on the move that is some skill, you should try that sometime just to see how difficult it is, these guys make it look easy because the practice/train most of their days from the age of 6 .
On the physical side, the impression I get is that refs let loads of things go and more skilful players don't get the protection they deserve.
Re the scorelines, I would absolutely prefer 5-8 to 1-24. I have no doubt about the skill involved in tapping over from 100yds, that's doesn't make it something I enjoy watching, yes, once or twice it's great, but time after time, no thanks. As English pointed out in that article, who remembers points really? Maybe a few particularly significant ones or a sideline cut or two, but when it's more than a shot a minute with a 50/50 split between point and wide, does it not get a little bit boring for everyone else too? Am I the exception here?
The thing is and as you probably know from my puke football contributions, we don't have to accept that times have changed and that's it, rules can be tweaked to achieve a desired outcome, it happens in other sports and to my mind there's an argument for changes in hurling too. A proper black card would be another that needs introduction, football's needs work, but at least it's something. The refusal to embrace a black card/sin bin is emblematic of hurling's 'macho' culture.
Black car is in hurling now at intercounty level, I'm surprised you didn't know that
Tweaking football rules, so since the 70's the GAA has been tweaking rules, you could handpass the ball into the net back in the day, that was changed for the better.. then came a load of changes that tbh I haven't actually seen the rule changes as making football any better, in fact it creates more issues..
If you feel that football was better in the 70's then go watch your local junior club team, you will not be disappointed, or stick to juvenile games, highly entertaining and no defensive set ups
As I said, if you feel striking a ball 70/80 yards off the run (while being chased down) is simple, go try it.
As for goals, Limerick and Kilkenny on the way to the final have been involved in games that have produced 31 goals...
In the Munster championship there was on average 3 goals a game.
So if you prefer loads of goals go watch a under 10's tournament or a team that are far stronger that the other and you'll get that.
Some people harp on about the past, well the past is over and we've got a new style, it will adopt and change again over time, tactics will have a large part to play in that
Hurling has a black card rule?? Somebody ought to tell the referees!!
Both sports have black card rules that are ridiculously specific - better off to copy rugby and have a sin bin for a yellow card offence and be done with it. We want to clean up our games and have a bit more respect for refs, then 10 mins in a sin bin would put paid to a lot of the nonsense that goes on.
I have no problem with tactics or defensive set-ups, most sports evolve, tactics evolve and rules are changed to negate tactics.
Re goals - Galway won the 2017 All Ireland without scoring a goal from the Leinster quarter final onwards. 2020 - Limerick scored goals in one of their five games en-route to the title (3 games with no goals from either side). In fact I just found an article from 2020 which has the following in it:
Goal-scoring has dropped to a record low, down 40 per cent from the 1980s when the average per game stood at 4.3. It dropped to 3.3 in the 1990s and continued around that rate until 2016 when another sharp decline set in. Since then the average has been 2.6 per game.
We analysed the scoring returns from every championship game for the past 40 years (see panels) and the findings show that hurling has changed at an incredible rate.
While the goal rate is dropping, overall scoring totals are increasing. The average in the period 2016-2020 stands at 51 points, compared to 37 in the 1980s. It increased to 38 in the 1990s and to 44 in 2000-2015. Since then, it was shot up to over 50.I don't like the possession based, shoot from anywhere game played by megatrons that most top level hurling is nowadays, most people seem to love it - fair enough. On your point of shooting on the run etc, if that's how most scores were obtained, I suppose at least that would be something, but if that's the case, why does TJ, Kelly, Chin etc regularly chalk up double digit point scores per games from frees?
If players are fouling then it's a free and if the player can stick it over the bar that's ok, or should we just blind fold him?
Black cards have been used, seen it a few times this year, so ref's are using it.
There is possession and running games going on all over the country..
Losing possession wildly is not acceptable and looks daft to give it up, playing the odds, giving the ball to the 'free' man or best placed player is sensible
Again I'm not sure what period of hurling you are looking for, but the players are stronger fitter more skilled and smarter now.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 01:21:49 PM
If players are fouling then it's a free and if the player can stick it over the bar that's ok, or should we just blind fold him?
Black cards have been used, seen it a few times this year, so ref's are using it.
There is possession and running games going on all over the country..
Losing possession wildly is not acceptable and looks daft to give it up, playing the odds, giving the ball to the 'free' man or best placed player is sensible
Again I'm not sure what period of hurling you are looking for, but the players are stronger fitter more skilled and smarter now.
I think my starting points on this thread were to point out the lack of protection players seem to get and to encourage more creative attacking play resulting in goal chances versus the long range efforts. I think a simple experiment upping the value of goals would be pretty simple to introduce and monitor and to my mind would improve the spectacle. Both sports need an effective sin bin and both need the whole rule book especially appeals procedures rewritten to make them watertight.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40912115.html
Jesus ger Brennan sounds a bit of a gimp
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 09, 2022, 09:54:44 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40912115.html
Jesus ger Brennan sounds a bit of a gimp
A bit of a non story I'd have thought.
Some lad from the Vincents has saw O'Donnell play for his club, Whitehall a few times and thinks if he commits to the football, he'll get better..
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2022, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 09, 2022, 09:54:44 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40912115.html
Jesus ger Brennan sounds a bit of a gimp
A bit of a non story I'd have thought.
Some lad from the Vincents has saw O'Donnell play for his club, Whitehall a few times and thinks if he commits to the football, he'll get better..
2 points i thought stood out. Slagging off the hurlers and also saying he couldnt believe the eye he had for the bigball after playing hurling all year. Sweet Lord
I wonder will Cian Lynch start on Sunday?
I don't think they'd risk Peter Casey but Lynch could come in for Graeme Mulcahy say, give him the No. 15 jersey and give him a free role - let him loose.
Be harder for KK to get all their match ups right for this one - a lot of firefighters required.
I'd put Lawlor on Gillane, Butler on Lynch (if he starts) and Tommy Walsh on Seamie Flannagan.
Limerick need a big performance from their half-forward line - haven't been up to their usual high standards. Hego and Tom Morrissey are due big games.
Quote from: marty34 on July 11, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
I wonder will Cian Lynch start on Sunday?
I don't think they'd risk Peter Casey but Lynch could come in for Graeme Mulcahy say, give him the No. 15 jersey and give him a free role - let him loose.
Be harder for KK to get all their match ups right for this one - a lot of firefighters required.
I'd put Lawlor on Gillane, Butler on Lynch (if he starts) and Tommy Walsh on Seamie Flannagan.
Limerick need a big performance from their half-forward line - haven't been up to their usual high standards. Hego and Tom Morrissey are due big games.
Whilst Casey and Lynch both came on vrs Galway, I don't recollect either touching the ball and may be a fair bit off the pace, so I can't see either being risked to start on Sunday.
Limerick may start with their regular set of forwards but Mulcahy does look to be the first man off although Tom Morrissey hasn't been great this year either and may be at risk.
Pat Ryan to start ;)
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2022, 02:13:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 11, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
I wonder will Cian Lynch start on Sunday?
I don't think they'd risk Peter Casey but Lynch could come in for Graeme Mulcahy say, give him the No. 15 jersey and give him a free role - let him loose.
Be harder for KK to get all their match ups right for this one - a lot of firefighters required.
I'd put Lawlor on Gillane, Butler on Lynch (if he starts) and Tommy Walsh on Seamie Flannagan.
Limerick need a big performance from their half-forward line - haven't been up to their usual high standards. Hego and Tom Morrissey are due big games.
Whilst Casey and Lynch both came on vrs Galway, I don't recollect either touching the ball and may be a fair bit off the pace, so I can't see either being risked to start on Sunday.
Limerick may start with their regular set of forwards but Mulcahy does look to be the first man off although Tom Morrissey hasn't been great this year either and may be at risk.
Pat Ryan to start ;)
I'm nearly sure Lynch will start - twice POTY and sitting on bench.
He got 10 mins the last time and will have 2 weeks training behind him so he's too good not to start.
I'd say Peter Casey will be on before Pat Ryan. Ryan has never really pushed on since scoring 'that goal' V Cork in etra-time a few years ago.
David Reidy is another who'll be pushing for a place although he seems to be more suited to a sub role in games. Seems better coming off the bench. Had a big impact the last day out. Again, I think he'll be on before Ryan.
Quote from: marty34 on July 11, 2022, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2022, 02:13:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 11, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
I wonder will Cian Lynch start on Sunday?
I don't think they'd risk Peter Casey but Lynch could come in for Graeme Mulcahy say, give him the No. 15 jersey and give him a free role - let him loose.
Be harder for KK to get all their match ups right for this one - a lot of firefighters required.
I'd put Lawlor on Gillane, Butler on Lynch (if he starts) and Tommy Walsh on Seamie Flannagan.
Limerick need a big performance from their half-forward line - haven't been up to their usual high standards. Hego and Tom Morrissey are due big games.
Whilst Casey and Lynch both came on vrs Galway, I don't recollect either touching the ball and may be a fair bit off the pace, so I can't see either being risked to start on Sunday.
Limerick may start with their regular set of forwards but Mulcahy does look to be the first man off although Tom Morrissey hasn't been great this year either and may be at risk.
Pat Ryan to start ;)
I'm nearly sure Lynch will start - twice POTY and sitting on bench.
He got 10 mins the last time and will have 2 weeks training behind him so he's too good not to start.
I'd say Peter Casey will be on before Pat Ryan. Ryan has never really pushed on since scoring 'that goal' V Cork in etra-time a few years ago.
Pat is gone after getting up close and personal with a Tipp player earlier on in the year allegedly.
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I wonder will Cian Lynch start on Sunday?
I don't think they'd risk Peter Casey but Lynch could come in for Graeme Mulcahy say, give him the No. 15 jersey and give him a free role - let him loose.
Be harder for KK to get all their match ups right for this one - a lot of firefighters required.
I'd put Lawlor on Gillane, Butler on Lynch (if he starts) and Tommy Walsh on Seamie Flannagan.
Limerick need a big performance from their half-forward line - haven't been up to their usual high standards. Hego and Tom Morrissey are due big games.
Whilst Casey and Lynch both came on vrs Galway, I don't recollect either touching the ball and may be a fair bit off the pace, so I can't see either being risked to start on Sunday.
Limerick may start with their regular set of forwards but Mulcahy does look to be the first man off although Tom Morrissey hasn't been great this year either and may be at risk.
Pat Ryan to start ;)
I'm nearly sure Lynch will start - twice POTY and sitting on bench.
He got 10 mins the last time and will have 2 weeks training behind him so he's too good not to start.
I'd say Peter Casey will be on before Pat Ryan. Ryan has never really pushed on since scoring 'that goal' V Cork in etra-time a few years ago.
Pat is gone after getting up close and personal with a Tipp player earlier on in the year allegedly.
Was it him who was involved that time?
Didn't know that JC.
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Quote from: marty34 on July 11, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
I wonder will Cian Lynch start on Sunday?
I don't think they'd risk Peter Casey but Lynch could come in for Graeme Mulcahy say, give him the No. 15 jersey and give him a free role - let him loose.
Be harder for KK to get all their match ups right for this one - a lot of firefighters required.
I'd put Lawlor on Gillane, Butler on Lynch (if he starts) and Tommy Walsh on Seamie Flannagan.
Limerick need a big performance from their half-forward line - haven't been up to their usual high standards. Hego and Tom Morrissey are due big games.
Whilst Casey and Lynch both came on vrs Galway, I don't recollect either touching the ball and may be a fair bit off the pace, so I can't see either being risked to start on Sunday.
Limerick may start with their regular set of forwards but Mulcahy does look to be the first man off although Tom Morrissey hasn't been great this year either and may be at risk.
Pat Ryan to start ;)
Pat Ryan is gone from the panel after that nightclub incident with a portroe player the night Limerick bet Tipperary this year
Heading down hoping for a better game than last year...
If Kilkenny get the start they have been getting lately it will be a tougher game for Limerick, it will be on the edge tackling from start to finish, will Kilkenny match Limerick's physicality? They will for most parts, but maybe not over 70+ minutes, their accuracy has been solid and will need to be, think they'll still need a couple of goals to have a chance.
Cody will be feeling at home on Sunday, there won't be any nerves come match day from either team
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I wonder will Cian Lynch start on Sunday?
I don't think they'd risk Peter Casey but Lynch could come in for Graeme Mulcahy say, give him the No. 15 jersey and give him a free role - let him loose.
Be harder for KK to get all their match ups right for this one - a lot of firefighters required.
I'd put Lawlor on Gillane, Butler on Lynch (if he starts) and Tommy Walsh on Seamie Flannagan.
Limerick need a big performance from their half-forward line - haven't been up to their usual high standards. Hego and Tom Morrissey are due big games.
Whilst Casey and Lynch both came on vrs Galway, I don't recollect either touching the ball and may be a fair bit off the pace, so I can't see either being risked to start on Sunday.
Limerick may start with their regular set of forwards but Mulcahy does look to be the first man off although Tom Morrissey hasn't been great this year either and may be at risk.
Pat Ryan to start ;)
Pat Ryan is gone from the panel after that nightclub incident with a portroe player the night Limerick bet Tipperary this year
I think he was joking!
Hawkeye being tested this week to see if it's going to be used for Sunday's All-Ireland Final.
Could you trust it again, especially for hurling?
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:26:29 PM
Hawkeye being tested this week to see if it's going to be used for Sunday's All-Ireland Final.
Could you trust it again, especially for hurling?
If they are going to use it Croke Park would need to be putting out some sort of bulletin with test data or the likes to prove to us doubters that the issues are indeed resolved as last thing we need on Sunday is a contentious decision involving Hawkeye in what could be a close game.
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Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:26:29 PM
Hawkeye being tested this week to see if it's going to be used for Sunday's All-Ireland Final.
Could you trust it again, especially for hurling?
If they are going to use it Croke Park would need to be putting out some sort of bulletin with test data or the likes to prove to us doubters that the issues are indeed resolved as last thing we need on Sunday is a contentious decision involving Hawkeye in what could be a close game.
Is it the same system that's used for tennis?
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Quote from: johnnycool on July 13, 2022, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:26:29 PM
Hawkeye being tested this week to see if it's going to be used for Sunday's All-Ireland Final.
Could you trust it again, especially for hurling?
If they are going to use it Croke Park would need to be putting out some sort of bulletin with test data or the likes to prove to us doubters that the issues are indeed resolved as last thing we need on Sunday is a contentious decision involving Hawkeye in what could be a close game.
Is it the same system that's used for tennis?
I believe so, well at Wimbledon they call it Hawkeye as well.
Colm Bonnar "relieved" of duties for Tipp. Ouch.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2022, 09:00:05 AM
Colm Bonnar "relieved" of duties for Tipp. Ouch.
Aye, meeting was last night.
Kind of disappointed with that. Tippare in a state of change. I think he should have got another year. Bit shortsighted in my opinion.
Would Cahill be an option?
His stock kind of lowered this year so not sure.
Yeah I thought Bonnar needed some time. I think Tipp in transition and they lost Maher this year which was a massive blow leadership wise. That was hardly his fault. Should have had another year anyway IMO.
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His stock kind of lowered this year so not sure.
Yeah I thought Bonnar needed some time. I think Tipp in transition and they lost Maher this year which was a massive blow leadership wise. That was hardly his fault. Should have had another year anyway IMO.
Yeah, I agree. They just don't have the players at the minute but Bonnar brought a few through this year and had a few more on the panel.
I'm sure he himself is disappointed with that.
Maybe Gleeson?
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His stock kind of lowered this year so not sure.
Yeah I thought Bonnar needed some time. I think Tipp in transition and they lost Maher this year which was a massive blow leadership wise. That was hardly his fault. Should have had another year anyway IMO.
Yeah, I agree. They just don't have the players at the minute but Bonnar brought a few through this year and had a few more on the panel.
I'm sure he himself is disappointed with that.
Maybe Gleeson?
They must have someone in the pipeline or this wouldn't have happened..
Can't see Gleeson get it yet, he's still a bit of a penance to serve in the hurling wilderness before he would be considered.
Darragh Egan more likely if Cahill stays put with Waterford.
Can't remember Tipp going outside the county.
Bonnar lost the dressing room due to the training regime not being up to scratch
When players are being put through more intensive and modern routines with their clubs,you have a problem
Cahill not happy with the carryon in Waterford from the likes of the Bennett's and McGrath agitating behind the scenes
Having won a minor,an u20 and a u21 with the younger members of the panel
He's the front runner if he doesn't have the job already
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2022, 09:00:05 AM
Colm Bonnar "relieved" of duties for Tipp. Ouch.
Aye, meeting was last night.
Kind of disappointed with that. Tipp are in a state of change. I think he should have got another year. Bit shortsighted in my opinion.
Would Cahill be an option?
Very shortsighted. Tipp need a few years before they can be hurling properly again. They went too long with the old team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBW8Vnp8BzU
Quote from: clonadmad on July 14, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Bonnar lost the dressing room due to the training regime not being up to scratch
When players are being put through more intensive and modern routines with their clubs,you have a problem
Cahill not happy with the carryon in Waterford from the likes of the Bennett's and McGrath agitating behind the scenes
Having won a minor,an u20 and a u21 with the younger members of the panel
He's the front runner if he doesn't have the job already
I thought Tipp people wouldn't want him back after picking Waterford last year? Maybe people are fickle.
What's the craic with the Bennetts?
Is Mc Grath an option for the Laois seniors, with him in guiding the minors?
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Colm Bonnar "relieved" of duties for Tipp. Ouch.
Aye, meeting was last night.
Kind of disappointed with that. Tipp are in a state of change. I think he should have got another year. Bit shortsighted in my opinion.
Would Cahill be an option?
Very shortsighted. Tipp need a few years before they can be hurling properly again. They went too long with the old team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBW8Vnp8BzU
Bonnar had lost the dressing room
That's why he effectively got fired
Quote from: clonadmad on July 14, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Bonnar lost the dressing room due to the training regime not being up to scratch
When players are being put through more intensive and modern routines with their clubs,you have a problem
Cahill not happy with the carryon in Waterford from the likes of the Bennett's and McGrath agitating behind the scenes
Having won a minor,an u20 and a u21 with the younger members of the panel
He's the front runner if he doesn't have the job already
Derek? What's he been up to?
Cahill has brought Waterford on since McGraths reign, no doubt, but the championship run petered out terribly for them and that might take some getting over.
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Quote from: clonadmad on July 14, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Bonnar lost the dressing room due to the training regime not being up to scratch
When players are being put through more intensive and modern routines with their clubs,you have a problem
Cahill not happy with the carryon in Waterford from the likes of the Bennett's and McGrath agitating behind the scenes
Having won a minor,an u20 and a u21 with the younger members of the panel
He's the front runner if he doesn't have the job already
Derek? What's he been up to?
Cahill has brought Waterford on since McGraths reign, no doubt, but the championship run petered out terribly for them and that might take some getting over.
Is he still not helping Laois minors?
Wonder would he be interested in their senior team? Bit of travel though.
Mc Grath always seem to mention Waterford players in his Sunday Game slot when he was covering their game on TSG - as if he was still in touch with them etc.
Cain Lynch seems to have picked up another injury and not likely to feature on Sunday.
Does the pendulum swing slightly to the Cats?
Limerick are better geared defensively to nullify the kilkenny aerial game irrespective of who rotates where.
Both Finn and Casey will be comfortable with either TJ or Eoin Cody in company, heck so would Nash if push come to shove so if the aerial possession isn't garnering scores to the same extent they did vrs Clare then the scores will need to come from long distance and that will be a true test of the new found ability to play through the lines as Limerick are the masters of turn overs in their opponents defensive area.
Do Limerick start with Mulcahy and Morrissey in the forwards? Whilst Mulcahy offers a busy presence in there he's ineffectual a lot of the time in the scoring front, Tom hasn't been great either this year TBH but seems to start, but with Peter Casey available, does one lose out or do they start the same and bring on players?
Not sure Lyons will let them at it in the same way Keenan did in the Munster final and that may suit Kilkenny IMO as TJ will put everything between the posts and so might Guillane and Byrnes but no one wants to see a free taking fest with loads of yellows dished out..
Roll on Sunday..
Another factor on Sunday will be the heat - going to be late 20's by all accounts. Serious heat.
I suppose better losing Lynch now than having him on and getting injured and 'wasting' a sub. Don't know if Casey fully ready yet, he came back very very quick. Lynch, in my opinion, would have started. Again David Reidy good at coming off the bench so Kiely might keep him under wraps until 20 mins to go. Only other one could be Cathal O'Neill, who has had loads of game time but is still young. Might go with Mulcahy in there, take him out and free up space for Gillane and Flannagan. Can't see Hego, Tom M, etc. all mis-firing as bad again.
Limerick have probably the most under-rated player in O'Donovan at mid-field. Creates a lot and is alway busy in there. A lot of unseen work. Will O is more of an enforcer, alà Mick Fennelly.
I wonder would Cody throw WW in there and put him and T.J. on the square? Maybe keep that as an option?
Should be a cracker.
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Another factor on Sunday will be the heat - going to be late 20's by all accounts. Serious heat.
I suppose better losing Lynch now than having him on and getting injured and 'wasting' a sub. Don't know if Casey fully ready yet, he came back very very quick. Lynch, in my opinion, would have started. Again David Reidy good at coming off the bench so Kiely might keep him under wraps until 20 mins to go. Only other one could be Cathal O'Neill, who has had loads of game time but is still young. Might go with Mulcahy in there, take him out and free up space for Gillane and Flannagan. Can't see Hego, Tom M, etc. all mis-firing as bad again.
Limerick have probably the most under-rated player in O'Donovan at mid-field. Creates a lot and is alway busy in there. A lot of unseen work. Will O is more of an enforcer, alà Mick Fennelly.
I wonder would Cody throw WW in there and put him and T.J. on the square? Maybe keep that as an option?
Should be a cracker.
WW would be a wrecking ball in there, but I don't rate his hurling at this level, very slow and laboured. He's the opposite of being able to get a stroke away in phone box, he needs a good half acre. In those heavy exchanges he'd need to go in a clear a Limerick man or two out and leave the ball for some of the other lads.
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Another factor on Sunday will be the heat - going to be late 20's by all accounts. Serious heat.
Looks like a warm on alright. A return of the water breaks?
QuoteIreland will experience a hot spell Sunday and into early next week. Day time temperatures will widely reach the high twenties, possibly exceeding 30 degrees in some locations.
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Quote from: marty34 on July 14, 2022, 01:06:03 PM
Another factor on Sunday will be the heat - going to be late 20's by all accounts. Serious heat.
Looks like a warm on alright. A return of the water breaks?
QuoteIreland will experience a hot spell Sunday and into early next week. Day time temperatures will widely reach the high twenties, possibly exceeding 30 degrees in some locations.
the return of Maor Uisce's it seems.
Fingers crossed for a good one , heading down Saturday. Think we need a ding dong after Clare's poor semi showing
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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 14, 2022, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 14, 2022, 01:06:03 PM
Another factor on Sunday will be the heat - going to be late 20's by all accounts. Serious heat.
Looks like a warm on alright. A return of the water breaks?
QuoteIreland will experience a hot spell Sunday and into early next week. Day time temperatures will widely reach the high twenties, possibly exceeding 30 degrees in some locations.
the return of Maor Uisce's it seems.
Aye, let them run on and off.
Going to be hot.
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
Didn't hear tickets were a problem this year... people tightening their belts.. Transport, food, drinks, and ticket can add up to an expensive day or overnight accommodation adds more to that!
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Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
Didn't hear tickets were a problem this year... people tightening their belts.. Transport, food, drinks, and ticket can add up to an expensive day or overnight accommodation adds more to that!
Thats my feeling, people really feeling it, but hope it sells out. £550-600 is what I expect it to cost us(depending on how the drinks go Sat). I usually go up and down just
Cahill gone from Waterford.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
Cahill gone from Waterford.
Let the musical chairs begin.
Wee Davy will be on the sniff...
He won't get Tipp, so the Dubs or back to the Blah's it is..
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Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
Didn't hear tickets were a problem this year... people tightening their belts.. Transport, food, drinks, and ticket can add up to an expensive day or overnight accommodation adds more to that!
Thats my feeling, people really feeling it, but hope it sells out. £550-600 is what I expect it to cost us(depending on how the drinks go Sat). I usually go up and down just
Well that cost of living payment should help with the costs ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
Cahill gone from Waterford.
Tipperary manager early next week
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
Cahill gone from Waterford.
Tipperary manager early next week
Would expect so.
Who takes over in Waterford, the Ballygunnar manager, O'Sullivan or is there too much interclub rivalry for that?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2022, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
Didn't hear tickets were a problem this year... people tightening their belts.. Transport, food, drinks, and ticket can add up to an expensive day or overnight accommodation adds more to that!
Thats my feeling, people really feeling it, but hope it sells out. £550-600 is what I expect it to cost us(depending on how the drinks go Sat). I usually go up and down just
Well that cost of living payment should help with the costs ;D
Cross border tax sorted me out there thank feck
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Quote from: clonadmad on July 15, 2022, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
Cahill gone from Waterford.
Tipperary manager early next week
Would expect so.
Who takes over in Waterford, the Ballygunnar manager, O'Sullivan or is there too much interclub rivalry for that?
Derek McGrath with brick walsh
Any word on who's in for the Dublin job?
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2022, 06:12:17 PM
Any word on who's in for the Dublin job?
After Dessie gets the boot I'd say Jim Gavin will be asked back
Cian Lynch ruled out of the All-Ireland final. Not on match day panel.
No Lynch in Limerick's 26. Mulcahy starts in the corner.
Brown and Kenny in KK's mid-field. Padraig Walsh named at 11.
Will there be any personnel changes at 3:25 pm on Sunday?
Bad form from Tipp sacking Bonnar like that. Even worse the way they have clearly tapped up Liam Cahill for the job.
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
There was some on general sale in 2019 as well. Hurling doesn't have the same pool of neutrals interested in going and Kilkenny is a small county population wise.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 15, 2022, 11:31:15 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
There was some on general sale in 2019 as well. Hurling doesn't have the same pool of neutrals interested in going and Kilkenny is a small county population wise.
I'd say the opposite. Hurling would have the diehards from everywhere, thars my experience and I've been at loads of both codes
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 15, 2022, 11:31:15 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
A few Nally Stand tickets on Ticketmaster today
There was some on general sale in 2019 as well. Hurling doesn't have the same pool of neutrals interested in going and Kilkenny is a small county population wise.
You would want to be a real die hard neutral to spend the money required to see this game. Most neutral hurling fans do not live in Dublin. The main reason for the fall off in ticket sales is cost and other factors maybe no minor match, people on holidays or other events.
Are hurling final tickets not generally easier to come by?
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Are hurling final tickets not generally easier to come by?
Not in my experience.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2022, 05:57:34 PM
Are hurling final tickets not generally easier to come by?
Seems to Be the case. Much lower turn out for the two hurling semi finals this year compared football also.
Kilkenny of all the major hurling counties have the smallest supporter base
Good luck in getting a ticket if it had been Limerick v Clare
or any of the other counties v Limerick
I never failed in getting a ticket but most years had a great source for them, there was a year recently that I couldn't get a ticket for love nor money..
It just depends on who's in the final sometimes
Hard to know which way this one will go. On the basis of form versus Clare you would fancy Kilkenny. But it is just too hard to write off Limerick. I will go for the draw.
I still think Limerick will just be too good. Kk very physical but Limerick still for me at another level. I hope I am wrong.
Unless that is the rumours about Gillane and Flanagan having COVID are true...
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 17, 2022, 02:11:36 PM
Hard to know which way this one will go. On the basis of form versus Clare you would fancy Kilkenny. But it is just too hard to write off Limerick. I will go for the draw.
Would be picking Kilkenny if one was to judge teams on how they played against Clare alright.
That first half by Kilkenny against Clare was a good as any hurling played this year however Limerick have the most potential and room for improvement and if they click today they should be winning by a few points.
Kk putting up a good fight but that limerick team are phenomenal.
Half time the champions showing why they are champions. Fantastic goal to get them going and a number of outstanding long distance points. 1-17 to 0-16.
KK still within touching distance and haven't really clicked yet, saving it for the sec weond half in that heat
There probably is no answer though.
Good response by Limerick to the two goals conceded. 1-25 to 2-19 55 minutes played.
Nice to see Cody losing. It's not 2007.
Fine effort by Kilkenny died with their boots on. Congratulations to Limerick three in a row All-Ireland titles secured and will be the team to beat again next year. Limerick 1-31 Kilkenny 2-26
What a f**king game that was. Brilliant.
Kilkenny just don't know how to give up fair play to them even if I'm delighted they lost 😂
Jesus Christ what a game. The most intense, relentless game I've ever seen and for lads to do it in that heat is just something else. Hegarty and a little bit of inexperience from a few KK lads the difference.
Limerick able to win finals that was theirs to lose. Dublin dominance ended ln football while this Limerick hurling dominance has a few years left yet.
Limerick rarely make mistakes and kk made a few more. What a game. Walter Walsh fairly rattled Limerick. Reid fantastic as ever but wanted a goal on about 65 minutes hen he could have had a point.
Limerick's half forward line phenomenal. Kilkenny fb line not too far behind either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2022, 05:13:28 PM
Limerick rarely make mistakes and kk made a few more. What a game. Walter Walsh fairly rattled Limerick. Reid fantastic as ever but wanted a goal on about 65 minutes hen he could have had a point.
Limerick's half forward line phenomenal. Kilkenny fb line not too far behind either.
Other than Deegan having nothing for Hegarty, don't think anyone from KK could have done much more. Keoghan a bit disappointing perhaps but Lawlor on Gillane was superb.
That all said, the fact Lynch was missing can't be ignored. Might have been a bit more comfortable for them.
Cody will have seen enough that he'll not be going anywhere I suspect.
Have you ever seen the likes of the points that were scored in that game, unbelievable scores.
What a game.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2022, 05:13:28 PM
Limerick rarely make mistakes and kk made a few more. What a game. Walter Walsh fairly rattled Limerick. Reid fantastic as ever but wanted a goal on about 65 minutes hen he could have had a point.
Limerick's half forward line phenomenal. Kilkenny fb line not too far behind either.
Other than Deegan having nothing for Hegarty, don't think anyone from KK could have done much more. Keoghan a bit disappointing perhaps but Lawlor on Gillane was superb.
That all said, the fact Lynch was missing can't be ignored. Might have been a bit more comfortable for them.
Cody will have seen enough that he'll not be going anywhere I suspect.
Peter Casey too(for a half). Really Mulcahy adds significantly less than rest of forwards.
Law lord best fb about. Butler up there with corner backs though limerick's aren't too shabby. Nash close to poty.
Lawlor did a decent number on Gillane today. Thought he was very quiet, but they had enough to spare with Hegarty on his game. #HegoSaysPrego ???
Croke park have got some time out of Glory Days by the boss this year. Played after every single game.
Fair play to both teams. A Great final, up there with 2014.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2022, 05:12:33 PM
Limerick able to win finals that was theirs to lose. Dublin dominance ended ln football while this Limerick hurling dominance has a few years left yet.
mystic meg
Unreal game.
Cats never give up. Limerick, and Hegarty especially comes good on the big days.
Be hard to pick an All-Star team from that.
Huw Lawlor an under-rated full back.
How many wides had both teams?
Hf line hegarty Hayes Reid. Fb line Finn, lawlor, Nash. Room for some other teams in other lines.
Quote from: marty34 on July 17, 2022, 06:35:52 PM
Unreal game.
Cats never give up. Limerick, and Hegarty especially comes good on the big days.
Be hard to pick an All-Star team from that.
Huw Lawlor an under-rated full back.
How many wides had both teams?
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2022, 05:12:33 PM
Limerick able to win finals that was theirs to lose. Dublin dominance ended ln football while this Limerick hurling dominance has a few years left yet.
Hard to know. Depends what the others do.
Cody not used to being bridesmaid.
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2022, 05:12:33 PM
Limerick able to win finals that was theirs to lose. Dublin dominance ended ln football while this Limerick hurling dominance has a few years left yet.
Hard to know. Depends what the others do.
Kilkenny couldn't have done much more today, i believe the highest ever score for losing All-Ireland Finalists. The Dublin 6 in row football team in part can thank what others did.
You just can't make any mistakes at all with Limerick. Reid will be gone soon from KK too. He had a major influence on a lot of KK scores there and will be a very hard act to follow.
I don't know Limerick's average age but I don't think it would be too old.
I do think Galway will be the best placed to topple them but it'll be a while.
Kilkenny lost because they had a poor start and gave them a lead they couldn't claw back.. job done
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2022, 07:19:57 PM
Kilkenny lost because they had a poor start and gave them a lead they couldn't claw back.. job done
Kilkenny did draw level 2nd half. Limerick was not fazed by that and having the extra gear proved the difference.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2022, 07:19:57 PM
Kilkenny lost because they had a poor start and gave them a lead they couldn't claw back.. job done
Apart from the times that they did claw it back though....
Quote from: Turf on July 17, 2022, 07:59:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2022, 07:19:57 PM
Kilkenny lost because they had a poor start and gave them a lead they couldn't claw back.. job done
Apart from the times that they did claw it back though....
Kilkenny needed to start well, they didn't, the goals glossed over the obvious cracks in their game..,
I believe had they been on target in the first half and prevented the easy scores Limerick got they would have picked up title 37..
from were I was sitting, the runs Limerick made in the forward line was just opening up Kilkenny and their puck out strategy was woeful
Don't think it was the start at all. Limerick just had more. Limerick have a significant array of scoring options and Kilkenny don't have the same.
I did think the ref gave Limerick a few ones that he didn't need to and might have been tighter.
You have to give kk huge credit for their battling but for me Limerick always stepped up when they needed to and are that bit better. Walter Walsh rattled them significantly mind you.
Kilkenny are not good enough. End of.
2015 is a long time ago now.
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
Kilkenny are not good enough. End of.
2015 is a long time ago now.
Good game but it was lost along the line. Cody got the big calls wrong and his puckout strategy was poor. Limerick will be stronger again next year.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 17, 2022, 06:44:16 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 17, 2022, 06:35:52 PM
Unreal game.
Cats never give up. Limerick, and Hegarty especially comes good on the big days.
Be hard to pick an All-Star team from that.
Huw Lawlor an under-rated full back.
How many wides had both teams?
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Thanks.
71% and 72% shot/score ratio - that's fantastic in a final especially in that heat.
Unreal.
Quote from: lenny on July 17, 2022, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
Kilkenny are not good enough. End of.
2015 is a long time ago now.
Good game but it was lost along the line. Cody got the big calls wrong and his puckout strategy was poor. Limerick will be stronger again next year.
Let's see. The winning margin wasn't so high this year.
Since 2000, The roll of honour counts
Kilkenny 11
Tipperary 4
Limerick 4
Cork 2
Clare 1
Galway 1
Cork have really fallen off the stage as a super-power in Hurling.
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
Kilkenny are not good enough. End of.
2015 is a long time ago now.
Arguably the Kilkenny performance today was as good if not better than a number of All Ireland winning performances including that win 2015. You need to focus on how good Limerick are now. I recall you saying after Limerick beat Waterford in the 2020 All Ireland final that Limerick wouldn't be back the following year, not only have they come back but they have got stronger each year.
Quote from: lenny on July 17, 2022, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
Kilkenny are not good enough. End of.
2015 is a long time ago now.
Good game but it was lost along the line. Cody got the big calls wrong and his puckout strategy was poor. Limerick will be stronger again next year.
Was like feeding peanuts to a bear first half
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 17, 2022, 11:13:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 17, 2022, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
Kilkenny are not good enough. End of.
2015 is a long time ago now.
Good game but it was lost along the line. Cody got the big calls wrong and his puckout strategy was poor. Limerick will be stronger again next year.
Was like feeding peanuts to a bear first half
The defender couldn't control the short puck outs and none could control the long puck outs!! Woeful and so unlike Kilkenny
Sunday game team of the year.
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Camera flashed to sideline at one point, Cody and his back room team seemed to be at odds.. I dont buy game was lost in first half. Yes KK looked off it at times but they drew level in the last 10 mins and the game was there for them to go on and win at that stage.. ultimately they couldn't and limerick do West they do best. Saw it out
I am far from an expert in hurling but the last two years in particular have thrown up 2 points that imo need made after todays brilliant spectacle
1) +ve the manilness/integrity/toughness physicality of the players has to be applauded (footballers take note) and celebrated - the aerobic output plus physicality was outstanding (however can't make head nor tail of what's a foul or not - thought Kilkenny in the last 10 where hard done by looking on from the work they needed to do to get a free v Limerick)
2) Does the sliotar design need amending to stop the outrageously long points being taken - I know this is really political and sensitive on some parts as well as appreciating the skill and technique level but there seems in the last 15 mins it was a game of who could find space anywhere and they had the power to try it - it was bit like tennis particularly Hegartys point nearly on his own 40, brilliant score but the question is should he even be thinking of taking a score there?
People have been talking for years about the weight of the sliotar. That's not the issue at all in my opinion, it's the size of the bás on all the hurlers these days. Because of the short passing game, lads are using 33 and 34 inch hurleys with a bás that you'd have only seen on a keeper hurl 15 years ago. They're like shovels.
Quote from: gallsman on July 18, 2022, 06:55:44 AM
People have been talking for years about the weight of the sliotar. That's not the issue at all in my opinion, it's the size of the bás on all the hurlers these days. Because of the short passing game, lads are using 33 and 34 inch hurleys with a bás that you'd have only seen on a keeper hurl 15 years ago. They're like shovels.
Hurlers themselves are physically stronger I would have thought also compared to even a decade ago.
Surely that would play a part in being able to puck the ball that much longer.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0815/1069043-hurling-bas/
Michael Duignan, the two-time All-Ireland winner, who will be one of the 1994 Offaly team honoured before tomorrow's game prior to joining Marty Morrissey on RTÉ2 commentary duty.
"We used to use longer hurls because you needed them to generate more power. They are shorter now, harder to hook.
"The sliotar is lighter and there's a bigger bas. The older bas was hardly the width of a ball sure.
"It's definitely easier to control the ball and the striking is easier, you can see it with scores from all angles.
The shortening of the hurl is detrimental to ground hurling, the shorter the hurl means you can rise it one-handed an awful lot quicker. There is more control with a shorter hurley."
Ok so we change the size of stick and weight of ball... what is it you are looking to improve on the game? And when the players adopt to these changes and still rack up scores what will we do?
You would have to introduce a medicine ball to stop Gearoid Hegarty pointing from 80 metres!
Think we should make them wear clown shoes to slow then down, the drunk glasses would also lessen the accuracy
Quote from: gallsman on July 18, 2022, 06:55:44 AM
People have been talking for years about the weight of the sliotar. That's not the issue at all in my opinion, it's the size of the bás on all the hurlers these days. Because of the short passing game, lads are using 33 and 34 inch hurleys with a bás that you'd have only seen on a keeper hurl 15 years ago. They're like shovels.
Byrnes hurl hasn't got an overly big bás if you look at it.
The hurls likes the Cork lads preferred don't feature so much now as they did, O'Connor hurls IIRC but they are definitely much shorter and the sliotars, whether it be the materials used or the rims do travel much further than they did in the 90's and 00's.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 17, 2022, 11:13:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 17, 2022, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
Kilkenny are not good enough. End of.
2015 is a long time ago now.
Good game but it was lost along the line. Cody got the big calls wrong and his puckout strategy was poor. Limerick will be stronger again next year.
Was like feeding peanuts to a bear first half
In the first half limerick were happy for KK to go long from Murphy as they could funnel men back to win the breaking ball, and when KK did go short it was to Mikey Butler who wasn't overly confident picking a pass through the Limerick attack and went long anyway. TJ done his damnest all the same.
The odd time they did it right, the picked off nice scores, Padraig Walsh drifted into the large space 50/60 metres out and was found with a good ball from Deegan .
The introduction of Wally Walsh gave them a platform in their puckouts for a while before being inevitably being found out and drifting out of the game but credit where its due, he was directly involved in the first KK goal and the second was caused by the panic he brought into the Limerick defence.
Credit where it's due and Kilkenny never wilted, never threw in the towel and kept pummeling away. but Limerick just were able to take the scores to open up the lead time and time again, big Hegarty does love an AI final evidently and gave a masterclass in everything, catching, control in tight confines, shooting from all angles and distances and the goal was a bullet from a pretty tight angle. His partner in crime wasn't far behind, in Hayes who also contributed hugely on the day.
Three in a row and 4 in 5 years is some achievement and they'll be there or there abouts for a while yet.
Whatever happened to the chipped, weighed ball the Gaa were to introduce this year. It was to have an exact weight and rim dimensions and I thought it was being introduced at U20 level??
Not wanting to take away from the Great final yesterday but not a single thrown ball was blown by the ref. Will O Donoghue for example throws every pass he makes and hes not alone. If the refs start blowing the whistle again in January for this then its farcical.
A great game in many ways but players are flicking the ball over the bar effortlessly from 100 yards out. It's getting like basketball and a score barely registers with the crowd until the last 10 minutes of a tight game.
Quote from: didlyi on July 18, 2022, 09:34:41 AM
Whatever happened to the chipped, weighed ball the Gaa were to introduce this year. It was to have an exact weight and rim dimensions and I thought it was being introduced at U20 level??
Not wanting to take away from the Great final yesterday but not a single thrown ball was blown by the ref. Will O Donoghue for example throws every pass he makes and hes not alone. If the refs start blowing the whistle again in January for this then its farcical.
The chipped ball was/is nothing more than the GAA trying to regain control of that revenue stream.
Quote from: Ash Smoker on July 18, 2022, 09:52:59 AM
A great game in many ways but players are flicking the ball over the bar effortlessly from 100 yards out. It's getting like basketball and a score barely registers with the crowd until the last 10 minutes of a tight game.
Flicking it effortlessly over the bar from 100 yards... looks easy, take a dander down to your pitch tonight then tell me how effortless those strikes are
Kilkenny would have won plenty of All-Irelands with that performance yesterday - they were unreal. I didn't think they would perform as good. Their total score would have won most, if not all, All-Irelands. You know what you are going to get with them, regardless of ability i.e. heart, passion and a never give up attitude. Whether that's a KK trait or a Cody thing over the years, I don't know. They just seem to hang in there, on the coat tails until the end.
Their subs made a good impact. Wally, Donnelly (who should have got a free near the end) and Hogan etc. all got scores. Blanchfield did well also, caught a great ball and scored a point. Thinking ahead, I'd say Cody has him ear-marked for Hego next year. Get him on a S&C programme over the winter. He was good in the league but young and raw for championship. That's probably Hogan's last game in a KK jersey - what a player. Pity a ball didn't break between him and Finn near the goals in the last few minutes. Great servant.
All debateable obviously but T.J. for me, is the greatest player ever. How much did he set up yesterday? - unreal. No reason why he can't keep going. Fitness not a problem to him yesterday.
Murphy's puck-out's weren't great - just hit it long basically and a taste of Cody's motto of win your own ball. Even his short ones weren't on the money - a bit high and not to hand. Maybe no movement for him or players not offering for the short option but Wally and T.J. gave that outball in the 2nd half.
Limerick are such a joy to watch. No sense of panic at all. Just controlled passing in tight spaces. A fantastic performance over the 74 mins. They never focussed on the league, rested certain players and developed Cathal O'Neill and Boylan etc. and it has paid off. Strengthened their panel and gave them game time. With the league and championship so close together, you could see a lot of teams do the same next year - unless the championship is stretched out another two or three weeks.
How good was Hego yesterday? Turns up on the biggest of days, swots lads aside and hits 70m points for fun. The umpire was probably fed up seeing him with the ball in hand. Only thing is he needs a man-marker. Deegan, althought he got two points, he was too loose in his marking. In fairness, Hegarty some man for finding pockets of space. He knows how to do it. Adrian Mullan very similiar at finding space also. One thing, Hegarty's pick up for his goal was shockingly good - watch it again. Under pressure his deft touch cutting across the hurl was magic. Never mind the finish.
I could write so much more about this game but it will go down in history. What a game.
Both sets of panels and management are to be commended for giving us a game like this in such stifling heat. No dramatics from the players, give and take a belt and just get on with it. Play the ball and go for the next one.
Well done to all involved.
Hegarty's goal. The skill was unreal but the other Limerick forward flicks it with his foot in Hegarty's direction. Such a clever piece of play that opens up the opportunity for Hegarty. If that doesn't happen the ball rolls on and the lift is infinetly more difficult and probably a KK player comes away with it. A wonderfully clever piece of play.
Great game. I reckon Limerick saw it out because they've been so good for so long that they could win All Ireland playing at 70%.
However there is a drop off from their peak last year.
I think Kilkenny and others will be greatly encouraged about the possibility of toppling Limerick next year.
Was there ever any point in that game yesterday where anyone thought Kilkenny were going to win? I thought they put up a great fight but never thought it looked like they were going to win.
Great headline!
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
Was there ever any point in that game yesterday where anyone thought Kilkenny were going to win? I thought they put up a great fight but never thought it looked like they were going to win.
I'm sure plenty of Kilkenny folks did at 47 minutes when it was Kilkenny 2-19 (25) Limerick 1-22 (25) or on 62 minutes Kilkenny 2-23 (29) Limerick 1-26 (29)
Limerick are 5/6 to win the All-Ireland again next year with the challengers priced at Kilkenny 11/2 Galway 6/1 with Cian Lynch back it will take a brave punter to back against them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
Was there ever any point in that game yesterday where anyone thought Kilkenny were going to win? I thought they put up a great fight but never thought it looked like they were going to win.
I thought after the 2nd goal they might. But Limerick dominated the breaks right throughout the game. They were so efficient. I thought the KK long ball didn't work and would have liked to have seen them change tact. The goals kept them in the game. It was a thoroughly ruthless Limerick performance. It was brilliant to watch.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 18, 2022, 03:15:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
Was there ever any point in that game yesterday where anyone thought Kilkenny were going to win? I thought they put up a great fight but never thought it looked like they were going to win.
I'm sure plenty of Kilkenny folks did at 47 minutes when it was Kilkenny 2-19 (25) Limerick 1-22 (25) or on 62 minutes Kilkenny 2-23 (29) Limerick 1-26 (29)
Limerick are 5/6 to win the All-Ireland again next year with the challengers priced at Kilkenny 11/2 Galway 6/1 with Cian Lynch back it will take a brave punter to back against them.
When KK drew level both times, Limerick just happened to find the next score or two to open the margin again, many's a lesser team may have panicked, but they didn't and credit to them for that, almost Kilkenny like.
For me TJ wanting the goal rather than taking the point and Limerick going down and scoring was the nail in the coffin. In hindsight maybe TJ was right though and the only way they were going to win was a risk like that.
Limerick are just business like. All about process etc.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 03:43:55 PM
For me TJ wanting the goal rather than taking the point and Limerick going down and scoring was the nail in the coffin. In hindsight maybe TJ was right though and the only way they were going to win was a risk like that.
Limerick are just business like. All about process etc.
Make no mistake about it, Limerick were spooked a bit yesterday, but stuck to their guns, worked the ball through the lines when it looked like KK may get a turnover to get back at them, and got their scores in the end.
TJ was going for the jugular, it's what he does and it's why he's so dangerous, he just doesn't tap over the easy point, he tries to engineer a goal, he managed it once yesterday, but was well chaperoned for the one you're talking about, but he as you say had a point to tap over, but drove on at the Limerick defence, they got the better of him that time...
You can have all the tactics and plans in the world but you need lads with that bit of skill and foresight to revel in it, a lot like Hegarty's goal, flicked into his path by Flannigan, lifted it with the bás, not breaking stride, momentum and sheer power taking him past the defender to rifle a shot into the far side netting against one of the best shot stoppers in the game!
Great stuff altogether.
At the end the KK lad took a point instead of dropping it in. There was 3 in it. Was a silly choice. Nicky Quaide wasn't going to rush a puck out. Anyone else find that strange?
I thought that was a fantastic game and a great advertisement for hurling. But I struggled trying to figure out what was a free and what wasn't. I came to the conclusion the ref was just each team frees in turns haha
Was at the game and kk took some sleaps and had to work hard for every free
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 18, 2022, 04:12:25 PM
Was at the game and kk took some sleaps and had to work hard for every free
I thought the refs whistle was broken. All frees were earned.
Quote from: trailer on July 18, 2022, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 18, 2022, 04:12:25 PM
Was at the game and kk took some sleaps and had to work hard for every free
I thought the refs whistle was broken. All frees were earned.
Thought the ref gave a few soft frees at the start compared to what he was letting go at the end.
TJ was putting them over for fun in the first half but those types of fouls dried up in the second half.
Guillane took a belt to the side of the head in the second half from Lawlor's hurl, no foul.
All evens out.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
Was there ever any point in that game yesterday where anyone thought Kilkenny were going to win? I thought they put up a great fight but never thought it looked like they were going to win.
Not once. Even when they drew level, Limerick airways had an answer for them.
Quote from: gallsman on July 18, 2022, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
Was there ever any point in that game yesterday where anyone thought Kilkenny were going to win? I thought they put up a great fight but never thought it looked like they were going to win.
Not once. Even when they drew level, Limerick airways had an answer for them.
Reminded me of the Dublin/Mayo football sagas circa 2013-2017.
I have never seen a team as composed, maybe even more than the great KK team, no matter how tight the situation there was no panic with the ball, and there was *always* at least one option for the player to pass to. I think they will need to regress for anyone to beat them.
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Quote from: gallsman on July 18, 2022, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
Was there ever any point in that game yesterday where anyone thought Kilkenny were going to win? I thought they put up a great fight but never thought it looked like they were going to win.
Not once. Even when they drew level, Limerick airways had an answer for them.
Reminded me of the Dublin/Mayo football sagas circa 2013-2017.
Yesterday Kilkenny gave it their best shot and scored 2-26 and Limerick still had that extra bit of class to keep their noses in front. I don't think Kilkenny can have many if any regrets after the performance they gave in that final.
Not sure if i can say the same about Mayo against a Dublin side that was less than great in the 2013,2016 All-Ireland finals and won due to moments some self inflicted Mayo moments.
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 18, 2022, 06:05:24 PM
I have never seen a team as composed, maybe even more than the great KK team, no matter how tight the situation there was no panic with the ball, and there was *always* at least one option for the player to pass to. I think they will need to regress for anyone to beat them.
Their composure and coolness under pressure was as good as I've seen from any All-Ireland winning team. I'd agree Limerick will need to regress first before anyone is able to topple them.
You know what you get with KK, regardless of the talent they have. They'll not go away like other teams.
Limerick are class to watch. Players are so comfortable and inter-changeable in their system.
My oul fella who more often than not will lament the loss of ground hurling lol spent the game just looking at me in Disbelief shaking his head at Limericks skill, work rate and composure. Every score as good as the last. Sometimes you just have to be glad to be around when teams play like this and see it with your own eyes. The way they short pass the ball out of trouble in numbers is Harlem Globetrotters stuff.
Cahill in for Tipp.
JC it was amazing how they played their way out of any kind of pressure. In the leinster final Galway just couldn't deal with the pressure KK were applying and could find no space but for Limerick it was just easy.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2022, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: Ash Smoker on July 18, 2022, 09:52:59 AM
A great game in many ways but players are flicking the ball over the bar effortlessly from 100 yards out. It's getting like basketball and a score barely registers with the crowd until the last 10 minutes of a tight game.
Flicking it effortlessly over the bar from 100 yards... looks easy, take a dander down to your pitch tonight then tell me how effortless those strikes are
Not sure that's the right comparator MR2, maybe comparing scoring of top players of this era versus top players of the past would yield more meaningful results. Although that's been done already, earlier in the thread but you refuse to accept there's an issue. For me the free effortlessly scored by Byrnes from his own 21 midway through the first half summed up the problem. In previous era's would taking the shot there ever have been contemplated? But, nothing to see here, no change needed cos change is bad....
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 18, 2022, 04:12:25 PM
Was at the game and kk took some sleaps and had to work hard for every free
I thought the refs whistle was broken. All frees were earned.
Thought the ref gave a few soft frees at the start compared to what he was letting go at the end.
TJ was putting them over for fun in the first half but those types of fouls dried up in the second half.
Guillane took a belt to the side of the head in the second half from Lawlor's hurl, no foul.
All evens out.
I was at the match and it was very confusing what the referee was calling and what he wasn't.
First things first, no player called for over carrying in the whole game when there were multiple examples on both sides
Secondly, no player called for throwing the ball when there were multiple examples on both sides
Thirdly I thought Limerick got frees out of defence easier than KK. Now that may be down to better tackle technique from the Limerick forwards but watching it live from up in a stand you got that feeling. Really obvious one in the first half when Casey the full back caught a great high ball and ran straight into a KK lad and fell down and was awarded a free which was scored from 100 yards. KK defenders were running into Limerick lads all day and getting no frees and regularly being turned over for scores. It had a big bearing in the long run.
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Quote from: trailer on July 18, 2022, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 18, 2022, 04:12:25 PM
Was at the game and kk took some sleaps and had to work hard for every free
I thought the refs whistle was broken. All frees were earned.
Thought the ref gave a few soft frees at the start compared to what he was letting go at the end.
TJ was putting them over for fun in the first half but those types of fouls dried up in the second half.
Guillane took a belt to the side of the head in the second half from Lawlor's hurl, no foul.
All evens out.
I was at the match and it was very confusing what the referee was calling and what he wasn't.
First things first, no player called for over carrying in the whole game when there were multiple examples on both sides
Secondly, no player called for throwing the ball when there were multiple examples on both sides
Thirdly I thought Limerick got frees out of defence easier than KK. Now that may be down to better tackle technique from the Limerick forwards but watching it live from up in a stand you got that feeling. Really obvious one in the first half when Casey the full back caught a great high ball and ran straight into a KK lad and fell down and was awarded a free which was scored from 100 yards. KK defenders were running into Limerick lads all day and getting no frees and regularly being turned over for scores. It had a big bearing in the long run.
Although I think Limerick were much better team, i agree with you on the frees, thought KK got raw deal all day
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 18, 2022, 07:37:42 PM
Cahill in for Tipp.
JC it was amazing how they played their way out of any kind of pressure. In the leinster final Galway just couldn't deal with the pressure KK were applying and could find no space but for Limerick it was just easy.
The one difference between Limerick and the rest in terms of "working it through the lines" is the detail in what they do, a very high percentage of their passes go direct to hand and in front of the man to keep momentum, either off the hurl or handpassing/throwing ;)
The rest are a little off on their technique when the pressure is applied. Clare looked slick in Munster but once it started to go awry vrs Wex and then KK they lost the momentum that was resulting in scores becoming harder to get, Limerick are so well drilled that rarely happens.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2022, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: Ash Smoker on July 18, 2022, 09:52:59 AM
A great game in many ways but players are flicking the ball over the bar effortlessly from 100 yards out. It's getting like basketball and a score barely registers with the crowd until the last 10 minutes of a tight game.
Flicking it effortlessly over the bar from 100 yards... looks easy, take a dander down to your pitch tonight then tell me how effortless those strikes are
Not sure that's the right comparator MR2, maybe comparing scoring of top players of this era versus top players of the past would yield more meaningful results. Although that's been done already, earlier in the thread but you refuse to accept there's an issue. For me the free effortlessly scored by Byrnes from his own 21 midway through the first half summed up the problem. In previous era's would taking the shot there ever have been contemplated? But, nothing to see here, no change needed cos change is bad....
The top players from the 70's are no where near the same shape physically or trained to the level that is carried out today... you can't compare, players have developed and the top players have developed physically and skill wise even further again
So again I'll say if it's that easy go and try it at your pitch...
Maybe if we look at the lower championships, while that standard is great they ain't having pop shots from a 100 years and effortlessly knocking them over the bar...
I'll check the stats when I get a chance to see the scoring areas, unlike football, hurlers will have a go and if they score they score the footballers need to take the ball into a scoring zone of 21 meters, teams from a different e time shot from further out.
I've asked why are the changes required, is it to improve the game? And if so miss hitting the ball and dropping it short or off target how will that improve it? Imagine bringing those changes to club games to
I think Hegarty is playing junior hurling with his club St. Patrick's.
I wonder how many other hurlers play with a junior club in the big counties?
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
I think Hegarty is playing junior hurling with his club St. Patrick's.
I wonder how many other hurlers play with a junior club in the big counties?
Junior hurling in Limerick is probably not like playing Larne, and that's no disrespect to Larne btw, the level is pretty high I'd say..
Remember watching the junior club final about 12 years ago in Croke, both teams would trouble a few senior club teams in Antrim
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2022, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
I think Hegarty is playing junior hurling with his club St. Patrick's.
I wonder how many other hurlers play with a junior club in the big counties?
Junior hurling in Limerick is probably not like playing Larne, and that's no disrespect to Larne btw, the level is pretty high I'd say..
Remember watching the junior club final about 12 years ago in Croke, both teams would trouble a few senior club teams in Antrim
Not sure why you mention Larne - there's a huge difference between Larne and Dunloy in Antrim.
I'm sure there's a huge difference between St. Patrick's and, say, Na Piarsaigh or Patrickswell in Limerick. It's all relative.
Larne are junior in Antrim...
A few KK players over the years have been junior. Derek Lyng was one always talked about. I think? Richie Hogan came up from juniors. He was definitely intermediate anyway as his team played Ahoghill in the final and he scored quite a lot IIRC.
You'd mention a junior team in Limerick I mentioned a junior team in Antrim, I'd imagine the difference between junior and senior is similar to your Larne and Dunloy quote.
Mick Kavanagh played intermediate as I know only too well
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 19, 2022, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2022, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
I think Hegarty is playing junior hurling with his club St. Patrick's.
I wonder how many other hurlers play with a junior club in the big counties?
Junior hurling in Limerick is probably not like playing Larne, and that's no disrespect to Larne btw, the level is pretty high I'd say..
Remember watching the junior club final about 12 years ago in Croke, both teams would trouble a few senior club teams in Antrim
Which Antrim senior club would Naomh Colum Cille be troubling?
They would definitely be Div 3 or 4 in Antrim.
Should they not enter the Antrim league Div. 4 to get more games?
Are they in Armagh's league?
Creggan and Coleraine only Ulster teams i mind competing at all ireland junior at level of other provinces . Kk teams have usually come down from intermediate.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 19, 2022, 07:03:10 PM
Clooney, Castleblaney & NCC have all made finals. There are others who haven't but weren't out of their depth.
Sort of mind them been well beat , but looked back Castleblayney in particular done really well
Kilkenny are very strong at senior, intermediate and the junior grades in the All-Ireland series.
They are all evenly balanced, all strong.
A team could come up from intermediate and give the senior club championship a rattle, at worst, they are really competitive.
Other counties are nowhere as evenly structured.
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 08:53:17 PM
Kilkenny are very strong at senior, intermediate and the junior grades in the All-Ireland series.
They are all evenly balanced, all strong.
A team could come up from intermediate and give the senior club championship a rattle, at worst, they are really competitive.
Other counties are nowhere as evenly structured.
Is this your own opinion or have you a link or stat to back that up?
Was in Galway few years ago and St Thomas's were not a senior team, funny enough after winning minor championships and gaining senior they won club all Irelands. Sometimes teams come along from lower grades and play well. Sometimes you have an exceptional player who is from a junior grade club who is county standard..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2022, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 08:53:17 PM
Kilkenny are very strong at senior, intermediate and the junior grades in the All-Ireland series.
They are all evenly balanced, all strong.
A team could come up from intermediate and give the senior club championship a rattle, at worst, they are really competitive.
Other counties are nowhere as evenly structured.
Is this your own opinion or have you a link or stat to back that up?
Was in Galway few years ago and St Thomas's were not a senior team, funny enough after winning minor championships and gaining senior they won club all Irelands. Sometimes teams come along from lower grades and play well. Sometimes you have an exceptional player who is from a junior grade club who is county standard..
Well, funny you should ask that:
KK clubs have won 10 junior All-Irelands, 7 Intermediate All-Irelands and 6 senior* club All-Irelands.
* only went back to 2005 with the senior clubs. KK clubs were runners up 4 junior All-Ireland finals and 3 intermediate club finals.
Now, onto my point about their system and how competitive they are.
St. Pat's Ballyragget won a Junior KK club title in 1978 and the next year, 1979, they won a KK Intermediate title.
More recently, in 2013, Clara won a KK Intermediate (2012) and All-Ireland title and in 2013, they got up to senior and won the senior KK club championship. They won it again 2 years later in 2015. Not a bad achievement!
One more example - In 2015, Bennetsbridge won the Junior All-Ireland club title. Later that year, they won the KK Intermediate title on they way to going on to win the All-Ireland club title in early 2016. Again, not bad at all.
As I say, a well structured competitive competition.
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2022, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 08:53:17 PM
Kilkenny are very strong at senior, intermediate and the junior grades in the All-Ireland series.
They are all evenly balanced, all strong.
A team could come up from intermediate and give the senior club championship a rattle, at worst, they are really competitive.
Other counties are nowhere as evenly structured.
Is this your own opinion or have you a link or stat to back that up?
Was in Galway few years ago and St Thomas's were not a senior team, funny enough after winning minor championships and gaining senior they won club all Irelands. Sometimes teams come along from lower grades and play well. Sometimes you have an exceptional player who is from a junior grade club who is county standard..
Well, funny you should ask that:
KK clubs have won 10 junior All-Irelands, 7 Intermediate All-Irelands and 6 senior* club All-Irelands.
* only went back to 2005 with the senior clubs. KK clubs were runners up 4 junior All-Ireland finals and 3 intermediate club finals.
Now, onto my point about their system and how competitive they are.
St. Pat's Ballyragget won a Junior KK club title in 1978 and the next year, 1979, they won a KK Intermediate title.
More recently, in 2013, Clara won a KK Intermediate (2012) and All-Ireland title and in 2013, they got up to senior and won the senior KK club championship. They won it again 2 years later in 2015. Not a bad achievement!
One more example - In 2015, Bennetsbridge won the Junior All-Ireland club title. Later that year, they won the KK Intermediate title on they way to going on to win the All-Ireland club title in early 2016. Again, not bad at all.
As I say, a well structured competitive competition.
I wasn't arguing your point on teams in Kilkenny, your original point was junior clubs having senior county standard players.. it happens, my point was that junior teams from Limerick Waterford (the Benntts team) Kilkenny and so on are of a much higher grade to Antrims junior teams and as such will occasionally produce a top player, and for us to get a player from let's say Ardoyne ( no offence to Ardoyne btw) to be a regular on the Antrim senior hurling is going to be very very rare
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2022, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 08:53:17 PM
Kilkenny are very strong at senior, intermediate and the junior grades in the All-Ireland series.
They are all evenly balanced, all strong.
A team could come up from intermediate and give the senior club championship a rattle, at worst, they are really competitive.
Other counties are nowhere as evenly structured.
Is this your own opinion or have you a link or stat to back that up?
Was in Galway few years ago and St Thomas's were not a senior team, funny enough after winning minor championships and gaining senior they won club all Irelands. Sometimes teams come along from lower grades and play well. Sometimes you have an exceptional player who is from a junior grade club who is county standard..
Well, funny you should ask that:
KK clubs have won 10 junior All-Irelands, 7 Intermediate All-Irelands and 6 senior* club All-Irelands.
* only went back to 2005 with the senior clubs. KK clubs were runners up 4 junior All-Ireland finals and 3 intermediate club finals.
Now, onto my point about their system and how competitive they are.
St. Pat's Ballyragget won a Junior KK club title in 1978 and the next year, 1979, they won a KK Intermediate title.
More recently, in 2013, Clara won a KK Intermediate (2012) and All-Ireland title and in 2013, they got up to senior and won the senior KK club championship. They won it again 2 years later in 2015. Not a bad achievement!
One more example - In 2015, Bennetsbridge won the Junior All-Ireland club title. Later that year, they won the KK Intermediate title on they way to going on to win the All-Ireland club title in early 2016. Again, not bad at all.
As I say, a well structured competitive competition.
I wasn't arguing your point on teams in Kilkenny, your original point was junior clubs having senior county standard players.. it happens, my point was that junior teams from Limerick Waterford (the Benntts team) Kilkenny and so on are of a much higher grade to Antrims junior teams and as such will occasionally produce a top player, and for us to get a player from let's say Ardoyne ( no offence to Ardoyne btw) to be a regular on the Antrim senior hurling is going to be very very rare
Kilkenny are very strong at senior, intermediate and the junior grades in the All-Ireland series.
They are all evenly balanced, all strong.
A team could come up from intermediate and give the senior club championship a rattle, at worst, they are really competitive.
Other counties are nowhere as evenly structured.
Is this your own opinion or have you a link or stat to back that up?As above, I mentioned how competitive the KK club championship is and how teams can go up from junior to intermediate and from intermediate to senior etc. and be really competitive and do well. You ask was this my opinion or did I have stats to back it up.
I have given you a few stats to prove my point i.e teams going straight up to intermediate and senior, after winning the junior and intermediate the year previous year, and winning them the next year.
My original point was re: G. Hegarty and playing with a junior club in Limerick and was there many junior players playing for the big counties.
Ok
rumours that Mr Cody of the Village fame is hanging up the Glanbia baseball cap, anyone see anything official on this yet?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 20, 2022, 12:40:54 PM
rumours that Mr Cody of the Village fame is hanging up the Glanbia baseball cap, anyone see anything official on this yet?
Heard that - vibes from the homecoming.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 20, 2022, 12:09:05 PM
Ardoyne are Junior B too.
Stephen Rooney probably the most recent player to claim a regular spot on the county team while playing Junior club hurling.
Playing div2 hurling along with the Glenariffe and Creggan player but yes, I get that
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 20, 2022, 02:10:30 PM
Yeah, now they are Div 2 & intermediate but only a couple of years ago they were Div 3 & Junior. He was a county regular then. Maybe even more so than now.
There will always be exceptions to the rule.. Gearóid Hegarty is from great stock, his da Ger was a fantastic hurler back in the day but the strangest thing he never played county until under 20 and better known as a footballer, fair fucks to whoever seen his potential as his dad (own words) never seen his hurling ability
Saw a photo on Twitter yesterday... he was midfield for limerick footballers against Tyrone in the 2015 qualifiers. I didn't actually think he was old enough.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2022, 06:13:25 PM
Saw a photo on Twitter yesterday... he was midfield for limerick footballers against Tyrone in the 2015 qualifiers. I didn't actually think he was old enough.
His da said he'd make it as a footballer, so he was right on that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 20, 2022, 02:10:30 PM
Yeah, now they are Div 2 & intermediate but only a couple of years ago they were Div 3 & Junior. He was a county regular then. Maybe even more so than now.
There will always be exceptions to the rule.. Gearóid Hegarty is from great stock, his da Ger was a fantastic hurler back in the day but the strangest thing he never played county until under 20 and better known as a footballer, fair fucks to whoever seen his potential as his dad (own words) never seen his hurling ability
He was up with the minors but didn't do much according to this article I read a few weeks ago
Limerick's bionic man Gearóid Hegarty ready to take on GalwayDenis Walsh Sunday Times
There was a time in Gearóid Hegarty's career when none of this was imagined: the acclaim, the awards, the Marvel Comics stuff. He was a gangly teenager and, like a crossword, he was full of blanks and cryptic clues. For two years he was part of the Limerick minor hurling panel, and in his second season he failed to make the match day squad. It sounds outlandish now, but not then; it didn't represent a blind spot in anyone's judgment. The clues were obscure.
John Brudair saw a glimpse of something and explored it. For a few months, nearly a decade ago, he trained the senior footballers at St Pat's, Hegarty's club. Hegarty had a platonic relationship with football at the time, but that year they went on a run in the championship, and Brudair loved Hegarty's moxie. St Pat's lost the semi-final by a point and towards the end of it Hegarty was so wasted from the fight that he threw up on the pitch.
Brudair was appointed manager of the Limerick senior footballers shortly afterwards, and even though Hegarty had no underage pedigree as a footballer, he invited him on to the panel. "You could see he just needed to grow into his body," Brudair says now. "He was a very tall man who hadn't done any strength work at all. He'll admit himself, the learning curve in terms of S&C that he got from football was hugely important. But he also had great character, so he was going to make it at some stage. He had great belief that he was going to."
Hegarty tells a story from his first gym session with the footballers in UL. The players were asked to bench press three-quarters of their body weight and Hegarty was paired with Garrett Noonan, who was around the same size. Noonan did 25 reps at 70kg and Hegarty stepped up for his turn.
"I said, 'Jesus, this can't be too bad.' I got down and I couldn't even lift the bar. I was never so embarrassed in all my life. I swore to myself, 'That will never happen again.'"
The Limerick footballers weren't a stadium act, but they gave Hegarty a stage. Brudair remembers him playing centre field for the U-21s against Cork with Will O'Donoghue as his companion giant, like something from Game of Thrones; O'Donoghue had never played minor hurling for Limerick either. Nobody was making wild forecasts.
Hegarty was still in his early 20s, in just his third season on the team, when Brudair made him vice captain of the senior footballers. It was around that time that he started to blossom. When Limerick won the U-21 All-Ireland in 2015 Hegarty played wing-back, surrounded by a dozen other players who had already played senior, or would do so shortly.
Hegarty is a former member of the Limerick senior football team
Hegarty is a former member of the Limerick senior football team
BRENDAN MORAN/SPORTSFILE
On that team, the limelight didn't know where to look: Cian Lynch, Diarmaid Byrnes, Sean Finn, Tom Morrissey, Darragh O'Donovan, Barry Nash, Mike Casey, Richie English were in the line-up. Peter Casey couldn't get a game. And Hegarty? He was mid-pack. It is hard to countenance now, but when TJ Ryan asked him to join the senior panel for the following season there was an element of speculation and risk.
"How raw was he? Oh jeepers, as raw as could be. I don't even know how you could measure it," says Ryan. "He just would have had a lot of developing to do. He wouldn't have been exposed to that level of hurling before. He probably didn't know at the time whether he could make it at the top level or not. That was probably the question he had himself.
"It was around the time when there were probably questions about everybody – including myself – about whether people were good enough for Limerick or not. And I'm sure it would have been questioned why we were playing him in the forwards."
James Ryan was one of the pillars of the team at the time, and just like Hegarty, he had started his inter county career as a footballer. He understood the challenge of making the transition.
"His hurling skills were definitely a bit behind what they should have been," says Ryan. "You're not going to have a good first touch and you're striking isn't going to be good if you've been concentrating on football, that's just the way it is. His athleticism was at an unbelievable level, but the big talk around Limerick was, 'He's not good enough at all. His hurling isn't good enough.' Now look what he's doing with the ball."
Four years later, Hegarty was the undisputed Hurler of the Year. In the All-Ireland final he scored seven points, some of them magnificent. Over the course of the season, he had more shots from play (28), and more assists for shots (21), than any other Limerick player. In a team at the height of its power, he was first among equals.
Hegarty's sweet and sour game is the perfect expression of Paul Kinnerk's vision. On the ball, he's explosive and productive; without the ball he's dynamic and aggressive. Just like many football teams, Limerick pursue a pattern of strategic fouling in their forward line, and Hegarty is one of the enforcers: in the 2020 All-Ireland semi-final and final he conceded ten frees, evenly split, without being booked in either game.
His tackle on Joe Canning in the 2020 semi-final could easily have generated a red card, and this year he has been sent off twice; once harshly, once without argument. Limerick make no apology for hurdling whatever boundary constitutes the edge, and jumping back. It is hard-wired into their outlook. In their push for discipline they budget for slips.
Their home match against Waterford in the championship this year captured the full spectrum of Hegarty's game. Within four minutes, before he had touched the ball, he had committed two fouls; the first should have been a yellow card, the second one was. "It's not the first time we've seen Gearóid a bit loose with the hurley like that," said Nicky English in the Sky Sports commentary.
Not long afterwards he dispossessed Darragh Lyons twice, legitimately, in the same episode of frenzied tackling. Then, a couple of minutes before half-time, he struck a sumptuous point from the side line, under the Mackey Stand. "That's one of the scores of the game," said English. "Hegarty's touch was unbelievable there." It was.
Hegarty is 27 now, in his athletic pomp. Standing at 6ft 5in , and carrying 15st 2lb, he is built like a Springboks flanker, the biggest player on the biggest team in the championship. "With Sean Finn and Gearóid Hegarty it's the very same thing when they have the ball," says James Ryan. "It's like a good minor marking a bad U-14. They look that far ahead at times."
So, did anybody see it coming? "I'd love to tell you I did," says TJ Ryan, "but no, it was impossible to see what he would become. Only he can take credit for that. But one of the things you love to see in a player is ambition, and he definitely had it. When you want it, and you keep going after it, your ambition will keep taking you there. That's what he did."
That's what he does.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2022, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 19, 2022, 08:53:17 PM
Kilkenny are very strong at senior, intermediate and the junior grades in the All-Ireland series.
They are all evenly balanced, all strong.
A team could come up from intermediate and give the senior club championship a rattle, at worst, they are really competitive.
Other counties are nowhere as evenly structured.
Is this your own opinion or have you a link or stat to back that up?
Was in Galway few years ago and St Thomas's were not a senior team, funny enough after winning minor championships and gaining senior they won club all Irelands. Sometimes teams come along from lower grades and play well. Sometimes you have an exceptional player who is from a junior grade club who is county standard..
Well, funny you should ask that:
KK clubs have won 10 junior All-Irelands, 7 Intermediate All-Irelands and 6 senior* club All-Irelands.
* only went back to 2005 with the senior clubs. KK clubs were runners up 4 junior All-Ireland finals and 3 intermediate club finals.
Now, onto my point about their system and how competitive they are.
St. Pat's Ballyragget won a Junior KK club title in 1978 and the next year, 1979, they won a KK Intermediate title.
More recently, in 2013, Clara won a KK Intermediate (2012) and All-Ireland title and in 2013, they got up to senior and won the senior KK club championship. They won it again 2 years later in 2015. Not a bad achievement!
One more example - In 2015, Bennetsbridge won the Junior All-Ireland club title. Later that year, they won the KK Intermediate title on they way to going on to win the All-Ireland club title in early 2016. Again, not bad at all.
As I say, a well structured competitive competition.
I wasn't arguing your point on teams in Kilkenny, your original point was junior clubs having senior county standard players.. it happens, my point was that junior teams from Limerick Waterford (the Benntts team) Kilkenny and so on are of a much higher grade to Antrims junior teams and as such will occasionally produce a top player, and for us to get a player from let's say Ardoyne ( no offence to Ardoyne btw) to be a regular on the Antrim senior hurling is going to be very very rare
You could bring the former Antrim captain who's been lining out for Ardoyne this year back into the fold :p
Your point stands though, junior clubs in ulster hurling isn't usually their first sport so don't spend anywhere near as much time with a hurl in hand as players from junior clubs in the big counties, I'd say it's the same in football, you're more likely to get a county player playing JFC in a Kerry or Tyrone rather than an Antrim where the drop off in standard is massive
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 20, 2022, 02:10:30 PM
Yeah, now they are Div 2 & intermediate but only a couple of years ago they were Div 3 & Junior. He was a county regular then. Maybe even more so than now.
There will always be exceptions to the rule.. Gearóid Hegarty is from great stock, his da Ger was a fantastic hurler back in the day but the strangest thing he never played county until under 20 and better known as a footballer, fair fucks to whoever seen his potential as his dad (own words) never seen his hurling ability
He was up with the minors but didn't do much according to this article I read a few weeks ago
Limerick's bionic man Gearóid Hegarty ready to take on Galway
Denis Walsh Sunday Times
There was a time in Gearóid Hegarty's career when none of this was imagined: the acclaim, the awards, the Marvel Comics stuff. He was a gangly teenager and, like a crossword, he was full of blanks and cryptic clues. For two years he was part of the Limerick minor hurling panel, and in his second season he failed to make the match day squad. It sounds outlandish now, but not then; it didn't represent a blind spot in anyone's judgment. The clues were obscure.
John Brudair saw a glimpse of something and explored it. For a few months, nearly a decade ago, he trained the senior footballers at St Pat's, Hegarty's club. Hegarty had a platonic relationship with football at the time, but that year they went on a run in the championship, and Brudair loved Hegarty's moxie. St Pat's lost the semi-final by a point and towards the end of it Hegarty was so wasted from the fight that he threw up on the pitch.
Brudair was appointed manager of the Limerick senior footballers shortly afterwards, and even though Hegarty had no underage pedigree as a footballer, he invited him on to the panel. "You could see he just needed to grow into his body," Brudair says now. "He was a very tall man who hadn't done any strength work at all. He'll admit himself, the learning curve in terms of S&C that he got from football was hugely important. But he also had great character, so he was going to make it at some stage. He had great belief that he was going to."
Hegarty tells a story from his first gym session with the footballers in UL. The players were asked to bench press three-quarters of their body weight and Hegarty was paired with Garrett Noonan, who was around the same size. Noonan did 25 reps at 70kg and Hegarty stepped up for his turn.
"I said, 'Jesus, this can't be too bad.' I got down and I couldn't even lift the bar. I was never so embarrassed in all my life. I swore to myself, 'That will never happen again.'"
The Limerick footballers weren't a stadium act, but they gave Hegarty a stage. Brudair remembers him playing centre field for the U-21s against Cork with Will O'Donoghue as his companion giant, like something from Game of Thrones; O'Donoghue had never played minor hurling for Limerick either. Nobody was making wild forecasts.
Hegarty was still in his early 20s, in just his third season on the team, when Brudair made him vice captain of the senior footballers. It was around that time that he started to blossom. When Limerick won the U-21 All-Ireland in 2015 Hegarty played wing-back, surrounded by a dozen other players who had already played senior, or would do so shortly.
Hegarty is a former member of the Limerick senior football team
Hegarty is a former member of the Limerick senior football team
BRENDAN MORAN/SPORTSFILE
On that team, the limelight didn't know where to look: Cian Lynch, Diarmaid Byrnes, Sean Finn, Tom Morrissey, Darragh O'Donovan, Barry Nash, Mike Casey, Richie English were in the line-up. Peter Casey couldn't get a game. And Hegarty? He was mid-pack. It is hard to countenance now, but when TJ Ryan asked him to join the senior panel for the following season there was an element of speculation and risk.
"How raw was he? Oh jeepers, as raw as could be. I don't even know how you could measure it," says Ryan. "He just would have had a lot of developing to do. He wouldn't have been exposed to that level of hurling before. He probably didn't know at the time whether he could make it at the top level or not. That was probably the question he had himself.
"It was around the time when there were probably questions about everybody – including myself – about whether people were good enough for Limerick or not. And I'm sure it would have been questioned why we were playing him in the forwards."
James Ryan was one of the pillars of the team at the time, and just like Hegarty, he had started his inter county career as a footballer. He understood the challenge of making the transition.
"His hurling skills were definitely a bit behind what they should have been," says Ryan. "You're not going to have a good first touch and you're striking isn't going to be good if you've been concentrating on football, that's just the way it is. His athleticism was at an unbelievable level, but the big talk around Limerick was, 'He's not good enough at all. His hurling isn't good enough.' Now look what he's doing with the ball."
Four years later, Hegarty was the undisputed Hurler of the Year. In the All-Ireland final he scored seven points, some of them magnificent. Over the course of the season, he had more shots from play (28), and more assists for shots (21), than any other Limerick player. In a team at the height of its power, he was first among equals.
Hegarty's sweet and sour game is the perfect expression of Paul Kinnerk's vision. On the ball, he's explosive and productive; without the ball he's dynamic and aggressive. Just like many football teams, Limerick pursue a pattern of strategic fouling in their forward line, and Hegarty is one of the enforcers: in the 2020 All-Ireland semi-final and final he conceded ten frees, evenly split, without being booked in either game.
His tackle on Joe Canning in the 2020 semi-final could easily have generated a red card, and this year he has been sent off twice; once harshly, once without argument. Limerick make no apology for hurdling whatever boundary constitutes the edge, and jumping back. It is hard-wired into their outlook. In their push for discipline they budget for slips.
Their home match against Waterford in the championship this year captured the full spectrum of Hegarty's game. Within four minutes, before he had touched the ball, he had committed two fouls; the first should have been a yellow card, the second one was. "It's not the first time we've seen Gearóid a bit loose with the hurley like that," said Nicky English in the Sky Sports commentary.
Not long afterwards he dispossessed Darragh Lyons twice, legitimately, in the same episode of frenzied tackling. Then, a couple of minutes before half-time, he struck a sumptuous point from the side line, under the Mackey Stand. "That's one of the scores of the game," said English. "Hegarty's touch was unbelievable there." It was.
Hegarty is 27 now, in his athletic pomp. Standing at 6ft 5in , and carrying 15st 2lb, he is built like a Springboks flanker, the biggest player on the biggest team in the championship. "With Sean Finn and Gearóid Hegarty it's the very same thing when they have the ball," says James Ryan. "It's like a good minor marking a bad U-14. They look that far ahead at times."
So, did anybody see it coming? "I'd love to tell you I did," says TJ Ryan, "but no, it was impossible to see what he would become. Only he can take credit for that. But one of the things you love to see in a player is ambition, and he definitely had it. When you want it, and you keep going after it, your ambition will keep taking you there. That's what he did."
That's what he does.
His da must have missed those games at minor lol!!
Pauric Maher going in as with Cahill and Bevans.
Good choice for them, and with him not playing now, he'll get the fire going.
Declan Laffan (who managed Laois club to 2-in-a-row) and T.J. Ryan (not the Limerick one) in the backroom team also.
Cahill seems to be well prepared. Nearly too well - I wonder was he tapped up a lot earlier than people think or say he was?
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Pauric Maher going in as with Cahill and Bevans.
Good choice for them, and with him not playing now, he'll get the fire going.
Declan Laffan (who managed Laois club to 2-in-a-row) and T.J. Ryan (not the Limerick one) in the backroom team also.
Cahill seems to be well prepared. Nearly too well - I wonder was he tapped up a lot earlier than people think or say he was?
He wasn't tapped up and it was a lot earlier
Cody gone
Probably lost a few friends this year it's the Henry thing but what a tenure. He could have taken the easy route and retired when that golden generation did but he didn't. Some tenure.
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Probably lost a few friends this year it's the Henry thing but what a tenure. He could have taken the easy route and retired when that golden generation did but he didn't. Some tenure.
Plenty in KK think he should have went a few years ago, but sure he earned the right to stay on I suppose.
Be interesting to see who will take it on. Can't see Henry leaving Galway after 1 season.
Maybe Eddie Brennan.
Legend of a manager.
Greatest GAA manager ever.
Enough said.
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Probably lost a few friends this year it's the Henry thing but what a tenure. He could have taken the easy route and retired when that golden generation did but he didn't. Some tenure.
Plenty in KK think he should have went a few years ago, but sure he earned the right to stay on I suppose.
Be interesting to see who will take it on. Can't see Henry leaving Galway after 1 season.
Maybe Eddie Brennan.
Yeah but I suspect they may have changed their mind this year.
He won't be missed!
He stepped on plenty of toes over the years.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/race-is-on-to-succeed-brian-cody-as-kilkenny-legend-emerges-as-frontrunner-41862689.htmlFive candidates were immediately linked to the role last night: Henry Shefflin, Eddie Brennan, Michael Fennelly and Conor Phelan, who along with Martin Comerford and James McGarry were part of Cody's management team during the last two seasons, and Derek Lyng.
There were suggestions in some quarters last night that Lyng, who managed Kilkenny to victory in the All-Ireland under 20 championship this year, is seen as the front-runner and the man most likely to be nominated as Cody's successor with Phelan taking over the under-20 side.
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A great game in many ways but players are flicking the ball over the bar effortlessly from 100 yards out. It's getting like basketball and a score barely registers with the crowd until the last 10 minutes of a tight game.
Flicking it effortlessly over the bar from 100 yards... looks easy, take a dander down to your pitch tonight then tell me how effortless those strikes are
Not sure that's the right comparator MR2, maybe comparing scoring of top players of this era versus top players of the past would yield more meaningful results. Although that's been done already, earlier in the thread but you refuse to accept there's an issue. For me the free effortlessly scored by Byrnes from his own 21 midway through the first half summed up the problem. In previous era's would taking the shot there ever have been contemplated? But, nothing to see here, no change needed cos change is bad....
The top players from the 70's are no where near the same shape physically or trained to the level that is carried out today... you can't compare, players have developed and the top players have developed physically and skill wise even further again
So again I'll say if it's that easy go and try it at your pitch...
Maybe if we look at the lower championships, while that standard is great they ain't having pop shots from a 100 years and effortlessly knocking them over the bar...
I'll check the stats when I get a chance to see the scoring areas, unlike football, hurlers will have a go and if they score they score the footballers need to take the ball into a scoring zone of 21 meters, teams from a different e time shot from further out.
I've asked why are the changes required, is it to improve the game? And if so miss hitting the ball and dropping it short or off target how will that improve it? Imagine bringing those changes to club games to
I acknowledge conditioning and skill levels are much higher, so is the equipment, bigger sweet spot and lighter more aerodynamic ball.
I personally don't like that it's even an option to consider having a go from well inside your own half, maybe it's just because I can't see the ball when they do that!!
I said earlier that a simple change would be increasing the value of the goal, that changes the equation and maybe there's a more negative reaction to having a go from 100yds in that case. But I also think that it shouldn't be a matter of routine to tap over frees from deep inside your own half.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0723/1311866-fogarty-kilkenny-job-may-come-too-soon-for-shefflin/
It was very frustrating because it has been said before, Brian wouldn't have been the best man-manager and never was.
He never put the arm around the shoulder and I'm just talking from my own personal dealings with Brian. Maybe this happened to other players.You got the team on a Friday night and you weren't on it and possibly never got a word during the week. That was very, very hard to take as a player
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0723/1311866-fogarty-kilkenny-job-may-come-too-soon-for-shefflin/
It was very frustrating because it has been said before, Brian wouldn't have been the best man-manager and never was.
He never put the arm around the shoulder and I'm just talking from my own personal dealings with Brian. Maybe this happened to other players.You got the team on a Friday night and you weren't on it and possibly never got a word during the week. That was very, very hard to take as a player
Davy Fitz would be some craic as kk manager!
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/race-is-on-to-succeed-brian-cody-as-kilkenny-legend-emerges-as-frontrunner-41862689.htmlFive candidates were immediately linked to the role last night: Henry Shefflin, Eddie Brennan, Michael Fennelly and Conor Phelan, who along with Martin Comerford and James McGarry were part of Cody's management team during the last two seasons, and Derek Lyng.
There were suggestions in some quarters last night that Lyng, who managed Kilkenny to victory in the All-Ireland under 20 championship this year, is seen as the front-runner and the man most likely to be nominated as Cody's successor with Phelan taking over the under-20 side.
Lyng makes the most sense, heavily involved with this team prior to this year and then managing their U20's to an AI so knows the new blood able to come into the panel.
anyone pick up on a bit of sideline disagreements with Cody during the AI final? Not sure who the other lad was, don't think it was McGarry, but was animated with Cody in the second half..
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It was very frustrating because it has been said before, Brian wouldn't have been the best man-manager and never was.
He never put the arm around the shoulder and I'm just talking from my own personal dealings with Brian. Maybe this happened to other players.You got the team on a Friday night and you weren't on it and possibly never got a word during the week. That was very, very hard to take as a player
Davy Fitz would be some craic as kk manager!
I suspect they're a non outside manager crowd hence Cody and Shefflin and I even saw a few ex player on twitter not maybe being too favourable to Henry.
I'd like to see the reply if he applied though ;D
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/race-is-on-to-succeed-brian-cody-as-kilkenny-legend-emerges-as-frontrunner-41862689.htmlFive candidates were immediately linked to the role last night: Henry Shefflin, Eddie Brennan, Michael Fennelly and Conor Phelan, who along with Martin Comerford and James McGarry were part of Cody's management team during the last two seasons, and Derek Lyng.
There were suggestions in some quarters last night that Lyng, who managed Kilkenny to victory in the All-Ireland under 20 championship this year, is seen as the front-runner and the man most likely to be nominated as Cody's successor with Phelan taking over the under-20 side.
Lyng makes the most sense, heavily involved with this team prior to this year and then managing their U20's to an AI so knows the new blood able to come into the panel.
anyone pick up on a bit of sideline disagreements with Cody during the AI final? Not sure who the other lad was, don't think it was McGarry, but was animated with Cody in the second half..
Gorta?
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/race-is-on-to-succeed-brian-cody-as-kilkenny-legend-emerges-as-frontrunner-41862689.htmlFive candidates were immediately linked to the role last night: Henry Shefflin, Eddie Brennan, Michael Fennelly and Conor Phelan, who along with Martin Comerford and James McGarry were part of Cody's management team during the last two seasons, and Derek Lyng.
There were suggestions in some quarters last night that Lyng, who managed Kilkenny to victory in the All-Ireland under 20 championship this year, is seen as the front-runner and the man most likely to be nominated as Cody's successor with Phelan taking over the under-20 side.
Lyng makes the most sense, heavily involved with this team prior to this year and then managing their U20's to an AI so knows the new blood able to come into the panel.
anyone pick up on a bit of sideline disagreements with Cody during the AI final? Not sure who the other lad was, don't think it was McGarry, but was animated with Cody in the second half..
Gorta?[/b]
Aye it was Gorta, he was running up and down the line like a madman then up to Cody every so often.
Cody would poke him in the chest as if to say 'I'm in charge here'
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/race-is-on-to-succeed-brian-cody-as-kilkenny-legend-emerges-as-frontrunner-41862689.htmlFive candidates were immediately linked to the role last night: Henry Shefflin, Eddie Brennan, Michael Fennelly and Conor Phelan, who along with Martin Comerford and James McGarry were part of Cody's management team during the last two seasons, and Derek Lyng.
There were suggestions in some quarters last night that Lyng, who managed Kilkenny to victory in the All-Ireland under 20 championship this year, is seen as the front-runner and the man most likely to be nominated as Cody's successor with Phelan taking over the under-20 side.
Lyng makes the most sense, heavily involved with this team prior to this year and then managing their U20's to an AI so knows the new blood able to come into the panel.
anyone pick up on a bit of sideline disagreements with Cody during the AI final? Not sure who the other lad was, don't think it was McGarry, but was animated with Cody in the second half..
Gorta?[/b]
Aye it was Gorta, he was running up and down the line like a madman then up to Cody every so often.
Cody would poke him in the chest as if to say 'I'm in charge here'
Old school vrs new school..
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/race-is-on-to-succeed-brian-cody-as-kilkenny-legend-emerges-as-frontrunner-41862689.htmlFive candidates were immediately linked to the role last night: Henry Shefflin, Eddie Brennan, Michael Fennelly and Conor Phelan, who along with Martin Comerford and James McGarry were part of Cody's management team during the last two seasons, and Derek Lyng.
There were suggestions in some quarters last night that Lyng, who managed Kilkenny to victory in the All-Ireland under 20 championship this year, is seen as the front-runner and the man most likely to be nominated as Cody's successor with Phelan taking over the under-20 side.
Lyng makes the most sense, heavily involved with this team prior to this year and then managing their U20's to an AI so knows the new blood able to come into the panel.
anyone pick up on a bit of sideline disagreements with Cody during the AI final? Not sure who the other lad was, don't think it was McGarry, but was animated with Cody in the second half..
Gorta?[/b]
Aye it was Gorta, he was running up and down the line like a madman then up to Cody every so often.
Cody would poke him in the chest as if to say 'I'm in charge here'
Old school vrs new school..
It was the same in Salthill in the famous handshake game. The two of them were constantly having a go - well, maybe Cody telling Gorta what to change etc. as I think Gorta was giving the instructions to the players.
Seemed to be heated enough in Salthill. Maybe that was the pressure of that game but not sure.
Cody knows himself that he can't keep blocking out the ideas from up and coming coaches. He knows his time is up.
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Cody knows himself that he can't keep blocking out the ideas from up and coming coaches. He knows his time is up.
It might be a Man Utd situation. Handpicking the successor from the inside doesn't guarantee anything.
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Cody knows himself that he can't keep blocking out the ideas from up and coming coaches. He knows his time is up.
It might be a Man Utd situation. Handpicking the successor from the inside doesn't guarantee anything.
cody should have nothing to do with his successor as that may tarnish his reputation exactly like Man U and Ferguson.
KK County board need to be strong enough to pick their next man/woman.
https://www.buzz.ie/sport/brian-cody-ego-kilkenny-loughnane-27571437
Brian Cody has the biggest ego and we'll never see his like again
Cody always operates to his own rules, that became clear to me 20 years ago — and this is something I've never made public before
ByGer Loughnane
14:58, 25 JUL 2022
There will be no shortage of tributes made to Brian Cody in the days — and maybe even weeks and months — to come.
A lot of them will repeat the same stuff, stuff that he put out there himself about having no tolerance for egos.
That always made me smile, because few people ever had as big an ego as Cody.
Call it self-belief if you want, but Cody was convinced that he was superior to any others he came across.
Conviction
He'd use that great conviction to dominate others on the sideline, officials and the media.
It's 50 years since I first saw him play, and he was a star on that Kilkenny minor team that won the All-Ireland.
Cody was their captain and he gave a brilliant performance against Cork in the decider.
I was doing teaching training in St Pat's, Drumcondra, at the time and we knew Cody was coming to study too so there was a buzz around.
We ended up living in the same house, and in the same corridor of the house, but I could never say that I know Brian Cody.
I'm not sure many people really do.
He always keeps a distance, always operates to his own rules.
That became clear to me 20 years ago — and this is something I've never made public before.
Clare reached the 2002 All-Ireland final and came up against Kilkenny, going down by seven points.
I went to the Clare function for a while that night and then headed back to the Burlington Hotel, where I was staying.
That turned out to be where Kilkenny were having their victory banquet.
Ruthless
I said to myself 'sure, I'll have a word with Cody'.
We were chatting away and Henry Shefflin came into our company.
Henry was just a young lad at the time. He'd won the man-of-the-match award and was clearly chuffed.
But Cody just turned to him and said 'You hit that shot the only place Fitzgerald could save it, never let me see you do that again'.
Henry's face just dropped. I stuck around for another minute or two and then headed up to my room.
I couldn't make sense of it, how cold Cody was to a player who had performed heroics for him that day.
That coldness and ruthlessness was very much part of his make-up.
A lot of players will feel they owe him a huge debt, but I don't think many — if any — would regard him as a friend.
Tommy Walsh was one of the greatest of Cody's players and I went to his retirement function in Langton's a few years ago.
During the night, different players went up to the stage to say a few words about Tommy.
Cody sat there and eyeballed every one of them as they walked up and down.
Their reaction was incredible.
Some of these were fellas with six, seven or eight All-Irelands and they were clearly still spooked by him.
Aura
His aura had them in his grasp. There were fellas retired a few years and they were afraid to look Cody in the eye.
He got the Kilkenny manager's job in November, 1998, and things were going well for us in Clare at the time.
We'd won two of the previous four All-Irelands and three Munster titles.
We had a bit of stature and, as Clare manager, I was asked for a reaction to Cody's appointment.
I gave the reporters one sentence: "We're all in trouble now''.
Cody had virtually no experience in management at the time, and Kilkenny hadn't won an All-Ireland since 1992, so why was I worried?
The reason was that I knew Cody's personality.
It's the same reason that I said, a few years later, that he'd stick around longer than Seán Boylan.
I have never come across anyone as obsessed by hurling — and Kilkenny hurling, in particular — as Cody.
Cody's belief in the greatness of Kilkenny hurling is almost religious, and has been part of his philosophy all through his life.
Indeed, it is nearly 50 years since he said something to me that has stayed with me ever since.
And it is, I believe, the basis for the motivation which sustained him in the job for so long.
Motivation
We were young students shooting the breeze in St Pat's and I remember him declaring with total conviction: "There are always plenty of good hurlers in Kilkenny."
That is why no Kilkenny hurler — no matter how great or popular — ever loses the run of himself or feels secure in the ownership of the black and amber jersey.
In most other counties, once they become successful, players feel that they own the team, that they are indispensable, and then begin dictating how things should be done.
In 2007, I was manager of Galway and, knowing we would meet Kilkenny some time in the Championship, I hoped we'd get them early as possible as I felt that was the best chance of beating them.
We ended up meeting in the All-Ireland quarter-finals, and Kilkenny had the benefit of a Leinster title in the bag.
That was the year when the two Cannings, Ollie and Joe, didn't play for Galway following a controversial county final between Portumna and Loughrea.
Adding further spice was an innocuous answer I gave in an interview before the game.
When asked what to expect when facing Kilkenny, I mentioned the usual skill, speed, ability in the air and, of course, their physicality — especially the tap across the hand in the tackle.
Cody went ballistic, though I was only giving an honest answer.
The word 'physicality' was the problem because, at that time, physicality=dirt, so it wasn't to be mentioned at all.
Now, physicality is accepted for exactly what it means. Tough exchanges and at a completely different level to dirty play.
That was one of the stamps of his teams.
Different names will be mentioned as possible successors but Derek Lyng looks best placed.
Cody will cast a long shadow, though.
We will never see his like again.
Loughnane talking about ego! ;D
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Loughnane talking about ego! ;D
Loughnane certainly should know in fairness. ;D
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Cody knows himself that he can't keep blocking out the ideas from up and coming coaches. He knows his time is up.
It might be a Man Utd situation. Handpicking the successor from the inside doesn't guarantee anything.
cody should have nothing to do with his successor as that may tarnish his reputation exactly like Man U and Ferguson.
KK County board need to be strong enough to pick their next man/woman.
Cody was unique. The next manager will be closer to the mean.
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Loughnane talking about ego! ;D
True. But still thought it was a good piece
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Loughnane talking about ego! ;D
True. But still thought it was a good piece
A good piece from Loughnane - you must be joking?
Talking about an ego...lol. FFS.
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Loughnane talking about ego! ;D
True. But still thought it was a good piece
Me too
Wonder when Loughnane think of his own actions towards young players when to commented on Cody and his young Shefflin exchange in keeping Shefflin grounded.
I'm sure Shefflin would have preferred what Cody said rather than being pinned to the dressing room floor like Loughnane did to a young Stephen McNamara.
Sheedy and O'Shea fancied to take over at Offaly.
Experienced pairing there.
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Sheedy and O'Shea fancied to take over at Offaly.
Experienced pairing there.
Expensive ticket there you would think
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Sheedy and O'Shea fancied to take over at Offaly.
Experienced pairing there.
Expensive ticket there you would think
Big Shane will look after that payment
Davy Fitz back in Waterford
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Davy Fitz back in Waterford
This is a strange one, Waterford missed the boat last championship, they are contenders to some degree but completely took their eyes off the ball and were caught out in Munster....
I thought they were gearing up for a challenge late in the year but were gone and forgotten about...
Why it's strange is I've no idea what Davy can bring back to this team, how will he improve himself never mind the players?
What does Davy bring to the table other than his 2 all Irelands?
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Davy Fitz back in Waterford
This is a strange one, Waterford missed the boat last championship, they are contenders to some degree but completely took their eyes off the ball and were caught out in Munster....
I thought they were gearing up for a challenge late in the year but were gone and forgotten about...
Why it's strange is I've no idea what Davy can bring back to this team, how will he improve himself never mind the players?
What does Davy bring to the table other than his 2 all Irelands?
Waterford have a real good cohort of players at the right age now - Gleeson, Bennets, De Burca and Barron etc.
I can't figure out what happened this year after going so well early on. Were they over trained or was there a fall out between players and management?
Wheels just came off the wagon big time.
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Davy Fitz back in Waterford
This is a strange one, Waterford missed the boat last championship, they are contenders to some degree but completely took their eyes off the ball and were caught out in Munster....
I thought they were gearing up for a challenge late in the year but were gone and forgotten about...
Why it's strange is I've no idea what Davy can bring back to this team, how will he improve himself never mind the players?
What does Davy bring to the table other than his 2 all Irelands?
Davy has three all irelands, 2 as a player 1 as a manager. He also managed Wexford to their only Leinster title in 25 years not that long ago. Davy brings a huge amount of hurling knowledge and experience. He is not everyones cup of tea because he acts like a headbin on the sideline and long term he tends to burn players out but over a short 2-3 year period he will bring plenty to Waterford who were looking very good in May this year.
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Davy Fitz back in Waterford
This is a strange one, Waterford missed the boat last championship, they are contenders to some degree but completely took their eyes off the ball and were caught out in Munster....
I thought they were gearing up for a challenge late in the year but were gone and forgotten about...
Why it's strange is I've no idea what Davy can bring back to this team, how will he improve himself never mind the players?
What does Davy bring to the table other than his 2 all Irelands?
Davy has three all irelands, 2 as a player 1 as a manager. He also managed Wexford to their only Leinster title in 25 years not that long ago. Davy brings a huge amount of hurling knowledge and experience. He is not everyones cup of tea because he acts like a headbin on the sideline and long term he tends to burn players out but over a short 2-3 year period he will bring plenty to Waterford who were looking very good in May this year.
Thanks Davy!
He's won a host of all Irelands, 2 colleges and a club all Ireland... I said two in reference to something he said to Mullane..
No one is disputing his abilities or records but you said it he's a binlid, that Clare team he managed to win an All Ireland should have won 2 more, they were a great team. But took a replay to beat Cork and I think went out against Wexford next year.
I just don't see how he can improve this team from where they are, all the shouting can get a bit distracting.
Waterford, it was an unlucky year for them and potentially contenders as physicality is good, goal scoring ability and a free taker.. let's see
He has a short lifespan but he may improve Waterford. I think teams get a lot more physical under him as the level of commitment he wants is like Rory Gallagher levels of commitment.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 08:50:18 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 11, 2022, 10:43:52 PM
Davy Fitz back in Waterford
This is a strange one, Waterford missed the boat last championship, they are contenders to some degree but completely took their eyes off the ball and were caught out in Munster....
I thought they were gearing up for a challenge late in the year but were gone and forgotten about...
Why it's strange is I've no idea what Davy can bring back to this team, how will he improve himself never mind the players?
What does Davy bring to the table other than his 2 all Irelands?
His primary focus isn't managing Tipperary.
Waterford have the skill and the experience. Might be the perfect mix. DF knows how to win...
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2022, 10:00:01 AM
He has a short lifespan but he may improve Waterford. I think teams get a lot more physical under him as the level of commitment he wants is like Rory Gallagher levels of commitment.
If you read about the Clare win in 2013 you'll see the fingerprints of Paul Kinnerk all over that team and in the replay for once they attacked a poor Cork defence and got the goals that killed the game.
Davy's conservative approach to the game gets teams so far in terms of staying in the game but if they're chasing the game he's shown little signs of being flexible enough to go at teams, the replay in 2013 is the exception, hence why I bring it up.
I pity the poor forward in Waterford who'll be expected to win ball with three defenders around them like McDonald of Wexford and poor Maurice Shanahan during his first stint in Waterford.
Waterford have one of the strongest panels about, had a terrible Munster championship for whatever reason, it's probably the strongest panel Davy has ever managed, so we'll see how he brings them to the next level..
Munster is hyper competitive with 5 teams fighting for 3 slots. Margins are thin.
I just remember Tipp collapsing in 2018 and winning the All Ireland the following year.
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Munster is hyper competitive with 5 teams fighting for 3 slots. Margins are thin.
I just remember Tipp collapsing in 2018 and winning the All Ireland the following year.
And that may still happen, just think unless he's changed styles I cant see how he'll improve a decent team like Waterford
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 09:52:51 AM
He's won a host of all Irelands, 2 colleges and a club all Ireland... I said two in reference to something he said to Mullane..
No one is disputing his abilities or records but you said it he's a binlid, that Clare team he managed to win an All Ireland should have won 2 more, they were a great team. But took a replay to beat Cork and I think went out against Wexford next year.
I just don't see how he can improve this team from where they are, all the shouting can get a bit distracting.
Waterford, it was an unlucky year for them and potentially contenders as physicality is good, goal scoring ability and a free taker.. let's see
A lot of the Davy Show is to distract attention from the players I think, for one reason or another.
A lot, in the part to, poor performances on the pitch, he create or say something to distract from on-field goings on.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 12, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2022, 10:00:01 AM
He has a short lifespan but he may improve Waterford. I think teams get a lot more physical under him as the level of commitment he wants is like Rory Gallagher levels of commitment.
If you read about the Clare win in 2013 you'll see the fingerprints of Paul Kinnerk all over that team and in the replay for once they attacked a poor Cork defence and got the goals that killed the game.
Davy's conservative approach to the game gets teams so far in terms of staying in the game but if they're chasing the game he's shown little signs of being flexible enough to go at teams, the replay in 2013 is the exception, hence why I bring it up.
I pity the poor forward in Waterford who'll be expected to win ball with three defenders around them like McDonald of Wexford and poor Maurice Shanahan during his first stint in Waterford.
Waterford have one of the strongest panels about, had a terrible Munster championship for whatever reason, it's probably the strongest panel Davy has ever managed, so we'll see how he brings them to the next level..
I'd say Davy's biggest disappointment was in 2019 in the semi-final V Tipp and they were 4 or 5 pts up with less than 20 mins left. Mc Grath of Tipp was sent off and Wexford through away a fantastic chance to win an All-Ireland, never mind getting to a final.
That was a major black mark on his CV.
Wexford will never have a better chance.
Quote from: marty34 on August 12, 2022, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 12, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2022, 10:00:01 AM
He has a short lifespan but he may improve Waterford. I think teams get a lot more physical under him as the level of commitment he wants is like Rory Gallagher levels of commitment.
If you read about the Clare win in 2013 you'll see the fingerprints of Paul Kinnerk all over that team and in the replay for once they attacked a poor Cork defence and got the goals that killed the game.
Davy's conservative approach to the game gets teams so far in terms of staying in the game but if they're chasing the game he's shown little signs of being flexible enough to go at teams, the replay in 2013 is the exception, hence why I bring it up.
I pity the poor forward in Waterford who'll be expected to win ball with three defenders around them like McDonald of Wexford and poor Maurice Shanahan during his first stint in Waterford.
Waterford have one of the strongest panels about, had a terrible Munster championship for whatever reason, it's probably the strongest panel Davy has ever managed, so we'll see how he brings them to the next level..
I'd say Davy's biggest disappointment was in 2019 in the semi-final V Tipp and they were 4 or 5 pts up with less than 20 mins left. Mc Grath of Tipp was sent off and Wexford through away a fantastic chance to win an All-Ireland, never mind getting to a final.
That was a major black mark on his CV.
Wexford will never have a better chance.
Yip, but they retreated into a very defensive mode and allowed Tipp to pick them off rather than keep the pressure on up the field..
That's Davy.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 12, 2022, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 12, 2022, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 12, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2022, 10:00:01 AM
He has a short lifespan but he may improve Waterford. I think teams get a lot more physical under him as the level of commitment he wants is like Rory Gallagher levels of commitment.
If you read about the Clare win in 2013 you'll see the fingerprints of Paul Kinnerk all over that team and in the replay for once they attacked a poor Cork defence and got the goals that killed the game.
Davy's conservative approach to the game gets teams so far in terms of staying in the game but if they're chasing the game he's shown little signs of being flexible enough to go at teams, the replay in 2013 is the exception, hence why I bring it up.
I pity the poor forward in Waterford who'll be expected to win ball with three defenders around them like McDonald of Wexford and poor Maurice Shanahan during his first stint in Waterford.
Waterford have one of the strongest panels about, had a terrible Munster championship for whatever reason, it's probably the strongest panel Davy has ever managed, so we'll see how he brings them to the next level..
I'd say Davy's biggest disappointment was in 2019 in the semi-final V Tipp and they were 4 or 5 pts up with less than 20 mins left. Mc Grath of Tipp was sent off and Wexford through away a fantastic chance to win an All-Ireland, never mind getting to a final.
That was a major black mark on his CV.
Wexford will never have a better chance.
Yip, but they retreated into a very defensive mode and allowed Tipp to pick them off rather than keep the pressure on up the field..
That's Davy.
Yeah, if they had to have kept playing the way they were playing, they'd have been in an All-Ireland Final for sure.
A lot of Wexford people unhappy the 'tactics' used in the last 20 mins of that game, 4 or 5 pts up and more importantly, a man up.
Bad decisions on the line or by the players on the pitch. Be interesting to see what was instructions were issued at that time and by whom?
I see Davy's side-kick is now appointed as Meath's manager.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0907/1321207-limerick-lead-way-as-lakeman-doyle-earns-all-star-nod/
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0730/1313120-plunkett-inter-county-prep-now-at-a-different-level/
Everybody stays involved in the hurling - we're all addicted to the game. I'll be assuming there'll be a Junior C club somewhere looking for a hurling fruitcake to do a bit of work with them or something like that."
Cheddar Plunkett
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/antrim/antrim-dominate-joe-mcdonagh-cup-team-of-the-year-selections-after-superb-season-for-county-hurlers-42079073.html
Joe McDonagh Team of the Year: Ryan Elliot (Antrim); Joe Maskey (Antrim), Gerard Walsh (Antrim), Eoin Ross (Kerry); Fionan Mackessy (Kerry), Eoghan Campbell (Antrim), Mikey Boyle (Kerry); Keelan Molloy (Antrim), David Nally (Offaly); Martin Kavanagh (Carlow), Chris Nolan (Carlow), Daithí Sands (Down); Conal Cunning (Antrim), Pádraig Boyle (Kerry), Ciarán Clarke (Antrim).
Tipp club final on TG4 yesterday was a good watch.
Both teams trading the lead in the last 10 minutes, Niall O'Meara with some great scores for Kilruane but their No10 or 12 who was back sweeping slipping and sliding about coughed up a soft goal for Kildangan.
Time to get the aluminium studs in there instead of the slippers.
Replay next Sunday, but alas probably won't be on TG4..
Clonoulty didn't make it to the final. Dillon Quirke, their county star, died during a match in the summer.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2022/1025/1331337-davy-fitzgerald/
1 Nickie Quaid (Limerick); 2 Mikey Butler (Kilkenny), 3 Huw Lawlor (Kilkenny), 4 Barry Nash (Limerick); 5 Diarmaid Byrnes (Limerick), 6 Declan Hannon (Limerick), 7 Padraic Mannion (Galway); 8 David Fitzgerald (Clare), 9 Adrian Mullen (Kilkenny); 10 Gearoid Hegarty (Limerick), 11 Kyle Hayes (Limerick), 12 Shane O'Donnell (Clare); 13 Aaron Gillane (Limerick), 14 TJ Reid (Kilkenny), 15 Tony Kelly (Clare)
Limerick 7, Kilkenny 4, Clare 3 and Galway 1. Kilkenny who walloped Clare only got one more all star. Clare who drew with Limerick 3 times over 70 minutes in competitive games got 3 to Limericks 7.
Not sure Clare deserved three. Corner back tough - Finn one of the best ever. Almost suffered because his reputation precedes him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 29, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
Not sure Clare deserved three. Corner back tough - Finn one of the best ever. Almost suffered because his reputation precedes him.
I don't think it was a great year for hurling. Limerick are way out in front. All Ireland finalist doesn't really mean much.
A bit like 07 when Limerick were the bridesmaids.
All stars are basically given to provincial winners and all Ireland finalists. Kilkenny are not the finished article. So they aren't going to get 6
What would Jesus do ?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1030/1332341-kilruane-macdonaghs-pay-fitting-tribute-to-fallen-star/
Quote from: seafoid on October 30, 2022, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 29, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
Not sure Clare deserved three. Corner back tough - Finn one of the best ever. Almost suffered because his reputation precedes him.
I don't think it was a great year for hurling. Limerick are way out in front. All Ireland finalist doesn't really mean much.
A bit like 07 when Limerick were the bridesmaids.
All stars are basically given to provincial winners and all Ireland finalists. Kilkenny are not the finished article. So they aren't going to get 6
What would Jesus do ?
Are they that far ahead? Did Clare not take them to the wire a couple of times? I know the final was close with Kilkenny as well but remains to be seen where they go post Cody.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2022, 09:03:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 30, 2022, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 29, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
Not sure Clare deserved three. Corner back tough - Finn one of the best ever. Almost suffered because his reputation precedes him.
I don't think it was a great year for hurling. Limerick are way out in front. All Ireland finalist doesn't really mean much.
A bit like 07 when Limerick were the bridesmaids.
All stars are basically given to provincial winners and all Ireland finalists. Kilkenny are not the finished article. So they aren't going to get 6
What would Jesus do ?
Are they that far ahead? Did Clare not take them to the wire a couple of times? I know the final was close with Kilkenny as well but remains to be seen where they go post Cody.
Every team has injuries, but Limerick were without Hurler of the Year, Cian Lynch for most of it and he wasn't near right the once he did come in.
It will be interesting how they go in 2023, still a very young panel though and will TJ Reid still keep Kilkenny in the hunt under new management?
Waterford will be expecting a reaction, same with Cork and indeed Galway and Wexford who were all below par in 2022.
They are that far ahead unfortunately. Lynch was missing all year and Peter Casey for a lot of it who's a big threat for them.
Reid kept KK in it and when Limerick were pushed they always stepped it up against Clare, Galway or KK. I think they'll not be beat for a while.
Very emotional read
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/death-of-a-sportsman-i-know-my-son-is-gone-but-i-feel-him-more-with-me-now-than-ever-42227557.html (https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/death-of-a-sportsman-i-know-my-son-is-gone-but-i-feel-him-more-with-me-now-than-ever-42227557.html)
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Well done Dunloy. Great for Antrim and Ulster hurling.
Heartbreaking
Quote from: Tatler Jack on December 18, 2022, 02:59:34 PM
Well done Dunloy. Great for Antrim and Ulster hurling.
A fabulous result. They have already lost 4 finals so now is a good season to win one.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1223/1343536-limerick-hurlings-greatest-era-i-knew-it-was-coming/